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news from ukraine, where a series of explosions rocked the capital city of kyiv this morning. ukraine says, the russian missile attack is targeting critical infrastructure. we will go live to ukraine for the latest. plus, the house under republican rule. we will look at the chaos the gop has brought in congress in its first week in charge of the house, and the latest on the investigation into president biden's handling of classified documents, and what's behind the double standard in how the biden case is being treated compared to the case of a certain twice impeached ex president. then, the featured author for today's edition of the velshi banned book club is a story to herself, and author, yes, but also a filmmaker. -- folklorist and voodoo expert among many other things. we will dive into zora neal hearst in, their eyes were watching god, next hour. velshi starts now. >> and good morning. it's saturday, january the 14th.

-- we are one week into hundreds 18th congress. in four weeks, into uncovering the many lies of george santos. the freshman republican representative from long island, new york, who's facing many calls to step down. just days after he was sworn into office, no less. his story has been a distraction for the country and especially for republicans, as they prepared to take back the house. it's been a rough transition. the start of the 118th congress, as you know, was delayed, as house republicans clashed during 15 rounds of voting over four days, before they finally gathered enough votes to officially elect kevin mccarthy, the new speaker of the house. now that that matter is settled, it's time to govern. despite the initial turmoil in their party, republicans accurately got quite a bit done during their first full week in office. the house had a relatively easy time passing its rules package on monday, as its very first order of business. but that rules package includes provisions like the motion to vacate, which makes it easier to remove the speaker. it also gets rid of pandemic

-era changes, like proxy voting. it imposes rules and at limiting spending, blocking tax increases. beyond that, the house also passed a pair of manipulative, misleading, and merit-less anti-abortion bills, that have zero chance of passing the democrat led senate or getting signed by the democratic president. the decision by house republicans to pass these bills during the first week of the new term and despite the overall unpopularity of their antiabortion stance during the last election cycle, demonstrates how unserious they are about governing. republicans made it clear months ago that they intend to use their tenure to investigate democrats and opener views on topics they considered to be liberal issues. they slipped in a provision in the rules package that allows for the formation of a new subcommittee to investigate the origins of covid and to scrutinize the work of doctor anthony fauci. the kentucky congressman, james comer, the new chair of the oversight committee, also --

bidens and their family business. this is one that's likely to most focus on hunter biden and his laptop. the contents of which conservatives, that's not fair, some conservatives believe would have doomed joe biden's presidential bid two years ago. this week, calmer quest of the biden family's financial records from the treasury department. he also wants twitter executives to testify on capitol hill, not about the mess that twitter has become, but to address allegations that they helped keep the story about hunter biden's laptop from spreading by limiting its reach on social media. republicans also approved the creation of the select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. and that's going to be led by the ohio representative, jim jordan, who's the new chief of the house judiciary committee, who's also been implicated in the effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. it's still unclear exactly what this particular committee is going to be investigating, because its purpose has been intentionally left open-ended. unlike the january six committee, there is no specific

inciting incident or events that prompted the creation of jordan's new committee. the panel will be allowed to examine issues elated to self liberties, to scrutinize federal -- of treatment of americans and their data. additionally, the committee has been given the authority to review classified data that is usually only shared within the intelligence community, which could make this one of the most powerful committees on the hill this term. more importantly, this committee aims to legitimize conservative beliefs that the government and other nefarious forces like a big tech have conspired against them. and that's mainly the point of it. this committee will allow the republicans to continue building up that narrative over the next couple of years, right up to the 2024 elections. in theory, in theory, these committees and investigations are important functions of congress. oversight of public officials is actually necessary to ensure that members and agencies are held to account. but there are signs that house

republicans want to settle scores here during their tenure. trump allies have been elevated to positions of power. republican slimmest already in the house means that the extremist wing of the party can have a disproportionate amount of influence over the next two years. so, where do house republicans go from here? joining me, two of our friends, jennifer reuben, she's an impending writer for the washington post and an msnbc political analyst. also with us is michael shore, journalist and former politician who ran for congressional seat in california last year. good morning to both of you, thank you for joining us. so much to cover. i wanted to talk to you guys at the beginning of the week and the world has changed entirely since then in congress, so let's start with the latest thing. there is reporting from the washington post, jennifer reuben, that the republicans have a plan to not authorize the increase in the debt ceiling, in exchange for getting certain things like flex spending cuts and limits, or they won't do it. and that they've actually got a plan to prioritize how the

government is going to pay, they will pay some groups, not by other people. it doesn't really work like that in most republicans in congress know that. but if you miss payments because you don't raise the debt ceiling, it's the same net effect. it's, like, a person missing their mortgage payment as opposed to their car payment. your credit rating goes down, interest rates go up. this is actually, this could be what they call a cell phone. republicans could be hurting themselves from this. >> that is right. essentially, what they're saying is that they would like us to pay off all of the chinese and saudi bond holders, but not pay traffic controllers that people who operate the national parks, not send out checks to people who are owed from the federal government. it's kind of a south own, as you say, because they're basically laying out their plan to stiff the american people, to cut off the things that americans need and want, in exchange for, as you say, holding us hostage so that we might make a very deep cuts in,

what? social security, medicare. this really is a gift to the administration, who was very happy to get on to something other than no scandals and incorrect comparisons to the trump document problem, because this is exactly what democrats have been saying, that republicans are radical, they want to change the fundamentals of government that people like, and they will do so in a very reckless, dangerous way that would put the nations, really, our whole debt structure and our whole ability to borrow money at risk. >> you know, michael, i love this economic conversation, but a lot of people don't, right? the debt ceiling feels like a boring conversation, feels like been there, done that already, except we're at this strange moment in our american economy in which inflation is still three times as high as it should be. it's coming down as a result of the federation interest rates, but interest rates are high and if they miss at that payment, interest rates are going to go

higher. we might face a recession this year, by virtue of all of these increasing interest rates. i'm curious as to whether, republicans must know this, right? they sort of pride themselves on being a party that understands fiscal responsibility and economics. so, how do you square the idea that they might be ready to take an economy, and if you take the american economy, you might take the global economy for what gain, i'm not sure. >> i guess again is what jennifer just explained, you sort of hold hostage some of these other social programs and you say, well, we can't go forward with these if we have these problems with the debt ceiling right now. so, the political haze and game there is being able to get the administration, democrats in the house, democrats in the senate, to cower at that notion. but these inconsistencies are actually within the most ranking. you know, i was on the trail a lot over this past fall covering certainly at the end, when i was covering the warnock and walker race in georgia,

everybody was talking about inflation, everyone was talking about the price of gas, everyone is talking about money. then the first thing that the republicans do when they come in here is they sort of played with our debt. even the family, you know, the small business -- that legislation, where they're trying to cut the funding for the irs from 80, by $72 million, to virtually nothing. and what is a congressional office budget say? it says it will add 114 billion dollars the national debt, so they're not listening to what they were saying when they were on the trail. >> jennifer, nancy mace, republican member of congress, was on tv a lot this week, talking about this abortion bill. she made some interesting points. she doesn't say she doesn't support the bill she said it was a waste of time to do it because it's not going to pass in the u.s. senate not going to get signed by the president sort of pointless and so i'm

kind of wondering, was she doing kevin mccarthy work by getting out there and saying, you know, this isn't useful, not a winning proposition for republicans? what do you make of the bill and why nancy mace was so critical of it? >> i think she's typical, unfortunately, of a group of republicans who would like to present themselves as moderates. these people who are more in touch with the voters, but then go along with it. as you point out, if you voted for these things. he could've opposed them. so, this is kind of rank hypocrisy. on one hand, he said, this is why we lost the election last time, we should be focused on things like prenatal care and we should be looking at things that, you know, prevent people from getting pregnant in the first place. we could be looking at birth control. but then she goes along with the crowd, she voted for the rule, she rode it four voted for kamala. she's voting for this, so frankly, she's as phony in her own way as george santos is

about his biography. and that's the fundamental problem, is that there aren't enough votes on the republican side because the house is so closely divided that they could stop this nonsense. and they could actually direct the house in ways that are much more constructive and as michael said, you know, they can run on battling inflation. they did run on some issues which are, frankly, quite illegitimate, although that we are going about it may be kind of -- but they're not and i think we have to keep an eye on people like nancy mace and the 18 republicans who sit in districts that, frankly, joe biden won in 2020. what are they going to do? and will the voters remember that these people ran as moderates and our governing just like jim jordan and kevin mccarthy? so let's go back to that point. michael, let's go back to that ceiling. because we're gonna hit that ceiling next week, congress is going to have to do something about, it we can clear wage

things told june, and then we're gonna have a problem. jennifer talks about the 18 or so republicans who ran as moderates in one district, that joe biden had won, and democrats on any given bill, only needs six of those republicans to come over. i wonder nothing like that at ceiling, will there be six moderate republicans who will go over and say, i won't be party to this? >> i mean, in the first week, they're gonna not going to see that. so she's, yelling and saying she can we were range the furniture till june, that's the time in which the democrats can work on some of these republicans to see how some of these things are also playing, you, know after being aired out on shows like velshi. what are people saying about where the direction of the car, not the direction of that body specifically? and if they're seeing that there is pushback within it their districts, and the country as a whole, certainly, they're gonna be able to pick a few more people out, that's sort of why each member of

congress is so important. each congressman is so important to each speaker. and you don't see a massive movement to expel george santos. they're afraid in new york, they're gonna get a democrat. and those six are going to shrink. and in virginia, who passed away, that district is going to go certainly to a democrat. kevin mccarthy saw what's going on, so he knows that's a fragile majority he has. >> i'm 100 percent sure, i -- used to not come on the show, but jim jordan used to come on the show. and i never agreed with him on anything except for geographically where ohio is on a map. but i agree with him on something. i agree with him in -- and republicans that we should make sure that the federal government and its institutions are not weaponized against american citizens, i actually think that's a real thing, but it does not seem to be a real thing based on what jordan --

-- hey does the government have overreach? did they pick out journalists and critics and opposition leaders and whistleblowers and go after them? >> yeah, it's the big tell on this, the little freeze in the authorization that says they're empowered to look into ongoing criminal investigations. this is such a blatant violation of the separation of powers. and the inappropriate stance, and activity for congress. that is really the kind of tell that is sort of the obstruction of the justice committee. that protect donald trump and his cronies committee. there are things, as you say that are properly the subject of oversight. what is our secret service doing? the people who based on those documents? what frankly was the fbi thinking when they didn't move on intelligence, to shore up our defenses on january 6th? there's a lot of areas in which

the operation of government is not working as it's supposed to. but that's not what they're into. of course those committees to deal with those things already. there's already a judiciary committee that has jurisdiction over the department of justice and the fbi. so this is something different. this is an operation, as you say, to advance political causes. there's nothing wrong with that. but there is something wrong with going into an ongoing criminal investigation that is the politicization of our justice system. so, as they often do, they're exhibiting blueberry symptoms of the problem that they say they are trying to care. and, i think potentially, this is a very dangerous body. and it's essentially setting itself up to get in massive congo -- conflicts with the justice department. it's not about the turnover, it's about ongoing investigations. this is performance showtime,

what's more for jim jordan, are gonna see a lot of histrionics, and we're not going to see anything very much investigated, because ultimately, they're gonna be stymied and there are parts to mark, around an ongoing investigations. >> i may not have election deniers and folks like that on this show but i'm gonna write here make an exception for jim jordan if they want to come on the debate there werent, because we all believe it's an important issue and i would like to know exactly what they're planning on doing. thank you very much, jennifer robinson opinion roller with the washington post, and michael sure is a veteran journalist. what coming up, we're gonna take another dive into what the new congress is up to at the top of the hour, with former members of congress, from opposite sides of the aisle. matt rose, and joe walsh. person the latest war on ukraine, there were new missile attacks this morning on the capital city of kyiv, we will have reporters on the ground in just a few moments. i would also call to order this week's meeting of the velshi

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-- >> the financial community. -- >> it's actually not true -- >> it's gonna go insolvent -- >> it's not -- true >> it's the facts -- >> my good friend joy reid is right. that line about the social security that congressman byron donalds tried to get past her is simply not true, as she would say. social security will not be insolvent by 2035. according to investopedia, social security as a pay as you go system where or assist -- recipients under any accumulated surplus fund everyone's benefits. payroll tax or not for particular pet taxpayers. let me break this down further. if you are currently connecting social security your monthly check is paid for by peril of current taxes of the labor force. so as long as americans are working in paying taxes, social security will continue to pay benefits. it is true that the amount of the benefits paid out could be reduced, if this problem is not addressed by 2023. hopefully soon.

the main reason for that is that americans are having fewer children. they're living longer than they were 1935, one fdr signed the security act into law. the program is underfunded because there's fewer people left in the workforce, to contribute to the pool of benefits, for future retirees. especially as more more baby boomers age out and retire. there's another aspect of social security that plays into the history of though. i want to explain that to you. it's called the old age and survivors insurance trust fund. it helps pay the benefits for current retirees. and that fund is expected to be depleted by 2033. if no action is taken, that is according to the social security board of trustees, if they were to happen, retirees would not be left high and dry without their monthly security payments. they would still receive approximately 78% of the benefits just from the trust fund. so the government would have to find some other way to make up the 22%. so it's not untrue to say that the social security program is

struggling. it's not untrue to say that they need more money in the trust fund. but it's not going bankrupt and the future retirement income isn't some reverie that politicians need to piece together out of thin air. social security is not a favor from the government. or your employer. it's your money who comes from your paycheck to pay for life later on. however, for publicans choose not to raise the debt ceiling of borrowing cap that the u.s. will hit on thursday it will limit the payments. or spending cuts to things like military, or defense, or social programs the former seems to be the most vulnerable at the moment on and he would not allow the debt limit to be raised with the making major cuts to social security. he made this in order to secure

loans by yuk americans already barton story portions of their paychecks would not be able to access half of all the retirees in this country count on social security for their income. one quarter receive an. making big broad key claims about social security and its fate is how lies begin. we need to me -- be specific for fact sake. social security will not be insolvent by 2035. it's not going bankrupt. it is the programs trust fund that needs repellent issuing ahead of 2035, stay on track. distributing benefits on the level that it is supposed to. congressman soon -- will be right back

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public learned the classified documents were found a two properties connected to president joe biden, at a special counsel is already on the case. the thursday, the attorney general merrick garland appointed as special counsel to investigate biden's handling of classified info after some documents from his time as vice president, in the admiral obama administration were discovered about the penn biden center in washington d.c., and at the presidents personal home in, wilmington, delaware. the special counsel's work robert her, a lifelong republican who formerly served with the press-y and this whole

office immediately alerted the government, -- the national archives, and they turned over the governments. and also surged all of biden's offices, and, properties to make sure there were no other classified documents,. accidentally being stored there his team as been adamant that they are cooperating, fully, with investigators. although i second. because in the case of this other guy. the federal government repeatedly as a former presidents team to turn over the classified arguments that they believed are being improperly held at mar-a-lago. trump repeatedly resisted, turning over those documents. forcing the justice department to serve him with a search warrant. to be clear about this, the fbi had to raid mar-a-lago to get the documents. the fbi told the judge to believe there was probable cause that they would find evidence of obstruction. by the former president. so, apples and pretzels.

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conservatives have triggered a high stakes flightaware the debt ceiling. yesterday the treasury secretary janet yellen announced the u.s. will hit its debt limit on thursday. she warned how speaker mccarthy that it was, quote, critical, congress acted in a timely manner to increase or suspend the debt limit. republicans in the house and turned on cutting government spending, or coming up with a contingency plan. we telling the treasury, what to do of congress on the white house doing to go to lift the nation's debt limit later this year. the post adds, the emerging contingency plan shows how

republicans are planning to threaten not to lift the debt ceiling without major spending cuts, from the biden administration. now, if republicans decide not to love the debt ceiling, it will undoubtedly start a fiscal shutdown, that will have huge consequences for the american people, possibly people all over the world. it's important to understand the debt ceiling. here's how it works. the government takes on the debt ceiling like taxes and duties and spends it on the things that our government spends money. and if in a year, they spend more than a takes you, it's a deficit. according to the u.s. treasury, in the last 50, or the federal government's budget has run a deficit in all but five years most recently in 2001, as you can see. that year, the congressional budget offices the federal government brought in roughly four trillion dollars, spent about six trillion dollars plessis and -- the accumulation of the deficit

is the debt, 31.5 trillion dollars. when you worry about this debt and how we're gonna pay it back. that's an important consideration, but until we get an answer to that, let's look at how the deficits and debt is financed. it comes from bombs issued by the government and sold to investors. the bond is a promise to pay back alone at a certain interest rate. the rate is comparatively low because the loan made to the u.s. government, is considered the safest investment on earth. but now, once again, that is at risk. some republicans threaten to not allow the delay may, which is the amount of money that the government can borrow to pay its bills, to be raised. if republicans succeed in that effort, the government would have to do what an individual or company would have to do, we prioritize who gets paid first. and in the case of the u.s. government, interest on those bonds have to be paid first. because a payment to a bond order is miss the corroding of the entire u.s. could drop, and the interest rate for borrowing

any more money goes up. and that could cause inflation as costs get more expensive. it could cause a recession. making the on that we're headed into possibly worse. the worst-case scenario, however, is that it causes both inflation and a recession. which is a difficult position to get out of. the idea that a government, like a household, shouldn't spend more than dickson is interesting but it's incomplete. because a household is made up of people with a limited time to work. there's lots of time to generate income and lots of time to pay it off. it's not that they should spend without regard to how and when the debt will be paid, but it's just that the calculus for mature sprung economy cannot be barely compared to you and your financial obligations. i know you're thinking, we've been here before, many times, and we never fail to actually get the debt ceiling raised. this was all a game of chicken. and i hope you're right. but if you're wrong, because you're underestimating the resolve of those republicans

who are prepared to burn the house down, we could be headed for some real trouble. what's different this time as well inflation is coming down, it's still three times as highs would like it to be, and that's okay. because the fed can keep raising interest rates to fight inflation. except there are real fears, that if all the effort the path is putting into fighting inflation, could have the effect of slowing down the economy too much, triggering a recession. that is of real possibility. and here's the problem with having inflation and a recession at the same time. you fight inflation by raising interest rates and discouraging people from spending. if recession by lowering interest rates and encouraging people to spend. but you can't raise interest rates and lower interest rates of the them. so we've got ourselves into that position we could be in for a very difficult few years economically. he is alluding to the streets are high, economic growth is low, home prices collapse, millions of jobs are lost, a new 401k suffer. i have publicans been to not

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war in ukraine, and following several weeks of relative calm in that capital, this morning, russia launched a new barrage of missile strikes on kyiv. once again, targeting civilian infrastructure. it comes as russian forces are claiming control of soledar, a small town in eastern ukraine which holds far more important for the russian political standpoint that it does as a shortage of military targets. nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley is in -- ukraine your kyiv with the latest. >> those missiles this morning didn't set off the usual air raid alarms as they usually do in kyiv. the ukrainian air force said that might be because they are ballistic missiles, which are harder to detect and intercept. [sirens] >> this morning, new missile

attacks on kyiv and across the country the first in nearly two. weeks, once again, targeting civilian infrastructure. a day after russia said it is finally taking the ukrainian town of soledar, but the brutal fighting has left in ruins. ukraine's military says soledar has not fallen. [speaking non-english] >> we'll never give up, the soldier. says russia's military of defense says taking soledar will help them take the city of bakhmut nearby. if russia's claim proves true, it will be the first real victory in months and it comes at a crucial time in the war. western countries like the u.s. are facing increasing pressure to give ukraine powerful weapons. the u.s., germany, and france already pledged armored fighting vehicles. now, poland, france, and germany are reportedly all poised to send battle tanks to ukraine, and the pentagon says it supports even if it stopped short of sending its own. the heavier weapons could tip the balance of ukraine's favor, just as ukraine's leaders warn

of when the russian offensive that may even make another assault on the capital, kyiv, from neighboring belarus. russian and belarusian troops are seen assembling in training just across ukraine's northern border, as recently as two weeks ago. >> over here. >> anton has been tracking russian moves across the border for months. >> this is in anticipation of another offensive. >> [speaking non-english] >> russian forces were in this area, he told. meet, that we are prepared for the potential scenarios that may come. this trench isn't used. it was built in april after the initial russian invasion, and you can see it's all fresh timber. waiting for a fresh offensive. >> fears of a new attack us this brutal war and there's a new year. >> and just today prime minister rishi sunak says the uk will send its challenger to battle tanks to ukraine. this, after a call between the u.s. k prime minister and ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy. >> our thanks to nbc's matt bradley for his reporting from

vinnytsia, ukraine. straight ahead, the latest on what the new congress is up to with two former members from opposite sides of the aisle. another hour of velshi begins right now. ght now. good morning, it saturday, january the 14th. i'm former but lucas leave all follows why saar, ali velshi. i am ali velshi, but i'm not there was a after a volleyball star or any parts of athlete, and neither was george santos, the embattled long island freshman congressman, whose many lies have led to his constituents, even some of his fellow republicans, to call for his resignation just days after he was sworn. and santos's saga has been a side show over the past month as house republicans prepared to take power. it's been a rough transition. weeks, house republicans were exposed as a clash during 15 rounds of voting for the speaker of the house, and despite the initial turmoil within their party, republicans actually got quite a bit doug during the first full week in office. on monday, the house had a