found at his home in delaware. all documents were voluntarily turned over to the national archives. meanwhile, trump's hundreds of documents were repeatedly requested by the national archives and then seized by the fbi through a search warrant which then prompted and obstruction of justice criminal investigation. and response, attorney general merrick garland has appointed a another special counsel to oversee the investigation into biden's documents. this being in addition of course of the special counsel already being lifted in through trump's treasure trove of documents. and following up on their promise, the house judiciary committee now controlled by the new republican majority has launched an investigation of their own into biden's potential mishandling of classified documents. including one marked with the highest level of classification. so back with me this hour, white house correspondent allie raffa. ali, welcome back in. what has been the reaction from the white house and where are we headed from here? >> yes, cory reaction from the

white house has really been minimal at best since the discovery of these classified documents. you have president biden yesterday ignoring and shouting questions from reporters. twice at the white house and then for three days in a row this week, press secretary kareen jean pierre referred most of our questions about this topic to the justice department, the special counsel's office. she read statements from the white house counsel's office and reaction to the mishandling of these classified documents earlier this week. that is really essentially the posture that the white house has had since this was discovered. that is really the posture that green chunkier had when my colleague kristen welker asked her whether president biden would be willing to sit down with the special counsel if asked for an interview to be able to fully cooperate with the special counsel probe. take a listen to what she had to say. >> again, that is something that i do not have a magic wand here. i don't know when that will

happen. what i can say is his team is going to fully cooperate with the department of justice. let's not forget, the president said during the campaign that when it comes to the part one of justice in the pendants, he respects that. that is something that he had said was incredibly important to make sure that they had there in the presidents. that is why we say we will make sure that they have their independence. >> and cory, when you remember the fact that the white house for months has been staffing up on their legal team, in anticipation of republican-led probes, once the republicans gain the house majority, it is hard to imagine that they are not continuing to do this behind the scenes and the wake of this new special counsel probe. as far as what happens now, that is really the big question looming over all of this. we don't know how long this investigation is going to last. we are pulling back to president biden's, plans as to whether he will or won't announce a plan for a candidacy

in 2024. the stakes of that potential candidacy even higher now after he ran on a platform in 2020 of honesty and transparency, corey. >> yes this latest new certainly posed to be even if it ends up being nothing, certainly an annoyance for the democrats as they try to push forward with biden's strong start to 2023 and into what may be a potential continuance of his run. allie raffa, starting us off for, us thank you. back for me this, our charles corman junior, several rights attorney and msn legal analyst and glenn coroner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst as well. gentlemen, welcome back in. let's dive right in. glenn, obviously these major differences that we laid out and we heard from ali about the white house response, let's be frank though. the existence of the biden situation makes it harder to potentially bring charges against trump. true or false? >> i don't see it that way, cory now these two

investigations will be run on two completely different tracks. there really is no overlap factually or legally. you know and i think one of the most important distinctions or differences between these two incidents, he has both men had documents that they should not have had. that is where the similarities and. one of the most important distinctions is that when joe biden learned about this to his team findings, some of the documents, they conducted a quick an exhaustive search, according to the reporting. found some more documents and promptly turn them over to the rightful owners. the national archives and told the department of justice about it. donald trump is still involved in litigation. in federal court in washington, d.c. before chief judge, barrel howell refusing prosecutors request that he certified, that he has returned all of the documents. he was unlawfully possessing. that is a dramatic difference between these two incidents. >> all right charles, let's dive into that further. talking about the special

counsel in the biden investigation. robert her, we know he was a trump appointee, he served as the top aide to deputy attorney general, rob rosenstein and christopher wray before ray became the head of the fbi. so does disappointment make it easier or more difficult for special counsel, jack smith to indict any mar-a-lago case? earlier this week, the new york times reporting that jack smith might bring charges by this summer. do you think that is realistic now? >> i think that the question becomes, are you talking about the court of law or the court of public opinion. i think when you talk about the court of law, it does impact jack smith to the extent that it is not going to change a yay to a nay or aa to a nay and as much as what he has already decided to do or decides to do will not be impacted by this. however, it is going to ensure that jack smith was already a nerve prosecutor is going to dot every i across every t in terms of how it goes forward. in terms of the timeline, it could bump it up to a small

degree. in terms of the overall scope of whether he is going to decide to indict and prosecute donald trump for this, i don't think that will make that much of a change. the biggest change we might see is that it might accelerate his timeline just a bit. >> okay england, speaking of the seemingly very conservative trump line republican here in charge of the investigation, the biden investigation, what do you think we expect to see from her? >> you know from the newly appointed special counsel, robert her, i hope what we see is a fair, prompt, independent, a political investigation. there is some reporting that some of joe biden's former staff members from the time that he was vice president have already interviewed and already talked about what they know regarding how then vice presidents boxes and belongings were packed up and shipped out. so let's hope that mr. her has left behind whatever

proclivities that he may have had when he decided to join the donald trump, bill barr department of justice. he will call balls and strikes the way that any good umpire would. >> charles, is it a good use of congresses time adding to this investigation opening their own investigation into biden? and should congress passed legislation reforming the classified document collection process considering what we have seen both now with biden and trump? >> i don't think it's a good use of congresses time ultimately, and terms of making this decision to move forward with the investigation. i think that when you are talking about the investigation around joe biden, in particular, at this point there is not enough information to suggest that there is a whole lot more things that took place. i think with respect to reform around anything that congress is looking at that impacts this, it would need to be specifically tailored to address what we have already seen happen. the only reason that that would

actually take place or be necessary is if you had a president or current president who was not cooperative as we have seen in the case of donald trump. his response to the numerous requests by the national archives, i'd like to point out to the public that this is not a normal occurrence. it's not something that we normally see. obecause of, that i hesitate to say that it requires a huge amount of policy reform from congress when this ends. >> okay, we will leave it there for this afternoon. thank you to charles coleman junior and gregg kershner for joining, us we really appreciate that. furthering the discussion. shutting him now to continue with this analysis, lucy caldwell, political strategist and former campaign manager for joe walsh's 2020 visit. has presidential campaign and fernando monte, amazon political analyst and democratic pollster. welcome to both of you, coming back in and thank you for having, thank you for coming back in. fernand i have to apologize because that the guy called you three different things in our earlier hour. i look at it right this time. lucy, let's begin with. you previously republicans have

been very clear on the record that they don't actually care about the improbability documents but that was before the biden documents were discovered. jim jordan and now hasn't for merrick garland that he is launching his own investigation into the matter with the house judiciary committee. is this just pageantry in a waste of taxpayer money? >> well, you are right that they have been on the record saying that this is no big deal but that was then and this is now. , look this is going to be a launching pad for jim jordan's activity on june. what jim jordan is actually prepared to do is something very nefarious. last, week during the speaker fight, people like jim jordan extracted from kevin mccarthy a commitment to form a subcommittee in-house that as one strategist shared with me this week, feels more like who are. like the mccarthy era house to no committee on american activities right? so this is going to be a launching pad for what we know and we have known and have been

saying congressional republicans will do. which is investigate public servants who have given them no reason to believe they should be investigated, investigate and interfere in ongoing investigations and a move that is just completely beyond the pale and outside of the normal course of things. and so unfortunately, the timing of the biden docks just presents a perfect opportunity for house republicans have already made clear the session that will be benghazi on steroids, hillary clinton's emails on steroids and this is where they will dig in. >> for, unpredictably republicans a wreck in the airways and trying to convince americans that biden and trump cases are one in the same. now i guess the question could be based on by doesn't matter being for voted republican anyways. the real question is how damaging overall could this be for biden and the democrats and any voters who have been on the fence? >> oh, i don't see any damage from biden and the democrats. i do see a continuing problem for the non based republican

voters who looks at this republican party, who talk for the last two years about what they would do when given the reigns of power in american government like the republican majority congress to actually do things to try and fix certain situations that they think need remedy. whether it be around the economy, whether be around gas prices, any of these elements and yet they are engaged in the weaponization of the rule of law against political opponents. i think it's a fiasco for them and i think that again, any american voter who is a non maga base voter will see this for what it is. the more that they draw this contrast and try and create what is clearly a false equivalency corey, i think it will blow up in their face. if you want a quick metaphor, this with the classified documents and vice president biden is the equivalent of driving on a country rural road, you maybe take your eyes off in front of me for a second. they hit the bar in the new pull over, nobody is watching. you call the police, call the

insurance, reported and you fill out the paperwork. you move on in your life. by comparison, what trump has done is the equivalent of someone with ten duis driving in the middle of downtown without a drivers license crashing into the police station lobby and then walking away from the scene of the crime saying that your rights are being impeded on. it's absurd and this is why the republican embrace of trump continues to be problematic. if they distance himself from him after the january six insurrection which coincidentally was led by president trump, they might have the moral authority now to go after biden with this optical problem. since that does not exist, it only draws a contrast which i don't think republicans in congress will benefit from, when you have donald trump on the other side of what is being held up for someone to follow the rule clause, will always be a problem. >> let's continue to talk about house republicans.

lucy, speaker mccarthy said he was willing to look at calls to expunge trump's impeachment. what exactly would that mean and what it affect anything? >> i don't think it would affect anything but i do think that it's ridiculous. i guess the downstream effect would be that in future ap u.s. history course is, there would be an extra section in the story of trump's impeachment and about the expungement of this impeachment. trump is who trump is, what does is done. i think that republicans can spend time on something like an expungement, i think republicans could do that would be very effective would be if they actually worked on governing and thought about which issues they had the support of the american people on. they could think about issues around tax code or health care or entrepreneurship and a number of things right? that would be what we all parties in power would do and think about governance. i don't think that any base

voters, even people who are more to trump are willing to vote for someone like trump really care about an expungement or impeachment and just a complete waste of time inside show. this is very good for democrats, we knew that republicans when they win the majority were going to spend their time and wasting taxpayer funds on this kind of garbage. they don't have a big enough majority to do it i think in a way that it is truly, truly damaging to governance. so while some of the things that the committee is very frightening, i do think that we will see as republicans are going to spin their wheels in a clown show for the next two years. >> i mean this congressional session is shaping up to be interesting to say the least, we are on week one. lucy caldwell and fernando amandi, we will be sticking around with us. thanks guys. and coming up, we will dive deeper into the flurry of investigations republicans are launching now that they have the upper hand in the house. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. in the pot ♪

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formally invited president biden to deliver the state of the union address to congress, february 7th. the invitation comes as congress faces its first set of challenges with the debt ceiling. in a letter to congress, treasury secretary, janet yellen, warned that the u.s. is expected to hit the limit this upcoming thursday. and that all emergency measures may be exhausted by june. meanwhile, house republicans have spent their first week and majority zeroing in on investigating president biden. joining me now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent, julie tsirkin. julie, welcome back and, thank you for being in with us. house republican set to be organizing a contingency plan for dealing with the debt limit. what can you tell us about this and how congress is preparing for this critical moment? >> well, cory, first let's take a step back in and make sure our viewers understand what the debt limit is because the money that congress already appropriated, excuse me, the debt limit is what money

congress already appropriated. so, essentially, not lifting that debt limit once it's reached, once it's emergency measures are exhausted in june would mean that at least 20% or so of those programs that congress already funded would have to be cut. now, who decides who makes those cuts if republicans, especially in the house, stick by their guns and don't help democrats, don't provide any votes in raising this debt ceiling once the government hits that catastrophic point, which janet yellen predicts will be in june? i want you to take a listen to what chip roy had to say, actually, on cnn last sunday. we will talk about why we are playing this now after the bite. watch. >> look, i'm, you know, i'm not going to play to what if games on how we will use the tools in the house to make sure that we enforce the terms of the agreement, but we will use the term tools of the house to enforce the terms of the agreement. >> so, to be clear, chip roy lead the faction of house republicans on the house freedom caucus in demanding concessions from mccarthy for

his speakership gavel. the main concession here made on the debt limit, these deficit hawks, as they describe themselves, don't want to add any more money to the national deficit, which is now at 31 and a half trillion dollars. and one of their tools is, they made a disagreement with mccarthy, this backroom handshake,. listen, we will not provide you any votes unless you lift the debt ceiling, with strings attached, meaning future spending will be cut. so, that's an important place to watch here and you heard chip roy there, not closing the door on potentially calling up a motion to vacate mccarthy from that position, which is one of those main concessions he made in that rules package last week. >> and in addition to this, what can you tell us about the numerous house investigations being launched by the republican majority? >> well look, when president biden comes here on february 7th to deliver his state of the union address with kevin mccarthy sitting behind him, you see that list on your screen, the house republican majority is already in the middle of launching these investigations. in fact, just two days after

the committees were organized this week, james comer, the chairman of the oversight committee, already launched a full investigation into the biden family. of course, there are other components to. the southern border, the administration's response to that, the origins of covid, another one, big tech in the hot seat, as well. of course, looking into these biden documents. that's what jim jordan is going to do in the judiciary committee, and he's also chairing the weaponization of the government committee. a new panel that they created. it's not clear exactly what they will look into, but the main line from him is looking to see if federal government potentially had anything against conservatives, especially on social media. of course, none of that has been proven, but that's what this new house majority plans to take on. >> we are going to unpack all of this. julie tsirkin on capitol hill for us, thanks, julie, we appreciate it. we will unpack all of this with a political strategist, lucy caldwell, and democratic pollster, fernand amani, who are back with us. now fernand, one of the big

things are republicans, as julie just talked about, is the weaponization of government subcommittee led by congressman, jim jordan. one of the goals of the inquiry investigating by -- within the department of justice and the fbi, as well as, quote, to oversee ongoing criminal investigations. so, what could this look like for ongoing investigations in january 6th, as well as other inquiries into former president trump? >> well, -- the house republicans looking into the weaponization of government are now weaponizing, cory, the debt ceiling lifting, which would have not just catastrophic consequences, potentially, for our american economy. you are talking about potential loss of 6 million jobs, something like 14 trillion in wealth across the country would also cause, perhaps, a global economic meltdown. the united states has never defaulted on its debt, yet, this is part of the deal with the devil that kevin mccarthy,

the negotiated with the house freedom insurrection caucus, in order to get the necessary votes to become speaker. so, i think that's part of why now you see jim jordan and others using these other committees to distract from the central reality, which is, they do not want to cover, they don't know how to govern, and in their twisted base republican maga voter philosophy, if they can crash the american economy, even if they do it single-handedly as the controlling entity of the lower chamber, corey, their calculus is, we live in the united states. by the time the presidential election of 2024 rolls around, the republicans in the congress are not going to be linking. it'll be president biden who this would've happened, presumably, under his watch. i think it's a very dangerous moment that we find ourselves in, and that's why you have to take these threats not just seriously. i think you need to start seeing the federal government act to do everything possible to prevent this completely

avoidable debt ceiling collapse from transpiring. >> all right, lucy, taking this a step further, the house oversight committee chairman, james comer of kentucky, has begun to seek out biden's family financial records. what do you think republicans are hoping for their? >> we will, i think they're hoping to make the case that the biden family has been personally enriched by joe biden positions of power over the last several decades. look, i mean, this is really what we're seeing. kevin mccarthy is an mp vessel and kevin mccarthy is a person people who are close to mccarthy know that his and tire life ambition his, grandest ambition, from the time that he first was in congress and even before, was to become speaker of the house. he is a political animal to and all political animals, and he's an empty vessel. so, what does kevin mccarthy do last week? he made about the -- with, i loved what fernand said,

would be a freedom insurrection caucus, and now they're coming to the, chickens are coming home to roost. and so, we see that, in fact, even though, look, the debt ceiling, debt limit, that has been a political chip of republicans for years. it's a dangerous one because, as we said, the spending decisions have already been made and certainly, money is already committed. this is not the way to rain in the national that, but essentially, at an interest, of course, because when we have -- we've seen things like americas credit rating be downgraded. but really, i think that all of this activity, whether it's the debt limit, bonanza, that fight, the threats to vacate the speakership, and of course, this ongoing insane activity that we're about to buckle in fort from jim jordan's subcommittee. i think it really just shows how far the republican party has eroded from anything that resembles governance, and the fact that they're just trying to do anything that they can to

hang on to a base that they have radicalized. so, i think that's the news from kevin mccarthy lined, in short. >> unfortunately, the only people that lose here are the voters, the taxpayers, whether you're on democrat or republican side, doesn't matter what. our thanks to lucy caldwell, fernando monte, for stopping back in with us on this discussion. coming up next, new york congressman, george santos, continues to resist calls to resign, even after it was revealed he lied about large parts of his personal professional life. we will talk to a congressman who filed a complaint with the ethics committee, and hand delivered it to santos's office. that is next. santos's office that is next that is next

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of santos's own party say, he should step down after he admitted to fabricating parts of his biography, including his work, education, and family history. so far, he has rebuffed all of those calls to resign. >> came here to serve the people, not politicians and party leaders, and i'm going to do just that. i was elected by 142,000 people. and all those same hundred and 42,000 people tell me they don't want me, we will find out in two years. >> all right, joining me now, nbc news correspondent, george so bees from sanders's district in long island. george, you are at that rally yesterday. what are you hearing? >> good morning, cory. not just icy weather here, but an icy reception is what awaits george santos if he does appear to show his face here in new york three. many of his constituents, angered, understandably so, given the tangled web of lies and fabrications that have kind of unfolded over the last several days and weeks, as we learn more about george santos. one of the things that we

learned at that rally is that this community is on the lookout for him. they have started a campaign called, where's george? in an effort to spot him out here. they might be advantageous if the weather is a little bit cold and not many people are out. the idea is to find him, tag him on social media, in a way to add pressure to answer to some of these allegations and to get him to step down. a lot of people in this district say, they don't think he can adequately represent their interests, given they don't really know who this guy is. that's coming from both sides of the aisle, people who voted for him and obviously those who did not support him to begin with. now, yesterday, his office was closed. two staffers did eventually open up this district office and they could not answer whether or not george santos would show up during this off week, if he would be here answering any of the complaints from the constituency. i want you to take a listen to what one of the voters told me, who we spoke with at that rally yesterday. >> my basic message is, you are not representing us because we don't even know who you are, and if you want to really best

represent us, you will find something else to represent us who's honest. >> yeah, for, there was one alone george santos supporter who showed up after that rally who said, he's going to stick by his candidate. the only way he expects him to step down, if he's found guilty, of any of these investigations that are currently ongoing. so, that's the latest here in new york three, corey? >> that's very interesting to see kind of how voters on the ground field there -- thank you. joining me now from more on this, democratic congressman, richie torres of new york, who's calling on santos to resign. thank you for being in, representative. you and representative daniel goldman hand delivered an ethics complaint against santos on tuesday. can you tell me why you did that? >> everyone's asking two questions. first, where in the world's george santos? the second question is, when did all the money come from? how did george santos managed to lend himself more than $700,000? as late as 2020, he reported a

salary of $55,000 and then he subsequently reported a salary of somewhere between three point 5 to 11 point $5 million. and the growth in his wealth is so implausible, so inexplicable, that it's not only cause for suspicion, it's grounds for an investigation. and we recently found out that there was an llc named red storm strategies, that raised 100 some thousand or millions of dollars on behalf of george santos. like, there's no public about accounting for those dollars went and how those dollars were spent. red zone never registered with the federal elections commission, never disclosed any of its donors, it deceptively advertise itself as an independent expenditure, and the managing officer for red storm strategies is -- organization owned by george santos, himself. >> that's exactly why we are hearing more and more about these potential financial and criminal investigations into the congressman. how do we prevent another george santos situation from

happening? >> look, for me, it's nothing short of a scandal that a fraudulent candidate like george santos can flagrantly lie to the voters about his qualifications without facing legal consequences. so, that inspired me to partner with dan goldman to introduce the santos act, the stop at nothing, not truthful -- which would require federal candidates to disclose in writing, under oath, under the penalty of perjury, their employment, education, and military history, so that candidates who do light voters can finally be punished,. disclosure would enable voters to compare what a candidate has said on the campaign trail versus what a candidate has said under oath. >> i think that's very smart because the question is, is this a valid vote, given that people were thinking they were voting for one person, then found out they got another person, and somehow, he can say in congress because he got a vote? house speaker, kevin mccarthy, said he would not urge santos to resign and that the voters of new york should instead decide. what do you think of how mccarthy is handling the

situation? >> look, kevin mccarthy needs every vote he can get. and he needs george santos to remain in power. so, republican leadership has no incentive to drain the santos swamp in washington, d.c.. we are witnessing a tale of two republican parties. the local republican party, which has heard directly from the voters, has called on santos to resign. whereas, the national republican party, particularly house republican leadership, has been conspicuously silent about the fraudulence of george santos. elise stefani, who's the head of the republican conference, not only enthusiastically endorsed the fund-raise for george santos in the tune of $100, 000, and ever since the scandal has become publicly known, at least a fonda cat has said nothing about the fraudulence of george santos. not so much as an apology to the voters. so, as far as i'm concerned, the republican party is complicit in the fraud that santos has perpetrated and the voters of new york state.

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after more than two dozen tornadoes hit on thursday. at least seven people died in alabama, after tornadoes struck the state thursday and one person, a five year old boy, died in georgia. destructive winds caused what's -- called, significant damage. officials say, at least 40 to 50 homes in -- alabama were damaged or destroyed. on thursday, alabama governor, kay ivey, issued a state of emergency for six counties affected by those storms. and california is also bracing for a third week of severe winter storms. the bay area and parts of central and southern california are under flood watch or evacuation warnings. the deadly rain and winds have caused massive flooding and large sinkholes, swallowing roads and cards. at least 19 storm related deaths have been reported across the state. governor, gavin newsom, has warned californians to be hypervigilant as storms continue to battle the state. nbc's scott coombe joins me now from -- california. scott, what are the latest conditions there, where you are?

>> well, in a word, cory, it's miserable. it's raining, the wind has picked up. that's a problem because it comes on top of two weeks of heavy rains. and so, the wind can topple trees that are already weakened. you can see behind me, that's the salinas river. well, there's a road, normally a bridge, over the salinas river. the salinas river, a major waterway in this part of the state that goes about 175 miles from southeast to northwest. and the worry here is that it's cutting off communities, it's cutting off some precious farmland. and so, a lot of worries about that continued flooding, continued erosion here and along the coast. in the state of 40 million people, now some 15 million are under some form of flood advisories. >> we can't emphasize enough how we can illuminate and reduce the amount of fatalities,

just by human behavior. whether it's don't travel if you don't need to, watch out for the first responders, don't go around barriers, don't go into floodwaters, whether you're walking, standing, driving. it's just really, really imperative that you stay away from standing water. don't drive around the barriers. it's critical. >> the salinas river is above flood stage now and expected to stay that way through the middle of the week. there may be some light at the end of the tunnel here. forecasters, saying this weather pattern is expecting to change and possibly by the end of next week, we could be in for a little bit of a dry spell. much needed and not a moment too soon, corey? >> absolutely and we hope you stay safe that year, you and your crew. scott form -- thank you, scott. well, nearly 100 years ago, willett and charles bruce, a black couple, had their

southern california beach front property seized by the local government. just six months ago, after a long battle, the descendants of the bruce family one. that stolen land back. but now the families facing some criticism after it was announced that they're selling the property back to los angeles county, for nearly $20 million. in a statement, the family said, quote, we know this decision will not suit everyone, but it is the best step for each of us to take, to pursue our individual dreams for our future. joining me now is stephan ward, founder of justice for bruce's beach, and where is my land? lamont, thank you for being in. this was a hard-fought battle. what was your reaction when you heard that the family sold the property back to the county? >> i was a little surprised. i was a little disappointed. you know, disappointed that the land that i worked so hard for and the community had worked so hard to get back was just going to be sold back to the county. i was disappointed. >> now, there has been that

criticism that the community was left out of the decision. but an attorney for the family told the l.a. times that, quote, taking the proceeds of that sale and investing it in their own future -- restoring some of what the family lost. what do you make of the criticism and the response to it? >> i mean, everyone gets to choose what they want to do with their money, right? but i felt like there was some type of social responsibility attached to that because of the historical significance of it. the -- county was going to be leasing the land from the family for over $400,000 a year. the family could've kept the land, continue to lease it, and just have faith that decision makers and, you know, the city of manhattan beach would switch out and change, so that the zoning laws could be change, that would allow for them to develop the land. i mean, i understand, you know, having to wait years to work with, you know, the governing body that made that happen.

but i mean, they were going to get some -- -- so, i would've liked for them to hold on to -- vision could be realized. >> yeah, to try to make an even larger impact. in a video posted to the, where is my land, twitter account, you said that you were hopeful that the bruce family will donate to the cause, that got them the $20 million. have you been in contact with the family and how do you think a donation could help the future causes? >> i mean, right, now we have about 600 solutions of folks from across the country asking us to help them. and we need to ramp up, just build more capacity, so that we can help folks because people have been waiting so long for help. and so yeah, i think that at the very least, the bruises should donate significantly to the movement that got them their $20 million. i do, i hope they do the right thing. there has been a commitment, but there has been no follow-up on that commitment. so, i want to hear back from them. >> okay, and your organization has also called on the california reputations task force to consider assisting in

the effort to help other blind families reclaim stolen land. can you tell us what land the organization is currently fighting to reclaim? and how the task force can help? >> absolutely, so we have a huge group and -- county, the city of hayward. there is a city of black, predominantly black city called russell city, that was completely removed from the map and over 1400 black families lost their land. only for the land to be rented out to a multi billion dollar companies. and so, i think that the state of california has a responsibility to help all black families, not just the bruises. because there are about, we've got 50 solutions so far from folks in the state of california. so, there's a lot of work to do and i'm hopeful that, you know, the state does the right thing and help us help those black families get repair. >> based on what we know from history, talk about 50 submissions. i'm willing to bet that's not even a drop in the bucket for

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found at president biden's home in delaware, and the penn biden center, where he hosts his think tank. those documents prompted attorney general, merrick garland, to appoint a special counsel to oversee the investigations into the handling of those documents. joining me now, charles coleman junior, civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst in glenn kershner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. we are also, we do have charlie savage by phone, new york times washington correspondent. so, luckily, we are able to get everybody back in for this late breaking news. charles, let's begin with you. what does it say at the white house released this particular statement this morning? they've been steadily shaping the narrative here of cooperation, thinking this is a way to get ahead of the narrative. >> well, i do think it's a way to get ahead of the narrative, cory. i do think that they've had the benefit of being able to craft a narrative. of course, the benefit of being able to see how it does not work out well for you, when you don't get ahead of the things, all of, donald trump. at the end of the day, i think

it's very important people understand we are not talking about the same thing with donald trump and joe biden. you can understand that because of the sheer number of documents that were found. we're talking about six in the case of joe biden, in this instance, six additional documents which i believe might bring the total to still under 20, versus over 300 with respect to donald trump. you're talking about consistently cooperating with federal investigators. you're talking about stepping up, stepping forward, understanding that it's important to let people know, look, we're being transparent. these documents were found, we are returning them. as compared to donald trump, whose -- every step of the way. so, these are still not at all the same situations. >> all right charlie, really quick. your thoughts here? >> the big question is, why did they say on thursday morning there was one additional document that was found, then it turns out there were six additional documents found on thursday? the clarifying timeline here is that they didn't know about the other five until thursday night. biden's lawyers had found one

page wednesday night. they told the justice department about it on thursday morning. they put out that statement saying one page thursday morning, but they don't have security clearances. they say. and therefore, they stopped looking at that -- a document like this. then a white house lawyer, who does have classified clearance, went out thursday night to meet the justice department, and they looked a little bit more on that space, that's where the other five -- so, an important question about, why did they see on thursday one when it was six on thursday? because one was all in you about when they said that. >> all right, charlie savage clarified what has been revealed in this new statement. glenn, we are out of time, but we will have you back on next time. thank you for playing, my friend. thanks to all of my late breaking news guests for wrapping up this hour for us. that will do it for me. stay tuned for more news with alex witt coming up. it alex witt coming up. alex witt coming up. throat relief, try vicks vapocool drops with two times more menthol per drop*, and the powerful rush of vicks vapors for fast-acting relief you can feel. vicks vapocool drops.

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