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do you recognize this man. do you know who this guy is? >> the president bears responsibility from wednesdays attack on congress by mob rioters, he should have immediately denounced the mob, when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action, on president trump. >> now, i know that visibly it's very clearly republican speaker of the house kevin mccarthy. but can you imagine which world which kevin mccarthy we need today, speaker mccarthy would openly blame donald trump for january the 6th? as hard as it is to believe, kevin mccarthy really did say those things about donald trump. exactly two years ago today. and he said on the occasion of donald trump's impeachment, his

second impeachment for trying to overturn the election in 2020. he said it exactly to -- it's an odd mile stone to hit for our country, it's especially odd when the same kevin mccarthy who once blamed iran for january the six is now saying a speaker he'd be willing to look into ways to expunge donald trump's impeachment. now, i do think it's important to remember today that even though donald trump hasn't yet been held criminally liable for january the 6th. the former president has still founded self and a deep well of legal trouble since he left office. we know that in the state of georgia the former presidents currently under criminal investigation for trying to cajole the georgia tech understated flipping the 2020 election results there. in his favor. there's also multiple ongoing

criminal investigations into the former presidents businesses, just today, the trump organization was ordered to pay a steep financial penalty after the company was found guilty of felony tax fraud. there's the ongoing justice department, the investigation into january the, six with a special counsel jack smith is investigating whether anyone committed a crime. by trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power, also under the special counsel 's view, is of course the trump documents investigation. about whether donald trump mishandled classified information by storing a trove of top secret government documents at his florida beach club, and pretending they were his. now let's pause here for a second, as i'm sure you are well aware. it's recently been discovered, that the current president joe biden, also had several classified documents improperly kept at the office first thing tank. and at his delaware home. documents from the time he was vice president, right after -- joe biden's lawyers after

discovering the documents at his office. a lead -- turned over the documents, and searched all of joe biden's offices and properties to make sure there are no other classified documents, accidentally being stored. they're on donald trump's and, the federal government repeatedly asked trump's team to turn over classified documents they believe were being improperly how at mar-a-lago. donald trump resisted turning over those documents. to get them back, the justice department passer than with a search warrant. to secure that warrant, the fbi told the judge, that they expected to find evidence of obstruction. by the former president at mar-a-lago. , so let's stop comparing or equating biden and trump. but there is one other really important difference between these two stories. it's the reason why i want to spend a few minutes laying out all the different criminal investigations into donald trump right now. the difference being, only one of these two guys walks around

every day carrying the stench of multiple criminal investigations. context matters. despite the vast false equivalency,'s attorney general merrick garland went out and appointed a special catholic to investigate joe biden's -- classified. formation and that special counsel, isn't as any lawyer, oh no his name is robert -- a lifelong republican -- william rehnquist. he's attended federal society events, and was a trump administration appointee. that's the guy merrick arland pick to stick on joe biden. here's the thing, as hard as -- trying to be in partisan, as hard as he's trying to appear not treating joe biden any differently and the doj's treating donald. garland isn't actually treating them the same at all. more than a year and a half passes the national archives first raised the issue of -- for merrick garland got around to picking a special counsel to investigate further. it took garland 72 days to assign a special counsel to biden after biden's team first alerted the national archives. althe talking points memo points out, with its pick to investigate biden, garland carries on with a tradition of democrats and of this, picking

republicans to either run the fbi or do special counsel investigations. did you know there is never been a democrat appointed to be fbi director? anytime a democratic president gets to trump's to pick an fbi director, they pick a republican. republicans do not reciprocate, he'll be shocked to hear. i mean, do you think a republican a.g. working for donald trump would have picked today democratic special counsel to investigate, say, hillary clinton, or barack obama? if merrick garland really is trying to appease the right with what he sees as a non partisan pick to run the biden investigation, well, it's not working. listen to your trump ally kash patel explain what he thinks of the republican who merrick garland pick to investigate biden. >> this guy is a swamp monster of the deer one level, a government gangster, in charge of the continued crime scene cover-up. >> in terms of the republicans in congress, meanwhile, rather

than rely on the swamp monster special counsel, they're running their own investigation. nearly knitted house judiciary chairman jim jordan announced today the first order of business for his committee will be investigating biden's handling of classified materials. short of putting donald trump himself in charge of running the biden investigation, there is no candidate merrick garland could pick that one set of five republicans or stop them from accusing the justice department of unfairly running these investigations. what was the point of garland picking one of their own guys? when will democrats stop trying to appease the right? because you can't. joining us now, harry lippman, former deputy assistant attorney general, and former u.s. attorney for the western district of pennsylvania. harry, thanks for being here tonight. my first question to you is, was garland's hand forced when he made the choice to put this first in the hands of a different trump appointee who recommended to garland he

appointed a special counsel? i wonder whether he kind of, you know, put a box in himself in the corner? does it make sense to you, given what people say, there's no evidence of any underlying criminality in the biden case? >> that's really the number one point. a lot of people are saying it's forced. it's true, when someone says you need to do, it it's very difficult for him not to. the letter of the law is that you will appoint someone when they are a criminal investigation is warranted. there is not a scintilla of evidence that biden has done anything wrong, much less criminal. if somebody has, if there is some sort of mid level staffer from his old office, you don't need a council for that. he did it for political reasons. that doesn't make it bad. it might have been it was all in all savvy and forced, but it wasn't by the book which is how we thought about garland in the

past. >> let me ask it straight, harry. if there was no investigation into trump and mar-a-lago right now, are there be in investigation into joe biden? >> i don't think so. it's a great point. on the other hand, of course, this is the hand he and the administration has been dealt. you are right, it's a hard charger and a staunch republican. on the other hand, there's so nothing there for biden. i think garland can anticipate, a subtext here that others really haven't remarked on so much, he is going to take the recommendations of the professionals he appoints. that means jack smith will, in short order, recommend charges at mar-a-lago, and will recommend nothing in the biden case. that could be wrong. there is independent councils that have a way of becoming

their own story branching out to others, et cetera. it's going to take a long time to get a stuff together. this could hover over the white house for a while. nevertheless, garland anticipates he will be in a position down the line to say i did what he recommended, i did what smith recommended, and that will equate to trump charges, no biden charges. >> it's interesting, first of all, fascinating, what you say about the likelihood. just to be clear you believe that appointing her to investigate biden increases, not decreases the chances of jack smith recommended criminal charges against trump. >> i'd say it doesn't have any effect. one hopes it doesn't have any effect, but smith is well down the line, and there is a lot of reason to think reading the tea leaves he has pointed in the direction of charges.

they're both medically sealed the freedoms, if you. well that's a question provoking a lot of attention now. does it make it more likely, less likely? i think it makes it neither one or the other. that's the way things were going independently. >> harry, last question to you, just to be clear on the law here, all i heard about last august, mar-a-lago, especially trump defenders, it's about intent. you have to prevent. and trump came out and confessed and send my documents, i took them, give them back to me. there's no evidence of intent on joe biden's part. >> not only no evidence of intent, there is no evidence of knowledge. i find it inconceivable, he's going to be subject to criminal charges, and for that reason, i think you have to say the decision by garland was driven by more than the letter of the law. >> yes, indeed. harry lippman, former deputy assistant attorney general, former u.s. attorney for the western district of pennsylvania, always a pleasure. >> thanks. >> joining us now, congressman

-- joining us now, eric swalwell, who served on the house intelligence committee, the 117th congress. democratic congressman from california, thank you for joining us tonight, congressman. do you agree with the appointment of a special counsel in this biden classified documents investigation? you heard harry litman say it was a political position from someone who claims not to be political, merrick garland. >> sure, 90. i agree, and also, to harry's point, i think you're going to find that there is nothing there. it looks inadvertent, they are cooperating, treated about the same. i think that's what we all want. i do agree with your point that too often democrats want to stand so virtuous on mount olympus, i tell folks we fight with one hand tied behind our, back and it's usually the upper hand. so, sometimes, we think that, by doing, you know, these exercises, it's going to please republicans. it's not. republican colleagues are

attacking mr. her saying that he used to work with chris wray, who, by the, way was appointed by george bush and donald trump. >> yeah, don't forget the person who famously went after trump, he hates robert mueller also, a lifelong republican. you preempted my next question, which was going to be why do democrats keep appointing right wingers? let's talk about another right-wing, chair of the house committee, jim jordan, who wrote a letter to merrick garland today, announcing he is launching his own investigation into the house judiciary, by the house judiciary committee, into the biden documents. these are the same republicans, same jim jordan who didn't care about documents up until, you know, a few hours ago. that's what they said before the biden documents were discovered, they don't care about improperly stored documents. what is the real motivation for the jorden investigation? what do republicans get out of that? >> they are forming a law form to defend rioters at the capitol. they should call it

insurrection llc, because that's what it looks like, mehdi. you said jim jordan doesn't care about documents. he doesn't care about voters. the message the voters sent this last election was they want us to focus on delivering when it comes to lowering health care costs, investing in infrastructure, keeping your kids safe, and schools. they don't want extremism, and they rejected extremism all over the country. they, here, are doubling down on extremism. you will see a three pronged approach from democrats. one, we are going to discredit jordan every step along the way to show they have zero credibility. we're going to debunk all of the lies, thrown of the biden administration, and show that, if we were in the majority, what we do on those core issues i laid out, health care, infrastructure, omens reproductive rights, protecting our kids. that will be a waning message. >> congressman, how could you say they're not focused on issues americans care about when they are focused on the existential threat to our gas

stoves, which i'm going to be talking about later on the show? let me ask you this important question, which is -- >> mehdi, if i look source, because i've spent the afternoon -- i have spent the afternoon removing stoves from all of republicans on my block. but, i got my energy back now. >> only in california. one of the highest rates of gassed of ownership, apparently, blue state california. let me ask you this, you must have -- look, we agree that biden cases not similar to the trump case. you must have got annoyed like a lot of democrats when you saw the news, that, my god, the president has these documents in his garage, or wherever it, was in delaware. >> of course. we know the republicans won't be honest brokers about, it and try to give this false equivalence to donald trump who, in the past, trying to leverage $350 million of taxpayer assistance to ukraine for his own benefit and election, someone who had leverage national security secrets he'd hold on to what looks like an inadvertent mistake. that's where we are right now.

that's why we have to discredit, debunk, defend and show what we would do when we're in the majority and bring competency over chaos. >> quick last question, congressman, news big of the house, republican kevin mccarthy, threatened to kick you off of important committees. what is the status of that threat? well you get to keep your seat on the intelligence committee, do you believe? >> i hope. so it's a bipartisan committee. we've delivered a unanimous national reauthorization of the intelligence authorization act, but mehdi, he is weaponizing a committee that's never been weaponized before. politically, out of vengeance, and by the way, he's fundraising off of it. death threats come into me and my children, and we tell him he is bringing death threats to our children with the lies he's spreading, he's since 20 fund-raisers and the last two days to raise money off of kicking me off this committee. it's not about anything substantive, this is just pure, political vengeance. >> congressman eric swalwell,

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i watched a call the accountable dot has filed a complaint against george santos with the fcc alleging he used campaign funds for personal expenses. that's a second complaint filed against sent us this week. that comes on top of eight of his republicans in congress calling him to resign this week. and his local republican party telling him explicitly he's not welcome to any of their events, and they want him to resign as well. that's well and good. here's what i don't quite get. why is the entire political world treating george santos and his lies as such an anomaly? why are we acting like key is that different to a whole host of other republican politicians? take former president trump who lied about everything, not just the size of his rallies, or the election result, but personal stuff. santos style stuff. for example, falsely claiming he was top of his class at the business school. he wasn't. inflating the size of his wealth, the value of his properties. i literally lied more than

30,000 times while in office. former north carolina gop congressman madison -- remember him? he lied about getting into the u.s. naval academy. former georgia republican senator candidate herschel walker, he lied about being a police officer. mostly hope with kids that run for statewide office last year have stated they believed the big lie that trump somehow actually won the 2020 election. i could really go on and on, but you get the point. the maga lead republican party today is filled with cereal populists. why wouldn't it be? it's the logical end point of being a party in hawk to one donald shea trump. tonight, the new york times is out with new reporting that as early as november of 2021, a small circle of republican campaigners found out santos's back story was riddled with lies. the times reports that, in december 2021, santos's -- emergency call to present mr. santos with a choice, bow out of the racist dignity, or stay

in under escalating democrats turn up the same information and use it to destroy his political and personal future. when santos refused to resign, most of his team quit. that was a year before santos got elected to congress. somehow, none of the republicans were in the know that he was a fraud. they thought it to be a good idea to speak up. that says less about santos and more about the state of the republican party. in the words of my friend, george santos is right where he belongs. joining us now, columnist for the daily beast writer, thank you for being with us. let's get a reaction tonight's reporting in the times that at least a small circle of new york republicans knew that santos was a fraud and a liar, for over a year, and didn't say anything? >> like i said, the awesome sensational and ventilate george santos also known as, i think, alexander doubler, and spartacus and batman. the former president of estonia,

the processional -- humanitarian george santos, right where he belongs, mehdi, because yes, even though a few of his colleagues, especially from nassau county have asked for him to resign, we know kevin mccarthy, the house majority leader, the spineless amoeba of a man, earlier this week, said, hey, nobody is perfect, right, when asked about santas, he said, until proven guilty. mccarthy needs that slim for a vote majority. if george santos, a man who lied about being jewish, lied about his being married to a woman, lied about his mother dying in 9/11, in addition to having investigations both at the federal and local level, he says, why should i quit? i'm following in the footsteps of the leader of the maga party, and yes, even though he has weakened, donald trump is still the leader, who, by the way, as you said, lied more than 30,000 times as president and, by the way, i should say this, not just lies, but committed fraud, just this week, trump organization has to give 1.6 million. trump university, trump foundation. if they still follow donald trump as the leader of maga, if i'm george santos, i'm like,

hey, why should i resign? i'm right where i belong. >> and your list of things they're, don't forget the volleyball champion college he never went to where he didn't play volleyball, but it was a champion at a college he didn't go to. you made the point in your face -- playbook with his defiance and in response to calling for resignation. he's not just denying allegations, he's trolling. check him out, yesterday, with matt gates from steve bannon's show. have a listen. >> one of the principal critics effort is not a lot of money was donated to your campaign by you, 700, 000, i believe. where didn't come from? >> i'll tell you where it didn't come from, china, ukraine, or every small, how about that? >> boom, boom, boom, how about that? how is that for a maga checklist. well that strategy work in the end? will the market based rally around him and so he is one of our, is we're going to defend him blindly? >> kevin mccarthy says he's fine, right?

like i said, they need his vote. there is a slim war vote majority. it's not just this investigation that new york times article you pointed out in the beginning also says this company called the red stone nobody can find, by the way, mehdi, just check millions of dollars from republican donors. it has not filed with the fcc, they don't know where that money really has gone. that investigation could expose george santos to criminal liability. like you said, these republicans, a small influential group of republicans, according to the new york times, knew about, this yet kept quiet. if they kept quiet about donald trump, a violent insurrectionists, who was impeached twice, a man who lies with his every breath, why would george santos resign when they still followed trump? earlier this week, kevin mccarthy think matt gaetz and donald trump, the man who literally he may lead to him in public and held up the vote for 15 rounds. i don't see him resigning unless there is a criminal investigation, perhaps an indictment, and a conviction.

if i'm george santos, i'm like, i'm where i belong. he was shot going up with marjorie taylor greene, and kevin mccarthy. he'll stay right there. >> we've got a clip of him speaking at an event, a public event, in 2019, quite recently, where he introduces himself in this way. have a listen. >> my name is anthony divulge or. i'm a new york city resident. i recently founded a group called united for trump. >> why are even calling him george santos? his name is george anthony devolve the santos, we think, his official name. he doesn't even go by george santos until he turned up in congress, and when he was asked to vote, and the speaker's election, santos, santos, he didn't respond to the name. >> they should have seven batman, batman, spartacus, or anthony devolve. or >> he's a serious, habitual liar, the untalented mr. ripley. this is who he is, and, you know, he's so reckless. you and i talked about this on your show before, mehdi. it's the shamelessness which i

have to kind of admire. if you and me, if we got caught lying about our educational background, you and me would like, you know, son of a we'd -- be ashamed, our mother would slap us with something. this guy tells -- stepping in for tucker, she mostly, he says, hey, i made a couple of mistakes, exaggerated a bit, and then, he has the audacity to troll adam kinzinger. it's amazing. it's remarkable that this is where the republicans are. >> it is an art form, columnist for the daily beast, thank you for your time tonight, i appreciated. still ahead tonight, the real reason why the american rioters suddenly freaking out over gas stoves. yeah, gassed stoves. the ridiculous things they are saying and doing well their colleagues across the aisle trying to get work done. coming up next, donald trump and his allies have been ranting about voter fraud for years now. who is actually responsible for the bulk of the still rare instances of actual voter fraud? you might not be so surprised.

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smith. he made sure to add in his favor line at the end of his tantrum, quote, election in all caps, rigged -- least acquit -- his rampant in america. and cost of the election. and he's pushing that lie over two years after the presidents election. and that he very clearly lost. you almost have to admire his message discipline about how dishonest his message -- there are two things you need to know about the 2020 election. one, despite what republicans would like you to think. there was no widespread systematic rampant voter fraud that would've changed the result. and number two, the small random cases of voter fraud that do keep coming up, while, they seem to have been committed by republicans. how could we forget the nevada republican voter who said he founded sickening to learn that someone had casted a ballot is diseased wife's name. the trump supporter story became a rallying cry for the trump campaign and the gop. turns, out the republican voter himself ended up getting charged with two counts of voter fraud forecasting a ballot in his wife's name. that man typical to voting more

than wants and the same election. or simply put, voter fraud. there was to republican trump loving stronghold of the villages, in florida where a total of four people would end up being charged with voter fraud. for allegedly voting in florida and in their other state of residents in the 2020 election. three of the for those arrested, were registered republicans. the fourth was not affiliated with anybody. any party. notably, florida republican governor ron desantis failed to mention those cases in his showy press conference announcing voter fraud arrest. there was the pennsylvania man who pleaded guilty to felony unlawful voting forecasting an absentee ballot for donald trump and his dead mother's name. a republican arizona woman also pleaded guilty to casting a ballot in her dead mother's name in the 2020. election in ohio or local public beneficial admitted to forging his dead father signature on an absentee ballot. and voting again himself. we learned this summer that the husband of a colorado woman's been missing over two years pleaded guilty to illegally

casting his wife's mail-in for -- wait for it -- for donald trump. while shenanigans from the 2020 election are still coming to light, we're learning a few more recent ones. we learned this, week a former state republican election official pleaded guilty to illegally using voters personal information to obtain absentee ballots in 2021. that's also known as voter fraud. the indictment describes the scheme in which the former official allegedly had voter sign an envelope, that was supposed to hold a completed ballot and then, he would, according to the, indictment filled out the ballot and submit them. this is the republican who is tasked with being the election commissioner for a county in upstate new york. you can assume he knows how elections are supposed to work. he's the second republican official in the same county, to plead guilty connection to a voter fraud's game you can't make this stuff up. a local republican councilwoman pleaded guilty to identity

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the east coast. have you had your didn't get? if you did, how did you cook it? did you use a gas stove? because if you did, savor the taste of that butane burned food while you still can. because president biden's coming to take your gas stove. his gas jack booted thugs are outside your door ready trampling over your door -- now obviously, none of that is true. the biden administration isn't coming to take your gas stove. but if you watch and believe

fox, or other conservative media outlets. that's exactly what you think it's happened. >> meanwhile, in the kitchen. your gas stove may be good by. >> joe biden's climate change agenda is now targeting your kitchen. >> biden is coming for your gas stove. >> ben gas powered stoves. >> the white house is now attempting to ban all gas ovens. >> safety, safety. >> your family dinner is about to get a lot less tasty. >> americans are not going to stand for this. >> a stove like this one could be banned soon. >> you like to cook a cook with gas? i do. >> it's not just the talking heads on fox, all week right-wing politicians have been pushing the same nonsense. florida's governor, ron desantis join the fight, tweeting a version of the don't tread on me gas flag. with a gas stove on. yesterday, jim jordan of republican

congressman tweeted the parties knew a literate iv slogan -- god, guns, gas stoves. -- you'll have to pry it for my cold dead hands. although, matt, not sure how your hands will be cold if you are clutching onto a lip gas range. i could spend time debunking this ridiculous talking point by explaining how nobody is coming to take your stove. how the consumer product safety commission is looking into the well-documented health hazards of having a gas stove in your home. i could waste time explaining to you how the vast majority of gas stones are found in coastal liberal states. most red state americans use electric powered stove tops. but i'm not going to do all that. because this isn't about gas stoves, obviously. the right-wing freak out over the last use of gas stoves is the latest in a long series of made-up, culture war battles designed to enraged, rile up the right wing and paranoid base. and the fact that they have

chosen something as nonsensical as a made-up ban on gas stoves illustrates just how much contempt the right has for its base. no one disrespects red state america more than the red state politicians who treat their voters like -- we have seen this them do this over and over again, whether it's a freak out about energy saving life bulbs or canceling dr. seuss or joe biden supposedly banning ram red meat. remember? that no more burgers for you, because of the green new deal, apparently. -- dry queen story hour a centerpiece of the new political agenda. it's white newly elected arkansas governor sarah hockey sanders made banning the word latinx one of her first acts as governor. yes, top legislative priority, that one. i know what you are thinking. their politicians, just trying to get their base worked up, energized. that's what every politician does. and you'd be right. but contrast that with the issues that democrats used to motivate their base, issues

like abortion rights, voting rights, and protecting democracy. , voright now america only has e political party focused on issues that actually impact the lives of the voters. and another that has maybe inhaled a little too much gas. joining us now is mark leibovitz, staff writer at the atlantic and author of thank you for your servitude, donald trump's washington and the price of submission. mark, the republican party loves to seize on these issues, because it makes their base angry, outraged and worked up. it's always been part of the conservative movement going back to reagan, going back to nixon. when did become the only part? >> the life cycle of this seems to have become much tighter in recent years. i think trump sort of turbocharge this. trump was so -- i mean, america used to have this wrapped about when power killing words. when power is going to ruin our electric grids and everything. hamburgers, dr. seuss, all these alleged threats to

america -- this actually can be quite effective. donald trump's wall, which we sort of a pipe dream from the beginning -- he tried to build it. mexico was never going to pay for it but this was symbolically something that was going to keep immigrants from coming into the country. this is essentially, though, again that i think republicans have gone to well on a few too many times. it becomes an object of ridicule. and look, i had a hamburger just yesterday. i saw dr. seuss in a bookstore two days ago. i actually had dinner from a gas stove tonight. don't tell anyone. this will be our little secret. you can only cry wolf so many times. it happens over and over again. this, essentially, has become republican messaging, as you said. >> it is. and it's all about culture wars. it's all about that red meat. because they have not got anything else to offer. personally, i'm one of these people who says democrats should not run away from culture wars. they should fight them and win them. because the public is with the democrats on a whole host of

culture issues, like abortion, as we saw last year but one thing the democrats don't have is, they don't have the message discipline that conservatives do. i look at my twitter tonight and it's every republican congressman. it's republican senators. it's republican governors. they all get in on the act immediately. it's kind of astonishing. >> it is. but at the same time, you are suing that the message discipline you are talking about here is to a good and. look, they have not won a lot of these last few elections. they have underperformed in three elections in a row, which sort of, despite the hamburgers that are being taken away from us -- so, yes, it might be message discipline but it might be disciplined around losing and shrinking message to a losing and shrinking base. but yes, you look at where the popular opinion is in the center around things like abortion, guns, which are extremely hard-core base issues for the republicans -- and because they exist so much in an echo chamber, whether it's fox news, or they are a

very red districts, they don't seem to be talking beyond those barriers. and it becomes more of an echo chamber. and again, the cycle becomes much tighter. and again, the cycle becomes >> so yesterday, ron desantis tweeted, as i mentioned, his own version of the godson gadson -- . . ,, -- paul ryan chamber of commerce republican guy. is his evolution indicative of the republican party change more broadly. he sees this is a way to get to the top, to get that presidential bid? >> absolutely. the other thing as it was a complete anonymous backbencher in congress. who ran on one thing, which was complete and utter and nauseating fealty to don trump. it got him the nomination ended up dead in florida. it got him the governorship.

and he propelled himself from there. so, yes, ron desantis is i lesson in how this strategy can be successful. again, he exists in a very, very friendly state in a very friendly and sort of fox dominated echo chamber in places like the villages. and this is ron desantis exploiting that to a great and. but not everyone can do it. it's not necessarily a winning message in any kind of swing area where you are trying to get a critical mass of american voters. >> mark leibovitz, enjoy your weekend reading dr. seuss while eating a gas grills burger. we won't tell anyone. marxist aphrodite throughout the atlantic and author of thank you for your servitude. have a great evening. >> thanks, mehdi hasan. >> we have one more story for you tonight. elon musk, owner of twitter, ceo of tesla. has officially broken a new world record. what for? the answer according to

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just look around. this digital age we're living in, it's pretty unbelievable. problem is, not everyone's fully living in it. nobody should have to take a class or fill out a medical form on public wifi with a screen the size of your hand. home internet shouldn't be a luxury. everyone should have it and now a lot more people can. so let's go. the digital age is waiting. just look around. this digital age we're living in, it's pretty unbelievable. problem is, not everyone's fully living in it. nobody should have to take a class or fill out a medical form on public wifi with a screen the size of your hand. home internet shouldn't be a luxury. everyone should have it and now a lot more people can.

so let's go. >> so, fans of elon musk, your the digital age is waiting. guy has done it. he has made history. just like you believed he would. now i have expressed my fair share of skepticism and criticism for musk. but i'm ready to take it all back. let's have a look at what he has done this time to lend him in the record book. what has he done? it appears he has lost more money than any other human

being in the history of mankind. that is according to the guinness world records, which gave it all at the kinsey and flourish by calling it the, quote, worst loss of fortune in history. now that is quite a feat. guinness cites forbes data that says musk lost an eye watering 182 billion between november 2021 and early this -- this new accolade comes at a pretty tough time for elon. he's got his hands full dealing with a never-ending fall out at twitter after hitting 44 billion dollars for company that at the time was valued at, what, max, 25 billion? -- start in his car company testa has lost 39% of its value just since december the 1st. elon is also facing quite a few lawsuits, from tesla shareholders, who say he has misled them, drivers who say his cars are breaking a top speed for no reason, and the state of california, which alleges racial discrimination as one of his automotive --

he's dealing with a lot of the moment. but i think he is still going to be all right. it's not like he is one of the 63% of americans living paycheck to paycheck, navigating an economy marked by inflation and especially rising costs for things like food, housing, and other basic necessities. because such is our rigged economic system, our an equal playing field. but even with the, quote, worst loss of fortune in history. even after squandering all those hundreds of billions of dollars while trying to own the libs, elon musk is still the second richest human being on the planet. and on that note, that does for us tonight. rachel will be back on monday. alex will be back on tuesday. and my own show, here on msnbc, we'll be back on sunday night at 8 pm. but now it is time for the last word with ali velshi in for lawrence o'donnell. good evening, ali velshi. >> --