right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the president's classified document controversy is getting worse for the white house. with biden aides finding a second small batch of classified documents, this time at his wilmington, delaware, home, raising new questions about his handling of classified materials. president biden addressing the situation this morning. >> my lawyers reviewed our places where documents from my time as vice president were stored and they finished the review last night. they discovered a small number of documents of classified marking in storage areas in file cabinets. we will see all this unfold. under this hour, the congressional investigation into hunter biden. ramping up as "the new york times" today reporting that the justice department could move

closer to deciding whether to prosecute him on tax and gun charges. i will be joined by a growing number of new york lawmakers calling for congressman george santos to resign. what the embattled congressman is saying today. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. republican lawmakers are calling for the appointment of a special counsel to investigate additional documents found by aides to president biden. they were discovered in the garage of his home in wilmington, delaware, after the first batch of ten classified materials were found at the penn biden center in washington. >> classified material next to your corvette? what were you thinking? >> let me -- i'm going to get a chance to speak on all of this, god willing, soon. as i said earlier this week -- by the way, my corvette is in a

locked garage. it's not like it's out on the street. >> it's in a locked garage? >> yes, as well as my corvette. >> merrick garland will make a statement in the next hour. we don't know the subject. potentially about his next steps on this issue, including his response to republican pressure to name a special counsel as he did on the trump mar-a-lago documents. we have been pointing out there's a large difference between these two cases. joining me now, peter alexander, kimberly adkins store, sam stein, david jolly and harry lipman. peter, after saying that they were not going to comment, it's obvious the president felt the need to address this and did so today. >> that's right. there had been a strategic decision by the white house not to go beyond the president's original statement and the statement shared by his counsel,

the white house special counsel, who had been detailing the circumstances here until the new information first reported by nbc came out and then i was in the room when the president made that acknowledgement today that additional documents had been discovered at the garage of his wilmington home. that's where the vast majority as the white house describes as a small number of documents were found. one additional document, one page in total, was found in an adjacent room at the wilmington, delaware, property of the bidens. the search, which had been exhaustive since november 2nd, when the other documents were found in the office space here in washington, d.c., the search has gone on for the past couple of months. we are told it's complete and no other classified documents were found at dr. jill biden and joe biden's property in rehoboth beach, delaware. we are told by the white house that these documents, like the

other batch, were immediately turned over to the national archives once they were found. the bottom line is for the president, this expands what has been a growing controversy. not the least of which, it's a political challenge for the president as well who was supposed to be making decisions whether he would run in 2024. there's a higher likelihood we will hear from the attorney general the appointment of a special counsel as we have heard growing pressure, growing calls from lawmakers, specifically republicans on the senate side, most notably lindsey graham yesterday saying in an interview on fox news basically to merrick garland, if you thought we needed a special counsel, which there is, in the investigation of donald trump's handling of classified documents, those hundreds that were found at mar-a-lago, then you have to have one in this situation as well. as you have noted and we repeated, the circumstances are very different in these two situations. there was no review, no request

by the national archives as opposed to the trump situation where he had been sitting on the documents for months, more than a year, and it wasn't until a subpoena was filed there was a court-ordered search that took place there to finally wrap up the discovery of those documents. in this situation, the white house insists they did everything right. for the president, it remains a problem that documents were found at multiple locations now over the course of the last several months. >> petepeter, stand by. i'm not clear on the time line. we know this was -- the documents were discovered in the penn biden center, the ten or so, days before the election -- the midterm elections. do we know yet when -- we know when the second search, the final search was completed, they say last night. when was the second batch found in the garage in wilmington? >> it's a good question. it's one we don't have an answer

to. the first batch was found november 2nd. the president, i was told, by a source familiar with the matter, was notified about it, quote, that same day. they were turned over to the national archives the next day, november 3rd. that was less than a week before the midterms. we didn't learn about it until there was a leak to a media outlet that reported it earlier this week. that separate set of documents we do not know when that discovery took place. of course, we only learned about it yesterday when nbc news first heard that there had been another discovery made of classified documents. the white house has not gone further into detailing when or the level of classification. >> let me let you go. you have more reporting to do. harry, let's talk about this. there was a lot of confusion, understandably, when we first broke the story. carol lee and mike memoli broke the story as to when they discovered the second batch. did they know since november or did they just discover and the circumstances, as the president was describing it, less than

ideal in terms of the careful way he said he handles classified documents. i'm going to pause. let's stipulate, this is different from documents being demanded back from the national archives, the trump people delaying, not turning them over, not being clear, filing an affidavit saying they turned everything over, not responding to a subpoena, the search which was warranted by a judge because they hadn't turned everything over and still not turning everything over, still finding more, in more than a year of resistance. now they find the second batch. certainly not kept in ideal circumstances in the garage in wilmington with the corvette. >> totally. there are questions here. it is night and day different from trump. as you say, when did they find them? when did they turn them over? what exactly are the classification markings?

all that is true. it's a political headache now growing to migraine proportions and maybe policy questions about why is it easy -- so easy to spirit out documents? what there isn't so far is any indication that would warrant a criminal investigation, any indication of intentional or even knowledgeable conduct on anyone's part, much less biden's. that is the linchpin for the appointment of a special counsel. garland is in a tough spot. he is a person of the law. that is the prerequisite. i don't see how he finds it. nevertheless, will he appoint a special counsel out of an abundance of caution to try to blunt this growing political scandal? >> harry, very clearly, he might feel he has to because of the political pressure. carol lee, have you learned anything more? >> we are learning -- my colleague mike memoli and i are reporting as part of the justice department review of the classified documents in

president biden's possession, they have interviewed multiple biden staffers, those who worked for him in those closing time in his time as vice president, including kathy chung who was executive assistant to the president, who is described as somebody who had a key roll in packing up the boxes in the final days of president biden's term as vice president. what we are told is that those who have been interviewed, they did so when they were asked to be interview by federal law enforcement, they agreed to do so quickly and that those who were involved in packing up the former vice president's, now president's, office were not -- they were just putting things in boxes. there was no intent here. they weren't looking and seeing what exactly was in these papers. they weren't intentionally putting classified documents among and co-mingled with the president's political and personal documents. we don't know if these

interviews are concluded, if federal law enforcement officials are continuing to talk to people who worked for president biden at that time. we do know that a number of them have been interviewed, including someone who served as his executive assistant, who now serves in a position at the pentagon. >> i want to drill down on that. this is such an important new fact that you are presenting here. kathy chung and how they were putting things in botchboxes. any classified document has a cover page. there's a bright orange strip on them or red. they are marked classified. anyone who worked for the vice president for a period of years, they were in the white house for eight years, i don't know how long kathy chung had this job, but they know enough that a classified document cannot be co-mingled. that was one of the chief criticisms of donald trump's procedures when he was packing in a hurry. carol? >> that's right. as you well know.

people who work for the vice president, are that close to the vice president's papers and in and around his office would then have a security clearance and would be trained on how to handle classified documents. i can read you a quote from one of the sources who told us that the people who were boxing up president biden's then vice presidential office had no idea there was anything in there that shouldn't leave the white house. there was no decision made to take certain documents that should have been presidential records or classified. underscoring what we have heard from the white house, what the president himself has suggested, which is there was no intent here, which is the thing that the justice department would be looking for. they are essentially saying, this was an accident. this was not something that the president's aides who were packing up his vice presidential office intended to do. >> harry, let me bring you back in here. intent is a key fact, but

there's also the mishandling of a lower level issue, an administrative issue, but certainly there's some legal -- there are legal regulations in the handling of the documents that can only be read in a scif. there was one in his vice presidential office. someone on his team would be aware of this. whether or not they intended to do something, it seems to be an indication they're trying to take the vice president -- former vice president out of the mix, this was done by staff, and it wasn't he said, give me that paper or that paper, gave them a list of things he wanted. >> everyone on his team would know that. it does -- we are looking at more and more incidents where this happened, including with alberto gonzales. you are right. except if it's a staffer that did something even with intent, that's not what a special counsel is for. there's no difficulty for the doj to prosecute or investigate

somebody who worked for biden as vice president ten years ago. this really, as a matter of special counsel -- it's important to keep separate the policy, political and criminal questions. the criminal question means, biden himself or someone very high up, reason to think there was intentional misconduct here. i have seen none. we have heard of none. >> sam, i want to play what we heard from speaker mccarthy in the last hour and talk to you on the other side. >> he goes on "60 minutes minutes ," criticizing president trump. now we find another location that it's at. you watched them leak photos of files of president trump. where is the photos of president biden's documents? where are those photos? he knowingly knew this happened going into election, going into interviews. this is what makes america not trust their government. >> he is talking about the photos during the search. the search was approved by a

judge because for more than a year the former president had resisted turning over what the archives had discovered he had taken improperly, which is very different from, as we have been describing, the biden team turning things over immediately. that's why nobody was taking pictures. that said, you can see what's happening here politically. >> yeah. kevin mccarthy knows the distinctions and nuances here fully well. that doesn't mean he can't capitalize on the new cycle. there's questions he is raising, including if biden did know about this on november 2nd, why was this kept quiet until very recently? i think the larger picture issue here for the president, in addition to questions about legality as harry was talking, is the political elements here. today was designed by the white

house. the video we showed of biden, that was an event meant to cheer on the lower than expected inflation number and to talk about the economic progress that has been happening and the unemployment rate. of course, the defining video footage now will be joe biden discussing the lock on his garage that houses the corvette. from a sheer political standpoint, this is an obvious problem for the administration. it allows mccarthy to go on and make these attacks. we see that. there's some rationalization for that, justification for mccarthy to go on attack. it's just not what biden wants to be talking about, especially as he is seeing a rise in poll numbers, the economic situation is getting better. democratic party is coalescing around him. now you have this. >> you have an increasingly aggressive, very important factor on the hill, which is that you have a new republican speaker setting up committees

that will go after joe biden and his family on everything. kim, you are an attorney as well as a journalist. there will be more calls in the coming days, despite what harry points out, for more -- not only more transparency, which is certainly needed, and we have been calling for that, from the administration, but for merrick garland to take steps. what do you think he is going to do at 1:15, when we expect to hear from him? >> i'm really not ruling out the possibility of a special counsel being appointed at this point. while harry is right that the doj does not operate based on politics, they don't answer the call of lawmakers, they investigate facts and they apply them to the law and act accordingly. i think in this case, when it comes to something that merrick garland does care about, the reputation and public trust in the department of justice, that that could lean in favor of playing it safer, crossing every t and dotting every i in public

view. in that case, it could lead in favor of the appointment of a special counsel in this case. you are right, there's a difference between an administrative violation of the law when it comes to where classified documents are and a willful act, willful retention, obstruction, other things that the doj had potential evidence of when they appointed that special counsel in the trump case. i think here, because there are so many unanswered questions, because there needs to be an ongoing thorough investigation of this, i could see merrick garland, in protection of the reputation and integrity of the doj itself, taking the most cautious and most transparent steps that he could take. >> david, this just in as we like to say, mike rodgers, who chairs armed services, is asking the pentagon for an assessment to see whether this handling of classified documents,

mishandling, if you will, by joe biden and his team, damaged national security. there are requests from the house oversight committee. also requests from the democratic chair of senate intelligence. that's bipartisan. >> it is. it should be. we need to then point out the hypocrisy that where were republicans with the same questions after the mar-a-lago search and seizure of the documents there? the hypocrisy is on display. i think what we will see -- we see develop is the president lean into his strengths. president biden, he is seen by the american people as authentic and sincere and honest. i think you will see him with that spirit of cooperation say, look, we have been acting in good faith. to the extent you want to compare this with former president trump, we believe he has been acting in bad faith. bidn cooperated, turned over documents. trump tried to hide the documents, lied to the court about the documents, can't decide if he declassified them or not. maybe biden should welcome a

special counsel. a special counsel would deliver that contrast, particularly if it ultimately leads to an indictment of former president trump and exoneration of joe biden. >> we will have a lot more from carol coming up. carol, thank you for your exclusive reporting with mike memoli on every aspect of this story. kimberly, sam, david, thanks to all of you. harry, stick around. we will check in with you later this hour. we are following two stories on capitol hill. more house republicans now joining the growing calls for congressman george santos to resign over his fabricated resume and lies about his background on the campaign trail. the house's passage of two anti-abortion bills wednesday, despite a majority of americans saying it should be legal. joining me now is garrett haake. kevin mccarthy held a press conference this morning. i want to talk to you about that. point out, we had nancy mace, the republican from south

carolina, on yesterday. she spoke very passionately about why she thought it was the wrong tone for her caucus to be pursuing this abortion legislation and why it was unfair to women, especially women who have been subjected to rape or incest or other forms of sexual violence. she ended up voting for the abortion measures. explain that. >> reporter: she told reporters that at the end of the day, she was, as she described herself, pro life. she felt it was important to vote for these measures despite their potentially politically damaging -- or politically unappealing appearance, if you will -- >> let me just interrupt and say that pro life is a term that they -- an entire group wants to use. that's not an accurate description. >> reporter: i'm using it because it's the term she used to describe herself. >> i understand.

that was her explanation. let's talk about congressman santos now. >> reporter: congressman santos has been making it abundantly clear at every interaction he has with reporters that he is not going anywhere. he is basically hounded from the minute he walks into the complex to the minute he walks on the floor and back for his explanations of any of the various claims that he has made along the way about his personal background, about his campaign financing. now about whether he will heed calls from local new york republicans to stay or go in this congress. here is what he had to say about that today. >> what is your response to resign? >> i will not resign. i will be continuing to hold my office elected by the people. >> if the voters ask for you to resign, will you? if your voters -- >> if 142 people ask for it, i

will resign. >> reporter: santos clarified. he meant 142,000 people. that's how many votes he got in new york's third district when he was initially elected. he is digging in. he has backup. kevin mccarthy asked again today about santos, said that's a decision for the voters of new york that santos will go through the ethics committee process, which is bipartisan but also takes a very long time. unless and until the ethics committee comes back with some other recommendation or the broader set of facts changes, he believes santos should be in this body and should be seated on committees. he clarified today, in addition to not being seated on so-called "a" committees that he should not be on committees where he could have access to classified information. >> garrett haake, busy times up there. thank you very much. joining me now is republican new york congressman anthony

desposito. congressman, first of all, why did you call for him to resign? what is the reaction from the caucus and the speaker? >> the why is simple. as i have stated over the last few weeks, i believe george santos has violated the trust not only the trust of the voters, the trust of the fellow elected officials in nassau county and the trust of people that he serves with here in congress. the response has been what has been expected. i think people have been watching this from the beginning. they have concerns. as more and more unfolds, as more investigations are begun and we hear more information, there's a real problem here. when you are lying to the people that you represent about your religion, the fact that you are jewish, the fact that you had family who escaped the holocaust, those are real issues that many people can't look

past. i represent a large orthodox jewish population in the 4th congressional district. i have heard from them. these are staunch republican conservatives who feel that they have been had. the other evening i was at an event, people were concerned. this isn't about one specific fabrication. it's about how they keep piling up. i think it really is affecting his potential to govern. >> have you heard from the speaker or the whip? >> i have spoken to all of leadership. they understood my position. they understand that i'm in a county -- i share nassau county with him. as you saw yesterday, our county chairman and all of our elected officials throughout the county, including our executive, our state legislature, our local towns and some villages have said that they are calling for his resignation. they don't think that he has the ability to serve.

>> yesterday, speaker mccarthy said, what are the charges? obviously, there are investigations from various jurisdictions, but there are no charges yet. that will take a while. secondly, he says that the voters will decide in two years. isn't that putting off a decision that really should be made now? >> i think that leader mccarthy is making the decision, and he has told all of us that he will be on top of it. he is going to make sure that if anyone has done any wrongdoing, they will be held accountable. my calling for santos' resignation yesterday was strongly based on the concerns that i have heard from my constituents, from the people i represent, from home in nassau county, long island, who really just don't feel that george has at built to continue to serve.

>> how do you feel about the way this new republican caucus has started off with cancelling the new irs agents, the irs funding, the abortion legislation, refusing to unseat santos? >> i think that, first of all, the beginning of the caucus, getting up to electing speaker mccarthy, i think that it was an opportunity for many of us to hear different points of view. it was an opportunity for us to debate, which was healthy. i will speak as a freshman. it was an opportunity for us to really get to know our colleagues in a much better way, much more rapidly than we probably would elsewhere. when it comes to the irs agents, that was a promise we made during the campaign that we would rescind, repeal that funding. it was a promise made, promise kept. with the abortion bills on the floor yesterday, late-term abortion and the abortion -- an

abortion fails and taking the life of a child, i voted in favor of that. i think so far, we have focused on the things that we have talked about during the campaign. we will continue to. i'm looking forward to working with my colleagues and especially the leadership as a retired nypd detective, law enforcement, securing our borders was a big part of this campaign. they have made a pledge, and i look forward to moving legislation forward to protect our borders, to protect our communities and to support law enforcement. >> congressman, congratulations on being sworn in. welcome to congress and washington. we look forward to talking to you frequently. >> thank you. >> as you continue yourself. thank you. >> have a great night. >> you too. former president trump's infamous words about the proud boys are allowed in court as members of the far right group go on trial today.

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general. harry, let's talk about the trial. we have seen the conviction of the oath keepers on that very subject. it's a hard case to make usually. what are we expecting from opening statements? why do you think prosecutors want that trump statement included in this trial? >> to your second question, for motive. motive is something prosecutors don't have to prove, but they are permitted to prove. they want to show its impact on the proud boys and the five defendants. there are many tweets that say our commander in chief has called us out and that's why we are coming. it's a study in contrast. you have a by the book presentation by prosecutors as they did in the previous trial. as you say, these are tough trials to prove. historically, they are troubled charges. i think the indication from the ten days of jury selection is you will try to see the -- the

defendants will make a circus of it. they have been very flamboyant and adversarial. they said, they will quit if video is shown. in general, it's a real bordello there. there's historical precedent here for trying to make it all crazy as a way of trying to blunt what is extremely strong evidence by the department of justice. >> let's talk separately about your article concerning the new subpoena sent to trump campaign officials last month seeking more than two dozen categories of information. i'm curious to what it includes. doesn't it indicate that this is now far from getting close to being wrapped up if they are just now issuing subpoenas that have to be -- if the documents are turned over, they have to go through them and there's a long process. why two years later are they still getting to a subpoena?

>> i think what you have seen is you have seen multiple waves of subpoenas at this point in this investigation. each wave of subpoenas really has -- seeks a tremendous amount of information. these subpoenas of trump campaign officials are no exception. i think that's interesting about the demands is they are trying to cover the entire waterfront of possible anti-certification of the election activity. so you see them throwing in things like conspiracy theories about dominion. they want to understand everything that was being said on this subject internally by and to trump campaign administration officials. it does suggest they have a long way to go. >> this is to find out who paid for different aspects of it, whether there was a broader conspiracy involving potentially campaign finance money or other funds from different groups? >> one of the questions that investigators have been trying to answer is when conservatives

and trump backers were raising money to challenge the results of the election, were they doing that honestly or was there an element of fraud to those appeals for money? that is clearly one of the areas of particular interest to the investigators. what those subpoenas ultimately show and find is a separate question that we don't have a full answer to yet. >> harry, again, turning to the question of what took them so long. >> yeah. we don't know. we know that since smith has gotten on the job, they have gotten bigger and bigger. the first year or so they were looking at people on the ground. the big point here, as best we can tell, there is no cooperating witness high up in trump's orbit. these subpoenas are really daggers at not trump so much as giuliani, powell, people who told these lies about dominion. it suggests they are looking for

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prosecuting hunter biden for not revealing his drug use on a 2018 gun application. "the new york times" says his lawyers believe those will be handled without criminal charges, detailing how hunter paid the irs belatedly and his lawyers say prosecuting a standalone gun charge is extremely rare. a close look at hunter's story shows it differs in ways from the narrative promoted by republicans. "the new york times" washington correspondent michael schmidt wrote that. he joins me now. it's good to see you. let's start with the federal investigation. it's extremely less politically explosive than republicans are letting on. talk about the differences. >> republicans have made a range of allegations about joe biden

and hunter biden's role in this. what our reporting showed was that joe biden played no role in hunter biden's business. he was not hunter biden's business partner. he was hunter biden's father. hunter biden himself did go out and try to do deals with foreign governments or foreigners and did deals in ways that were risky and exposed him to political liability and political liability for his father. at the end of the day, the justice department has looked at a range of different allegations and accusations and deals that hunter biden did, and its concentration, where it believes it may have charges, are on tax and gun issues, as you said. those issues are far smaller and narrower than what the

republicans allege and what they will be presenting in the coming months as they try and make the case that joe biden and hunter biden were basically operating a criminal entity together. >> there's several instances that the republicans have focused on. one was a visit in china. another was joe biden showing up at a fund-raiser. in your reporting, these were perfunctory appearances. a meet and greet or a handshake. he was not involved in the business operations, which were -- i think many people would acknowledge, it showed bad judgment on hunter biden's part during a time when he was addicted. >> correct. look, the story here -- the story of hunter biden is not a pretty story. hunter biden was trying to make as much money as he could to keep up with an expensive lifestyle in washington.

so he could send his kids to private school, so he could support his family. in that process, he went out and tried to make as much money as possible and did deals in ways that raise questions among biden's advisers about whether hunter was trying to profit on his father's name and his proximity to power, at least the appearance of his proximity to power. that's what created these questions around -- this is what has given the republicans a way to raise these questions is because joe biden -- this is his son. he saw his son at different points. there's a handshake here and a handshake there that joe biden may have made. but there's nothing that ties joe biden directly into hunter's efforts to do business. >> you have also drilled down on whether or not the republicans are correct when they say they had joint bank accounts. i think "the new york times" reporting today, as i read it is, there were times when joe

biden might pay something for hunter and be paid back, but they were not sharing a bank account. is that correct? >> correct. we did not find they were sharing a bank account. we found that sort of a family bookkeeper of sorts was going to the white house when joe biden was vice president to have him sign checks for personal expenses that he had because white house staff could not engage with that ethically with the vice president. there were these visits that republicans have made a big deal about about this individual going to the white house when joe biden was the vice president, and they have said, look, joe biden was participating in this enterprise. our reporting showed what he was doing was he was making sure joe biden was signing checks that he had to sign for personal expenses that even someone like the vice president still has.

>> i want to ask you separately, of course, about the additional reporting you did and the writing you did which goes in depth into john kelly and when he was the longest serving chief of staff in the earlier part of the trump presidency and the things he was dealing with, including startling information in your reporting about what the former president trump proposed doing with kim jong-un and north korea, a nuclear weapon? >> for the paperback of my book, i wrote a 12,000 word biography of sorts of john kelly that looks at his history and his time working directly for trump. it tells the story of someone who came in as chief of staff thinking that trump needed to have better process around him. he needed to be staffed better. there needed to be a better system in the west wing run. that would keep trump on track.

hours and just days into kelly's tenure, he realized that the problem was far greater than that. the problem was trump. trump was stupider, more impulsive, more limited than he ever thought. kelly later told someone, who i talked to, that he didn't know they made human beings like that, about trump. the biggest issue that kelly was concerned about was whether trump was using highly incendiary language about north korea at the time publically and privately was going to set off a massive military conflict. i tell the story of how this chief of staff, who had no one else to call, no one else to help him, and was spending his days with donald trump, tried to get him off of that, because he thought that war was a very distinct possibility given the highly charged nature of the public statements both trump and

the north koreans were making. >> did he talk about using a nuclear weapon? >> so at one point in trump's -- trump was talking publically. he was saying little rocket man and fire and fury and different statements. in private, trump was saying things that were scary. one of the things he cavalierly discussed was, can we use a nuclear weapon and just blame it on another country? it shows you sort of trump's limited understanding of such a massive use of power and the implications of it and the idea even that a president would privately discuss that and if the north koreans had a way of finding out about that, it would have really scared the north koreans to know trump was saying that in private. >> would have scared the americans, too.

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jews will go out of their way to hire other jews. 4040 rs% say jews are more loyal to israel than u.s. 24% say jews have too much influence. all of these are inaccurate and would like you to expand on how you approach the survey differently this time and what do you do differently? >> thank you for the question and for @ opportunity. you said at the top that 20% of americans today believe in widely held anti-semitic ideas. that is almost double the number that we saw in 2019. it's the highest level we have seen in three decades. that's as many as 52 million americanss who believe in classic anti-semitic ideas. we found at least three quarters of americans sub skried to one of these theories. that is pretty staggering. we also found a significant

overlap between conspiracy theoies and negative sentiments. so you hate the jewish state, chances are you dislike the jewish people and young people have anti-jewish sentiments. this isn't an issue that seems to be alleviated with younger people. in fact, it's quite pronounced. so what do we do? we use this information to design programs, to improve interventions, if we could understand the problem and diagnose the cause, we have a shot at trying to turn it around. >> what do you attribute this to? >> i think there are a few things. keep in mind, we have seen anti-semitic incidents surge over the last few years as we have discussed on your show. in '21 we had triple the number of anti-semitic acts we had in 2016. it was the highest year on record. sow think extremists felt em bold theed.

and now the attitudes are following. the attitudes are a bit of a lagging indicator. but this is a very scary snapshot. it takes my breath away to think 70% of americans are telling us they are unwilling to spend time or be in the same space with the person who supports the jewish state. that is without precedent. and to think that by the way the hardest core haters, this 20% of people, 52 million americans, there's only 6 pbt 5 million jews in the united states. so at a time when anti-semitism is on the rise, this data confirms something is definitely going on. and let's keep in mind we did this study with the university of chicago. it was peer reviewed by a panel of academics. this is really fairly bullet proof, which makes us all the more worried. this weekend is the one-year anniversary of the incident in

texas last year. arab buy was taken hostage by an isis-inspired person. this reminds us that attitudes and rhetoric create real world consequences. >> jonathan greenblat, we'll keep reporting on this. thank you. president biden honored the late u.s. defense secretary ash carter during a he moirl service. he said he never let politics impact his work and thanked the carter family. >> the grief makes it inescapable. on behalf of our nation, just want to say thank you. thank you for sharing ash with us and for your oechb service to our country. we're truly grateful. >> ash carter died so suddenly

at a young age. he served as president obama's defense chief. he capped 25 years at the pentagon. his legacy including opening all combat roels to women and allowing transgender personnel to serve openly. he died of a massive heart attack in october. he was only 68 years old. that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." chris jansing will be here in a few moments. in a few moments. local life and cultural treasures. because when you experience europe on a viking longship, you'll spend less time getting there and more time being there. viking. exploring the world in comfort.

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