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breaking news from the white house, more classified documents were found in president biden's delaware home. we will have the very latest. amid a war, the debt ceiling this coming week, a bombshell exclusive report on a gop plan. it could grind the government to a halt and crush the economy. the washington post reporting, that stories with me next. what could be the next criminal domino to fall against donald trump. a case in georgia reaching a crucial stage this week. we also keeping an eye on a dangerous weather in california. new russian tax in ukraine that hit several cities today. new details released for the funeral of lisa marie presley. all of that is coming up. we're going to start with that news today. the white house says they have found more classified materials at president biden's wilmington home. let's bring in nbc's ali roth

as well as msnbc analyst. ali, what are we learning in this new statement from the white house? >> lindsey, a major development in the story. with this new statement, in just the last two hours or so from the white house special counsel, richard somber about the third discovery of those tranches of classified documents found, not only at the penn biden center in washington, d.c., but also here in wilmington at president biden's home. in a new statement, what how special counsel richard says the president's personal lawyer stop searching his wilmington home after finding a single document in that adjacent room that they described. because they don't have security clearance. he says in the statement, because he has to carry clearance as white house counsel, he personally came here to wilmington and to facilitate the transfer of those documents from the presidents home to the justice department. saying in this statement part quote, while i was transferring

it to the doj officials who accompany, five additional pages with classification markings were discovered among the material with it, for a total of six pages. the doj officials with me really took possession of them. now we have that first tranche of documents found on november 2nd at the penn biden center in washington d.c., that second batch found in the garage of president biden's wilmington home on december 20th. that single document found in an adjacent room on wednesday. this past wednesday, january 11th. this statement saying that somber found the five additional pages in addition to this document that evening. all this once again raising the question, why didn't the white house just say all of this up front after repeated questions from the press about this instead of again awaiting days to disclose this information and acknowledge this separate discovery. also, how many documents are their total out there? between the penn biden center and president biden's hope,

what classification levels are these new pages considered after nbc news learned that this week? one of the documents found the penn biden center was marked as the highest level of classification. also, we are still wondering who pack these documents away during the final days when president biden was then vice president. how did some of these documents and up at the penn biden center others obviously here in wilmington. are there more documents we possibly don't know of? this whole controversy really putting a spotlight on the biden administration and its lack of a complete explanation in response to this whole controversy. president biden ignored questions from reporters as he left the white house yesterday. press secretary has repeatedly been asked about this issue, she has referred reporters to the justice department, to the special counsel's office saying that she doesn't want to risk looking like she is interfering. the white house interfering into the special counsel's

investigation. all of this, an unprecedented moment as his predecessor, former president trump or both the subjects of special counsel probes. let's see. >> i'll leave off of, thank you. joyce, we have some important facts in the case we have to reiterate. one being, this was part of that one document that was found in a room adjacent to this law karaj in wilmington. the attorneys that we're going through it didn't have security clearance, so they stopped. this new white house lawyer with security clearance, classified clearance found these other documents and handed them over to the doj. obviously, special counsel robert is going to look into all of this. does this additional discovery change the current legal implications or part of the matter? >> whatever it does politically, legally it doesn't look particularly significant. this is more a matter of the page count of the document that was previously disclosed then a matter of additional documents per se being found.

interesting context here, lindsey, we are very hungry for details in this situation. we know a lot of details about former president trump's situation. but that is because he chose to disclose the search warrant when it was executed. you will remember the fbi have bent over backwards to keep that search warrant a secret, go on so far as to address fbi agents like mar-a-lago guests. it was trump himself who talked about it. and then he filed a lawsuit that led to the public disclosure of things like the number of documents and some sense of what was in them. i'm sympathetic here to the white house's suggestion that the special counsel should be permitted to do his work and disclosures could should come from that office. ultimately though, there is public appetite to hear a more concise narrative about what is going on. >> let's go into that little bit further. i want to read from your substack quote, classified documents were found in spaces under the control of both donald trump and joe biden. that is where the similarities

here and. cases that are similar should be treated the same. these two are not. loud, angry voices should be permitted to turn the situation in something that it isn't. although, they will undoubtedly try to. joyce, expand on this for us. what are some of the more key differences that you are noticing? >> again, this is purely a matter of technical legalities. technically galaxies are what matter to prosecutors. when you are thinking about whether a criminal investigation should even be opened in a situation like that, like this, you have to consider whether there is sufficient reason to believe that a crime might have been committed. it is a very low standard to open an investigation. it hinges on whether there is any suggestion that joe biden or perhaps someone working for him, had the necessary intent, the willful-ness to mishandle classified documents that would trigger an investigation under the espionage act or related statutes. hearing that doesn't seem to be

the case. we are talking about the president of the united states so now special counsel will make that determination. i think it is unlikely, frankly, that a criminal investigation would have been open into anyone else in the same situation. because there is such a lack of evidence of woefulness. it was the biden team who voluntarily disclosed that they had found documents, no one at the national archives appears to have been searching for. they turn them over, candidly answered questions. there has been reporting that biden staff members have already spoken with the doj investigators. you will recall that in the trump situation, not only did they have to subpoena witnesses, many didn't comply. the doj was ultimately forced to resort to subpoena information. in that case, members of the trump team actually made false statements about turning over all documents. ultimately, leading to the search warrant and the ongoing criminal investigation. >> there are people who are looking at this through a

political lens. there is somewhat of an intersection here. does all of this, did these developments make charging trump over documents less likely? >> i think it is inevitable that at least the public will look through the political lens. trump certainly has had more than his fair share of luck when it comes to avoiding the reach of the criminal justice system. as far as the special counsel go, their consideration should be based solely on the facts and the evidence. look, it is fair to say here that joe biden should be scrutinized just like donald trump should. prosecutors should decide whether there is sufficient evidence to charge. if there is, they should charge. if there isn't, they shouldn't. >> our joyce, stick around, you're gonna be joining us later on in the show. also coming up in our next hour, we have a special guest, january 6th committee member's alaskan will join us. we are going to get her reaction to the gop lighthouses push to investigate her panels work.

now that grave warning from janet calling for extraordinary measures to avoid catastrophe. with the u.s. set to hit a get limit in less than a week. looks like house republicans are spoiling for a fight over the debt ceiling. today, the washington post exclusively importing house republicans are preparing and emergency plan if that limit is not lifted. jeff stein is one of the reporters who probe that story. jeff, go ahead and take us through this deal and what would happen if implemented. >> so, house republicans are looking at releasing a plan, they're working on this plan that would basically try to get out of the blame for catastrophic impacts of a default. what they're saying is, even if we come against the debt ceiling, the borrowing limit, the limit on what the u.s. government can borrow in additional funds, because money is still coming in from taxes and fees and other revenue, that money can still be reallocated to pay off the interest payments on the debt and some other critical services. maybe maybe medic, or something

like that. what they are hoping in their attempt to get out of responsibility and blame for potentially triggering this enormous crisis in treasury markets and financial markets is this plan, it will have to exclude huge numbers of critical services to the american people. as that reported in the story, they're looking at a plan that would just exempt social security, medicare, veterans benefits, and the military from a sensational payments. that leaves an incredible number of vital services from food safety inspections to faa, to air traffic controllers. millions of americans rely on these every day. this is a pickle they've put themselves in. it really could up the brinkmanship over what is a very scary moment. >> what does that mean? if some of these areas aren't funded, border security, traffic a troll? >> we have seen in a government shutdown, obviously that happened periodically.

there are real implications. government workers get sent home. this is really much bigger. more importantly i think, the treasury department has been very adamant, all the experts i've spoken to, have been very adamant that they don't have the technical capacity to implement, what republicans are current calling a prioritization of payments plan. every day, the federal government processes millions of payments from people all over the world frankly. they are saying that they don't have the technical capacity to rebound funding in the way that republicans are hoping. as a result, there's a very high likelihood that they will miss interest payments. more importantly, that the fundamental bedrock of the entire global financial system will come under doubt. that could, we looked at studies before that suggest for, five, $6 million could be walked out. several million or a trillion dollars worth of gop could be at stake here. the republicans are really

itching for a fight here. i will just say as a reporter who has covered a number of debt ceiling fights, this seems like the most gain just one. i don't see a way out. democrats are obviously going to say, you guys barely squeaked by the majority in the house. we kept the senate, biden was elected by a significant margin. we are not going to agree to huge spending cuts that encourage seniors and hurt climate change legislation or allow tax cheats to get away with fraud. we are not going to do that because you are taking the entire american economy hostage. at the same time, the republicans are so gigantic at this point, among themselves, i have a really hard time seeing how we get out of this. >> jeff stein, we will watch. thank you so much. i'm sure we will be talking more over the next coming days. breaking news up and down the west coast. millions of residents are bracing for another round of flooding and possible landslides. los angeles mayor declaring a

state of emergency a short time ago. let's go ahead and bring in scott who's in moderate county just south of the bay area. scott, what is the latest where you are. talk to me about some of the damage that area has already seen? i can see some water behind you. >> yeah, there's a lot of water, lindsay. as you can see, the rain has let up for now. we should get a little bit more coming in here over the next couple of days. the damage is done, behind me is the salinas river, normally the riverbank, back for those trees are. there is a bridge over that river that is now underwater, we can show you this river basically bisects monterrey county. there was some concern for time that a portion of a moderate county, the coastal portion, cities like monterrey and this would be cut off. that seems to be alleviated somewhat. but officials here say that the crisis is not over yet. >> it is important for residents to heed the warnings

that local officials give. we don't know, it could happen any motors notice that people would have to leave their homes in case of an unforeseen rise in water or unforeseen event as a result of the river. also, if the road says closed, don't drive on that road. we don't want loss of life like there has been in other parts of the state. >> statewide, 19 people at least have died in the severe weather that stretches back to before new year's. right now, some 12,000 people under evacuation orders. tens of thousands of more people without power. considerable damage, we don't know the extent yet though, lindsey until the water recedes. >> scott, what is the latest here in the search for kyle, that five your boy who is actually so swept away by floodwaters near san miguel? >> he still listed as missing. that was along the salinas river about 80 miles or so upstream.

that is to the south and east of us. they are still searching for him. some 100 national guard troops are in that search. so far, all they have recovered is it an issue. >> scott cohn, thank you. new if nation in those deadly tornadoes that ripped through the southeast saturday night into friday morning. authorities now say 90 paul died as a result of the storms. one of the victims was a five-year-old boy in georgia who died after a tree fell on a car he was inside of. right now, more than 10,000 customers still without power across parts of georgia. as damage assessments and cleanup get underway, for pastures now say snow is possible this weekend across counties in north georgia were damage was left in the wake of those severe storms. still ahead, prosecuting women for taking abortion pills. the alabama attorney general walking back comments on that while other states push for it. plus, georgia's election interference probe moves into a new phase. will we see former president

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republicans have been continuing with chaos in dysfunction. what we democrats want to focus on our delivering for the people that we've been elected to serve. we need to make sure that we continue to raise the debt searing to the tune of 31 trillion dollars so we can continue to pay bills. this is not new money, these are deaths that we have already incurred that we owe for. this will keep the government from going into default. as the washington post pointed out, also prevents us from costing thousands, i'm sorry, millions of jobs. >> so, let's talk here if republicans are dug in, we know that the ultraconservatives kind of have a newfound sway here in the new congress. how is it that you work with your members across the aisle to make sure that what you just said, increasing the debt limit, actually happens? >> we have to try to find ways to find common ground. that has always been my focus,

that is what i continue to do. i'm not here for political theater, which has been the order of the day, at least from the republican side of the aisle. starting out with a 15-day vote, a 15 vote over the course of four days. this has really been a chaotic and dysfunctional and a very divided congress as it relates to my partners on the other side of the aisle. we want to get back to the business of delivering for the people. in the 117 congress, the democrats did historic, record breaking, once in a lifetime, once in a generation investments to deal with packet issues, kitchen table issues. things that people sent us -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt, as it relates to increasing the debt ceiling, do you feel like you can come to a compromise? >> it is my hope, we do know that there are some moderate republicans on the other side of the aisle that we do intend to utilize to hopefully pick up some of those votes, we can

continue doing the business of the people. >> let's talk about that irs funding that republicans are trying to reverse here. it was meant to hire more employees, modernize the agency's computer system. taking away that money will actually increase the deficit by more than 100 billion dollars. so, given the fact, given the fact that there is a chance in passing in the senate, what do you make of that being such a high priority for gop? >> well, it is going back to the priorities of protecting the wealthy and the well connected. as you pointed out, we want to help the hardworking americans to be able to get the resources that they need. my office and the 11th congressional district was able to help refund over a quarter of a billion dollars last year. already, nearly half 1 million dollars this year. we want to be able to help the people in the 11th congressional district across the country get the resources that they need so that they are not on hold for hours at a time, unable to get access to what i believe are the hardworking, underpaid, under staffed irs

agents. whether republicans are doing is protecting the core special interest. this is their priority. it is clear that they don't want to legislate, all they want to do is investigate and continue to protect the wealthy and the well connected. >> i want to talk to you about something that is sort of lit up so, to speak. the ash issue of gaston's. we saw republicans jumping over this issue. it was a hidden hazard. we saw people using this as a political football. two congressman actually in introduce a bill prohibiting bans on castillo's. you've spoken about legitimate health concerns that you have, talk to us about them. >> the 11th congressional district, which is one of the biggest -- we have communities that are disproportionately impacted by health disparities. as much as one of them. we can trace scientifically

that nearly 13% of children related asthma is directly connected to gaston's. this is an issue that is of great importance to me. we're not going to the extreme of abandoned gas stoves. but what we want to do is educate, what we also want to do is make sure that we are informing people so they can make the adjustments and the modifications. making sure that their windows are open, their homes are properly ventilated. bringing this to their attention so we can deal with the disparity that has come as a result of gas stoves in marginalized communities. >> you're not calling for a ban, congresswoman. >> i'm not calling for ben. i'm a proud user of the gas stove, but i would not go that far. i think that is the very very last resort. one that i think we need to get to if we implement the steps of again informing people going on education. also, implementing some of the warning labels as it relates to gas knows when people are

purchasing them so they know what some of the dangers are as it relates to gas stoves. as a proud gassed of user, that would not be one of the things that i would want to put on people. >> we want to know that one member can call for a motion to vacate and force a move, force a vote on removing mccarthy as speaker. there were reports that democrats could use that power to also reach havoc in the chamber. hakeem jeffries largely shut down that idea, but do you foresee that, would you be in favor of democrats using that? >> wreaking havoc is not with the people of the 11th congressional district sent me to washington to do. i am not focused on the speaker of the house. i am focused on continuing to deliver results for the people of the 11 congressional district and make sure that we are implementing that amazing legislation that we were able to pass in the 117th congress. it is my hope that we can find some common grounds with the folks on the other side of the aisle so that they will be

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you mentioned keith, a lot of those airstrikes were focused on the capitol. the real tragedy we saw today was in the central city of dnipro. that is where a russian missile slammed into a multi story residential building, killing five according to the ukrainians and wounding nearly 60, according about a dozen. our understanding is still people trapped in that wreckage. officials are racing to try to pull them out, trying to get them alive. this is an ongoing tragedy. one that we've seen unfolding across the country. you mentioned kyiv, how those residents were woken up, that is unusual to hear the sounds of missiles slamming into the city before you hear the arid sarin. for months now, normally you hear the air raid siren first. we heard from the ukrainian air force, they said that might be because the russians have been using a ballistic missiles. they are harder to detect and harder to intercept. that is why they made impact before there was the aerate

siren. in that second volley in the afternoon, you heard from the ukrainians. this is the nationwide statistic, he said of the 38 projectiles that were launched by russia, 25 of them were intercepted. that is about on par with the rate of interception that we have been seeing for the past several months. ever since this style of long range attacks, striking far beyond the front line began during the fall. you know, we heard some very important news today. that was, the uk prime minister rishi sunak became the first western leader to promise battle tanks for ukraine. now, a lot of it looks like -- it looks like the west has been given fighting vehicles. the united states have been giving bradley fighting vehicles from germany. these are not really tanks, they look like tanks, sometimes they act like tanks. but they are actually more like highly armored, highly weaponized personnel carriers. the ukrainians have been

begging for tanks ever since this war began. but for washington, providing tanks has always been a bridge too far. they believe that tanks or other heavy weaponry, even though they have given missiles and other long-range systems, they believe that can be an escalation on the battlefield that could provoke russia to do even more damage to this country, or even further afield in europe or towards the u.s.. now, we are starting to see with britain, that attitude kind of slipping away. it seems like it won't be long until we see germany follow suit with their lap or two tanks, which are highly desirable for the trains. or even washed in providing m1 abrams. it's not clear that ukraine actually wants washington's abrams tanks. they take a lot more to maintain, they run on kerosene which is harder to get here in ukraine. >> now bradley, thank you for joining us with these updates. breaking news, the united kingdom taking action against iran after that country executed this man, a dual

british iranian national. he was once a high-ranking official in iran's defense ministry. state officials have accused him without evidence of serving as a source for british intelligence. the uk has sanctioned the iranian prosecutor general and temporarily recalled its ambassador as a contemplates further action. brazil's top court has announced that the former president will be included in their investigation into the january 8th riot at the country's capital last weekend. prosecutors argue that the since deleted facebook video, questioning the legitimacy of the election, with sufficient evidence to probe whether he incited the attack. bolsonaro has repeatedly cast out on the presidential election he lost in october. he is currently taking up residence in an orlando suburb of florida since leaving brazil in december. new developments in the defamation lawsuit against donald trump, filed by journalist eugene carroll. she accused the former

president of raping her in the 90s. just yesterday, a judge and sealing a deposition for trump back in october, in which he repeatedly insulted carroll and even makes a claim that she said it was quote very sexy to be raped. taking and view she did in 2019 out of context. trump continues to deny having ever had sexual contact with carole. this week, a state judge in georgia dissolved the special grand jury in fulton county after it completed its investigation into former president trump and his allies. their alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election results. writing for msnbc daily, msnbc legal analyst joyce vance said, this is the first in a series of dominoes that need to fall in order for former president donald trump to see the inside of a georgia courtroom. joyce vance is back with us. first, walk us through the difference between this special grand jury and a regular criminal grand jury? >> this process in georgia is a little bit different than what

federal court watchers are used to. in georgia, the district attorney has access to her regular criminal grand jury that she uses to bring indictments. for cases of any complexity, she has to ask a judge to convene what is called a special investigative grand jury. that is the type of grand jury that fulton county district attorney fani willis worked with for eight months to investigate the details of the situation that started when trump made his now infamous phone call to the georgia secretary of state, asking him to find the votes that he needed to win the election. the results of that investigation are now in the form of a written report that the court is considering. willis is free, if she chooses, to return to regular grand jury to seek indictments. >> let's talk about that because this gradually, it can investigate, it can't indict, that would be up to the regular state criminally grand jury. what do you think is likely happening right now in this next phase? >> that is the big question

mark here. the court in georgia has scheduled a hearing on january 24th to decide whether or not the investigative grand jury and its report should become public, but willis already has access to that information, her office was intimately involved in the grand jury's work. up to them is the consideration of whether any of the evidence that they have compiled violates georgia law. it is always tough to know what prosecutors inside of an investigation have. here we have all heard the former president's phone call, one interesting issue here is that when you read georgia law, there is a variety of charges related to election interference. some are misdemeanors, others are felonies. willis will have a wide range of choices available to her including some conversation about georgia's rico statute which she could use if she believe she has evidence that there was organized criminal activity involved in the election. >> we've got that january 24th

hearing joyce, what else, if anything, can we expect here in terms of a timeline of when we might hear whether in fact an indictment will come down? >> again, more questions than answers. but willis has access to her regular grand jury, it actually meets on tuesday january 24th. it is possible that she could begin presenting evidence to that grand jury to seek indictments. lindsey, we have talked a lot about how prosecutors often, before they go straight to the highest level target in a criminal investigation, they will work up the chain, trying to prosecute lower level players and convince them to cooperate and testify against a higher level target. we don't know if with us intends to go all in one fill swoop here, or if she might not follow that more traditional path. >> joyce vance, thank you so much. coming up, investigating the investigators. the gop led houses push to

probe the january six committee. one of his members, representative so often, joins me in the next hour. but first, what we're learning about the death of lisa marie presley who passed this week at just 54 years old. who passed this week a just 54 years old. (cecily) what's up, einstein? (einstein) my network has gone kaput! (cecily) you tried to save a buck on it? (einstein) not so smart. (cecily) well, there is a smarter way to save. (einstein) oh?! (cecily) switch to verizon! (vo) that's right. for a limited time get verizon unlimited for just $25 a line, guaranteed for 3 years. (einstein) brilliant! (vo) only on verizon. in three seconds, this couple will share a perfect moment. is that? oh wow! but we got to sell our houses! well, almost perfect. don't worry. sell with confidence to opendoor. yes! -done. request a cash offer at opendoor.com >> stump former robbie can evil,

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motorcycle jumps. robbie's brother said he died after a battle with pancreatic cancel. one of abe's most favorite stones came back in 1999 when he jumped the grand canyon after a 220 foot chasm. and idea his father first thought of but never attempted. in a career that spent 30 years, he landed more than 250 motorcycle jumps. robbie campbell was 60. the music world is mourning the loss of singer songwriter lisa marie presley. we are looking more about the final plants being put in place for the 54-year-old who died on thursday. kathy reports. >> this morning, graceland becoming a gathering place for fans paying their respects to lisa marie presley. >> if you are an elvis fan, you are lisa marie then. i wish lots of purse for her family. >> the only child of elvis presley died on thursday after going into cardiac arrest at a southern california home before being rushed to the hospital. her mother priscilla running in

part, she was the most passionate, strong, and loving woman i've ever known. the success of the movie elvis recently put the music legend and his family back in the spotlight. austin butler, who played the king, thank lisa and priscilla when he took home a golden globe for best actor. >> thank you for opening your hearts, your memories, your home to me. lisa marie, priscilla, i love you forever. >> that speech, now carrying even more weight with lisa marie's passing just two days later. butler released a statement to nbc news on friday saying quote, my heart is completely shattered. i am eternally grateful for the time i was lucky enough to be heard bright light. her death at the age of 54 is the latest chapter in a series of tragedies for the presley family. lisa marie was just nine when she lost her dad. he was 42 years old. her son benjamin died by suicide in 2020. a devastating loss she shared in an essay writing, nothing,

absolutely nothing takes away the pain, but finding support can sometimes help you feel a little bit less alone. through the years, lisa marie's life played out publicly. the mother of four was married four times. perhaps most famously to michael jackson. and after nicolas cage. she told the hollywood reporter, lisa had the greatest laugh of anyone i ever met. she level up every room and i am heartbroken. lisa marie followed in her famous father's footsteps with her own music career, releasing three albums. her rock royalty roots stemmed from memphis where she was born. she was back just days ago when graceland celebrating what would've been elvis's 88th birthday. >> i love you back, that's why i'm here. >> now, this will also be her final resting place. next to her beloved son, ben. >> our thanks, up next, after staying away from the topic of abortion restrictions during the midterms, why are

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attorney general walked that comments he made this week suggesting that women in his state who take an abortion pill to end their pregnancy could face criminal charges. on tuesday, he cited a separate 2006 state law that has been used to punish women for drug consumption during pregnancy. he now says only providers who prescribe the pill can be prosecuted. jordy bee's washington post national reporter who focuses on the politics of abortion. caroline, what can you tell us about the initial statements that they made and how steve marshall responded after those caught fire. >> the significance of the statement is that for years and years the party line of the antiabortion movement, the main

anti-abortion movement has been, we do not want to prosecute pregnant women for having abortions. now, this was the most prominent republican yet that we have seen say something to the contrary. actually, women could potentially be prosecuted under a different law. that was really big news. i think the fact that he walked back so quickly really shows, the mainstream movement was not happy with those statements. that was something that he was not supposed to say. >> marshall may be walking this back, but we are seeing some movement in other states. oklahoma state senator warren hamilton just introduced a bill that would allow people who get abortions to be prosecuted. and candace's attorney general it's asking the states highest court to actually reconsider a decision protecting access to abortion. months after a decisive statewide about affirming those rights. what have you learned about states moving ahead with proposals like these? >> i think it is really hard to

say what is going to happen in these legislative sessions. i think one thing that is clear is that antiabortion republicans are frustrated that people are still managing to get abortions in states where abortion is legal since roe was overturned. what we have seen are the proliferation of abortion pills being sent into the states for a variety of methods. that is really hard to stop. it is really difficult to intercept things in the mail. it is just hard to imagine how you even do that. i think a lot of republicans are just feeling frustrated, unsure about how to move forward. i think that is a big part of why you're seeing these kinds of really hard-line measures like what we are seeing in oklahoma come to the four. >> the house passed two antiabortion bills this week. let's go ahead and listen to what republican congresswoman nancy said about that. >> i believe that it's

tone-deaf at this point, it is never going to pass the senate. it's never going to get to the presidents desk to be signed into law. we're only paying lip service. >> that's at caroline, we know that republicans steered away from this issue during the midterms. it was galvanizing actually for democrats, the idea of protecting abortion rights. why is the gop when your majority prioritizing these restrictions now? >> i think there is a lot of pressure from the antiabortion movement for them to do something. i think what is significant about the two bills that they vote on is that even if they were to pass this, which it doesn't seem like they would, it would actually move the needle that much. we are not actually talking about any kind of national than, which was something that was quoted in the fall. i think it shows that republicans really are not sure how to move forward on this issue, certainly they saw what happened in november. many of them are very nervous about that, nervous to go and

do anything remotely significant to further crackdown on this issue because they are very weary of a public backlash. >> political rights, the antiabortion advocates are organizing pickets outside of cbs and walgreens in early february. including washington d.c.. in response to the company's plans to stop these dispense mint of abortion pills. this is following a decision last week allowing that. what more are you hearing about these types of demonstrations? >> i think what is important to know about the fda's decision is that it does not affect any state where abortion is banned since roe is overturned. these kinds of demonstrations are going to be taking place in the blue states. that is a real frustration for the anti abortion ban. they are incredibly frustrated that the fda has taken these kinds of measures. in california and new york, it's going to be even easier to

get abortion pills. they know that if it is easier to get them in new york in california, then they are going to be more easily sent to the red states where abortion is now banned. >> caroline kitchener, thank you for joining us, appreciate it. before we end this hour. i know to you all, rock for cell -- times are in the now, just about seven hours now, the lights will go dark. on america's most famous tree. of course, the major test of taking down all of those some 50,000 lights. that big crystal star on top, then all begins. the number from the 14 country rather will be donated to habitat for humanity. i'm sure it's a lot taller than 14. ahead of the hour, breaking news on additional classified documents found in president biden's delaware home. what we're learning about the search live from this place. le ivfrom this place. le ivfrom this place. am 42. as mother of nine kids, i think i waited this long to get botox® cosmetic because i take like no time for myself.

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