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one top secret document was among those found at the president's office. the white house leaving many unanswered questions about how and why documents ended up there. is it too late to do damage control now that a special counsel is involved? plus, historic selma, alabama taking a direct hit from a massive tornado. one of more than two dozen that plowed through the southern u.s. smashing buildings launching mobile homes into the air across a 200 mile stretch. at least 700 people were killed including a little boy. we'll take you to selma live. and my live interview with captain sully sullenberger, the man best known for the miracle on the hudson. he'll share his unique insights on what's right and wrong with the airline industry in 2023 and what he thinks needs to be done to fix it. but we start with the white house on defense amid new details and new fallout from the discovery of classified

documents at president biden's former office and home in delaware. nbc news learned one of the documents found in his office in november was marked top secret. right now we are watching the white house where the president will welcome the japanese prime minister a few minutes from now. as far as we know, the two will not take questions from the press but you can bet the press will ask them anyway. and with special counsel robert hur now in charge of the investigation, president biden will likely be more limited on what he can say about the discovery anyway. biden's attorney said yesterday he expects the review will show that the documents were, quote, inadvertently misplaced. the problem is that finding could be weeks or months away and in the meantime the questions keep coming. you say repeatedly the president said he takes documents very seriously, if that's the case,

why were they stored at his garage? >> you heard the president say this twice already and said it before, classified documents and information he takes that seriously. >> does he think the garage is an appropriate place to store classified materials? >> i'm not going to go into what he thinks or how he feels about what is currently happening. what i can say for sure, when it comes to this specific issue about classified documents, about classified information, he takes that very seriously. joining me right enjoy, nbc justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian and analyst michael steele, jim massimino, deputy chef of staff under barack obama. and jeff rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor. the new special counsel, robert hur issued a statement saying, quote, i will conduct the assigned investigation with fair, impartial and dispassionate judgment. i intend to follow the facts swiftly and thoroughly, without fear or favor, and will honor

the trust placed in me to perform this service. there are still a lot of unanswered questions here. so what are the key ones that the investigators will be looking at, chuck? >> sure. by the way, i know rob, so that's what i would expect him to say, he's a good and decent and honorable man. you have to figure out, chris, who handled the stuff and whose direction it was moved. who packed it, moved it, stored it, who accessed it and what was their intent. these are all questions for fbi agents to sort through over the coming weeks and months, as you said. until we know that, at best, chris, at best, this was extraordinarily sloppy and careless and reckless. but that doesn't mean that anyone intentionally committed a crime. by the way, that's true with the trump stuff and it's true with the biden stuff. the best thing you can say about it is it was extraordinarily reckless, whether or not someone intentionally did this,

intentionally removed classified information, intentionally mishandled it, let's let the fbi and prosecutors figure that out. >> you called him a good and honorable and decent man, someone you know. is he immune to the political pressures? >> i think so. we like to think of ourselves that way when we're federal prosecutors. we're all human beings some of us read what others write about us and care about us, some don't. i think rob is the right guy for the job. i think jack smith is the right guy for the job. i think all of this could have been handled within the normal channels and mechanisms of the department of justice. i'm not convinced we needed special counsels but now that we have them, i think we have two good ones. >> ken, what more have you been able to learn about the handover of this investigation and do we have a timeline? how long might we expect it to go? tell me what we know at this point? >> all good questions, chris. on its face it doesn't seem like a complicated investigation.

not nearly as complex as the january 6th investigation that special counsel jack smith is conducting. probably not even as elaborate into the inquiry of mar-a-lago, there's a limited universe of people with access to the documents. but let's remember here, the u.s. attorney in chicago and the fbi have already been reviewing this matter for eight weeks. and we've reported that they've been interviewing some of the people who had their hands on these documents yet they were not able to get to the bottom of the questions that chuck raised. particularly intentionality, why were the documents removed and was there any willfulness behind it, did somebody do this on purpose because that could be a crime. so that's what robert hur has to investigate. and he will have tools that the u.s. attorney in chicago did not because he has a formal criminal investigation now, he can use subpoenas, a grand jury, request an interview with president biden which i would expect to happen in this case at some point. and all of this could take some

time but not very long, chris. >> jim, how worried should the white house be this is more than just a temporary headache. less than a week ago he seemed to have the momentum after the midterms, the house republicans were in chaos on the house floor. now at the very least does it muddy any messaging about any issues or accomplishments. we saw it yesterday when he wanted to talk about good inflation news but the questions were all about this. >> it's a great question, chris. when i was in the white house you realize something hits the white house in a way that no one can deal with. i used to call them comets. the problem with this investigation is you can't talk about it. it's very difficult and a very big distraction. it's a distraction from the messaging and it will test their ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. they want to stay focussed on their accomplishments. they're getting ready to run a

re-election campaign now they have this in the middle. so at the least a major distraction. i think they're wildly different situations between this and the trump situation but still when you're the sitting president this is the last thing you want to be talking about. >> it begs the question how big is the comet, is it self-inflicted? because the white house's handling that they didn't come clean on both discoveries at the same time is raising questions and there are questions why not back in august when the fbi raided mar-a-lago and biden's team, biden himself are criticizing trump, why not make sure your own house is in order just to be super careful then? >> i used to run this process in the white house, used to deal with these issues. they did exactly what you're supposed to do, as soon as you figure out you have them, you call archives, get them out of there and start the process. that's exactly what they did. they didn't play politics. they didn't leak it early to

control it. they let the process happen as it should. i like the special counsel in this case because it takes some of the politics out of it. this morning i saw jim jordan saying where's the raid. why didn't they raid the biden place? let me explain. it's not like donald trump who had this for over a year and a half, repeated requests to get rid of these things, he asked his attorneys to lie and say he didn't have them, they declined. that's why donald trump got a raid. this, joe biden's did what they were supposed to do when they were supposed to do it. now the fbi is going to go through every piece of this and see who did what and when. >> in the meantime, that's maybe the legal part of it, michael steele but let's talk about the political part of it. i want to play what kevin mccarthy did just before, before the special counsel announcement yesterday. >> i think congress has to investigate this. here's an individual that's been in office for more than 40 years. here's an individual that sat on

"60 minutes" was so concerned about president trump's documents now we find as a vice president keeping it for years out in the open in different locations. i do not think that any american believes that justice should not be equal for all. >> so now that robert hur has been appointed does it make it harder to claim a double standard or does it shift the criticism? >> it doesn't make it harder you'll hear them say what kevin said, they want to investigate, push the political narrative as much as possible because it muddies the water. we are good at muddying the water. we are about the what aboutism, we are about the comparative analyst why is he treated this way versus trump being treated another way. to jim's point, you can sit there and explain all day long the differences between these

two cases, but for these republicans, particularly for mccarthy who owes the chair he's sitting in to donald trump and marjorie taylor greene and others who want to beat that drum he's not going to deviate from that, say anything different from what you hear now. what does that mean for the rest of us? as citizens we have to be smart about what we're listening to. that's why having the special counsel in place place takes that down. the administration has to do a better job, i think, sort of explaining the actions that it did take and how they took them, i get that they were probably being sensitive to the fbi and the justice department and all those other third parties coming in and wanting to keep sort of a hands off approach and not look like they're influencing any level of investigation that was

occurring between september and december. but you still have to explain it in a way in which you're not creating more questions. so you have a situation that's probably a three, chris, in terms of its substantive impact but has like a six political impact. and you got to find that balance in there so that you don't lose the public in this narrative and it becomes harder when the facts come out to say these are the actual facts that clarify what happened and this is in no way the same as donald trump's situation. >> obviously, michael, this is not happening in a vacuum, because house republicans are gearing up for a series of investigations, including that new subcommittee that's going to have the power to investigate what's called ongoing criminal investigations by the justice department and the fbi, and what republicans say is, there's political bias in both organizations, right. they've tried as democrats to paint this as a political

exercise, but what does the confluence of all these things for republicans look like to you? >> you know, look, it's feeding the beast, it's churning the narrative. look, this president has had a successful first half of his first term. how do we know? well, he held his ground in the senate and mitigated what could have been a devastating loss in the house. and so, that stuck in the craw of a lot of republicans, not looking at our own ineptitude in the candidates we were putting out there and the messaging, that had nothing to do with it. so now you want something to stick. and that's why the confluence of investigations about prior bad acts in their view, now will be glomed onto this current bad act to say it's all part of a

corrupt narrative, a corrupt administration, which again, why the special counsel, to jim's point, can be really important here to create that -- a little bit more gap between the politics that mccarthy and republicans want to play and the positioning of the law that says, okay, we looked at this, there was no criminal activity here. just poor packing decisions, for example. and there's nothing to see. so this is -- it's going to be a little bit tenuous i think for the next six months or so, however long certainly this investigation by hur goes on. then you have the other side on the final point, what happens in the trump probe? where does that go now with this hanging out there as well. the justice department is not immune to the wows of the political winds that are blowing on that subject. so this is going to be an

interesting dance. very delicate one over the next few months. >> as you said before, chuck, you all want to think that you are immune to that or try to stay immune to that, stick to the facts, the law. on the other hand you know what the republicans say and think about you, as the doj, that you're biassed. can you separate that? you can just imagine what would happen if they found some culpability for donald trump or found that joe biden indeed it was just all a situation where it was sloppiness. how do you stay apart from that and can they? >> we think they can, chris, and we think it's a bias, it is a bias because i come out of that system, i see folks, men and women, trying hard to make principle decisions we're not perfect we get some wrong, but they're not political decisions. but the odd thing is people look

at what the justice department is from the outside and try to understand it in a political framework. and at least in my experience, that's not how we digest information or make decisions. and i think it's sometimes hard for people who have a political prism to think that other people do not. again, we're not perfect, we're human beings we made mistakes. but my experience in the department of justice is we try very, very hard to be objective and dissipationate and get it right. you can believe it or not believe it. but that's my experience. >> chuck rosenberg, jim messina, kim dilanian, thank you. russian forces are claiming their first major victory in ukraine in months saying they've taken soledar, it's been bitter fighting for months because of the salt mines and the tunnels

that stretch out for hundreds of miles. ukraine said it's still ongoing. the city itself is obliterated. these are before and afternoon pictures. it's hard to look at this. just a few hundred civilians are said to be left there. if russia is in control, the city be can be used as a jumping off point to seize bakhmut, which is seen as a key hub for transporting plies. >> matt bradley is in west central ukraine. what is the latest on the fighting and if russia has, in fact, seized control of soledar is that a sign they're gaining momentum overall? >> reporter: if russia did get control of soledar and the ukrainians said they haven't but it looks as though if they haven't they are about to take

full control of soledar. if they do, it doesn't mean they have that much momentum you were talking about the importance of the salt mines of soledar and the proximity to the larger city of bakhmut. bakhmut which has been the focus of fighting for the past six months and we've seen hundreds maybe thousands of deaths there on both sides. we've heard from american officials, the white house and ukrainian officials saying both of these cities aren't really that strategically important. it begs the question why have the russians been focussing their fighting and death, both civilians and military on these cities in the eastern part of the country. we know that russia wants to take the donbas region and these two places are important for taking donbas. you mentioned the salt mines and those are important. bakhmut has importance around the donbas region. but the amount of force focused here, it is an outsized place in

terms of death and destruction. people i've been speaking to here, including a member of ukrainian intelligence said one clue is who's been doing the fighting. the bulk of this if not all of it on the russian side is done by a private military contract,er, a private army, a private oligarch. and some of these soldier, his private army, who many were recruited from prison with the promise of pardons. he's been leading these men to slaughter. they call them here in ukraine meat waves the style of fighting where he throws men at the oncoming troops. it looks as though he's trying to use bakhmut to ascend the ranks of the kremlin himself over the corpses of his own men. >> matt bradley, vivid reporting, thank you.

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japanese prime minister arrived at the white house to meet with president biden. they're headed to the oval office right now, they have a lot to talk about, among other things they're expected to discuss expanded security efforts to deal with concerns of threats from countries like china and north korea. we'll keep you posted on that. more calls for george santos to resign his seat in congress. a rally against him this morning happened outside his queens district office. and at least eight house republicans are urging him to step down. santos, though, remains defiant sitting down with congressman matt gaetz. >> i came to serve the people not politicians and party leaders i'm going to do that. i was elected by 142,000 people until they tell me they don't want me, we'll find out in two years. >> let's bring in ali vitali on

capitol hill, michael steele is back, and charles coleman is a former brooklyn prosecutor. the eight congressional republicans calling on santos to resign include all the freshman house republicans if -- from his home state. what are you hearing on the hill? >> you can consider the freshman delegation from new york the majority makers on congress. you look at the way the republicans made gains on the map in 2022, that's the way i think about it. so santos is part of the group but everyone he came in with is saying they think he should resign. we're not hearing the calls from republican leadership. they're saying he has to rebuild trust, his committee assignments are not the "a" assignments the top committees that people want to get assigned to here. and additionally they're going to let it play out in the ethics committee and in the eyes of

voters. so when santos came out and said he's here to serve the 142,000 people who elected him, a pretty good chunk that we hear from them are upset the person they thought they voted for is not the person he claimed to be. that's one of the cruxes of this is the lies about a resume but then the potential legal exposure here both on campaign finance where the money was coming from, all of these different things that are now starting to bubble on the state and federal level in terms of investigations. it's not a question of this person fabricated their entire resume, there's some possible criminal exposure here too which could also be problematic. as things stand right now, chris, you have eight republicans saying he should resign, none of them in leadership and that leads us to wait. >> as a percentage, you could argue, 8 out of 222 republicans

isn't much, michael. would you expect more republicans to say something? is there a tipping point you see? >> what i see is those eight republicans saying i can't -- we can't move forward on anything that you want until this is resolved. to ali's point you have eight people who are locked and loaded, use the leverage if you want him to go. but the short answer is, no, there's no cry among republicans for the removal of this guy. and, you know, his response is, again, a form of punking the system. saying, hey, i'm here because i want to be here and you can't do anything about it and 142,000 people put me here. to ali's reporting a lot of those folks don't want him there. so i say those 142,000 start the petition and send it to congress saying unseat him. remove him from committee assignments. if that's -- so send that message that way. the other side at the end of the

day is leadership. i recall a similar situation with some players back in the day when i worked with the leadership and john boehner had some problematic members and he made it clear, you either do a or that broom closet is your office. you either do b or those assignments you want ain't happening. there are pressure points and leverages that the speaker has -- but wait he gave away a lot of that. so he doesn't have the ability to affect the outcome here because he's got matt gaetz sitting there looking at him, what you gonna do about it? absolutely nothing. so this young man is in the seat as long as matt gaetz wants him there. and it's not about anything other than that simply in terms of of the politics of the moment because the speaker has the leverage to stand down a member. you can't take him out of the congress constitutionally but you can make his life awfully miserable to the point he

realizes there is no need for me to be here and that's not what mccarthy is prepared to do. >> so charles, i mean, one part of this obviously is the politics but there could be a far bigger problem for him, serious questions about his finances have been raised, including loans he said he made to his campaign that appeared to exceed his income, and "the new york times" is reporting on a mysterious unregistered fund that raised big money for santos and may have run afoul of campaign finance rules. here's santos' response? >> i've worked my entire life, lived an honest life, never been accused of any bad doing. so it's my -- it's the equity of my hardworking self and i've invested inside of me. >> but do you, charles, see any possible legal vulnerability here for santos? >> absolutely, chris. i agree with everything that michael and ali have said. but i think beyond the politics of the situation, for anyone

considering george santos' future in congress, you must keep in mind where there is smoke there is likely fire and there seems to be a lot of smoke lingering around his financial disclosures and everything else around campaign finance. i think it's important for viewers to understand in the past 150 years we've only seen two people expelled from congress one had criminal convictions. i think if you're talking about george santos and ultimately his potential for facing critical liability and indictment or prosecution around the violation of campaign finance laws or worse, some sort of financial evasion, that is perhaps the most straightforward pathway that we may see in terms of george santos being removed or expelled from congress. it does not appear as though any of the political mechanisms available to michael's point to the speaker are likely to be utilized or exercised with respect to him. so this is something he needs to pay close attention to and something not going to go away. >> thank you all so much.

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to this storm. one additional death here in alabama and another in georgia. we understand that it was a government worker. officials told us that as they continue to go through and look through the damage and really continue these search and rescue efforts they anticipate it's possible the death toll could rise further. what you're looking at behind me tells you why, it tells you how strong the storms are. this is a church here in selma. this is a church which was undergoing renovation before the storms came through. but now what was done with that renovation has been completely wiped out and some of the building that was already standing you can see has been torn apart. this is not just what we're seeing right here but this is a common scene if you go throughout downtown selma, looking street to street. these are areas littered with power poles, trees. officials were urging residents

to stay inside the roads were dangerous to try to pass. we also heard from people who had to ride out the storm, duck into cars, freezers. listen to what one couple told us. >> we jumped out the car, ran into lannys, got in the freezer and a lot of praying and calling on jesus. >> reporter: so chris, i think what's fair to say is that really we can turn our camera in almost any direction and you can see more examples of this dove station. this is a residential street, and if you look down, the ground is littered with power lines right here. we see this on this street, other streets we've looked at here in selma. another thing that's important to point out this was a wide track area, a lot of areas seeing damage like this, chris. >> blayne alexander, thank you so much. a sentencing hearing today in the trump organization fraud trial in new york. the major penalty that trump's

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a five month sentence after pleading guilty to his part in the scheme. was this sentence, this fine expected? you and i were having an animated conversation in the break, what is a lot of money to almost everyone in the world may not be such a hit for the trump org or anybody else in the corporate world. >> right. so the district attorney talked about that today and said in a statement maybe we need to revisit the laws in the state of new york for a company convicted like this is this a deterrent or more of a slap on the list. it was the maximum the judge could have gone with, $1,610,000 to be precise. i think any sense he would have prescribed less than the maximum went out the window on monday when he told allen weissleberg, the things and evidence i heard at the trial i found to be

offensive if i hadn't agreed with you to five months instead of the six, i would have given you the full six. so there was almost no question this judge was going to do anything less than the maximum and that's what they got. >> so they get fined $1.6 million. >> correct. >> can they write that off? >> depending on the taxes and how they structure it and what they put together, it is possible they could write that off, have tax advantages, companies have done that in the past. you look at the trump organization business empire, sure they've had to divest from things, reports they had issues with respect to the business after trump got into office, but either way you look at it, it's still a successful corporation, it's making money, so $1.6 million is probably not too much of a challenge for them. of course, the big part of this is this marks the end of the criminal chapter in the state of new york, at least out of the

manhattan district attorney's office. they say the investigation is ongoing but we see no indication of any outward investigative steps. perhaps michael cohen speaks with them, he told nicole wallace he might be getting a phone call from the da's office but we haven't seen it move beyond what we discussed. >> tom winter, thank you. have a great weekend. if you've seen something suspicious hovering in the air recently you're not alone. the pentagon said it received 366 new reports of u fo sightings since march of 2021 adding half were balloons or drones but the other half could not be identified and require further analysis due to their unusual flight characteristics including performing advanced flight maneuvers. the report says no u.s. aircraft has ever collided with the ufo and observing them has caused no adverse health effects so far. new market reaction as

earnings report tell us where the economy might be headed. we're live at the new york stock exchange next. and honoring the anniversary of the miracle on the hudson. the man behind that landing, captain sully sullenberger joins would you say next. would you say next

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breaking news out of the white house where we just heard from the president and the japanese prime minister. let's listen in ahead of their bilateral meeting. >> mr. prime minister, it's great to see you again. welcome. it's nice to have a close friend at the oval office again. we are in a remarkable moment in our lives. i can honestly say more as a student than a participant that it's been -- i don't think there's ever been a time that we were closer to japan, the united states. i'm going to stop so you can translate.

>> last year, in japan, you said to me, and i quote, we are two nations that share fundamental values. i couldn't agree with you more. we are. these shared democratic values are the source of our strength, source of our alliance, and the source of our being able to deliver for all. >> we're modernizing our modern military alliance, building on japan's historic increase in defense spending and new national security strategy.

>> the united states is fully, thoroughly, completely committed to the alliance. >> more importantly, to japan's defense. the defense of japan. >> working closely on tech and economic issues, including the indo-pacific economic framework. we're stepping up to hold putin accountable for his unprovoked war in ukraine. and i want to thank you -- thank you for your strong leadership on this from the very first conversation we had on this.

>> today i'm looking forward to how we can continue advancing our shared goals and values, including at the g7 summit in japan and the apec in san francisco later this year. >> the two men making statements about their shared interests in security issues. the japanese prime minister calling president biden my dear friend. there were shouted questions by members of the media, particularly about the documents that were found both at president biden's home in delaware and an office, but no questions were answered. we will continue it keep our eye on that. the ceo of delta says the glitch that delayed thousands of planes and stranded scores of passengers this week should be blamed on washington's unwillingness to improve the system that failed.

>> i lay this on the fact that we are not giving them the resources, the funding, the staffing, the tools, the technology that they need to modernize the technology system. hopefully, this will be the call to our political leaders in washington that we need to do better. >> delta is one of several major companies that reported its earnings this morning, giving us an outlook for the coming year. what are the earnings telling us about where the economy may be headed? >> that's the key question. this really marks this morning the unofficial start of earning season. with delta, you had the airline weathering the weather-related disruptions as well. saying they expect travel demand to remain strong, particularly leisure travel, even as labor costs are pressuring the stock today. it's the banks that reported -- jp morgan, bank of america --

you have executives saying they expect a mild recession this year. certainly, getting a lot of attention. you have jp morgan noting uncertainty around geopolitical tensions, food and energy supply, inflation. the federal reserve's move to tighten monetary policy. you have moynihan saying while he expects the recession to be mind, they are preparing for worse. overall, consumers continue to spend. businesses remain largely healthy. there's this growing sense from these financial firms that do so much activity, that touch so many parts of the economy, that there are challenges on the horizon and reasons to be cautious, at least right now, to kick off the year. >> morgan brennan, thank you. there is mounting frustration tied to the chaos and uncertainty in the nation's air travel industry. you heard the delta ceo talking about wednesday's faa technical

meltdown that halted all commercial domestic flights. southwest airlines had a crippling holiday nightmare. they canceled more than 16,000 flights. all of it coming as demand for travel remains sky high because the industry is trying to bounce back after nearly collapsing during the covid pandemic. our next guest is an expert on the airline industry. nearly 14 years ago, captain sully landed flight 1549 safely on the hudson river after the plane lost all engine power. all 155 passengers survived. the man behind the miracle on the hudson, captain sully, joins us now. it's very good to see you. i think i spoke to you 13 or 14 years ago for sure. it's good to see you again. it seems to me, when you are talking about the airline industry, there are a couple of buckets. one, the airlines. the other, the regulators. can we start with the airlines?

what does this industry need to do for customers to feel like they are better, they are more reliable, they can be trusted? >> chris, it's good to be with you again. i think in every industry, we have to have the right values. we have to understand what a strong business case there is for making capital investments in quality and safety. one of the things i have learned in my long career is that it is always better and ultimately cheaper to make the investments up front, to get it right, to have good investments in infrastructure and systems and in people rather than pay a greater price after a crisis. >> we do see so many people wanting to fly. then you have the faa, pilot safety alert system behind wednesday's debacle, that hasn't been updated this decades. i want to play for you something steve rattner, who has been

flying for 30 years, had to say today. >> if you go into the cockpit of any new plane today, even a tiny single engine plane, you will see vastly different equipment, more sophisticated, using all gps technology, things like that, in that cockpit. if you walk into an faa control tower today, you will see pretty much what you would have seen 30 years ago. >> how much of the frustration that flyers feel goes back to washington and where the federal government needs to start spending their money? what's your assessment? >> i would go back a step further. the american people need to be wise and informed voters. to vote for people to represent them in washington who have -- who understand that understand making investments will pay great dividends. we should be not -- we shouldn't be afraid of making large

investments that will rebuild systems rather than putting continual band-aids on an old system. >> it will be 14 years since the heroic landing. yesterday, the carolina aviation museum renamed. how could it be 14 years? i wonder how you reflect on that day and, frankly, yesterday and the wonderful honor you received. >> it is a wonderful honor. with the passage of time, i have increased appreciation for what was accomplished that day and not just be my crew and the rescuers and first responders and our air traffic controller, but by everyone involved. this happened at a time during the 2008/2009 financial meltdown. it seemed like everything was going wrong. people needed hope. this was a story that gave it to

us. >> do you keep in touch with any of those folks? do you keep in touch with the crew? have you heard from any of the passengers in recent years? has that tapered off as the years have gone by? >> i do keep in touch. of course, we have gone our own ways in the last 14 years. we are part of an extended family. we are the embodiment of our shared story. >> as a new yorker at the time, it's so vivid in my memory, the remarkable, remarkable day that it was and what you did. captain, thank you for taking the time to be with us. congratulations on the renaming of the museum. >> thank you. before we go, a quick programming note. on tuesday, there will be a national day of racial healing. msnbc town hall live from new orleans. they will discuss the recent rise in hate speech across america and how we make strides towards becoming a more just and equitable society. tuesday, 10 p.m. eastern on

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