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found at his home. let's go back to alex -- nbc's aly rafah who's with the president in delaware. ali, what can you tell us about this? >> yeah, alex this latest drip of information really just adding pressure on the biden administration. president biden himself to answer more questions. right now, we have way more questions than answers at this point, especially considering the new development that just came down and the last hour with these two new statements from president biden's personal attorney as well as the special counsel to the president of the white house, and right now as reaction pours in we know the president biden remains at his wilmington home where we learn to just, the last hour of course do these new statements, five additional statements with classified markings were discovered on thursday, on president biden's wilmington home. in a box, initially uncovered by the president's personal lawyers on wednesday, that was in that it basement room next to the garage where a second
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batch of documents was discovered on december 20th in the new statement from special counsel richard bauer, he says personal attorneys are not allowed to review classified documents, and he says quote, because i have a security clearance, i went to wilmington thursday evening to facilitate providing the document at the presidents personal counsel found it wednesday to the justice department. why was transferring it to the doj officials to accompany, me five additional documents with classification marquise were discovered among the material with it, for a total of six pages. the doj officials with me immediately took possession of them. he immediately -- against trust that the white house will -- but alex, this is really raising more quick questions in addition to the ones that we have already out poured to the white house, specifically, he says that personal attorneys don't have security clearance to be able to handle these documents. so why, it begs the question, his personal attorney is allowed to continue to search
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president biden's home, or homes rather, plural, in rehoboth and wilmington, after they had discovered classified documents at the pen biden center. it raises questions as to what lever of classification these additional pages fall under after one of those pages at the penn biden center was discovered to be sti. the highest level of classification. also, who had access to these documents in the years that they were there? who packed them, why did some of them end up at the penn biden center, and others at biden's wilmington home? as with so many more questions at this point, that we have answers, questions that we hope to get answered. by the white house at some point over the next few hours, possibly days. >> okay, and we hope to get some insight right, now thank you so much, ali roth up for that. let's bring in luke broadwater, congressional reporter for the new york times, and aggressive reuben joining us again. welcome to you both, look let's put this on perspective, give
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me your reaction to these new developments, and how significant is this new discovery? >> sure, well i think the first thing that everyone agrees on is that similar cases should be treated similarly. that is what everyone on the hill is talking about with democrats and republicans. and so, look, mishandling classified information is a serious matter, and it has to be dealt with seriously. and that is why we have these investigations going on. the key difference here, as i see, it is the reaction of the two different camps between biden and trump. what they did once they discovered the classified documents. it seems to me that pretty quickly, the biden lawyers are getting somebody with the security clearance in there to transfer these documents to the archives or the justice department, and in the case of donald trump, that did not take place for a year, and that was the reason the national
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archives asked the justice department to refer the matter, and then to ultimately search the premises. and so the key difference is the reaction here between the two sides. that is not to say that there isn't a very serious matter here that deserves investigation. >> look, you hundreds and right on all of that, but do you think about fact that you are pointing out there, the cooperation, or the lack thereof, do you think that is being disseminated accurately and and being consumed by the american public? are people seeing it that way? >> i think the responsible news agencies are doing that, and we're doing that at the new york times, and provide the right caveats in the right nuance as we report on this matter. but, look this is a drip drip drip situation. every time we think that we maybe got to the bottom of these classified documents, there is more to learn, and now there with a court of, it and go there with the garage, and the more things keep coming out, the more revelations there are,
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it keeps raising questions about president biden's handling of classified documents and the fact that he criticized, he criticize trump saying he was not very responsible, and then those same criticisms can be turned back at him. >> lisa, one of the major concerns in the trump documents investigation is whether there is evidence of obstruction. do you suspect that this new discovery will raise similar concerns to the special counsel, or is this showing that the biden team is adequately forthcoming about all of this? >> if the facts show, alex, ultimately that this reporting done by the biden ministration and by the personal lawyers is in fact accurate, i don't think it raises the same concerns at all. for the reasons that luke was describing. look, we have the presidents personal lawyer's go to the wilmington residents, this week, when they were finishing the review, they identified a single page. and then what they did is important. the person who did not have a
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security clearance stopped. they identified the document, they set aside the box, and whatever else is in it, and then they had dick -- come up to the wilmington residents with a security clearance and accompanied by people the department justice to presumably not only kind of that, page look through the reminder of the contents of the box. we never had anything approximating that level of forthcoming this from the trump administration or the people surrounding president trump. you will recall, in february 2022, when trump first handed over 15 boxes to the national archives, they did not identify to the national archives that there were any classified documents inside. the national archives then discovered 100 in 83 of, them and then referred the matter to the department of justice. after, that there was a subpoena. the response to that subpoena was also less than fully forthcoming, and the people involved in it for me lori specht it were also the people who did not have security clearances. it was only after a further subpoena for surveillance teams,
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which showed that walt -- who lived in the white house oval office as a valid, now actually president trump's personal capacities, showing him moving things in and out of a storage closet, that is when the department of justice in august of last year went to the search warrant. it's over a series of months, we had a variety of instances of destructive conduct. if not by the former president himself, by others around him, and probably a combination of the two. there is nothing yet to suggest that is what is going on here by the biden administration or by the presidents personal lawyers. >> you make very good points there. luke, with respect to the timing of all of this, we also have new reporting from nbc that democratic allies, they are -- with the white house's response to the classified documents. how might this new revelations change the white house response, or are their hands tied because they have to wait out the investigation, as lisa and i spoke in the last hour, the
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advice will be, don't say anything until you absolutely have to or until all of the facts are there that -- we know the full picture. >> yeah, so the biden white house so far has been putting out limited information, day-by-day, and then referring follow-up questions to the justice department. and that may be the proper way to handle things, but i do think it will be unsatisfying to many in the political arena. you are already seeing these republican investigations ramped up on capitol hill, and they will be trying to put him under tremendous scrutiny. and democrats have been defending joe biden, saying that he has handled things as responsibly as he can, but they are also avid caveats -- caveats, saying that we don't know the full story. so each time there's additional reporting to this coming out, i think it does raise questions, even among democrats on the hill. they don't want to be caught fully defending something, and then turn out to look foolish
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afterwards, if something worse happens, and there are more classified documents somewhere else, or other facts emerge. and the truth, is once you get a special counsel investigation going, even if the fact pattern makes it look innocuous at the beginning, you don't necessarily know with that special counsel will find. he could find anything. it's a lot of people are now saying that they want to remain -- reserve judgment until they hear more. >> so lisa, what are the challenges that the biden legal team has to try to balance compliance with the investigation, and yet still be truthful with the public. we have talked about how it is hard -- proved to stay quiet, but legally speaking, are they advised to not say anything. it's not something that the lawyers going to tell them? >> look, i think that a lawyer ordinarily would tell a client, as you and i have discussed before, you don't say anything, but here, not only do they have to balance political considerations against that legal, one but alex, in many instances, when the biden team
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has talked, it seems as if they are either preempting or reacting to some sort of a. leak let's, remember the way in which we found out about this in the first place is not because the biden administration decided to speak, it's because cbs news broke the story on monday to classified documents were found at the penn biden center. each time, of the white house with the president's personal lawyers have chosen to speak, it is because some further fact has developed, and to get ahead of the story, they would rather have that come from them rather than come from reporting, which is why, this morning for example, his statements came either contemporaneous with charlie savage's reporting, and the new york times, or slightly after it. i'm not sure exactly have the, timing but that is another issue, here which is that someone is talking about this investigation, or someone is talking, and the lawyers have to be cognizant of that and the public optics of those disclosures as well. >> and trying to control the narrative. okay, luke broadwater and lisa
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rubin, thank you both. that was a great conversation. also new today for all of, you reaction just a short time ago to house republicans first act as congressional leaders launching a flurry of investigations into the biden administration on everything from what gop numbers called weaponization of government agencies like the department of justice, to the treatment of january six capitol riot defendants. one congresswoman told me, it goes against republicans own campaign promises. >> they were running about the border, running about crime, they were worried about inflation, and yet this first week, they showcase none of those issues. and so they are not serious. we are going to be investigating the investigators trying to learn what is going on investigations investigations that may even include some of my colleagues. some on the committee. this is a very dangerous blurring of the responsibilities. >> well the new warning to congress from treasury secretary janet yellen, that
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the u.s. will hit its debt limit in just five days on thursday, this is the amount the u.s. can borrow to pay for the obligations like social security, like medicare, military, salaries and truth on the national debt, tax refunds, other payments as well, and house republicans are expected to demand some major spending cuts. let's go now to nbc's julie tsirkin on capitol hill for us, so julie, it is a showdown that is looming over how u.s. is going to continue to pay for the nations bills. what are republicans playing to do to respond to the treasury secretary's warning that congress needs to act fast. >> look, republicans in the house are already coming up with creative solutions if the debt limit is reached. that is in part because a group of them led by jim, what some of those deficit hawks on the freedom caucus ended up doing a secret handshake with mccarthy saying look, if you put a clean bill to lift the debt ceiling which is what most republicans and most democrats want on capitol hill, then we are going to put up a fight.
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we are not going to let that happen. instead, they want to ensure that if they are going to lift the debt ceiling, that future spending will be slashed, which of course will not fly, especially in the senate. a long senate, democrats don't want that happen. this is gearing up to be a major showdown and one of the important things to remember is that congress is lifting the debt of what they already appropriated. bills they already passed, programs that have already started. so figuring out according to some republicans which of those to slash in order to breach the debt limit is a conversation that we had in 2011 when former president obama inherited a new republican majority in the house. we were at the same point. the scary part here is, mccarthy made this concession with these members for his gavel. essentially, if things don't go their way, it is either the debt limit doesn't get reached and we default on our debt, or mccarthy loses his gavel because anyone member according to these rules he negotiated can actually call the vote of
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no confidence and take him out of that position. a lot to watch in the space. >> so let me ask you one more question here and that is, at the helm, he has many new plans, that includes potentially expunging the impeachment of donald trump. either one or both. what is that about? >> that was a question he was asked by a reporter on thursday. he said, it certainly -- he is looking into this. let's talk about where that even came from. there were two pieces of legislation floating around to expunge the former president's second impeachment, even the first having to do with ukraine in 2019. the interesting thing here is that not a lot of signatures, not let people sign on to that, but one of the people who did is congresswoman elise stefanik who is actually mccarthy's number for. she is a member of the leadership team. i want you to take a listen to what mccarthy said when a reporter asked him that question. >> there is been some interesting --
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what do you think of that? is that something that you be supportive of? >> our have to look, when you find that the final information, that the russia document was all a lie, you watch one through, i understand why members would want to bring that forward. i understand why individuals want that. >> we look at it, it's not necessarily his top priority that he is touting himself, but it won't do much to reverse history here and what former president trump has been accused of, his trial, at least seven republicans voted to not equipped him to convict him of the crime after january 6th. the bottom line is, the house republicans have an aggressive agenda to hold oversight of the biden -- how the money spent in ukraine and here obviously indie in d.c. with the latest on the documents, the oversight committee and the judiciary committee chair all looking into that. a lot to watch here in the oversight space as the house
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house even don trump new energy to revive old gripes about the intelligence community. but this time, he says his allegations are supported by the so-called twitter files. internal communications released from elon musk took over. >> the corrupt officials at the fbi have been coordinating a massive censorship, surveillance, and propaganda campaign against the american people. frankly, against me. what they wanted coming out was
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anything bad about your favorite president, me. >> okay, fbi officials have repeatedly said the twitter correspondent shows long-standing information sharing that helps companies protect themselves, as well as their customers. well, joining me now, clint watts, former fbi special agent. now nbc news and msnbc national security analyst. clint, i was good to have you here. let's get into this. have you seen this movie before? is trump returning to his old outlandish playbook? >> yeah, that was a pretty wicked speech. i had not seen that clip. i was trying to understand it because i think he was about the biggest person on twitter for a long time. it's interesting that they were trying to keep his speech from being out on twitter. i think he was probably the center of gravity of twitter for a couple years there. separately, it's also strange because the government, whether it be law enforcement or given state governments, have relationships with social media
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companies. that extends back to the global war on terror. that's really where it began. when we were trying to figure out what al-qaeda was doing on social media. how al-shabaab was using a platform like twitter to communicate and do tax -- that is really where those relationships and from. the other part is, the natural consequence of doing any sort of investigation that will go to any tech company in terms of communication. issue subpoenas, try to get some sort of information related to criminal cases. i think that is what you are alluding to at the start there. this is a relationship for the most part. that is where a lot of this is focused in. >> new did she judiciary committee, he's already on it. how would hearings impact the intelligence community -- with the showing effect, what condoms could this do to the practical aspects of fbi investigations and the rules that the fbi take in that?
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>> what is confusing in all of it is, what they want the relationship to be in terms of law enforcement. i read a really good summary in one of the newspapers here this morning which is, this was the party that was running on crime. i think that was in the black area. how would we go about enforcing crime? well, everybody has some sort of social media plouffe profile or internet profile. i'm sure some of the topics that we are gonna be talking about today. a lot of them are -- building those trusting relationship for the companies when it comes to subpoenas, returning evidence. what i'm confused about is which direction does the political party want to go when it comes to law enforcement. do they want to be able to go ahead and investigate crimes? if they do, then they have to give them the powers to do this legally. with oversight, and what they are arguing about oftentimes is in complete contradiction to many of those provisions that they need to develop with law enforcement. >> so when you combine trump's
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rant against law enforcement entities and then house republicans approving a select committee to investigate what they're calling the weaponization of government, what are possible national security implications of that? >> i think the biggest and most immediate one is a pullback of law enforcement wanting to coordinate or work with the private sector. and what is predominantly the case, particularly over the last decade or so is this building a public private partnerships. these partnerships work well, particularly in the case of cyber for example where most of the attacks occur in the private sector. but then overthrew with law enforcement in conjunction. anytime that split, and time there's tension in there or lack of trust, that really hurts the american people. it hurts the american consumers at that work with technological companies. particularly in terms of how much our life is almost systems. think bigger picture, let's think longer run. what with the actual laws be, the purpose of congress and part of these oversight is to parts. one is in terms of budget and
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how they're going to resource these law enforcement agencies. does that impact the budget, especially in an era where we need to grow our capabilities in terms of cyber investigations? and technological investigations. the last part is, what is the law that they want to implement to actually govern this? what are they for if it's not what is currently happening, what do they want to see change. when you look back on january 6th and now, i think that's one of the things that i'm still really mystified about. what we want our law enforcement agencies to do to prevent an insurrection? what will we let them look at? it is not clear more than two years later. >> here is something alarming, congressman eric swalwell posted a recorded call that he received after being removed from the intelligence committee by republican leadership. here is that call, take a listen to this. >> getting you kicked off the committee is the least of your problems. the american people are going to be happy till we see you hanged by the neck until death.
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dead. dead. dead legally. through trial. have a nice swing. >> how alarming is this to you? congressman swalwell says republicans are mocked characterizing the recent removal from the intel committee and the fbi never suggested he did anything wrong. is this the result of these attacks on law enforcement? >> i think it is just the bigger picture of how our rhetoric is in this country. when you look at this, every time you see the media, elected leaders, officials and allegations targeting one individual or another, you see more violent rhetoric. what we see traditionally over the last 6 to 7 years? increased rhetoric, at least to increase violence. what are the targets of those? that is domestic terrorism. we know what the target is going to be, it appears and attacks from influential people. the more likely he will be attacked in real life. i think it is the known. the known is that the target is
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going to be. the target -- i think the calls that you hear and you displayed are reflective of that. >> a very sobering issue. i'm glad we went through it together. clint watts, thank you so much. there is a list and it is long. now there's another twist in the saga of george santos. santos. santos. my network has gone kaput! (cecily) you tried to save a buck on it? (einstein) not so smart. (cecily) well, there is a smarter way to save. (einstein) oh?! (cecily) switch to verizon! (vo) that's right. for a limited time get verizon unlimited for just $25 a line, guaranteed for 3 years. (einstein) brilliant! (vo) only on verizon. millions have made the switch from the big three to the best kept secret in wireless: xfinity mobile. that means millions are saving hundreds a year with the fastest mobile service. and now, get the best price for two lines of unlimited.
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behind me, the salinas river. the riverbank should be beyond those trees, but of course it is gone over the road. that is one of the concerns, this river is expected to say near flood stage for several days. the concern has been, this is monterrey county, there is a beautiful coastline, there was also some 20,000 acres of farmland that are affected by all of this. the concern has been the parts of the county could be cut off if this river were to go higher. they think they may have it under control but we will see. to add insult to injury, this is not necessarily alleviating california's historic drought. we have made some great strides as the numbers show since we went into this rainy season. still nearly half of the state is under extreme drought. the state does not have the infrastructure to capture a lot of this rain. experts say that needs to change. >> i think these recent heavy
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rain events have been a wake up call in helping those of us that have been thinking about how to be more creatively reimagined, a water infrastructure that takes advantage of both surface water and groundwater supplies. thinking about how they interact together. also, utilizing all available land services. >> now, the forecast going into the next week is that we may be getting a change in this relentless weather pattern. the parade of storms that are hitting us before new year's. the concern is whether it will be enough to keep the drought under control. we will see what happens as the year goes on. but alex, this has been a very difficult time. the water hasn't receded so we don't know yet how bad the damages. >> they saw erie to see it, i spent a lot of time there. it is beautiful. thank you so much, scott.
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also new today, a slew of resurfaced online posts painting a chilling picture of the man accused of killing four students in idaho. according to the new york times, then teenager a brian kohberger posted several travel troubling messages that said he felt no emotion and could do whatever he wanted with little remorse. let's bring in investigative reporter for idaho state. kevin has written several articles on this case. welcome back, kevin. i'm glad to talk to you about this. what else do these posts reveal about kohberger? >> the new york times had the exclusives on that. it shows an individual who had a troubled history. those are details that we just haven't been able to corroborate at this point. >> we do know that people who have known kohberger, they are starting to speak out since his arrest. let's take a listen together what one woman who claims to have gone on a date with him said about their interaction, here it is. >> he he seemed normal until we
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got back to my dorm. he got pushy. this is a day i told my friends about just because it was a little weird. especially his last comment to me. however, i really thought about it until i saw him again. it made me look at it like wow, he really could have hurt me or anyone really. >> so, we don't know, we have not cooperated that she in fact went on a date with him. that said, what she is saying, does her count lineup with other descriptions of kohberger? what have you heard from other people who knew him? >> i spoke with two peers of his at washington state university in the criminal justice department, to graduate students. both did say that he had a knack for being condescending
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to female classmates. i would say that potentially lines up. we all started doing this analysis. since 2020, of course. we are going after wait and see what else comes out during the future trial. >> we're looking at pictures of him in court. how would you describe his demeanor there this week? how did it compare with earlier appearances? >> i was in the courtroom in the video you're showing. i would say he appeared to be somewhat a motionless. he definitely is engaged and eyes for, direct eye contact with the judge. she's asking a few questions. kind of a stiff upper lip. you have to understand, this is somebody who has a background in criminal justice and he appeared to be someone taking it all in. someone now himself going through the process itself. you can see on his chin there, this came up, he appeared to have some additional scratches.
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the reporting showed through the jail that currently go were from saving. not something to be terribly concerned about, but it was something that was around there. >> given the fact they were there in that courtroom, give me a sense of what that felt like when he comes in. i've been in courtrooms before, i covered capital murder case once. i know when the accused was brought in, prior to trial, prior to conviction. there is a chill. what is like being in that room looking at him, knowing of what he is accused of doing? >> the whole hearing on thursday was only about five minutes. it started a handful of minutes late. there was no members of the victims families present. the attorney for the gonzalez family was there to represent them. you have a circus of media to be honest. there were 50 members of the press who were in attendance, filling about five cues located
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behind kohberger, the prosecution, and the defense. there were certainly a quiet, it was almost a buildup to his arrival. the door opens, he comes in, you could hear the shackles around his ankles. he kind of meandered in, found his seat, and the process began. just a back and forth. he answered three questions from the judge. two yeses, one no. essentially asking, did he understand that he was waiting for his right to a speedy preliminary hearing within 14 days of his initial hearing which was just over a week ago. he is set now to spend the next five and have months in late all county jail. and all his preliminary hearing on monday june 26th. >> that is when he will enter a plea, correct? >> potentially, but actually it is set to be as long as a week, or as long as it will take for a prosecution to lay out all
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the evidence so far in the affidavit. he could come that it, but it's also likely it could come after that. >> later in the week. kevin fixler, good to talk with you again. i'm sure we will be speaking again soon. meantime, prince harry telling all about his tell-all. what you may have missed from his interviews promoting the vaseline nonfiction book in the uk. uk. like the nest cam with floodlight, with intelligent alerts when a person or familiar face is detected. so you can listen in... sam. and even speak up. sophie's not here tonight. i can show her the video tomorrow, and you can keep playing. thank you. that would be great. ♪ this feels so right... ♪ when the most trusted name in home security adds the intelligence of google, you have a home with no worries. brought to you by adt.
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developments in the george santos scandal. the new york times is now reporting that many well connected republicans knew about the freshman congressman slice well before the midterms, but they chose to look the other way. nbc's george is now joining us from new york. that is inside santos's district. george, welcome. is all of this new reporting on the death of santos's lies, is it changing anyone's mind? >> good afternoon, alex. a lot of constituents here in this district, noticeably upset. they're angry that they elected a guy who they thought they knew. it turns out, he is not the guy at all. he -- these fabrications, these lies that keep unfolding one after the other, many are wondering if he is even going to show face here in this district this week while they are on break. there is even a trending has tied right now, over social media. if they spot him here, this district was open briefly yesterday for a little bit.
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some of its aides in there trying to answer questions if he would show up. we went in there and asked if they knew anything about his appearance. they couldn't answer us. we just want to reiterate, set the scene about who is calling for him to step down. you will notice right there, a lot of people from new york, a lot of gop leaders here are calling for him to step down. even here in nassau county. some of the newly elected -- summers fellow freshman congressional leaders are calling on him to step down. noticeably, absent, is the leadership in the house to ask for him to step down this moment. we're still waiting to see if that will happen. all of this of course is building pressure on him to make that call, whether or not he will or were not step down. yesterday, there was a rally outside his district office. many of his constituents out there outspoken, ready for him to step down, hoping that he will. another election will take place. their voices are adequately represented. today, i spoke to a voter out here in this district.
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he told me, yeah, it's kind of hard to argue that this guy is going to be in our interest when we know so little about him. take a listen to what he told me. >> whether or not i think he should resign or not, he is ultimately going to be with people. >> he is left in the hands of them. it will take 140,000 to get me to step down. >> i would sign on to that. it's not because of my politics. i just think any relationship predicated on a lie is bound for failure. >> just to recap some of those lies, we know that he lied about where he went to college, he lied about his family, his heritage, his employment. there was even that lie that kind of got a little bit of the fodder as far as being a star volleyball player at the college, which we know is false. there's even unverified claims about a pet rescue that he
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started. again, all of this is don't add up. it is very hard to find people who support him, although we have spoken to one or two who are willing to wait and see if he will make good during his two years, unless of course he is charged with any crimes. >> to them, i said hope springs eternal. thank you very much, appreciate that. overseas now, a new revelation from prince harry about his contentious relationship with the royal family. the duke of sussex telling a uk paper that he did not include everything that happened between him and his brother and father in his book because they would quote, never forgive him. it comes amid the media blitz about the controversial tell-all fair which has become the fastest selling nonfiction book of all time. it is a goodness book of world records statement there. >> i've never seen the level of abuse and harassment that i witnessed my wife. the british press jumped on him right away. i was incredibly naive.
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i had no idea the brush were so bigoted. i fear the end result, the fact i lost my mom was 12 years old could easily happen against my wife. >> your arguments with your brother became physical. >> it was a buildup of frustration i think on his part. >> he speak to bully now? you text? >> currently, no. there has always been this competition between us. again, i think it really plays into the air spare. >> the speaker died? >> we are spoken for quite awhile. not recently. >> join me now from london, nbc's molly hunter. molly, let's talk about the sentiment. what are you sensing there in the uk after this exhaustive week of interviews and disclosures? >> yeah, alex, exhaustive weekend.
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i am one of the many, many owners of this book. of course, across the world. i think when you listen to all the interviews. there has been itv over here, there's been 60 minutes, he spoke with anderson cooper. i will get to the telegraph interview. you hear prince harry making one really big message, kind of exhaustively as you said. it -- he wants to make sure that the listener, the reader understands that he is justified in writing this book, that the reason he wrote this book, this is a defensive tell-all kind of truth seeking book. in his telling of events, his family for years briefed against him in the tabloid media. on the side of the pond, i think the audience is definitely growing a little bit weary of that reputation. i think there was a lot of interest in all of the revelations. some of the stories, some these anecdotes would have been a media circus, it would've held a news cycle on their own. people are constantly talking about it. take a quick listen to what a couple of people at the
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bookstore buying this book had to say. >> if you see the american interviews, even the two interviews that i've seen from the americans, a totally different picture of the same person. >> i turn on the tv and these morning time tv shows, these daytime shows without fail, every single day of the week, some kind of panel discussion or public calling about some outrage that prince harry has caused. >> it is absolutely everywhere. he has done an interview with the telegraph newspaper. i just want to read, you hinted at it in your intro. big picture, he says he left a lot of stuff. as you might imagine, of course, he did print everything in his autobiography. he says quote, the first draft was different, it was 800 pages, now it's down to 400. it could've been two books he says. put it that way. the hard bit was taking things out. he goes on, alex, to say
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specifically some of the things he says he left out. he says there are some things that happen, especially between me and my brother, fher that i just don't want the world to know. i don't think they would ever forgive me. he goes on to tell the paper, this is not about trying to collapse the monarchy, this is about trying to save them from themselves. that is the other big point that he continues to tell interviewers whenever they ask. really, this is also about reconciliation. the door on his hand is open. as far as whether there isn't -- the numbers certainly appear to speak for themselves. >> there is a lot more to say. we'll be having you on again, thank you so much. coming up next, the importance of being earnest and forging unlikely friendships. why one thing is killing -- my next guest, a face familiar to you all, we'll explain how it works. you all, we'll explain ho it works it works they just piled it on. roast beef, ham, oven roasted turkey. all on the subway club. three peat - that's great. three meat - that's epic.
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america's most prominent civil rights leaders draws on a deeply personal lessons from his life, his family, and his work to explore racial injustice. former naacp then share stories about people who have shaped his life's mission, from martin luther king junior to robert e. lee, to stacey abrams, to his distant cousin dick cheney. on subjects such as mass incarceration, social isolation, suicide, race, and racism. joining me now is this president and ceo for the people of american way. author of the way never forget our people were always free, a parable of american healing. congratulations on this book my friend. let's get right into this because above all else, this book is about racism. what are some of the biggest lies that we in this nation tell about race and what do you think the average citizen, black, white, any color or creed can do to help and structural racism? >> the big a lie about racism
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is that it is always been this way, it will always be this way. dr. king understood that that wasn't true. before there were slave rebellions, there were colonial rebellions. european indentured servants, rising up together. the moderate notion of racism was created. what we have done to stand to go forward is that we are hurt by this division in our country. the way for all of us to solve this is to come together. >> this book chronicles how much of your work. it has been accomplished by forging these unlikely friendships. tell us about some of them, these experiences. and the importance of looking past our divisions to attain common goals. >> the big one for me that really changed my life. bob mcdonald, former governor of virginia republican, i reached out to him with a
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request from the nda aa c p to accelerate the re-incarceration. to accelerate the re-enfranchisement of formerly incarcerated people. giving back voting rights. kaine flatly said no. then i reached out to his successor, conservative, supported by the tea party, a law and order guy. he said yes, absolutely. we work together for two years trying to pass the law. he could not bring his party over the line so he used his executive powers in the same way that cain had refused to. we had similar victories with nathan -- stacey abrams and i, coming together with the governor of georgia to strike the fourth largest prison system in the country. the n aa c p works with the tea party in texas. we are fighting with them like so many other things to get repairs on justice reform
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bills. they would say right on crime, we agree about 80% of everything, that's what we focused on. in california, governor schwarzenegger was very plain, he said then, i'm a former bodybuilder. half the guys in the gym, they only jobs. we work together to ban the box on job applications, formerly incarcerated peoples job applications. what that taught me was, general power was right. it is far more important in our democracy than knowing what you disagree, finding one thing that you can agree on and pursuing that with all your heart. >> i love what you're saying in this book. it is so profound, so powerful. then, tell me what you want people to take away as they read it, quickly. >> this weekend of all weekends, we need to remember what dr. king was fighting for when he was ascended. he was assassinated trying to unite poor people across the color line in order to make all of their lives better. the reality of this racism in
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our society, numerically, it traps almost twice as many whites in poverty as it does blacks. we have to get back to what dr. king was about at the end of his life. >> amen, ben, thank you so much. again, the book is never forget our people, we were always free, a parable of american healing. congratulations my friend, well done. that is going to do it for this edition of alex witt reports, i will see you again tomorrow a new. our friend lindsey continues our coverage. verage verage it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna. nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium.
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