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remember, velshi is available as a podcast for this weekend just getting. up maybe your in california or phoenix or something. you can listen to the entire show on the go at anytime. subscribers listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. stay right where you are, my friends cory coffin picks up our news coverage right now. age right now. >> good morning and welcome in, i'm cory coffin in new york. we are one week into the new republican house majority, and as promised, president biden is already under investigation by a correctional committee. the house judiciary committee has launched an investigation into biden's potential mishandling of classified documents, including one marked with the highest level of classification. the documents were found by biden's lawyers at his home in delaware and in a locked office closet in the penn biden center, where he host his think tank. all documents were voluntarily turned over to the national
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archives. despite the vast differences between president biden's case and donald trump's, attorney merrick garland made this announcement earlier this week. >> i'm here today to be announced the appointment of roberts her as a special counsel, pursuing department of justice regulations governing such matters. this appointment underscores the departments commitment to both independents and accountability, in particularly sensitive manners. and to making decisions indisputably guided only by the facts in the law. >> joining me now is why our correspondent allie raffa. ali, will come in. thank you for starting us off this morning. what are you hearing from the white house this morning? >> cory, yeah. good morning. president biden is waking up in his bloomington home, where we now know that two of those three discoveries of classified materials were found just in the last month and this is, those discoveries and the
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timing of the white house acknowledgment of them now under intense scrutiny despite an onslaught of questions from the media. really not learning anything new from the white house over the past couple of days, president biden ignoring shouted questions from reporters twice yesterday for three days in a row. press secretary kareen jean pierre really skirted questions about this, the reckoning of two statements from the special counsel's office, as well as the white house counsel's office. the white house saying this wasn't done intentionally. they are drawing these contrast between this probe into the president's handling of these classified documents and his predecessors mishandling of these documents. so, just an unprecedented moment in political history as both of them are really the subject of these new special counsel probes, cory. >> yeah, there really is a very stark difference there between how each president has handled each case against him.
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now, how has the white house prepared for the upcoming congressional investigations? >> we knew the white house was preparing for really a different set of legal battles this year, even before the discovery of these documents. we knew the white house was staffing up their legal team in preparation for this onslaught of gop led investigations into things like the departure of troops from afghanistan, the origins of the covid pandemic, house republicans even promising to investigate dr. anthony fauci, but there hasn't been an official announcement as to how this recent discovery is impacting the white house's plans as far as legal counsel. but all of those plans under intense scrutiny, a renewed spotlight in wake of this new probe announced by the house judiciary committee yesterday. jim jordan saying he is asking for all documents related to the special counsel inquiry by
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january 21st. but president biden will have to face off against house republicans on february 7th. we expect him to make the state of the union address there. he accepted house speaker kevin mccarthy's invitation to do that yesterday. so, really raising the stakes in the next few weeks of what he's expected to say there. >> all right, ali rafah starting us off this morning from capitol hill. thank. you the reporting from the u.s. time reveals that a small amount of well connected republican camping offer gives new that george santos was a liar and a liability after his campaign ran a routine background study on him in 2021. now, despite this and all the other startling revelations, it doesn't seem to be deterring him or speaker kevin mccarthy. >> i was elected by 142,000 people. until the same hundred 42,000 people tell me they don't want me, we'll find out in two years. i'm going to outwork any of the pundits and talking heads out there saying that i should
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resign, that i'm unfit for office. >> voters of his district of elected him. he is seated. he is part of the republican conference. there are concerns with that, so he will go before ethics. if there are anything found to be wrong, he will be held accountable exactly as anybody else in this body would be. >> was he elected, though? let's turn now to nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin. i'm not gonna ask you to answer that question, that's a matter of opinion for some of our other guests. i want you to ask this one. george santos does seem to be never a violent problem. how is capitol hill reacting to their freshman colleague? >> well, the rest of his freshman class from new york, most republicans who actually flipped democratic held districts, are calling on george santos to resign. they're saying he is unfit for office, and i think a big key to that is the fact that a lot of them did flip democratic held districts, and they know they are going to have to face questions in two years if they don't make the right choice now and call samples to resign. the big missing piece here is that no one in republican leadership in the house, not
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even at least -- from new york, is calling on him to do the same. you know, reporters have been asking him so many questions to come clean about what he made up these lies and fabrications, including myself this week pressing him if he plans to resign. he said, of course, he won't. you heard it in the opening clip you played that he said until his 142,000 people ask him to, he won't do it. right now on capitol hill, practically, leadership is waiting for outside investigations to play out off the hill in new york, even in brazil, and on the hill, the house ethics committee is looking came after two democrats from new york asked him to do so, but that committee operates in secret. it could take months to see anything from that committee. >> also, it does seem the next big battle on the hill will be the debt ceiling. speaker mccarthy called that one of the greatest threats to this nation. what are you hearing from lawmakers on that topic? >> one of the greatest threats to his speakership now is this debt limit, because of that motion to vacate that was
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conceded in the rules package. any one of these guys can now bring up a vote of no confidence and strip him of the gavel if he doesn't go along with the concessions he made to them, primarily with the debt limit. now, we're hearing of some plans being discussed from a group of house republicans led by chip roy, those house freedom caucus members who are deficit hawks trying to force mccarthy's hand here. this is really a crisis. if they don't go along with this, it will be the first time that the country default on its debt. we had a letter from treasury secretary janet yellen warning congressional leaders and members here that they need to start negotiating hard before that deadline is up next week, and the money officially hits its debt limit in june. >> all right, julie tsirkin thank you so. much we appreciate it. joining me that was charles coleman, junior, civil rights attorney at msnbc legal analyst, and glenn kershner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst as well. both joining us to kind of further unpack this, what's happening on capitol hill and at the white house. glenn, let's start with.
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you do you agree with the appointment of the special counsel to review those biden documents? they are not usually appointed in these situations, right? >> you know, cory, i think this was a discretionary call by merrick garland. i think he took each step on the road that ended up with the appointment of special counsel appropriately, but i think the results of the first step boxed him in. the first step was he asked, the u.s. attorney out in chicago to just do a preliminary review to see if there's anything that needs to be investigated and whether he, merrick garland, should consider appointing a special counsel. i do hasten to add that was a trump appointed u.s. attorney, one of only three i think remain among the 93 u.s. attorneys. and once that u.s. attorney, john blouse, did his preliminary review, and he offered an opinion to merrick garland. he said i think there's enough here to investigate, and i think there's enough to appoint a special counsel.
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i think at that point, let's deal was sealed. had merrick garland rejected the very opinion he sought and said no, we are not going to appoint a special counsel, there would have been an uproar. so, i think it was almost inevitable at that point, though it was still discretionary. i do think he exercised his discretion in an appropriate way, and that doesn't fully answer the question, was a special counsel really needed? i think objectively, you can answer that question, no. it really wasn't. but here we are. >> they want to ask you further about merrick garland's choice in appointing roberts her as special counsel in this case. i'm going to pin at that real quick. charles, i want you to explain the differences in these cases here. is it true that in both cases the special counsels will have to prove intent to miss handle these classified documents, because it seems easier to prove in the trump case. >> cory, intent is going to be
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unnecessary elements of both crimes if you're trying to talk about it from the standpoint of whether to prosecute, and i think that is the key linchpin that viewers need to understand. there is a significant interest between the intent displayed in the mar-a-lago investigation and the repeated attempts for the national archives to get back documents from the former president as well as the search warrant, which also is executed, and the notion that donald trump instructed people to move documents that he knew were being sought by other authorities versus joe biden and what he has done in this situation as president, stepping forward and acknowledging, basically cooperating with investigators to try to make sure that all questions have been answered. when you are talking about the difference, that line is intense. that line is very different when you are looking at what both situations entail, not to mention the size and scope of the documents that were found. you are talking about roughly ten to a dozen documents in the case of joe biden, with respect
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to former president donald trump, you are literally talking about hundreds of documents that we know of. that is not even including places that haven't been searched, things that have been thought. so, there is a very big discrepancy in terms of the amount and size and scope of the documents in both cases. so, there's a number of different differences. you hit the nail right on the head when you talked about the fact that intent is probably the biggest differentiator between the two. >> and glenn, let's go back to special counsel robert's harass the choice by merrick garland. do you think he made the choice? he is a veteran attorney, top justice official under the trump administration, of, course he also served as a special assistant to christopher arab before he became director. do you think he is the right choice? >> i think it's an open question. i would never engage in guilt by association, so, mr. hur was a longtime federal prosecutor. i think that recommends him for the job. i think we have to look at the other side of the coin, he also voluntarily associated himself with the trump administration
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when we all know the trump administration had corrupted the department of justice through bill barr, weaponized it to punish donald trump's enemies like jim comey and andrew mccabe, and reward donald trump's criminal associates like mike flynn and roger stone, prompting some assistant u.s. attorneys, including former colleagues of mine, to leave cases and leave the department altogether, because they wouldn't stand for the corruption of the department of justice. now, what mr. did during that time as he came to the department of justice and served as rob rosenstein's right-hand man, as the payback. the principal associate deputy attorney general. we like our titles long at the department of justice. thereafter, he was appointing u.s. attorney by donald trump to serve in the maryland u.s. attorney's office. this is someone who, for whatever reason, chose to associate himself with donald trump and bill barr's department of justice at a time
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when it was not making us proud. i think those are fair questions to ask when we look at this appointment and try to decide, will mr. hur do the job right down the middle, calling it the way he sees it,. without tracking it on and looking for reasons to try to have it hurt joe biden politically? >> charles coleman junior and glenn kirschner, you will both back with us in the next hour. we have much more to talk about. charles, i have a very important question for you when it comes to charles, hur, appointment, and whether or not it will affect the ongoing investigation by special counsel jack smith for trump and mar-a-lago. all of that to come. stick around, to. to viewers at home, stick around for this conversation. and later, coming up, remembering dr. martin luther king, junior, his son, martin luther king the third, will join us to reflect on his father's legacy on the upcoming 40th anniversary of the federal holiday. first, we will continue to this question of the latest on capitol hill. stay with. us.
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have and probably kept classified documents at one of his offices and it is delaware home from time to time as he was vice president. immediately prompted comparisons to the classified documents seized from donald trump. however, biden's lawyer or lawyers who found the documents reported it then selves to the national archives and are cooperating fully with authorities. donald trump meanwhile and his associates resisted turning over roughly 300 classified documents. illegally being held at mar-a-lago even after the federal government repeatedly asked for them. the doj eventually had to serve a search warrants in order to retrieve them. joining me now lucy caldwell, political strategist and former campaign manager for joe wells's 2020 presidential campaign and fernando monte, msnbc's political analyst and democratic pollster. welcome into both of you, thank
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you for being here. lucy, let's begin with you. i laid at the clear differences between the situations. why the fervor to go after biden with these investigations? >> well it depends on where you are describing the fervor right? because of course there is the reality that that there is no question that trump associates republicans at large and the hyundai class, and the consulting class. it's going to seize on this episode as a sign that you know both sides of republicans are treated unfairly. and so the question really is what merrick garland's decision to appoint the special counsel the right one. and in particular, was his decision to appoint robert -- a former trump associate the right one? i think it actually was. i actually think the move that you see by merrick garland is the opposite of fervor and isn't intent to actually create a record that will give the
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biden administration cover to say look, as you say these are completely different situations and i think that ultimately at the end of the day american voters are sophisticated enough to be able to see that these are not analogous situations whatsoever. >> okay ferdinand, weigh in here. talking points, melissa pointed out exactly what lucy just did here that merrick garland appointing robert hurd continues to long-standing tradition of democrats thinking republicans to either run the fbi or special counsel investigations. it is the 80 trying to appease the right with this choice or trying to appear that they are you know, really everything is above board here. it's a bipartisan investigation. it is this biden investigation a matter of force equivalency though? >> i'm not to show to false equivalency cory. i think what the a.g. is doing, if you want to look at it another way, it is probably indicative that the indictment against former president trump was probably moving at a much
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quicker pace before these revelations happened where the biden white house as you said earlier volunteered this information, certainly from an optimal point of view, not ideal. i think what merrick garland department said was look, let's just immediately eliminate any questions that there is. any kind of bias here announce a special prosecutor, but in some respects cory i actually think this is more problematic for the republicans precisely because of the non equivalency that exists in the intent. i think that was the key word that your panel used before, the key word here and if you look at intent, really around the questions of good faith versus bad faith. the biden administration volunteered this information, they self reported it and immediately try to get to the bottom of it, disclose everything. whereas on the trump side, they resisted efforts by the doj to proactively turn over these documents and then, try to make
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light of what the current and clear law is on the matter. i think it is true that if the american voters are given the opportunity to understand the differences between the two of anything, this puts president biden in a better light and i think it puts former president trump in a more negative light. so yes, it's a little bit of a speed bump but i think at the end of the day, it is going to all work out because there is no equivalence between the two scenarios. >> okay how about the timing of all of this? losing that first batch of classified documents found november 2nd, almost a full week before midterms. did not come out publicly until this week. what do you make of the timing? do you feel like there were discussions about concealing the information until now? how bad are the optics there? >> i think that is splitting hairs to be frank. i think that we can possibly know, i suppose we will find out and it investigation on folding. when you think about the a
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handful of biden lawyers discovering these documents and then what are they to do? they are not immediately going to raise the alarms, that moment, they lead through their proper channel, the biden administration you know has been in communication with the justice department. there is a lot of evidence that this was handled above court. got they have done this a few weeks ago? i have no idea but i think at the end of the day, the contrast between a team of lawyers who then decided to self report that they had found a very small volume of documents versus the clouds down at mar-a-lago when more than three inches classified occupants and resisted subpoenas and ultimately, who were so resistant and acting so clearly against the spirit of our laws, that the fbi had to go down and say hello, give us our classified documents back. so very different contrast and i think they are right that it is actually just going to serve to highlight the way of appropriate and above board political leaders handling the situations.
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does it seem like given these two episodes that of course, a purse oats from the obama administration that we all know about, that maybe our elected leaders need better training on how to handle classified documents in an era of emails, email servers and printing so yes right? we can have that discussion and we can come up on the 2024 trail but again, different situations. >> it does debate the question, why does this keep happening? all right for not monte and lucy called out for us, they will both return in the next hour to continue this discussion. thank you guys for being in and coming up, water contamination. it is a growing national problem. and one that is often happening in predominantly black neighborhoods. we will take you to baltimore to get a states emitters reaction to the latest water crisis after a quick break. ak
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kids every day why it isn't healthy and why it is important to remember to use the clean water and not the faucet water. >> that was a resident and baltimore, maryland. reacting to what is happening in the city. the city that is the latest growing epicenter of america's clean water crisis. like jackson, mississippi and flint, michigan the residents in baltimore affected by this crisis are predominantly black. last of, number test revealed at the presence of e. coli within the drinking water and three sites in west baltimore. the city briefly issued a boil water advisory but that is since been lifted. many residents remain weary though. city officials say the contamination was caused by a cascade of water infrastructure failures over the years. so, joining me now to answer some questions, maryland states and our cory mccray, mr. mccray and senator mccray, thank you so much. welcome in. can you tell us what is driving this crisis in maryland? >> cory, i thank you for the opportunity.
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i say that it's the aging infrastructure and the urban there is czech shunts. when you look at the water infrastructure, when we look at the roads, when we look at the bridges, our schools, our digital access. we know that we have the challenges. it is going to take the federal state and local government to be able to get to the finish line. >> i think there is some question over is the water safe and baltimore to drink right now? >> i think at this moment it is but remember, that we are under a -- and at the end of the day for historically, for decades, we have not invested in our water infrastructure because of lack of resources. but while we have this unique opportunity to have a democrat in the federal government, governor westmore, governor elect wes moore and mayor brandon scott, i think we have to take advantage of those opportunities, which is why i wrote a op-ed about a martial plan. making sure we can invest over two billion dollars into our infrastructure to make sure that we have jobs, readily accessible to our people but also make sure that we move baltimore city in the right direction. >> i want to ask about federal,
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support first let's go off something you touched on there. last year, the epa granted maryland 100 and $44 million to finance water infrastructure projects across the state. the epa also announced that baltimore, the city would receive more than 300 and $90 million to finance water infrastructure projects. so that is a lot of money being funneled into state, and then into the city. what has happened to that funding? and what kind of infrastructure changes do you think the state needs to make to run clean and safe drinking water? >> cory, it is very important to know that there's over two billion dollars what we can band-aid it here, we can do 20 million, 50 million, 30 million here, a lot of the times are just patching up existing problems that already are there and occur. while we can take it in totality and do it the right way, we want to be sending the extra dollars to make sure that we penetrate and actually address the problem. it is something that i think about and then i think about like i said, it is not just the water infrastructure, it's our aging schools. while we built 28 to 28 new
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schools, there are so many new schools that have to be built and to make sure that our young people have heating and air conditioning. safe drinking water because at the moment, we are bringing in water versus being able to utilize the water or the drinking water. thinking about the digital access. we went through the pandemic cory and we talked about working from home and going to school from home. that was not reality for a lot of people because of the aging infrastructure in our urban jurisdictions. >> now i think this is going based off what you had said in the past in a recent article, he talked about how investing in people could fix the cities infrastructure issue and help rebuild the city. is this what you are a looting to? >> wholeheartedly cory. when you think about just the challenges that we have with the infrastructure, you highlighted that. we have such a human capital, we can make sure that we can invest in the people here. i'm an electrician, i want to a five-year program. shifting is going the wrong direction but my trajectory changed because of the opportunity to step was there
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when folks invested in the human side and that piece of it. people need to work on fixing the pipes within the ground. people need to work on doing the block to build down new schools. people need to work on the additional equity challenges that we have with the insulation piece that's also there. i think if we can find these resources that we have, we invest in people, i think we dig ourselves out of a big hole in baltimore, i can see it very bright future. >> there are so many more issues to discuss here but we will have to leave it here for the moment. we really appreciate your time. maryland state senator, cory mccray, thank you senator, appreciate it. >> thank you cory. >> meanwhile there's good news for millions of cash drought americans struggling with higher prices due to inflation. new consumer price index data just released thursday showing the price growth in the u.s. has slowed for the sixth straight month. well unemployment heading 53-year low. to encouraging signs as some economists say could be a signal that the worst of the current inflation crisis maybe finally be over.
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that's covid nbc news business and data reporter, brian chan with a breakdown of the numbers. >> we have some important data on thursday morning in the form of inflation. giving us a picture of what inflation look like in america as of december, the end of 2022. here is the magic number. 6.5%, and that is how much prices increase between december of last year and december of the year prior. which is a step down from the 7.1% that we have seen in november. but those who might even further, here is a line chart of the year over year changes over time. we can see that we have come down quite a lot from the 9.1%, we saw in the summer of last year, again this coming down the policy makers say they really really want to be is here. 2% so mission not yet accomplished on getting prices back to a comfortable level for americans. so where in the report that we see price pressures? maybe even price decreases? we're looking specifically at shelter, the biggest cost for most americans, this is back getting both mortgages and then also monthly rates. what we are seeing is that
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actually increased between november and december is a monthly rates of change. going up to 0.8% in december. food prices remaining high as well even though it was 0.5% and it did stepped on the 0.3% in the month of december. egg prices were up by 11% just between november and december. the reason for that though avian flu, not necessarily demanded pressure but lastly, gasoline. the big reason why the number came down between november and december on the top line basis. 9.4%, that so much gasoline prices decline between november and december. we have to see if these trends continue in the next three monthly report as well. back to you. >> we are hoping the, well thank you brian chan for that report and still to come, boston honors dr. martin luther king jr. with the statue in commemoration of monday's federal holiday. martin luther king iii joins me next. and later in the show, why descendants of a black family that one back their beach front property that the government stole from them 100 years ago. they are now showing that property back. an interesting story you don't
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try subway's tastiest menu upgrade yet. it has been 40 years since president ronald reagan may dr. martin luther king junior day a federal holiday. we are in a much different time since then. we are much different nation but we are still grappling with her own racial legacy as we honor dr. king's message of peace and justice. yesterday, the city of boston unveiled this new memorial
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entitled embrace. the bronze 20 foot tall sculpture is the largest mine men in the country dedicated to racial equity. it symbolizes to have dr. king shared with his wife caretta after he won the nobel peace prize in 1964. joining me now, dr. martin luther king the third, son of martin luther king junior and a human rights leader. thank you so much. welcome in. it is an honor to have you on our show today. you are there for the unveiling of that statue honoring your parents embrace. what that moment mean to you and your family? >> thank you so much for the question, it was extraordinarily moving to be there and actually see the sculpture unveiled. because number one i have to say that that is where the love story began so i am grateful because that is part of why i am here. >> that's your legacy to. >> but in a time when our
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nation is divided, to have this on bail is quite amazing and the boston commons two and the interesting thing is there is, the heads of my parents are not there but you really see. it really feels like my mom is lifting up my dad through this moment and if you look at the actual picture that the artist got his idea and his team from, then you kind of see that. and as i said, when you talk about the love story, you talk about bringing the community together. that is a kind of saying that we need to see in our nation right now because people are going through quite a bit of difficulty. and our nation, really around the world but as we look at what is happening at home, i mean boston has had its challenges over the years around racial issues. my dad wanted to eradicate what he called, what the triple evils of poverty, racism and violence. we must continue and that quest but i hope that this monument
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inspires the current generation and generations yet unborn. it will be there for life and it is just quite amazing. i was honored and blessed to be there yesterday. both with my wife and daughter. >> it evokes such a motion when you look at it. even though it does not have the full picture of what is happening in that moment, not embraces all that you need to feel the weight behind that moment. your father's legacy in today's, climate how would you describe it? what would you change? >> so i think that we have a lot of negative energy that has been promoted for quite some time. certainly it manifested most largely in the last, and ministration. the previous administration and it kind of put things on steroids if you will. you know there is a saying,
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cooler heads prevail and what we have done is instead of embracing love and nonviolence and forgiveness, we are embracing hostility and hatred and all kinds of negative sentiment, at least some of us are is what i should say. my goal, my hope is that we learn from the key tradition. that and mom taught us how to live together and disagree without being disagreeable. we need to learn that. we don't know that at this particular point. it's either my way or the highway and that is not in effective strategy. for example, in the old biblical days, it was an eye for an eye and a two for two. if that way was right, most of us would be without eyes or teeth. obviously, that cannot work. we have got to move to a higher level and this particular moment, most especially, whether we are dealing with health care issues, whether we are dealing you know with women's rights.
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whether we are dealing with racial issues, we have to move to a higher level. we are much better as a human community than that behavior that we are exhibiting. when we look at violence and every one of our cities and every one of our communities and all over the world, we must learn at non violence or as that used to say, we may face nonexistence. >> with the last few seconds that we have, really quickly the white house issued a proclamation yesterday for martin luther king junior day calling on congress to pass the john lewis voting rights act. are you worried at all about the state of road invites in this country? >> i am certainly very concerned, i would love to see that happen, i don't expected under this particular configuration of congress. i think we have a lot more work to do and the people must continue to speak to that issue and the elected officials may follow. we have to demand. voting rights should be protected for all people. my daughter has less voting rights now than she did in 2008 when she was born and she is 14 years old. that must change. >> it's unbelievable to think,
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that thank you martin luther king the third for joining us today. it was an incredible honor to speak with you. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> thank you. an approach grammy note as well for tuesday, joy reid, chris hayes in and try menially will host national day of racial healing. msnbc town hall live from new orleans. they will discuss the recent rise in hate speech across america and how they drive toward becoming a more just and equitable society. watch national day of racial healing and msnbc town hall tuesday at 10 pm eastern on msnbc and also streaming on peacock. next, up house republicans make abortion their first priority in the first days in office. we will explain after a quick break. quic break. no, not “let me get the pancakes.” or “i'll have all the bacon.” we're talking about... rooty tooty fresh 'n fruity i'm going to get the rooty tooty fresh 'n fruity the rooty tooty fresh 'n fruity i think i'm going to have the rooty tooty fresh 'n fruity yep, it's back. for a limited time.
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the born alive bill threatens medical providers with up to five years in prison if they fail to resuscitate babies born alive after an attempted abortion. an occurrence that experts say is very rare. and as many physicians point, out a 2000 into federal law already guarantees the legal rights of infants born by any method. joining me now, amy hack strung miller, president and ceo of whole woman's health. amy, welcome. and thank you for being here. now despite the fact that these two new bills will not make it through the senate, house republicans have passed them anyway. how worried are you about possibly being on the cusp of a national abortion ban being voted on? >> you know these elected officials are just so out of step with the values of the american people. i mean look at the last midterm election, abortion rights are extremely popular. people understand the value that access to safe abortion has in communities all across the country. look at all of the young voters who showed up in the last election. these values have shown up in
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kentucky, in michigan, in kansas. even at indiana, we were able to get an injunction to block indiana's abortion ban from going into effect. so these elected officials in the house are incredibly extreme. they're introducing these messaging bills in order to sort of normalize, really extremist language. that does not represent the health care that most people need. and does not represent how abortion values and how abortion needs to be available in our local communities across the country. >> and what voters value, they made it clear with the value this past midterm election. one of the resolutions passed by the house condemns the attacks on antiabortion centers but it does not acknowledge the violence against reproductive care providers and facilities. what measures do you think should be taken to address that violence? >> i really appreciate that question because abortion clinics have been sides of domestic terrorism in this country for decades. and now that abortion has been banned in 13 states in this country, the states where
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abortion is still available are at risk of some of these extremist traveling in, starting to launch attacks against our patients and tried to make our work more risky. most people in this country, the fast pejorative people in this country support access to safe abortion and we all know somebody analyst somebody who's needed an abortion in the lifetime and none of us want somebody to be subjected excuse me to that kind of harassment and intimidation and terrorism. health care workers do not deserve to be treated that way and neither do the patients that we serve. and so i think these protections need to extend to health care workplaces, at large including clinics that provide abortion care services in this country. >> let's talk about what's going in alabama. this week alabama tierney general said people who take abortion pills could be prosecuted. well he later walked that back in a statement saying that the charges would be against the people who provide the medications. what a potential impacts of the restrictions like that? >> you know abortion pills are
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one of the most popular ways for people to terminate a pregnancy in this country. they are very safe, very accessible and in fact the fda just reduced restrictions on abortion medications and are now going to allow a pharmacist to fill those prescriptions in a pharmacy in their community. and so i think this again is very out of step in what health, care with science and with medical research and with the values and the majority of people in this country. it is scary to think that people who are seeking abortion services are patients and pregnant people are somehow going to be targeted. it does not surprise me that the extremist in alabama have toppled from providers over to patients. and i think it's important for us to watch this and keep talking about it because they are extremists and the more that they introduced these bills, we have to be careful that this kind of radical strategy is not normalized. here, again very out of step with the majority of people in this country and people deserve access to safe abortion in
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their communities, no matter where they live. including the states where abortion has been banned since june when the incision first came down. >> speaking of states, abortions now legal in at least 13 of them. an increase in restrictions and other states also likely looming. you are headed to the indiana supreme court next week as you mention, so when the court hears this case, this will be a challenge to indiana's near total abortion ban. what can you tell us about this case? >> short of this case is actually a hearing about the injunction. we were awarded an injunction a few months ago that allowed us to continue operating in clinics in indiana. continue to provide safe abortion services despite this extreme abortion ban that was introduce. this hearing is about the injunction, and we are hoping that we can keep the injunction in place so that the indiana abortion providers can continue to serve the communities. and we are serving the people that are coming from the rounding states as well where abortion access has been rolled back. so the hearing is this thursday
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on the 19th and we are encouraged that even in communities like indiana, communities like kentucky, kansas, we are seeing many people step up and say that these extremist views don't represent us and we believe that safe abortion access is important. it is part of health care in our communities. >> we are certainly watching updates on indiana and these other states, thank you to amy extra miller for coming out with us today. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, coming up on a new hour of msnbc reports, the house judiciary committee now investigating classified documents found in president biden's delaware home and d.c. office. we will bring you the latest. plus, new york republican congressman george santos is facing growing pressure to resign for fabricating large parts of his background. democratic near congressman richie torres who filed a complaint against santos with the ethics committee joins me to discuss this and much more ahead in the next hour. stay with us. connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going.
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in new york. president joe biden and donald trump can now say they have one more thing in common besides both being president. they are both currently under a special counsel investigation for their handling of classified documents. by just like their presidencies, that is where the similarity ends. in biden's case, less than a dozen documents dating back to his time as vice president were founded by his lawyers in a locked off his closet in the penn biden center where he
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hosts his think tank. a very small number were also found at his home in delaware. all documents were voluntarily turned over to the national archives. meanwhile, trump's hundreds of documents were repeatedly requested by the national archives and then seized by the fbi through a search warrant which then prompted and obstruction of justice criminal investigation. and response, attorney general merrick garland has appointed a another special counsel to oversee the investigation into biden's documents. this being in addition of course of the special counsel already being lifted in through trump's treasure trove of documents. and following up on their promise, the house judiciary committee now controlled by the new republican majority has launched an investigation of their own into biden's potential mishandling of classified documents. including one marked with the highest level of classification. so back with me this hour, white house correspondent allie raffa. ali, welcome back in. what has been the reaction from the white house and where are we headed from here? >> yes, cory reaction fe
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