developments on several fronts as we're coming on the air, a sign of an economic warning, the new formal investigation on the hill, and the deadly weather across the south. right now, we've got the treasury secretary sending dc scrambling, warning this afternoon that congress has to raise the debt ceiling by thursday. like six days from now. otherwise, there could be some real consequences. we have our team standing by live with more on that. also this mour, republicans now launching an investigation into president biden's handling of classified documents. the white house press secretary is facing down another day of tough questions. new reporting on the time line. and a day like today, several hours in, showing how bad the damage and destruction is across the south. nine people are dead, after severe storms in alabama and georgia. we have a live report coming up. i'm halle jackson in washington. and we have sahil kapur and neil

irwin joining us with. and kay la, i will start you with. at the windy white house there, as it relates to what we're hearing from the treasury secretary, and from cnbc language, to plain english here, what it means. >> well, it's significant because the treasury secretary is saying that as of early june, the federal government won't be able to pay its bills anymore. it's allowed by congress to borrow up to $31 trillion and change, but it's going to hit that number next thursday. after that point, treasury is going to be looking under couch cushions to try to finds some additional money. it will be pinching pennies. and it says it will stop contributing or investing into some federal workers retirement accounts, to try to conserve some of that cash in order to avoid reaching that debt limit, or not being able to pay for allies and adversaries that hold the u.s. debt. so certainly the treasury secretary is trying to call on congress and say we need a deal in the coming months.

i spoke to a senior white house official earlier today who said that a deal is likely not going to come together in the immediate term, that possibly, after mid april, when the treasury department receives corporate and individual tax forms, that it will know how much money is coming into the government, and exactly how much longer it can pay its bills, and that with that data, after that time, that it will be much more urgent to get a deal, and it will likely be able to present to congress terms of what such a deal would look like. the administration says that, you know, it believes that it should be a clean debt ceiling hike. that means it shouldn't be paired with any fiscally conservative policies, any demands to cut spending, that the director said that today and the press secretary said it in a briefing as well. here she is. >> we will not be doing any negotiation over the debt ceiling. we have seen both republicans

and democrats come together to deal with this issue. it is one of the basic items that congress has to deal with, and it should be done without conditions. so there is going to be, there's going to be no negotiation over it. there this is something that must get done. >> it has always been bipartisan. it should remain bipartisan. no one should be able to call into question the full faith and credit of the united states. last year, the treasury secretary said that maybe it would be a good thing to abolish this debt limit all together, and karine jean-he pierre said no one is talking about that now. >> and both chambers, chuck schumer and hakeem jeff ris say they got to work and the democrats want to quickly address the legislation, and there is no risk, or any chance of risking any catastrophic default. what is it like from the hill on the republican side of the aisle. >> getting elected speaker was the easy part for kevin mccarthy. what comes next specifically on

the debt limit is much more difficult, in part because many of the concessions he gave up were demanded by conservative hard liners in preparation for a major showdown over the debt limit. for one, the house rules eliminate the kind of end runs that the senate used most recently in 2021, to raise the debt limit, making it somewhat of an easier vote for their members. the conservative lawmakers who forced 14 humiliating defeats for kevin mccarthy on the house floor before finally electing him speaker. our team has spent the last couple of weeks talking to them. they want things like dollar for dollar spending cuts and balance the federal budget in ten years and extremely difficult if not impossible without tax increases or cuts to spending, and medicare and social security and food stamps and many say they should go down that road as part of the debt limit. and many see this as the major leverage point to force the democrat controlled senate and president biden to sign a bill that advances their conservative priorities. democrats have very different ideas, as you just pointed out,

senate majority leader chuck schumer and house minority leader hakeem jeffries put out a joint statement in the last few minutes saying by default forced by extreme maga republicans to plunge the country into deep recession and leads to higher costs on things like mortgages and car loans and credit card interest rate, they say they would need to quickly pass legislation so there is no risk of catastrophic default. they point back in 011 this fight happened and the u.s. ended up getting a credit downgrade for the first time in history just because of the kind of brinkmanship that spooked the market. they're insisting quick legislation, a quick deal, no conditions, that's going to put them on course with a serious collision with republicans. >> neil, talk about what that collision might mean, if in fact we can't get it done. in other words there is a lot at stake here, if this doesn't happen. >> there is. and exactly how things play out, if we reach the debt ceiling, and you know, there are

questions about the credit worthiness of the u.s. government and treasury bonds are in question, the bedrock of the global financial system, and social security payment goes out, things like that, so the threat here is very severe, and the threat is one of actually seismic economic and financial challenges, and the question is who blinks and when, and how they have kinds of a face-saving way to blink while not admitting that. the truth is, you know, the money has already been spent. the money has been allocated, the social security has been what it is, the defense spending has been appropriated. the question is, do you pass the thing that enables the debt issuance to match what is authorized and that is what it comes down through, through the spring summer and that's when it hits the end of the extraordinary measures that the treasury is doing to postpone the date of reckoning. >> kay la, let's pull out and talk about the broader economic climate.

and house republicans are taking a burn it all down look at government and jump ta posed with that, the economy in a fairly fragile state already, sky high inflation, maybe having peaked, there is a question mark on that, warnings of a potential recession, the white house obviously watching this closely, because there is a political context here as well. >> there is a political context. and halle, the trajectory over the economy in the coming months, before that spring summer deadline that neil was just referring to is very important for both sides here, because if the economy remains fragile or if it weakens further, that sudden, that bolstered the hand at the white house, arguing that there shouldn't be any additional measures attached to a pure raising of the debt limit. if the economy remains strong or strengthens from here, then that potentially strengthens the hands of republicans, who say we can take this to the brink, we can use the deadline as a way to extract the policies from the white house that we want, that president biden having said that nearly everything that the house

republicans put forward, he's going to veto. but if the economy is very strong, and they take this to the brink, then certainly that's something that we can see. >> thank you. just in the last hour, we've seen the republican-led house judiciary committee launching a new nefgs into the classified documents found in president biden's home, and his former office. in a letter to the attorney general, the now new judiciary chair, congressman jim jordan, says the chief concern is, i'm quoting here, that it is not clear when the department first came to learn about the existence of these documents and whether that knowledge was concealed ahead of the midterm elections. launching of the investigation comes a day after the attorney general has appointed a special prosecutor to look into the whole thing. with me now is nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake and mike memoli and the formal launching of the committee investigation is perhaps the least surprising thing, we could have expected to see happen, right over the course of last 18 hours and it

is likely that other committees will do the same, as the oversight committee has said they would do the same and this is something the republicans wanted to do since these revelations have come out. >> and i think the committees will want a piece of the pie and you point out the letter from the judiciary committee, they're focused on how the department of justice handled this whole episode. what about the u.s. attorney who is investigating the biden documents on the front end? how did the special counsel get appointed? what conversations were there inside the d.o.j. and with the biden white house about that. and the oversight committee has also sent a letter to the white house saying they want to know about the discussions that are happening within the white house. they tried to link it to their own investigation with hunter biden, pointing out that this latest document, or documents, plural, that were found at the biden's home in delaware were found at a home where hunter biden had once lived and asked an open-ended question about whether he would have had access to the documents and probably won't be the last. remember, we have yet to see

this weaponization of government committee that was created by this new house majority, staffed up, populated with members, they might want a piece of this too, and the house intel committee has asked for a briefing on these documents, they are by division a select committee less partisan than other committees but depends what they hear, they too may want to conduct their own investigation. so a significant interest here from the new house republican majority in getting to the bottom of the document story here, at least as it pertains to president biden and his classified documents. >> right. mike, i'll go to you the the second day in a row we've seen karine jean-pierre in a position to having to defend the white house and tense back and forth with the reporters in the briefing room all as it relates to the question of transparency, when they knew what they do and when they shared it. >> yes, that's right, hallie. i mean broadly speaking, and you know this from your time as a white house correspondent, the

press corps's definition of what transparency means is often very different from the white house's view of transparency and that is especially true when we're talking about a legal investigation into the conduct of the president over the years, and so what we're seeing now on daily display in the briefings is reporters asking specific questions and karine jean-pierre generally reading from very carefully preened talking points. i understand from sources familiar with the deliberations, the logic behind it is this, that they believe by injecting more information in response to the granular questions they can be seen as interfering with an ongoing review, investigation, as it stands right now. and we heard that principle articulated again today by karine jean-pierre about the fire wall between the white house and the justice department. take a listen. >> there is independence in the

department of justice. that's what we're doing, when we say we're going to rear are refer you to the department of justice, that is restoring independence as it relates to issues like this and that is important to the president. and it's been consistent. what i'm saying about investigations has been consistent for the last two years. >> now, hallie, what we've seen so far, as far as the pattern is that as these organizations are breaking new details about this, then we have getting statements from the white house council's office, that was the case our own reporting about the second batch of documents that was found. what we're looking forward to now is just a few minutes ago, a marine helicopter landed on the south lawn behind me, and we know what that means. chopper talk. >> questions. >> in a half hour or so, president biden will be leaving the white house to head up to delaware for the weekend, and we certainly hope he might stop and take some questions again from us. >> if he does, we will play it back live, if it happens here while we're on the air. thank you very much. great to see you both. coming up some exclusive reporting from nbc news on the

new care being offered to veterans in crisis. we'll take you live to the pentagon straight ahead. plus, with republicans now in control of the house, new details on how they plan to tackle the crypto industry. we're going to get into that in just a little bit. but first, dozens of tornadoes tearing through the south, killing at least nine people. morgan chessky is live in alabama. >> reporter: communities across alabama mourning lives lost as dozens of others beginning the painstaking process of trying to figure out who is left after a heart-breaking twister. more in 60 seconds.

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up to 42 tornadoes across that state. with more than 15,000 homes and businesses still without power. nbc's morgan chesky is covering this for us now in alabama. morgan, talk to us about what you're seeing and what you're hearing. >> reporter: yes, hallie, good afternoon. it is a tough day for so many here in alabama. we do know that we've seen devastating pictures out of selma, which has tens of thousands of people without power, and dozens of buildings destroyed here. but i am in an area where it was hit after the tornado truck selma and this is unfortunately where we saw at least seven people lost their lives throughout the communities in this county as a result of the fast-moving storm. as we pull out now, you can see what is left of one home, blodge can to the johnson family. -- belonging to the johnson family. there were two people believe it or not inside this home when the tornado moved in yesterday and that was amber and her 2-year-old son james. and they originally took shelter in a bathtub.

when the home originally stood about 30 feet that way. and when this storm struck, hallie, they were thrown along with all of this debris, and somehow miraculously survived. they stood up and opened their eyes and suddenly outside. they did have to go to the hospital for a few stitches but they came out today and shared their story. unfortunately, though, their story, one of the bright spots on a tough day, because they know community members not too far away from where we are that did lose their lives, as a result of this storm. and this twister, just one of several national weather service is out today surveying the damage to get an exact number on how many tornadoes actually touched down, and the devastation, it just is beyond plain to see, and heartbreaking really, as you see them go through the wreckage here, trying to figure out what if anything they can salvage. >> it is just tough to see. morgan, live for us in alabama. thank you very much. appreciate it.

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week still ignoring the calls for him to step down saying his constituents, the people who voted him in before they found out he lied about a bunch of stuff will be the ones to give him the boot and many constituents rallying in long island are asking him to do just that. >> we need him gone. he can't be here for the two years that it will take for an ethics investigation. >> he is not helping long island. >> we will not stand for this. >> and george solis is in the home district of long island for george santos and we're also joined by ali vitali. what are you hearing? >> good afternoon, hallie. the where's george campaign a play off of where's waldo but it is not child's play, but people are serious about ousting the congressman in the district and they want to find him here in the district and plaster him all

over social media to pressure him to resign and he has not been in the district office which is closed, the lights are on right now, but his aides here say they have no idea if he will show today or any time during the next couple of weeks. but that being said, the rally here today, people are saying you have got to go, you misled is, the people you sold us on is who you not ended up being, there are investigations, there are falsehoods, there are fabrications, all of this building to a sense of identity crisis for the people here who are confused by the guy that is now representing them. and of course, now they are hoping that he will do the right thing and resign, but of course, we're seeing that there is absolutely no indication whether he will go ahead and do that. so as we have been listening to some of these people today, take a listen to what other people have been saying about their hopes that george santos will resign. >> he's not representing him. we don't know who he is. >> kick him out in two years but i would rather see him in there an serve his team and vote with

the republicans. >> i want him out. prosecuted. >> for all of the opposition we heard, we heard to one george santos supporter who stopped by the office saying i want this guy to do his two years and the only way to step down is if he is convicted of any crime, or wrong doing. of course, that is what we're waiting to see as part of this long ethics investigation, or any other criminal investigation that may be coming down the pipeline. >> george solis, thank you. ali, we'll go to you. the vibe is the house won't oust george santos because kevin mccarthy would like to keep his republican majority and doesn't want it to get thinner. >> that is the unspoken reason but many republicans that i have spoken to point out that democrats didn't object to santos being seated and now here he is, a member of congress. well, mccarthy and others and other leadership have pointed to

that santos has to rebuild trust and that's what we've gotten the past few days and point together fact that he is not serving on any "a" committees which are the top committees that have the most influence here in congress. okay, but the political realities are ones that we have to point out which is exactly what you said. they have a very slim majority as it exists right now, and they don't want to push out george santos and leave an open seat in an area that will probably, and as george is showing us on the graph, there is a lot of anger against santos. and what that election could end up being is a referendum on a guy who fabricated his entire resume and it could put democrats in a position to win that seat on long island. that's why we're not seeing a mass movement from republicans, and that being said, every other freshman from the new york delegation has said that santos should step down. and that's not a very large number. there's only eight total republicans saying that he should leave congress. but nevertheless, it's a sign that we will be watching if that

drumbeat becomes louder over the course of time. but i think make no mistake about it, as republicans are trying to put together what their majority is going to look like, all of these pieces of oversight, the investigation, this is something that will continuously dog them and detract from their larger message. they will try to push ahead and people are still asking about george santos. >> that's for sure. george, back to you in the district there. what comes next here? what's next for folks who you've been talking to? what do they want to see if this doesn't get a response? >> people are saying, look, if he ends up making base here, we will hear him out. but make no mistake people here are angry and they want him to answer against some of the allegations that are levied against him and at the very least they want an apology, a more formal apology for all of the fabrications and falsehoods but people are skeptical, and they're saying look, they heard that sound bite with him saying it will take 142,000

constituents, and at this point, we have no reason to believe that he would even make good, if for some reason that actually happens. what they want is for him to step down, and for a special election to take place, so best interests of the district will be represented. >> thank you. let's bring you now over to manhattan, new york, work the trump organization is getting hit today with $1.6 million in fines. it is part of a sentence for a 15-year tax fraud scheme. the prosecutors say top executives orchestrated out of pure greed, and the company says it will appeal, all of it. coming after allen weisselberg, the company's long-time cfo was sentenced to five months in jail earlier this week. i want to bring in nbc news investigative correspondent tom winters. $1.6 million. a lot of us, that's a lot of money. for the company, it is kind of a drop in the bucket here. what's next? >> right. and follow the chatter about how the fact that the trump organization has to divest properties, and that they are businesses, that they have been hurt over the past several years at the end of the day, your

point, hallie, 1 million, 610,000 dollars is the exact amount, it probably doesn't hurt them very much at all. as far as what is next for them, i think that is the question everybody is asking, and this concludes for now the criminal process in new york city and new york state as it pertains to the trump organization, and the former president and his family. of course, there is the attorney general's office investigation and case that is a civil case that they filed, that does directly impact the company. the former president himself as well as his children. so that is a separate issue. but nobody's going to be handcuffed over that. now the manhattan district attorney says the investigation is ongoing. he said that in multiple interviews with msnbc, over the course of the past several weeks and months, since the weisselberg, excuse me, the trump organization conviction, however we have seen no outward signs that that investigation has made any new steps. we haven't heard about new subpoenas or new witnesses being called. so i think that is something we

will continue to watch over the coming weeks. he says that there's a lot of activity that may be occurring behind the scenes. that's what his people say. others think that he is perhaps keeping this in the headlines for now, and doesn't want to put a point on it. but it is something that he's promised to continue to take a look at. of course, he does have something that now we all have, but for a long time, was not public, which is of course, the president's taxes, and perhaps more importantly, for an investigator, the documents underneath him. so that's where things stand now for the former president from a criminal aspect. and obviously, he continues to have an inquiry in georgia and the grand jury report that has been finalized there, and obviously we know what is going on with respect to mar-a-lago, and the special counsel. so that is all separate. but from the new york perspective for now, there's nothing on the immediate radar, hallie. >> tom winter, thank you very much, good to see you. after the break, exclusive reporting on a new free program being offered to veterans in crisis. and russia gets its first

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and it comes as we're seeing a ton of chaos inside the cryptocurrency, mostly with ftx, and the ethics collapse, that exchange, the ongoing bankruptcy saga we've been talking about as it relates to sam bankman-fried. we want to bring in julie tsirkin. and one thing to create a panel to regulate something like crypto and it is another thing to actually do it because will are some parallels to big tech, right? congress has been talking about on regulations on for example big tech for years, nothing with teeth has gone into place. what makes us think that crypto regulation is going to be any different? >> because it is bipartisan anger over this issue and it is one of the rare areas of compromise that we're seeing not only bipartisan and bicameral, and in the senate, in addition to the house, a big expansive effort last summer to really address this industry, regulate it, and even figure out who has jurisdiction over crypto. that's a big problem here. when it comes to great lakesing it. and so when you look at this house panel, which is not only

the first of this congress, this is the first time any sub committee of any kind has been created to specifically focus on fin-tech and digital assets and what they're planning to do, provide clear rules of road, develop policies and provide best practices and this is under the jurisdiction of the financial services committee in the house. there are republicans who have long been interested in this space. the chairman of the committee will now lead these efforts. and remember, democrats in the senate with now subpoena power, including sherrod brown, the chairman of the banking committee, said that he plans to flex those muscles and use it, and guessed 100% right that these things take a long time for congress to get around to and i remember on the senate floor, the infrastructure bill debate in 21, they started talking about crypto regulation in that bill, and now there is movement and once they come back at the end of january, there will be a full court press to

try to make this happen. >> live for us on the hill with the breakdown, thank you as always, great to see you. as we look at the martin luther king jr. day, a new tribute for the civil rights champion and his wife, coretta scott king unveiled in boston today. we spoke with the artist and members of the king family. >> a new day is dawning in boston. a sculpture unveiled in boston common, called the embrace. it was inspired by a photo of dr. martin luther king and coretta scott king after he had been awarded the nobel peace prize in 1964. >> what is striking to me about it is, all of the images that you could have selected, you chose this one. >> when they met here, they, they were people full of dreams, full of ambitions and full of hope, and they chose to actually commit those dreams to one another, and to society, and that day was like proof that they had done it, it was all

worth it. >> that's right. the start of the dream is a love story, in boston, they were students and met on a blind date in 1951, they soon became inseparable and started their journey together toward a cause larger than themselves. with a sculpture, hank willis thomas stripped away everything but the embrace. >> not everyone has arms and hands, right, but all of us have the embrace. and all of us know what it is like to feel embraced. >> this work is a collaboration between thomas and the mass design group and beat out 125 other design proposals and the sculpture is made up of more than 620 pieces of bronze welded together in washington state, and shipped across the country in seven pieces, and then reassembled. the sculpture sits on a plaza on diamond shaped pieces of granite designed to honor the african

american quilt making tradition, featuring the names of local boston civil rights heroes. >> when you saw it for the first time, and fully installed here, what was your thinking? >> i cried like a baby. >> the executive director of embrace boston, which is behind the project. >> boston has had a, shall we say, a long and complicated relationship with race. how do you hope that this monument helps change that story? >> there is about 7 million people that visit boston common every year and they might hear a story about patriots, and they might hear a story about freedom and they might stumble across the monument and hear the story of king, and they might understand black people's place in this historic city. >> the location of the memorial is steps away from where dr. king gave a speech before 22,000 people in 1965. later today, martin luther king iii and his wife will be here for the unveiling. >> when you saw it for the first

time, what did you think? >> i thought this is a powerful image. sometimes we are afraid to embrace. but for dad and mom, to show us what embracing is, to have a manifestation of what they consistently did, it's that it really is about the manifestation of love. and da had obviously a love for his wife, and family and he had a love for humanity and so did mom. >> it is also a reminder of the legendary couple's early years in boston. >> i would imagine it was a sweetness to that time. it wasn't very long after they were married and after they left boston, and settled in montgomery, and then from there, until the end of his life in 1968, it was a very public life. >> that bond, now immortal, arms embraced, holding each other up. the dream. >> a lot of people see a heart.

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the change here is that now, veterans who are not enrolled in v.a. medical care are also eligible. in addition to that, all veds, whether you're in or out of that health care will have no fee. so no co-pays, no fees associated with. and what this will provide them is a free ambulance ride if necessary, no fees for that, 30 years of inpatient care, so suicidal crisis care, at a hospital, and then up to 90 days additional, for outpatient care. so again, this can be at both a v.a. facility, or a private facility, the v.a. will cover this. we have a statement from secretary of the v.a. dennis mcdonough about this and he said veterans in suicidal crisis can now receive the free, world-class, emergency health care they deserve, no matter where they need it, when they need it, or whether they're enrolled in v.a. care. this expansion of care will save veterans' lives and will is nothing more important than that. the officials that i spoke to

about this are very confident and optimistic that they're right about that, that this will actually save lives. one of the things that the v.a. found when they have been trying for years to address this crisis of suicide among veterans is that a number of veterans who did need care were hesitant to do it, the barrier being the cost. they were worried about the ambulance ride, they were worried about the prescription drugs, about the care at a hospital, and the hope is that with this new policy, that will break down that barrier. >> courtney kube, great reporting, glad too have you on the show with us. appreciate it. if you or someone you know is struggling, help is available. call the national suicide and prevention rife line, by dialing 988. again, that is 988. news happening overseas, russian forces are claiming pretty rare victory, at least these days, in ukraine, saying they captured the city of soledar after weeks of a lot of fighting according to the russian defense ministry. it is a breakthrough that could reopen the door of retaking the

donbas region and that is for moscow and ukraine is saying the city has fallen and saying they're still in the fight and nbc news has not been able to independently verify either claim but it would be the first big victory on the fattalfield for months if it is true, made reliance on a notorious group of mercenaries. matt bradley is joining us now from ukraine. talk through the significance of there and the way it may change the momentum here in this russian war of aggression on ukraine. >> reporter: yes, i mean it is interesting, hallie, we zeroed in on the significance of this, because actually, soledar isn't really that significant. we heard from the russian ministry of defense today that this is a city that will allow them to put themselves within striking distance of a much larger neighboring city, called bakhmut and that fighting has been going on for six months, one of the bloodiest defining battles of this war so far. and the real significance of

this is really the internal politics in moscow. kind of, you know, just the fighting between the different levels of officials. and that's why you saw 72 hours ago, the head of the wagner group, that is yevgeny prigozhin, he announced and was boasting that he had single handedly taken soledar days before the ministry of defense acknowledged it today, and he posted a picture of it with his men underneath, in the salt mines underneath the city, and then he loudly and triumphantly exclaimed that no one else, particularly from the ministry of defense, and this is considered a really insulting broadside against the military authorities in moscow, that no one else had helped him take it. so you know, this is really saying a lot less about the strategy and a lot more about prigozhin's own ambitions. the reason his group has been focusing on this peculiar little town has more to do with him

seeing this as a point of ambition for him to rise in the ranks. i've spoken with a ukrainian intelligence official in kyiv about his ambitions. >> he is doing all of this in soledar and bakhmut in order to further his own political ambitions. >> i would say that's the case. in particular, strengthening his position in operators that surround putin. this is his only way to survive in the russian federation. >> reporter: you know, this whole battle has broken all of the infighting in moscow out into the open. he had been bragging he had taken this and he was complaining in the media in russia and the russian ministry of defense had been claiming pride for themselves rather than his own private army, which is mostly stocked with criminals and convicts recruited out of

prison with the help or the promise of a pardon. he had been sending these men, who had nothing else to lose, headlong into ukrainian defenses and killing them by what looked like the hundreds. they were expendable men. we heard from the ministry of defense. they made an announcement in text saying for the first time, acknowledging the name wagner. we had not heard that before because private military groups are illegal in russia, even though this group has been leading the fight not just in soledar but in bakhmut. that name is one to watch because when it comes to the fighting inside russia, inside moscow, and we can only look at that through a peephole through thing like this, that's somebody who you're going to watch. he's on the ups and really he's climbing the ranks and climbing in esteem by stepping on the backs of the corpses of his own men from his own private army. >> so glad you're there on the ground bringing us that

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to have a small child, a toddler, who has asthma. >> reporter: her 2-year-old son used to need an inhaler. when they moved to a home with all electric appliances, her son's respiratory issuesism proved almost instantly. was it exposure to a gas appliance? >> that was one big thing we changed. >> reporter: while the agency are looking for ways to reduce indoor air quality, they are not looking to ban gas stoves. still, states like california and new york are already moving toward prohibiting the sale of new gas appliances by 2030 in an effort to reduce emissions. >> i think this is ridiculous mostly because i hate cooking with electric stoves. >> reporter: but experts say a nationwide ban is improbable. >> it's extraordinarily unlikely that any future ban would

require somebody to replace an existing appliance. we're talk about new construction, residential developments. >> reporter: what are the pros and cons of different stoves from gas and electric to newer induction technology? >> a lot of people, again, grew up with gas, are comfortable with it. >> reporter: jeff from aggressive appliances in orlando says electric and induction stove tops are not just safer but more efficient. even if there's less than panache than cooking on an open flame. >> every chef in the world is going to kill me but i would say induction is faster, easier to clean up. sam, we're going to washington and we're telling the politicians we have a solution -- buy induction. everybody can be happy. >> sam brock, nbc news. >> that does it for this hour of msnbc. find us on twitter. on our streaming channel for nbc news, 5:00 eastern. see you there. "deadline" is after the break.

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