would have to be the way for i'm. john kelly is someone that could've donald on bolton dad and written a book john kelly somebody could've gone out on national television and done interviews. we haven't seen or heard from john kelly. which is sort of remarkable and which is why i was so intrigued to try and tell his story. because i think it's so central and i was just in awe of what this man went through in the pain he entered which i learned about in the process. >> michael schmidt, his book donald videotapes comes out in paperback this tuesday. thank you so. much picking up tuesday, tune into msnbc at 10 pm that night for a special event in new orleans the national day of racial healing town hall. it's hosted by joy reid, remain lead, and myself. we'll be talking about the recent rise in hate speech across america. -- coming a more just, equitable society. it's live on tuesday at 10 pm eastern on msnbc.

streaming on peacock. alex wagner tonight starts right now with my friend, mehdi hassan, in four. alex >> good evening, and thank you, chris. and thanks to you at home for being with us. alex has the night off. here is a question for you, do you recognize this man. do you know who this guy is? >> the president bears responsibility from wednesdays attack on congress by mob rioters, he should have immediately denounced the mob, when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action, on president trump. >> now, i know that visibly it's very clearly republican speaker of the house kevin mccarthy. but can you imagine which world which kevin mccarthy we need today, speaker mccarthy would openly blame donald trump for january the 6th? as hard as it is to believe, kevin mccarthy really did say those things about donald trump. exactly two years ago today.

and he said on the occasion of donald trump's impeachment, his second impeachment for trying to overturn the election in 2020. he said it exactly to -- it's an on mile still to hit for our country, it's especially odd when the same kevin mccarthy who once blamed iran for january the six is now saying a speaker he'd be willing to look into ways to expunge donald trump's impeachment. now, i do think it's important to remember today that even though donald trump hasn't yet been held criminally liable for january the 6th. the former president has still founded self and a deep well of legal trouble since he left office. we know that in the state of georgia the former presidents currently under criminal investigation for trying to cajole the georgia tech understated flipping the 2020 election results there. in his favor. there's also multiple ongoing criminal investigations into the former presidents businesses, just today, the trump organization was ordered to pay a steep financial penalty after the company was found guilty of felony tax

fraud. there's the ongoing justice department, the investigation into january the, six with a special counsel jack smith is investigating whether anyone committed a crime. by trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, also under the special counsel's view, is of course the trump documents investigation. about whether donald trump mishandled classified information by storing a trove of top secret government documents at his florida beach club, and pretending they were his. now let's pause here for a second, as i'm sure you are well aware. it's recently been discovered, that the current president joe biden, also had several classified documents improperly kept at the office first thing tank. and at his delaware home. documents from the time he was vice president, right after -- joe biden's lawyers after discovering the documents at his office. a lead -- turned over the documents, and searched all of joe biden's offices and properties to make

sure there are no other classified documents, accidentally being stored. they're on donald trump's and, the federal government repeatedly asked trump's team to turn over classified documents they believe were being improperly how at mar-a-lago. donald trump resisted turning over those documents. to get them back, the justice department passer than with a search warrant. to secure that warrant, the fbi told the judge, that they expected to find evidence of obstruction. by the former president at mar-a-lago. , so let's stop comparing or equating biden and trump. but there is one other really important difference between these two stories. it's the reason why i want to spend a few minutes laying out all the different criminal investigations into donald trump right now. the difference being, only one of these two guys walks around every day carrying the stench of multiple criminal investigations. context matters. despite the vast false equivalency,'s attorney general merrick garland went out and appointed a special catholic to

investigate joe biden's -- classified. formation and that special counsel, isn't as any lawyer, oh no his name is robert -- a lifelong republican -- [interpreter] william rehnquist. he's attended federal society events, and was a trump administration appointee. that's the guy merrick arland pick to stick on joe biden. here's the thing, as hard as mark arland trying to be in partisan, as hard as he's trying to appear not treating joe biden any differently and the doj's treating donald. trump garland isn't actually treating them the same at all. more than a year and a half passes the national archives first raised the issue of classified arguments atlanta logo. before merrick arland even gotten around to picking a special counsel to investigate further. and yet it took garlands 72 days to assign a special counsel to biden, after biden seemed first alert of the national archive. talking points memo points out

today, that -- garland is carrying on with a long tradition of democrats in office picking republicans to either around the fbi, or do special counsel investigations. did you, know there's never been a democrat appointed to the fbi director? anytime a democratic president gets the chance to pick an fbi director, they pick a republican. republicans, do not reciprocate. you'll be shocked to hear. do you think a republican a.g. working for donald trump would've picked and democratic special counsel to investigate, say three clinton or barack obama. and if mare garland really is trying to appease the right, with what he sees as a non partisan picked, to run the biden documents investigation,, well it isn't working. listen to trump ally kash patel, explain what he thinks of the republican who merrick garland pick to investigate biden. >> this guy is a swathe monster

of the tier one level. a government gangster. he's now -- crime scene cover-up. >> in terms of the republicans in congress, meanwhile rather than rely on the swamp monster special counsel they're running their own investigation. newly minted house jim jordan, announced the first order of business for his committee will be investigating biden's handling of classified material. short of putting donald trump himself in charge of running the biden investigation. there is no candor, merrick garland can pick who is satisfied republicans, or stopped them from accusing the justice department of unfairly running these investigations. so, what then was the point of garland picking one of their own guys? and when will democrats talk trying to appease the right, because you can't. joining us now is harry lippman, former deputy assistant attorney general and u.s. attorney for the western district of pennsylvania. harry, thanks for being here tonight. my first question to you, is

was garlands hand force when he made the choice to put the matter first in the hands of a different -- john laotian, who recommended to garland that he appoint the special counsel. i wonder if he boxed him self into a corner. doesn't make sense to you given a lot of people saying, there's no evidence of any underlying criminality in the biden case. >> that's really the number one point, mehdi, people are saying what's, forests through once the law says damn unit to do, it it's very difficult for him not to but the ladder of the lie, is that you appoint someone when they're a criminal investigation is warranted. as you, said there's not a scintilla of evidence that biden has done anything wrong much less criminal. and if somebody has, if there's some sort of mid level staffer from his old office, you don't need a special counsel for that. my short answer is, he did it for political reasons. it doesn't make it bad, it

might have been that it was all in all savvy, but it was not strictly by the book. which is how we thought about garland in the past. >> so, let me just ask a very straight question, henry, if there was no investigation into trump in mar-a-lago right now, whether be an investigation into joe biden? >> no, i don't think so. and it's a great, played on the other hand of course this is the hand that he in the administration have been dialed. there certainly, ride her as a hard charger, a staunch republican on the other hand, there are so nothing there for biden. and i think garland cannon to separate and sort of subtext here that others haven't remarked on so much. he's gonna take the recommendations of the professionals he appoints. i think that's mean that jack smith will unfairly short order recommend george's at mar-a-lago. and that robert hur will

recommend nothing in the biden case. that could be wrong, because there's independent counsels. have a way of kind of go, becoming their own sort of story, branching out to others, et cetera. he's gonna take a long time i think to get a staff together. this could hover over the white house for a while. nevertheless, i think that garland anticipates will be in a position down the line to say i, did what her recommended, i did with smith recommended. and that will equate to trump charges and no biden charges. >> it's fascinating what you're seeing there about the likelihood. to be clear, you believe that appointing her to investigate biden -- increases not decreases the chance of jack smith recommending criminal charges against donald trump? >> i'd say it doesn't have any effect. when hopes it doesn't have any effect, but smith is already

well down the line. and there's a lot of reason to think this kind of reading the tea leaves that he's pointing in the direction of charges. i think the notion is that they're both -- separate victims if you. well that's a question that's provoking a lot of attention. doesn't make it more likely, less likely, i think it makes it neither one nor the other. but of, course the way things are going independently. >> harry, last question to, you just to be clear on the law here. all i heard about loss agatha -- from trump defenders, it's all about intent. you need to prove intent. and trump basically came out and infect -- my documents, to give them back to. me there's no evidence of intent on joe biden's part. >> there is not only no evidence of intent, there's no evidence of knowledge. i find it inconceivable that he's gonna be subject to criminal charges and for that reason, i think you need to say that this -- driven by more than the letter of the law.

>> yes, indeed. harry -- former u.s. attorney for the western district of pennsylvania, always a pleasure. joining us now is congressman eric swalwell, who served on the house intelligence committee in the 117th congress, democratic congressman from california, thanks for joining us. do you agree with the appointment of a special counsel in this biden classified documents investigation, you just heard harry lippman saying, that it was in a position from someone who claims not to be a political -- ? >> sure, mehdi, i do agree. to harry's point, i think you're gonna find that there's nothing there. it looks inadvertent, they're cooperating. treat them both the same. that's what we all want. i do also agree with your point though. that too often democrats want to stand so virtuous on mount olympus. i often tell folks that we fight with one hand tied behind our backs.

and it's the upper hand. and so, i think sometimes we think that by doing these exercises it's going to please republicans, it's not, my colleagues are attacking mr. hur, saying he used to work with chris way. who by the way, was appointed by george bush, and donald trump. >> don't forget, the person who famously went after trump robert mueller a lifelong republican. i'm glad you preemptive my next question. which was gonna be why democrats keep appointing red right wingers. let's talk about jim jordan, who wrote a letter to mary garland today announcing days lodging his own investigation into the house judiciary by the house judiciary pretty into the biden documents these are the same republicans who didn't care about documents up until a few hours ago. that's what they said before the biden documents were discovered, they don't care about improperly stored documents.

what's the real motivation, what do republicans get out of that? >> they're forming a law firm to defend riders at the capitol. they should call it interruption llc. that's what it looks like, mehdi. jim jordan doesn't care about documents he also doesn't care about voters because the message the voters sent this last election was that they want us to focus on delivering when it comes to lowering health care costs, investing infrastructure, keeping kids safe, and that they don't want -- rejected extremism all over the country. and then here they're doubling down on extremism. what you're gonna see is a three pronged approach, from democrats, one we're going to discredit jordan every step of the way. to make sure they have zero credibility. will debunk all of the lies thrown with the biden administration. we're gonna show that if we were in the majority what we'd -- health care, infrastructure, women's reproductive rights, protecting our kids.

that's gonna be a winning message. >> congressman how can you second of focus on issues that americans care about, when they're ultra focused on the existential threat to our gas stoves? which will be talking about later on the show. let me ask you this more importantly, which is -- >> matty, if i look sorts look as i spent the afternoon removing stoves from all the republicans on my block. but i have more energy now. >> which has one of the highest rates of gas stave ownership. blue state california. let me ask you, this we all agree that the biden cases in similar to the trump case. but you must have gotten away like a lot of democrats when you saw the news, oh my god the presidents got these documents in his garage -- ? >> of course. we know that the republicans won't be honest brokers about it. we'll try to give us false equivalence to donald trump in the past credible hundred $50 million of taxpayer assistance

to ukraine. for his own benefits in the election. someone who truly leverage -- but that's where we are right now. and again, that's why we need to discredit, debunked, defend, and show them what we do when we're in the majority. i'm bring competency over. chaos >> quick last craftsman, the new speaker of the house kevin mccarthy's threatening to kick you off important committees. what's the status of that threat? will you keep your seat on the intelligence committee? >> well, i hope. so it's bipartisan. committee we've delivered a unanimous one -- reauthorization of the intelligence authorization act. but, many, his weaponizing the committee that's never been weaponized before. politically, at a vengeance. and by the, way's fund raising of. his death threats come into me, my children, and we tell him he's bringing death threats to our children with the lies the. spreading he sent 20

fund-raisers in the last two days trying to raise money off of kicking me off the committee. it isn't about anything substantial, it's pure political vengeance. >> eric swalwell, democratic california, thank you for. time's already here about those threats. >> appreciate, that. mehdi >> much more ahead this hour, despite multiple quarrel calls resignation, serial liar george santos refuses to resign. and really, why shady. we'll take a look at how he really fits right in with today's republican party. and which people are actually responsible for the few proven examples of the voter fraud that donald trump is always ranting about? i'll give you one guess. stick around for the answer. ound for the answer. your heart is the beat of life. if you have heart failure, entrust your heart to entresto. entresto helps improve your heart's ability to pump blood to the body. don't take entresto if pregnant;

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>> when it comes to republican congressman george santos's campaign spending. there's a lot of fishy expenses. there's a 40,000 spent on air travel in a local election. there's 30,000 dollar spent on hotels in places like tennessee, virginia, texas, florida, california, kansas, and michigan. again, and a local new york election. and the $11,000 that appears to have potentially paid for santa says that one rant. during his campaign. the expenses of santos that

campaign finance expert raise the most red flag, is the more than 30 expenses that came out to a total of $199, and 99. sense all convenient single penny short of the 200 threshold, for the fcc requires you to keep your receipts to prove you actually spent the campaign money how you claimed. most of these hundred $99.99 cent expenses claim to be from places like, best buy, staples, or uber. it's an infinite number of possibilities as to exactly what santos are's team or buying, or how far his drive lies. but seven of those miraculous hundred 99 dollar and 99 said charges were supposedly at this italian restaurant in queens. so, what are the odds of getting that exact tab there. thanks to some interrupted reporting by slate, we know they're not good. last, night alex a dinner at this italian restaurant. what the explicit target a trying to get a below there of

$199.99. santos. style these orders of all is, cheeses, squash blossoms, -- word because that's what he wanted to event. because he was specifically crafting's order to get as close as possible to that magic number on the santos bell. and even with that much effort, alex could not do. at his bill came out to $194.89, and with 12 blow well past the 200 threshold. today, i watchdog it is asian called accountable dot u.s. filed complaint against george santos, -- misuse campaign funds for personal expenses. that's the second fcc complaint filed against santos this week. it comes on top of eight's fellow republicans in congress calling him to resign this week. and his local nassau county republican party telling him explicitly, he's not welcome at any of their events and they want him to resign as well. that's all well and good, but here is what i don't quite get.

why is the entire political world trading george santos and his lies as such an anomaly. why are we acted like he's that different to a whole host of other republican politicians. take former president trump, who lied about everything, not just the size of his rallies, or the election result, a personal. stuff santos style stop. for, example falsely claiming he was top of his class at walton business school, he wasn't. and inflating the size of as wealth and valuable. does he live more than 30,000 times while in office. former north carolina gop congressman madison cawthorn, remember, when he lied about getting into the naval academy. former georgia republic santa candidate, herschel walker, lied about being a police officer. most republicans that ran for statewide office last year publicly stated they believed the big lie, that trump actually won the 2020 election. i can go on and on. but you get the point. the maga lead republican party today is filled with cereal fabulous. and why wouldn't it be.

it's the logical end point of being a party totally in hawk to one donald j trump. tonight here of times reports that as early as november of 2021, a circle -- of santos's back story was riddled with lies. the times reports that in december 2021, incentives this -- emergency conference call to prevent mr. santos with a choice, bow out of the race with dignity or stay in address letting democrats turn up the same information and use it to destroy his political and personal future. when santos was then refused to examine -- most of his team quiet. it was a year before santos got elected to congress. and somehow none of the republicans were in the. know that he was a fraud. that would be a good idea to speak up. . next is less about fontes and more about the state of the republican party. in the words of my, friend would jot ali, george santos is right where he belongs. joining us now is --

reiter from medium. what job, thanks for being with. us first of, all can i get your reaction tonight's reporting in the times. that leads the small circle of new york republicans knew that santos was a fraud. and a. liar for over a year and they didn't say anything? >> wow, like i said the awesome sensational fabulous george santos also known as alexander -- anthony devolve or and sparred. a and before the president of estonia the high and george santos is right where he belongs. because yes, even though some of his republican colleagues from nassau county have asked for him to resign. we know that kevin mccarthy, house majority leader, the spineless amoeba of a man, earlier this week said, nobody's perfect, when asked about santos he said, innocent dull proven guilty, because mccarthy needs a full vote majority. george santos, a man whose lied about being jewish, lied about his being married to a win, i'm lied about his mother dining in --

investigations both of the federal and local levels. he says why should i quit. adam following in the footsteps of the leader of the maga party. and yes, even though he's weekend. donald trump still the leader. who by the way as you said, he's live more than 30,000 times in his presidency. i should say this, not just lives but committed fraud. just this week, at trump organization as to give 1.6 million -- so, if they still follow donald trump as a leader of maga. if i'm george santos, i'm like, why should i resign. i'm right where i belong. >>,. -- , in response to pause for affirmation. and he's denying allegations -- he strolling. check them out yesterday with matt gates on steve bannon show, have a listen. >> one of the principal critics

i've heard is that a lot of money was donated of campaign by >> -- 700,000. where did it come? from >> a leeward income. from undoing from china, ukraine, or how about that. >> boom, boom, boom has that for a maga checklist. will that strategy merck. well the maga base rally around him and say he's one of. ours we need to defend them blindly. >> kevin mccarthy says he's fine. like i said, they need is for. -- this company called red, stonecutting by the way, mehdi, took millions of dollars from republican donors. and they haven't filed with the fcc they don't know where the money is gone. so, that investigation could actually expose george santos to criminal liability and like you said these republicans a small influential group of republicans according to the

new york times nunes and kept quiet so if they kept quiet about donald trump a violent insurrection as he was impeached twice. a man who lives with his every breath why would george santos resign when they still follow trump and earlier this week kevin mccarthy thanked matt gates and donald trump. he thanked the man who literally humiliated him in public and held up the vote for 15 rounds i don't see him resigning unless there is a criminal investigation and perhaps an indictment and conviction. if i'm george santos on right where i belong and he was chuckling it up with large utterly green stay right there -- >> i think we have a clip of him speaking at an event. a public event in 2019. quite recently. were you system self in this way, have ellison. >> my name is anthony doubled our, i'm a new york city lasted, and i recently founded a group call united for trump. >> roger, why are we calling him george santos. his name is --

his official named. but he didn't even go by george santos until he turned up in congress. and when he was asked about recently santos santos don't even respond to the name. >> they should ascend batman, or sparred us. or anthony devolve. or he's a serial, habitual weiler, he's the untalented mr. ripley. this is who we is. he so reckless, but i think you and i have talked about this on your show before it's the shamelessness with which i need to admire. if you in me, got caught lying about our educational background, we need -- sun of d.c. immigrants, we look down, be ashamed, our mother would slap us with a -- he goes on fox show, shamelessly, and says, i made a couple mistakes. -- adam kissinger. it's amazing. it's remarkable that this is for the republicans are. >> -- it's an art. form wajahat ali, columnist for

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>> we now have two special counsel is investigating the current, and past presidents over their handling of classified documents. one of them, donald j trump to the social media to rail against special counsel, jack smith. he made sure to add in his favor line at the end of his tantrum, quote, election wasn't all camps, rig,. least acquit -- his rampant in america. and cost of the election. and he's pushing that lie over two years after the presidents election. and that he very clearly lost. you need to admire as much a discipline about how dishonest his message -- one, despite what republicans would like you to think. there was no widespread systematic rampant voter fraud

that would've changed the result. and, to the small random cases of voter fraud that do keep coming up, while, they seem to have been committed by republicans. how could we forget the nevada republican voter who said he found its second to learn that someone had casted a ballot is diseased wife's name. it became a rallying cry for the trump campaign and the gop. turns, out the republican voter himself ended up getting charged with two counts of voter fraud forecasting a ballot in his wife's name. that man typical to voting more than wants and the same election. simply, but voter fraud. there was to republican trump loving stronghold of the villages, in florida where a total of four people would end up being charged with voter fraud. for allegedly voting in florida and in their other state residents in the 2020 election. three of the for those arrested, were registered republicans. the fourth was not affiliated with anybody. notably, florida republican governor ron desantis failed rushed those cases in his showy

press conference announcing voter fraud arrest. there was the pennsylvania man who pleaded guilty to felony unlawful voting forecasting an absentee ballot for donald trump and his dead mother's name. a republican arizona woman pleaded guilty -- in her dead mother game in the 2020. election in ohio or local public beneficial admitted to forging his dead father signature on an absentee ballot. and voting again himself. we learned this summer that the husband of a colorado woman's been missing over two years pleaded guilty to illegally casting his wife's mail-in ballot for, wait for, it for donald trump. lost shenanigans from the 2020 election are still coming to light, we're learning a few more recent ones. we learned this, week a former state republican election official pleaded guilty to illegally using voters personal information to obtain absentee ballots in 2021. , also known as vote of red. the indictment describes the scheme in which the former official likely had voter sign

an envelope, that was supposed to hold a completed ballot and then he according to the indictment filled out the ballot and submit them. it's a republican who is tasked with being the election commissioner for a county in upstate new york. you can assume he knows how elections are supposed to work. he's the second republican official in the same county, to plead guilty connection to a voter fraud's game you can't make this stuff up. a local republican kasra -- identity theft after being accused of casting absentee vallance another peoples names in 2021. and just yesterday, the department of justice announced its charge the wife of an iowa republican politician with 23 council voter fraud. for submitting or encouraging others to summit dozens of fraudulent registration and absentee ballots in the 2020 republican primary. farai was fourth congressional district. which wait for it, her has been lost. --

she's accused of doing the same thing, and the 2020 general election. when a republican husband successfully ran for county supervisor. i think it's fair to say that when it comes to the gop, and claims of voter fraud, the call is coming from inside the house. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. this cough. [sfx: coughs] this'll help. vicks vaporub? vicks vaporub's ...medicated vapors go straight to the source of your cough... ...so you can relieve your cough to breathe easier.

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have you had your dinner yet? if you did, how do? pickett you use a gas stove, because if you did. saver the taste of that butane burned chao while you still have. because president biden's coming to take your castile. his jack looted thuds or outside your door ready trampling a god given right heat food over a small blue flame. now, obviously, none of that is true. the biden administration isn't coming to take your cast of. but if you watch and believe fox, or other conservative media outlets. that's exactly what you think it's happened. >> meanwhile, in the kitchen. you're gas stove might be, but by. >> joe biden's climate changing agenda is targeting your kitchen. >> he's coming for your gas. stella >> ban on your gaston. >> ban gas powered. stoves >> the white house is now attempting to ban all gas ovens. >> safety, safety. >> your family dinner is about

to get less. tastyour family dinner is about to get less. tast >> it's not just the talking heads on fox, all week right-wing politicians have been pushing the same nonsense. florida's governor, ron desantis join the fight, tweeting a version of the don't tread on me gas flag. with a gas stove on. yesterday, jim jordan of republican congressman tweeted -- new alert of slogan, god, guns, castillo. >> matt gaetz, -- what the captioning, you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. although, matt, not sure how your hands will be cold if you're clutching on let gas range. i could spend time debunking this ridiculous talking point by explaining how nobodies coming to takers doll. how the consumer product safety

commission is merely looking into the wall document health have hours of having -- in your home. i could waste time explaining to you how the vast majority of gas stones are found in coastal liberal states. -- use electric powered stove tops. but i'm not gonna do all that. because this isn't actually about gas stoves. obviously. the right-wing freak out over the use of gas stoves, is the latest in a long series of made-up, culture war battles designed to enraged, rile up the right wing and paranoid vase. and the fact they've chosen something as nonsensical as a made-up ban on gas stove, illustrates just how much contempt the wright has for its base. no one disrespects red state america. more than the red state politicians who keep their voters like idiots. we've seen them do this, over, and over again. others to freak out about energy saving lightbulb, is canceling dr. seuss, or joe biden supposedly batting red meat. remember that, one no more

burqas for you. because of the green new deal apparently. we -- have made ending drag queen story hour a centerpiece of their new political agenda. it's why newly elected >> sarah heckel be sanders made banning the world latinx one of our first acts as governor. yet, top legislative priority that one. i know what you're thinking. they're politicians, they're trying to get their base worked up, energized. that's what every politician does. and you'd be wry, but contrast that with the issues that democrats used to motivate their base. issues like abortion rights, voting rights, and protecting democracy. right now america only has one political party focused on issues that actually impact the lives of the voters. and another, that's maybe inhaled a little too much gas. joining us now is mark levy, vegetables writer at the atlantic. author of thank you for your servitude, donald trump's washington and the price of submission. mark, -- loves to seize down these

issues. it makes their base angry, outraged, and worked up. it's always been a part of the conservative movement going back to reagan, nixon. when did become the only part? >> the life cycle of this seems to have become much tighter in recent years. trump turbocharge, this trump was, the staff -- windmills killing beers. when power is going to ruin our electric grids. hamburgers, dr. seuss, all these alleged huge threats to america, and this actually can be quite effective. donald trump's wall, which was a pipe dream from the beginning. he tried to build -- mexico wasn't gonna pay for. at what this was symbolically something that was gonna keep immigrants from coming into the country. this is essentially a game that republicans have gone the while on. maybe a few too many times. it becomes an object of radical, anna, i had a hamburger just

yesterday. i saw dr. soothe a or two days ago. i had dinner from a gas stove tonight. don't tell anyone this will be our little secret. , off you can only cry wolf so many times. that happens over and over again. it's become republican messaging as you said. >> it is. it's all about culture war. it's all about the red meat. they haven't got anything else to offer. originally, on one of these people that says a democrat jim runaway from culture wars. they should fight them, when them. the public with the democrats on a whole host of culture issues like abortion, as we saw last. year one thing the democrats don't, happy don't have the message discipline. the conservatives. do i look at my twitter tonight, and it's every republican congressman. it's republican senators, republican governors, they all get in on the. act i mediately. it's kind of astonishing. >> in. is at the same time, we're assuming the message discipline we're talking about is to a good and. look, they haven't won a lot of

these last few elections. they've underperform three election in a row. which despite the hamburgers that are being taken away from us,, yassin might be message discipline. but maybe a discipline around a losing, shrinking message, tua losing it shrinking. base, gas you look at where the popular opinion is in the center around things like abortion, guns, which are extremely hard-core base issues for the republicans. and because they exist so much an echo chamber, whether it's fox news, weather very red districts and -- barriers. and becomes more of an echo chamber. and the cycle becomes much tighter. >>, so yesterday rhonda scientist tweeted as i mentioned's own version of the gas and flag. with a gas still. on at rhonda scent is the poster child for all these culture war fights. he's the guy that's pushing the anti-lgbt agenda -- the book banning, a war with

disney, interesting, when he was back in congress he was more of a paul ryan chamber of congress republican guy. this is evolution addictive of the republican party change more broadly? does he see this as a way to get to the top, to get the presidential bed? >> absolutely. the other thing as it was a complete anonymous backbencher in congress. who ran on one thing, which was complete another nauseating -- to donald trump. i got on the nomination. in an upset in florida and it got on the governorship. any propel themselves from the. her yes, rhonda santas is -- and now the strategy can be successful. again, he exists in a very friendly skate in a very friendly in very sort of box dominated echo chamber places like the village. of -- exploiting that to a great. and not anybody can do that. it's not necessarily a winning message and any kind of swing

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your guy has done it. he's made history. just like you believed what. i've expressed my fair share of skepticism. and criticism for moths. but i'm ready to take it. back let's have a look at what he's done this time, to land them in the record. what's eaten, it appears he's lost more money than any other human being in the history of mankind. that's according to guinness world records. which gave it a cans in flourish by calling it a quote, more's loss of fortunate in history. now, that is quite a feat. canada sites forbes data that side must lost an eye watering, 182 billion dollars between november 2021 and his --

january of this. year bloomberg's and that shows him losing $200 million. this new accolade comes at a pretty tough time for elon. he has his hands fell dealing with the fallout from twitter after paying 44 billion dollars for a company that at a time was valued at max 25 million. and all of that time away, and helping the fact that his car company, tesla, has lost 39% of its value. since december the 1st. elon's facing quite a few lawsuits from tesla shareholders. who say he's misled them, drivers who say -- top speed for no reason. and the state of california which alleges racial discrimination at one of his plants. poor elon standing with a lot of the moment. but i think, i think he's still gonna be all right. it's not like he's one of the 63% of americans living paycheck to paycheck, navigating up on -- -- inflation, especially rising costs for things like food, housing, another necessities. because such's are rigged economic system, are on