it was his way of speaking truth to power in a way. he used humor to do it, but he did really do that. there's a social critique in dprouc gloucho that is worth checking out. >> sometimes it's through comedy that you can have that populist angle. not everything has to be a buzz kill. i appreciate as always you bringing us these ideas and your references. that's chai komanduri there on "the beat." thank you, sir. >> if you have a favorite groucho moment or movie, tell me what it is. you can tell me at ari melber online, what has groucho said, done, or a project you think applies today. i love to talk with you. you can also connect with me at arimelber.com. another great way to connect. boy, did we have a lot of news. thanks for hanging with us. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. tonight on "the reidout" --

>> i think what joy reid did frankly is the issue that happens to black conservatives all the time. where somehow we're less black than black democrats. first of all, i'll tell you and i'll tell joy reid and anyone else who wants to hear it, i grew up in brooklyn, new york, in the inner city, in a single parent household. i am a black man. i'm also a republican. >> the republican congressman you just heard, byron donalds of florida, who got a bunch of votes for speaker, joins me in studio tonight. meanwhile, kevin mccarthy and his far right overlords are off and running with an extreme agenda. and normalizing people like marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar. while punishing lawmakers like adam schiff, ilhan omar, and eric swalwell, who joins me in just a moment. >> plus, my pal and colleague, chris hayes, is going to help me make a big announcement tonight. you do not want to miss it. we begin with the extreme republican agenda taking shape

in the u.s. house of representatives. after a messy theatrical display involving kevin mccarthy begging his far right kidnappers for the gavel. the party he purports to lead has adopted a sweeping rules package. the resolution governors how the house will operate for the next two years and includes key concessions mccarthy made to republican holdouts including the ability for any single member to call a vote to oust him. another one passed today was the creation of the, quote, select committee on the weaponization of the federal government. a panel to probe biden administration investigations. that's right. we are now investigating the investigations. including ongoing criminal investigations at the justice department, involving donald trump. but the first order of business was not inflation or gas prices or the southern border. no, instead, it was defunding the irs. specifically for 87,000 new

employees who republicans are calling agents intent on going after families and small businesses. it's a came "the washington post" has debunked with four pinocchios. there you have it. a false viral claim enshrined by republicans in a proposed law which sounds about right. and then you have the committees. mccarthy vowing to remove congresswoman ilhan omar from the foreign affairs committee, as well as congressman eric swalwell and adam schiff from the house intelligence committee. it's a threat of retaliation against democrats for their votes to remove marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar from their committee assignments in the previous 117th congress. let's not forget who gosar is. a white supremacist conference speaker and alleged coup organizer whose own siblings call him a racist. not to mention what he did to get booted off the committee, which was tweeting an anime video that depicted him killing congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. mccarthy may have the precious,

but he's given up a lot of power, passing it over to such extremists, paving the way for these members become the standard for the republican party. they are no longer fringe. remember, there was a time not too long ago when another far right movement emerged in opposition of president obama's economic stimulus bill and obamacare. opposition of those reforms being code for fear of a black president. that of course was the tea party. not so fringe anymore. but instead, the new base line in the house and senate republican caucuses. we're seeing it again today. the house freedom caucus very much aligned with the tea party, even more toxic and becoming a legitimized and influential sect of the republican party. former youtube troll and qanon believer marjorie taylor greene hugging the house speaker after his humiliating barely there victory. the georgia congresswoman of jewish space laser beam fame who mitch mcconnell called a cancer on the republican party is now a key ally of the house speaker. this is frightening stuff and

weird. and not just because of marjorie's cringy promotional videos that piss off dr. dre. this group and its motivations are a troubling development for the people of the house republicans try to govern. operative word, try, because their way of governing amounts to magical thinking. promising they can do things like get rid of the irs and stop the fbi from investigating donald trump. things that are not going to happen. to be clear, hunter biden's laptop is not going to drown out the mar-a-lago classified documents investigation. and joe biden is not going to be driven out of office in leg irons by impeachment for failing to somehow seal the southern border to be prevent the great replacement. but what happens when these things don't happen? when these promises inevitably are not kept? given the declining atmosphere of the political right in this era. last week was just a prelude to what will be a spectacle of incompetence and chaos in the u.s. house of representatives. but it does come with a warning.

about the rage the republican base is capable of when they don't get their way and of the violence, and as we saw on january 6th, potential insurrection. joining me now is congressman eric swalwell of california. i do want to start on that point because every politician, you're a politician, when you run, you say i'm going to try to do these things. then you get into the house of representatives and sometimes you even do these things like the 300-some odd bills passed under speaker pelosi that then have to go to the senate, wherein, because you had two democrats who didn't want to go along, a lot of them, voting rights, police reform, the parts of build back better for women and young children, those things died. it wasn't because you didn't do them. it's because they couldn't get passed. but those are policy things. the things that this fringe is promising that they can do, impeach biden, impeach mayorkas, remove them, seal the southern border, end the great replacement, these are magical thinking. they're not real.

and what happens, you sat on intel, maybe not for long, what happens when they don't do them? >> they're spinning up their supporters to believe they can do something they can't. when their supporters realize they can't, they're probably going to resort to what they did on january 6th, which is violently try to enact their will. they spun up their supporters. josh hawley putting his fist in the air to believe they could overturn the results and the supporters believed they could. that's why they went to the capitol. they believed donald trump was going to go to the capitol with him. ashley hinson from iowa tweeted today, we just defunded 87,000 irs agents. that's what she tweeted. maybe she's never seen how a bill becomes a law. but she tweeted that, and so now, when her constituents find out that didn't happen, what do they do? that's a dangerous environment they're creating. >> lauren boebert appeared on stephanie ruhles show and she said in the interview, the good thing about this delay in

getting speaker mccarthy or getting a speaker is that the government is now not spending any money because we're not there. wait a minute, those spending bills were passed in the previous congress. congress doesn't instantly stop spending money when you're not there. the thing is that when democrats -- when the democratic base is disappointed, there's a risk they'll stay home. when the republican base is disapointed, just because of the way the base has sort of been trained by the tea party and others to say, the reason we're not getting the things we want, the reason government is not defunded and drowning in a bathtub is because, not because it's impossible but because we don't have strong enough conservatives. they keep going for stronger and stronger conservatives. now we're at insurrectionists. let me show you the committee chairs on the other side. the republican set of committee chairs. it does reflect what the republican party base is like. it's a lot of white men. three women, i do believe. here's the democratic house ranking members that we know of that are in place right now.

much more diverse. >> looks like america. >> it looks like america. there are four african americans, an asian american, a latina. more diverse. and here's what the republican -- and this reflects the base. this is what that demographic wants. house chair mike rogers of homeland security says he's going to investigate woke social advocacy at the department of defense. representative jody arrington of texas says they're going to restructure entitlement, cutting social security and food stamps. michael mccaul, investigate the withdrawal from afghanistan. that seems legitimate, why not. homeland security, mark green is going to call for mayorkas to resign from -- and says the committee is going to hold him accountable. they're going to go after fauci, you have something about the weaponization of the federal government. that's jim jordan, who might actually be a subject of investigation by the dojerk. >> those pictures if you put them up, you could put the law

firm of insurrection llc. >> is the plan here, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. is the goal here to prevent accountability for some of the crimes that may have been committed in the insurrection? is that the bottom line? >> that's what the house just voted on today. to create what they call the weaponization of government committee. it's the committee to obstruct justice. it's made up of people who want to be on the committee who had their phones seized by the fbi, who have been called to testify to the grand jury, who have been subpoenaed and refused to honor their subpoena by the january 6th committee. this committee, if it's allowed to form and actually go after ongoing investigations, would be like letting al capone investigate elliot nes. that's what they want to do. by the way, what happened on january 6th 2023 in contrast to 2021, the insurrectionists lost in 2021 because of the valor of the police. in 2023, they didn'tcapitol, bu the republican party. who lost that night are the 18

republicans who sincerely, genuinely went to their constituents and said i'm going to go to washington to make it better. their political death certificates were signed because they're going to have to vote to defund the troops. they'll allow them to defund the troops, will allow a fraud wanted in brazil in george santos to go on a committee. it will allow marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar to go back on committees. that's the corrupt bargain that was struck and the losers are those 18 republicans. >> let me ask you this. you mentioned santos. daniel goldman, newly elected, friend of this network, ritchie torres, they delivered an ethic complaint to george santos. he might actually be being investigated by the feds and by the government of brazil, but is there an ethics committee that can investigate him anymore? >> it has to be bipartisan. i was heartened to at least see one of santos' neighbors, a republican, say he supports this investigation. does he allow the ethics committee to investigate this? again, we are lurching now into

this insurrectionist sympathetic to insurrectionists era, and by the way, as all of this is happening, kevin mccarthy, another speaker from california, has not said a word in the last week or used his power to address the floods that are happening up and down california, 14 people dead, millions displaced, thousands without power. no moment of silence on the house floor. no social media posts about what constituents can do to seek resources. it's all about kevin. >> i have to ask you two questions really quick. number one, did any republicans talk to you about why they didn't participate in that homage to the capitol police officers who saved their lives on january 6th? >> no, but the talk among democrats was that for many of them, the vigil they wanted to go to was at the d.c. jail because that's who they have sympathized with when they voted against gold medals for the police officers. >> that's still so unbelievable to me. last question, you're kicked off

your committees. number one, is there any power for the minority leader to do anything about that? and what is the plan for those of you who are being drummed off your committees? >> trying to kick schiff and i off intel and mr. omar off foreign affairs. we're going to oppose it and leader jefferies is going to bring it up, but they're going to try to kick us off our committees and put santos, gosar, and marjorie taylor greene on their committees, where we have up and down done nothing wrong, they have advocated for violence, and i don't think that's what the voters want when they have promised to come to washington and fix things. >> i'm not sure it's the right image that the republican party, those who are still out there who want to be norm core republicans, not sure that's the image they want. congressman eric swalwell, thank you. maybe you'll have more time to come on my show. >> up next on "the reidout," he was recently nominated for speaker of the house, republican

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one of the unexpected features of the four-day, 15-ballot fight over the house speaker's gavel was when texas congressman chip roy nominated congressman byron donalds for speaker. donalds got the votes of all 20

holdouts on three of the 15 ballots and his nomination sparked a lot of conversation. to say it least. joining me now is congressman byron donalds. welcome to the show. thanks for coming down. i want to start by talking about, in the previous segment with congressman swalwell, we were talking about the changes that are happening in the house under this new leadership. three people including congressman swalwell, ilhan omar, and adam schiff have being taken off their committees. those who are being added, congressman santos is the one who made up his whole resume, allegedly in new york, paul gosar, whose family have said he's a white supremacist, he attended sort of meetings of white supremacy and got kicked off his committees because he tweeted out an an ame depicting him killing aoc, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. and marjorie green. they're getting back on committees. i wonder what you think of that? do you think that's a good look for the republican party?

>> no, i think going back on committees is what should happen. look, what we told democrat leadership when they went down this pathway of removing members from committee is basically saying, you should not do that because if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. let's be clear, ilhan omar has said things that are reprehensible. let me finish. she's said terrible things about the jewish community, so much so that resolutions had to go to the house floor about them, and they were watered down. with respect to eric swalwell and to the other gentleman, that's something for speaker mccarthy to speak to in more detail because he's going to make those decisions. but we were very clear in 117th congress. we should not be going down this pathway of saying oh, that member said this, they got to be kicked off committees. >> that's happening. >> no, no. what we're doing is, you did it, so now this is what happens. this is the response. let's get back to what the status quo of you pick your committee people, we'll pick ours and we'll go from there. >> that isn't -- you're not

getting back to that sfats quo, if you're kicking people off committees and saying it's literally for vengeance, you're admitting it's just for revenge, it sounds like using committee leadership for vengeance. that's what you said. >> if you want to change the rules, we'll live by your rules. if you want to change the rules, that the house of representatives has lived under, since the beginning of the republic, and now you're going to change them because you didn't like what somebody said. >> that's not a change in the rules. that's happened before. people have been removed from committees. >> i will say, though, people being on and off committees has nothing to do with the work of the 118th congress. we're going to get to border security, we're going to get to energy policy. we have to go through the debt ceiling and figure out a way to curtail spending because we're living well beyond our means. that's the work of the republican conference in the next congress. this other stuff is kind of a side show. >> not a side show because unfortunately it's kind tof the show. let's talk about some of the things republicans said they would like to do when they're

talking about the agenda of the republican party. and this is what the chairs of the committees are saying they're going to do. representative mike rogers of alabama says they're going to investigate woke social advocacy at the department of defense. you have got jody arrington of texas saying they're going to restructure entitlement programs, that means they would like to in some cases cut, slash social programs, social security, things that a lot of americans depend on and paid into. michael mccaul of texas, investigate the withdrawal from afghanistan. i think that seems fair. calling on mayorkas to resign. that is what mark green of the homeland security said is his priority. calling on secretary mayorkas to resign. you have jim jordan who is leading judiciary, leading a subcommittee to probe the, quote, weaponization of the federal government. you have also got those who want to investigate president biden. but this one about weaponization

of the federal government, that is about the fbi having a court sanctioned raid on the former president, donald trump's home, because he had lots and lots of classified documents. hundreds of classified documents that he was not entitled to, and when he was asked to return them, he didn't. and also, it seems possible that it might be about going after the justice department for investigating the insurrection that jim jordan supported. >> a couple things. first and foremost, let's speak to the weaponization committee of the federal government. we see what's happening at twitter. twitter now is releasing documentation, ream after ream after ream, that elements of our government was actually in contact with twitter about delisting comments, taking people off twitter, off twitter overall. if that is not the federal government suppressing free speech in the united states, which is the first amendment of the united states constitution, congress has a responsibility to investigate that. number two, i'm going to jump around to a couple members you

discussed. mike rogers on armed services. one of the reasons we have to get into some woke policies at the department of defense is because recruitment is down at the department of defense. if our military is not prepared to deal with battles in the future, because recruitment is down, shouldn't we go and investigate all of the things -- >> hold on a second. hold on. what are woke policies at the department of defense? >> here's what i'm telling you. if there are issues at the department of defense that are decreasing recruitment because the numbers are crystal clear at this point, and we have many members of our military who have complained about some of the programs going on at dod, we have a responsibility to get to the bottom of that. my friend jody arrington wants to look into the budget and also look into entitlements. do you know social security is going to be insolve nlt in 2035. >> that's not true. it's actually not true. >> joy, i'm a finance professional. i do more than just congress. i worked in the financial community. i'm telling you. social security will go insolvent. >> that's gnaw true.

that's not true. what the republican party and what the tea party have proposed is privatizing social security. which would actually subject social security to the whims of the market, which i don't think people -- that's not what they paid into. that's gnaw not true. >> town 6, the return of the s&p 500 since 2006 -- >> you support privatizing social security? >> i'm a financial proechbs. i'm not allowed to trade anymore because i'm a member of congress, but if you look at the s&p 500, from 2006 until today, the growth rate in the s&p 500 would have more than taken care of social security. way more than the federal government has. >> and each time that you had a crash, it would subject people's social security funds to a crash. hold on a second. we're not going to have a whole thing on social security. let me be clear. you're in favor of privatizing social security? >> no. >> you just argued for it. >> i brought you the facts. >> so if a bill came forward to

privatize social security, you would be for it? >> what we should be doing -- >> it's a moot point. >> it's not a moot point. you're trying to put words in my mouth. >> you just explained that the s&p 500 would be a better return than social security. so then you're for privatizing it. >> that's a fact. don't cheapen privatization when the data is crystal clear that the returns would have been better. >> you're for it. >> that means it would have been a better situation. >> let's go into some of the other things. you're nominated for speaker. you have been in congress one term. >> yes. >> what were your qualifications to be speaker of the house? >> i think my colleagues recognize my leadership and have seen it in leaps and bounds. >> can you give specifics. >> i have served at the state level. >> what are your qualifications to be speaker? >> i understand budgets, i understand what the long term ramifications -- >> what is the job of the speaker. we have to have a conversation. what is the -- >> you're cutting me off. >> what is the job of speaker? can you explain what the job of speaker is because it doesn't have to do every single member of congress has served.

what is the job? >> the job of the speaker of the house, number one, is to make sure that the congress is operating on time. it largely sets the agenda for the conference. for the entire house of representatives. it engages in negotiations with the nat and white house on major issues, key issues. the speaker of the house has security clearances most members don't have. number three in line to the presidency and there's much more. and the speaker of the house is also responsible for security. >> and fund-raising. >> of course. >> you have been there one term. and you're saying that you would be prepared after one term to do the job that speaker pelosi and others who were in leadership, you ran for leadership, and you lost that leadership race to the congresswoman who ended up being in leadership. you were not elected to leadership, but you believe though you have never served in leadership ever and have only served one term, you believeio were qualified because you got into it back and forth with a fellow congresswoman who was critical of the nomination because it definitely looked

like they were looking for a response to hakeem jeffries in you. >> no. that was not it. >> you have literally been there for one term. you do not -- you have never been in leadership. >> i'm answering. >> the reason i'm asking it, i'm going to ask this question. one of the things that, i don't know that you said it, but members have said they wanted to highlight the diversity of the conference. there are four african american members in the house caucus. the republican caucus. there are 56 members in the democratic caucus. so just it's more diverse. there are more african american members just that are house committee ranking members at the same number that are actually members of the entire republican house caucus. so do you not believe that the idea was to make a diversity statement by nominating you? >> first, that was not the idea. because i was in the room when the decision was made by people who chose to nominate me. >> you still not have explained how -- you have never been in

leadership. >> are you going to let me answer? number two, let's go back. the reality is that a lot of members actually do believe in my ability to lead. they do. am i to be despised for my youth because i served one term. i have the ability to engage other members. we were at an impasse in our speakership elections. we got that done. at the same time, i was working with members on both sides of our conference to make sure that we can get the job done, and we did. that's the only thing that matters. >> last question, we're out of time. i'm going to go through a few of your voting record items because you made some statements about me, what i have said, and saying i have tried to accuse you of being less black than other folks which i think is unfair, but that's fine. you voted to reject the arizona and pennsylvania electors on january 6th. donald trump himself has implied that the reason that pennsylvania was illegitimate is because of philadelphia. that's a statement about african american voters. >> that's not a statement. >> you don't believe donald

trump's rhetoric led to the storming of the capitol, even though we just had the january 6th that said it did. you said that in -- okay, you questioned the election itself. you voted against impeachment. you voted against creating an independent commission for the january 6th account. on voting laws, you voted -- you defend voting laws that said getting rid of ballot harvesting is a good thing, so you defended the florida voting laws. >> they have the best election laws in the country. florida laws are the best election laws in the country. we do it the best. >> all right, and you have defended and actually have cosponsored two pieces of legislation opposing critical race theory. what is critical race theory in your view? >> critical race theory comes from critical theory. and essentially what it does at the graduate level, it talks about the implications of racial policies in the past, their impact on society today. hold on, the issue with critical race theory if you distill it

down to k-12 education is you do not have the ability to have a detailed conversation of critical race theory at the graduate level. here's my question. if it seeps down to k-12 education, it's stuff students shouldn't be prepared to deal with. >> you don't believe students should learn about the racial history of the country. critical race theory is not taught in k-12 in schools. you'll have to come back and continue to conversation. critical race theory is not taught in schools and learning about racial -- >> i'm going to give you the last word, but we can do this again. >> thank you very much. we'll be back after this. my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ray's a1c is down with rybelsus®.

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. they immediately called the archives, immediately called the archives, turned them over to the archives, and i was briefed about this discovery and surprised to learn that there were any government records that were taken there to that office. but i don't know what's in the documents. my lawyers have not suggested that i ask what documents they were. we're cooperating fully. cooperating fully with the review which i hope will be finished soon. >> just in the last hour, president biden made his first comments about the department of justice review of a small number of classified documents found in his former private office at a washington, d.c. think tank that appear to be from his time in the obama administration.

now, while that's entirely proper for the doj to do its review f you listen to republicans or conservative media, they want you to believe it's on par with donald trump carting off boxes of classified documents for mar-a-lago and refusing for months to give them back. >> well, my reaction is how ironic, i know joe biden was quick to criticize president trump for mistakenly taking some documents that were apparently classified. >> they were eager to raid donald trump. now are they going to raid all of the president's houses to get it. >> classified documents. >> where is the raid? >> where is the raid? >> we need to have a serious investigation into this. i'll echo again, impeach biden. that's what we need to do. >> of course, to use a sesame street things, one of these things is not like the other. biden's team handed over the documents as soon as they discovered them. they didn't string along the national archives and the doj for over a year and half and lie about handing everything over. why the right is engaged in

their performance art, there doj is focused on the strong case they appear to be building against trump and they are reportedly ramping up their efforts. the doj has been showing a more aggressive posture in seeking judicial intervention, as it prepares to question the people who found even more classified documents at one of trump's properties at the end of last year. so when it comes to actual legal jeopardy, ignore the theater and take a look at what's happening inside the justice department and in the other trump legal cases. joining me now is the reporter of that guardian story, hugo lowell, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, professor at the university of michigan law school, and msnbc legal analyst. hugo, i'm going to start with you, to get your reporting on what more, what further documents were found? >> yeah, this was back in december of last year. the justice department had wanted trump's team to go back and see if there were any more outstanding documents remaining because they suspected there were. low and behold, they found two more classified documents which

trump returned back to the government. but it speaks to a pattern of obstructive behavior, that's what the justice department thinks with respect to trump. what has been happening behind closed doors over at the d.c. courthouse is at every turn now, the justice department is bringing all these cases to the chief judge and saying, look, we need judicial intervention at every turn because we don't trust trump's lawyers anymore. we now for a second time have had more classified documents emerge. we need to know the names and identities of the people who did the second search so we can question them. >> barbara, just explain for those who are, you know, tempted to listen to what the right has been trying to do to make this equivalence between the biden, i think themselves, discovered these documents and turned them over to the national archives and started -- triggered that inquiry. and what's going on with trump. >> yeah, so first, of course, joy, the facts matter. the justice department is doing the appropriate thing by assigning this case to a u.s.

attorney appointed by trump, by the way, to investigate the facts and get to the bottom of everything. that's important. but based on the facts we know so far, to compare these two things is to compare an accidental fender bender with deliberately driving your car into a crowd. these are apples and oranges. in the case of donald trump, we have seen resistance at every step to turning these documents over. when prosecutors make a decision about charging of the mishandling of classified documents, typically they will charge only when there is the presence of an aggravating factor. jim comey explained his when the fbi recommended no charges against hillary clinton before the 2016 election. those aggravating factors are willfulness, obstruction of justice, disloyalty to the united states. now, there's no evidence that donald trump showing disloyalty to the united states for these documents. but willfulness is present, obstruction of justice appears to be present. those things are completely

lacking in the case of joe biden. based on what we know, it appears documents were perhaps negligently, we don't know what level of intent, found in that office. until we know more, it's irresponsible to compare the two. >> hugo, this is as the trump team trump is facing a lot incoming. we have a special grand jury in georgia, that trump inquiry has concluded its investigation. there's a hearing going to be held on january 24th to determine whether that will be made public, and what the grand jury is going to recommend. and of course, there's also the court weighing immunity for donald trump in a defamation case over the rape claim that e. jean carroll made. inside of trump world, are each of these things weighing equally on them? because they all seem to be genuine legal jeopardy? >> no, and i think it's a fact of the case that there are so many things happening that they can't devote equal amounts of time to everything, and it's a reflection of the fact trump's lawyers know the really serious

cases. the thing they're spending the most amount of time on is the mar-a-lago documents case. a person close to the legal team described it 80% of our time is focused on the documents case, 20% on the january 6th case, and 10% is spread everywhere else. >> the e. jean carroll case is a civil case, barbara, but is that sort of the right way to look at it, the most jeopardy donald trump faces is on the mar-a-lago documents because of the obstruction and just for possessing the documents at all? >> yeah, i think the mar-a-lago case is the most urgent case. only because i think that's the one that prosecutors could charge pretty quickly, i think. the january 6th case still strikes me as one where they need to button down a lot of other things. and it seems that if charges can be filed, they can be filed sooner in the mar-a-lago case. and the espionage act brings with it lengthy prison terms. but over the horizon, i think the january 6th case still looms

larger. it may be longer in coming, but if it does come, i think that one is one that threatens not only to expose donald trump to criminal prosecution, but even to bar him from holding office again under the 14th amendment. >> that is the one he should be paying attention to, that sounds like. hugo and barbara, thank you both very much. we'll be right back. like she goes to work at three in the afternoon and sometimes gets off at midnight. she works a lot, a whole lot. we don't get to eat in the early morning. we just wait till we get to the school. so, yeah. right now here in america, millions of kids like victoria and andre live with hunger, and the need to help them has never been greater. when you join your friends, neighbors and me to support no kid hungry, you'll help hungry kids get the food they need. if we want to take care of our children, then we have to feed them.

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they call it the sunshine state. famous are being home to disney

world, the everglades, and low taxes. more recently, the state of florida has become known for something else, being a hot bed of political extremism. we saw donald trump high tail it to florida after being forced to leave the white house, as well as roger stone after his jail sentence was commuted. former leader of the proud boys enrique tarrio is miami based. not to mention ron desantis, banning books while passing laws to prevent schools from teaching about the history of racism and the existence of gay people. he even appointed a member to the broward school board who said they welcome support from the proud boys. and now, florida is also a temporary safe haven for the authoritarian former president of brazil, jair bolsonaro who was seen this week going to publix supermarket, eating at a kfc, even taking selfies with fans. while days later his supporters took part in a january 6th style insurrection. one expert argues that what we saw sunday in brazil proves that florida is more than just a home

base for extremism in america. but rather for a global fascist movement. joining me now is that expert, william horn, cofounder and editor of the activist history review, and postdoctoral fellow at villanova university. professor horn, thank you for being here. i saw your tweet thread, sent it to my team and was like, book that guy. what you're saying is something, and actually, the person who sent it to me is from florida and was warning for a long time to me that florida really is becoming this kind of hotbed of fascism. how and why? >> yeah, that's a great question. and it's worth noting, you know, florida has 53 hate groups, different chapters of hate groups like different organizations according to the splc. so this is a major problem in florida. but is, as you noted, also a problem in florida politics. so it's no accident, of course, that ron desantis and the aftermath of the 2020 uprisings, the black lives matter

uprisings, passed laws against protesters making it legal for people to run over protesters with their cars. he passed voter suppression laws. this is a fairly dangerous and far right governor. but also one with presidential ambitions. so when we're looking at florida, one of the things we need to keep in mind and i think this comes through quite clearly in the brazil example as well, is that this isn't stuff that's localized to florida. we can't just sort of all roll our eyes and say, oh, florida, and forget about it. this is a problem that impacts all of us in various ways. >> and just to go through some of it, of those hate groups, white supremacists, right wing extremist groups, it's home to the ku klux klan, the to the ku, vin lender social club, storm front, welteroth, patriot front, liberty counsel, lead of the south, and proud boys. the proud boys have seven different chapters, just in florida. i want to show, in this video,

this was the first time it became aware of the proud boys. mrs. heckling, and we got to put out over it. they are heckling speaker pelosi, and they are trying to intimidate her. you can see this kind of thing happen, and now, the proud boys, have essentially, taking control of the miami-dade republican party. extremists move into politics. >> i think it is worth noting, to, one of the hate groups, that you didn't mention, is called america first. america first is not only the trumpist slogan, not only a plank in rick scott, the senator from florida's 11 point program, and the senate platform, but, is, all so, the name of the fascist party from the united states in the 1940s. i think this is fairly blatant, and out in the open, but it is an issue that is connected to politicians, as well as two people we think of as vigilantes, and paramilitaries. >> why florida?

i think the south is very conservative, it is home to very conservative politicians all across the south. why would these groups be particularly attracted to florida? is it the low taxes annex as to whether? >> it is great weather. i think part of it is the low taxes, right? part of it, also, is these are groups that are running overhead. they don't want to deal with tax. it is also an existing part of their dirty wars in their, it is a lot of people who are engaged in transnational, far-right organizing, based, in south florida, and it is a sort of structural, built in thing, that is doing to this far-right extremism. it is also doing it to other places, and can help with their own problems. >> it is those who are

definitely feeding into very far right, social ideas, and it is an altar education that can make it more christian right. as he prepares to, probably, run for president, how should we think of that? >> i think it is dangerous. it's a key take away here, a collection of various groups, from classic paramilitary groups, and for politicians who are affiliated or, loosely associated with them, to the former president to, of course, try to overturn the election in the january 6th insurrection. it is all in the same place, and we are going to have problems come out of there. it is going to have a main person, and there is no main person, it is, in fact, the organizing we should be worried about. that is where we will see the closest connections between the

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friend, and colleague, chris say, is for a special announcement. a week from tonight, the day after martin luther king junior day, we will host a town hall on race in america, at 10 pm eastern. the town hall called, a national day of racial healing, is sponsored by the w k kellogg foundation, and will take place in new orleans, at studio b. here he is, chris hayes. wait, where is he? chris ace, there he is. it will be you, me, and tremaine lee, at this amazing warehouse talk about racial healing. how do you expect it to go? >> i always take any opportunity to go to new orleans. i will tell you, i didn't know

about the racial healing worked at the color foundation had been done, and i will be totally say, slightly skeptical, when i hear the word. i have materialist conception of how the stuff works. it's about who owns property, how the loss function, but the work they have done is fascinating. they do this interesting work with groups, and it is a way in to get from what i, would say, is the psychological, to the political. i think there is an interesting story to tell about how it works. it's particularly important in early 2023, which you see several ways of consciousness about racism, racial hierarchy in america, and in its effects. the backlash isn't that consciousness, and they're in that contested space. they're in the summer of 2020, and there is the anti critical race theory. there is an opening now, for conversations, and it was a

backlash in its power. >> it is always a boom bust cycle on race, you have obama, trumpism, maga, and you had a lot of white people, and black lives matter marches, and there is a backlash against that. the idea that needed to be stormed, down wokeness was threatening, was still, there in my mind. it seems like a complex thing to get. >> it is parts of it that have lost their steam, and have been chasing like a dog after another car. it is the same people who there are drag branches as well, and the boom bust is a problem. getting to some of these deeper, structural issues, is thereafter. >> being mike is the artist that we saw, and we're going to do it. all in with