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located at the president's private residence and delaware on thursday. one, day after a one page was found at the home, and in addition to those found at the pen, biden center in washington, the president special counsel responding today in a statement leading in part quote the president's lawyers have acted immediately and voluntarily to provide the penn biden documents to the archives and the wilmington documents to doj. we have now publicly released the specific details about the documents identified how they were identified and where they were found and of quote. trump appointed former u.s. attorney, robert her has been tapped by attorney general merrick garland to investigate the matter. meanwhile, republicans are rushing to compare the current presidents predicament with the

justice department's investigation of former president donald trump over the classified documents retrieved from his florida estate in august. the difference of course being that the president and his team have voluntarily handed over their documents and are cooperating with the department of justice. whereas in trump's case, it took multiple archive requests and federal agents showing up at his door to retrieve his full cachet of classified documents. a point that republicans have been doing their best to obscure this week. joining me now, congressman benny thompson. democrat of mississippi and ranking member of the house homeland security, committee. congressman thompson, we appreciate you joining us here tonight. and we have to start with the breaking news today that five additional documents bearing

classified markings was to true from the presidents wilmington delaware home this week. apparently one day after one page, just one page was located at the same residents and roughly, after roughly ten documents were found in the penn biden center in washington. the president special counsel outlined today that retrievable process in a statement explaining that the second set was found as see a company justice department officials to a the first document. he goes on to say that the white house is cooperating with the special counsel tap, by the justice department to investigate the matter. still, house republicans are vowing investigations, but the house judiciary committee now chaired by gop congressman, jim jordan calling on the justice department to turn over all materials related to the investigation. what is your response to this

developing story? >> well, first off thank you for having me reverend. if you look at what is going on on the biden situation, it is really about intent. if you look at the trump situation, it was him trying to hide information and the material from the fbi. the intent and the biden situation is the moment that they found the product, they let the authorities know. elected archives know on a second time that he invoked the justice department in. in terms of the trump situation, you know it's like about a year for them to continue to deny and ultimately the fbi had to go to the courts to get a search warrant to go to mar-a-lago. and then that is how they found

the classified documents at mar-a-lago. the fbi did not have to go to the biden residence or the pen senator to see what he asked to got, it was voluntarily showed. you saw the boxes and boxes of material carried out in mar-a-lago compared to a few pages that we are talking about in the biden situation. >> yes i think those 15 boxes and i think the point of intent you, not what i have not heard a republican say is why did donald trump fight to give the documents over through that whole long period of time as opposed to someone who voluntarily doing it? i still don't understand the rationale that he had, him being trump on one or two fight turning over the documents when they discovered he had them. dlet me move, on to capitol hi, this new congress and the appointment of a new committee chairman and the chairs under

the republican majority among those new chairs is tennessee republican mark greene who was considered for secretary of the army during donald trump's presidential transition. not as until his views were vetted and found to be too problematic even for some senate republicans to get behind. green all timidly withdrew from >> consideration but he went on to join several house republicans and asking the supreme court to overturn the 2020 election results. and in voting against certification of joe biden's presidential victory, he is now chair of the house homeland security committee of which you are ranking member. your thoughts on that congressman? and the rest of speaker kevin mccarthy's committee appointments this week? >> thank you reverend, obviously the jim jordans and others of the world as well as

chairman greene, they are problematic. they come with a perceived notion that somehow, the democrats and thinking people are wrong. and so if the republican senators saw marc greene as a problem, then obviously there is something there. i will do my best to try and work with it. i am concerned, i have had one meeting with them already. we have talked in generalities of trying to be civil, as you know up until this point, the homeland security committee had a process and a reputation of being one of the more bipartisan committees. we deferred but you can be civil in your differing's. so i will work with them as best as i can, but you know the goal of this committee is to protect american citizens from foreign and domestic terrorists. what happened on january 6th

was not a congressional tour. i hope chairman greene understands that one bad people are doing things to americans, we have to address it. there are more issues in this country other than just what is happening on the southern border. we have to look at all of the terrorist activities going on in schools, in churches, in synagogues, theaters, shopping centers. all of those are acts of domestic terrorism so we have to look at that and i hope that the incoming chairman will be broad enough to give it a full view. >> now you share the house probe until the january 6th attack on the u.s. capital. so it makes sense that now, brazilian authorities might want to speak with you as we investigate the violent protests that rage in brazil's

capital last week. supporters of former brazilian president boston arrow storm several government buildings, calling for the country's october election results to be overturned through military interventions. i wonder what can you tell us about those conversations? and about watching another attempt to undermine and nations democracy? two days after the second anniversary of january six. >> well clearly they've already communicated with us and we will be setting a more formal structure together to have that conversation. what you saw in brazil was clearly january 62 point oh from a brazilian perspective. you heard people saying the election was stolen. you heard people saying we will have to stop the peaceful transfer of power. all of those things were

orchestrated by president who had lost the election. we're not even in the country but obviously, he is promoting ally and he is getting his people riled up to the point that they did exactly in brazil what happened in the nation's capital. so there are parallels and clearly, i look forward to having the conversation with the brazilian authorities. >> i have to make sure we talk civil rights act, specially this weekend. i saw that you joined chicago laurie lightfoot had yesterday as she marked the life of reverend dr. martin luther king jr.. and of course, we are all gearing up for president biden speech sunday tomorrow in atlanta at ebenezer baptist church were dr. king preached. and the president of the united states of course will join me at the very next day to keynote the national action towards the annual commemorative breakfasts in doctor king's honor.

as we prepare to celebrate our modern founding father congressman, what would you say is the top civil rights issue that house democrats must tackle in this new congress? >> well obviously, voting rights is still front and center. if dr. king we're here today, he could not fathom how in this day in time, that courts are still the main culprit in preventing access to the ballot. the courts are stained the main culprit and not getting election certified. so we have that problem and as you, know we have a tremendous problem with police brutality. we just had a young man tased to death in los angeles. a couple of days ago so the police and accountability is still a real problem in this

country. we will have to address it and the fact that education, education is still a real challenge in this country. it is still in many instances separate and unequal. we will have to address it and then just this whole issue of firearms. there are too many guns in america them and at the last point, i believe that there are just too many people who are locked up in our presence. we will have to address that, the most civilized society than in the world had more people locked up behind bars then aran and other countries. so we have to do better and we can't just lock people up and throw the key away. so that is in this day in time, silver rights issue to. >> and we must fight those

civil issues and this weekend, talking with you and mindful of you not only don yours throughout your life, and train others that had been the acp so bear johnson was one of the protegees obviously. congressman benny thompson, thank you for being with us. joining me now is congresswoman robert kelly, democrat from illinois. congresswoman, i need to start with the news from today. the biden administration is acknowledging that additional documents will classified markings were found at the presidents wilmington home. here is what richard saw albert of special counsel the president said in a statement today, quote i want to wilmington thursday evening to facilitate providing the document that the presidents personal counsel found on wednesday to the justice department. while i was transferring it to the doj, officials who accompanied me, accompanied me five additional pages with

classified markings or discovered among the material with it for a total of six pages. the doj officials with me immediately took possession of them and of quote. what do you make of the story and house republicans plans to investigate? >> well i agree with my colleague, that you just had on the show. i think the president and the transparent, and cooperating the process, they are voluntarily cooperating and i think the republicans are just looking for anything to be able to investigate president biden because of what happened with their or the former president and president trump on all the investigations. the impeachment, january 6th. i look at this, and the revenge of the payback. >> president secretary won congress yesterday. that the u.s. will reach its debt limit on thursday without

congress intervening here. here is what she wrote to congressional leaders. i am writing, i am reading her quote here. i am writing to inform you that beginning on thursday, january 19th, 2023, the outstanding debt of the united states is projected to reach the statutory limit. once the limit is reached, treasury will need to start taking certain extraordinary measures to prevent the united states from the defaulting on its obligations and of quote. explain what would happen to americans who rely on entitlement programs like social security and medicare if congress does not act? >> while millions of americans will be affected, especially seniors. republicans have said everything is on the table but this would be very, very irresponsible for them to do this and actually, medicare and social security are very

popular whether you're democrats or republicans. so i don't think this will look very good on their part or the american citizens would appreciate if this is how they dealt with the problem. so we need to deal with it and responsible, way need to raise the debt limit. these are obligations as you just read. this is money we have already spent that we need to pay. >> congresswoman, illinois, your home state, and acted and assault weapons ban this week. it bans the sale, manufacture, delivery and purchase of assault weapons in the state. should it be up to states to enact new gun laws with the on likelihood of congress during anything? especially with republicans in charge of the house? >> well first of all, let me say i am so proud of the state of illinois for taking this action and it was led by representative bob morgan who is at the highland park parade

when that tragedy occurred. the states will have to do it because it is so difficult for us to do it, one of my colleagues david cicilline has had the assault weapons ban but we cannot get it passed. so we are leaning on states to do the right thing because we cannot do it, again because we cannot get republicans to cooperate. >> now at the same, time the supreme court left new york strict gun laws in place. at least for now. the law requires people seeking gun licenses to show they have good moral character and bans guns and many public locations. the court chose not to intervene immediately but there are still challenges to the law working their way through lower courts. how confident are you that the high court wanted to be in the future? >> it is very hard to say with some of the decisions that they

have made. i believe this was a step in the right direction but you know i cannot read their minds. when i think about some of the other things that they have done, it is hard to say what they will. do i hope they continue in this direction. lastly, let me ask you this. the congressional black caucus just wore on its largest group in its history and the caucus includes new york democratic leader hakeem jeffries, who i have known over 20 years. how does the cbc plan on using its influence in this republican-controlled house? >> well first of all, let me say i am so proud of my classmate and my friend. we are just so proud of latent jeffries, he is still a member of the congressional black off freeze. and in fact he was at the meeting, we meet every wednesday at noon and the leader was there. we still plan on pushing voting rights, gun violence prevention and justice as chair or ranking

member now. benny thompson said and then also, i am so the chair of the congressional black caucus. held dangerous and we are still fighting health care disparities. and then we want to look at entrepreneurship and wealth building. and later jeffries will be the leader that he is always been. he has the title now but he has been a shining star and will continue to be hopefully in two years we will be saying, speaker jeffries. >> yes, i'm not surprised he was at the congressional black caucus meeting despite his elevation, he has been a member of the network for over 20 years. he was at the house saturday rally just two saturdays ago and at saturday afternoon, that came they celebrated after we knew the president in washington post. he called me and said i will see you hang day in the afternoon reverend, good luck on your washington breakfast. that is who hakeem is. congresswoman robin kelly, thank you for being with us. still ahead, republicans want

you to believe that presidents biden's recovery and documents are the same as president trump. don't believe the hype, i will explain why in this week's gotcha. and later, we all know new york congressman george santos back story. it doesn't add up. why political panel cole joins me to talk about what republicans should be do the about it. but first my colleague lindsey reiser with today's top news stories. lindsey? >> thanks, raft stories we are watching this hour californians are being urged to stay vigilant. as forecasters warn of two powerful new storms approaching the west coast. in many areas, the ground is so saturated from a series of bomb cyclone systems. bringing heavy rains and went over the past week. that could lead to more flooding and landslides in the next few days. russia launched a massive missile attack across ukraine today, nine people are dead at least 64 others injured. after missiles struck a high

rise building and dnipro. about 38 missiles were launched in total including 28 cruise missiles and ten guided air service missiles according to ukrainian officials. and the winning mega millions ticket was sold in maine. the whopping one point 35 billion dollar jackpot is the second largest prize in the game's history. the store that sold the winning ticket will get a 50,000 dollar bonus. more politics nation with reverend al sharpton after the break. the break. i tried always discreet underwear. it absorbs an entire glass of water. it fit like a glove. it just felt like real underwear. game changer! it's the protection we deserve.

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speakership fight, house republicans couldn't spend this week focused on healing, divisions and laying out policy ideas but they didn't. and said on friday, the new chair of the judiciary committee jim jordan launched an investigation into president biden's handling of classified documents. you are going to hear a lot

about the story in the coming months. so let me break down what we know and how president biden's document situation differs from the controversy that led to the fbi raid on former president trump's mar-a-lago home back in august. on monday, we learned that about a dozen classified documents have been discovered out a deceit think tank connected to biden. the presidents lawyers found the papers, handed them over voluntarily and even went so far as to search the presidents residence. uncovering a handful of additional documents that they have also been handed over to the proper authorities. president trump meanwhile took as many as 15 boxes of documents containing as many as 184 classified files when he left office and spent over a year going back and forth with government about the full

return. until eventually, the fbi had to step in to retrieve them all. despite the differences, attorney general merrick garland has treated both presidents equally up on a special counsels to handle each documents case. and while president biden has been cooperative with his investigations, former president trump has chosen to fight his probe in court and on social media. which brings us back to the house republicans. we know their enthusiasm about these cases has more to do with politics the national security because they were promising to spend the term investigating biden before and a classified documents were even discovered. now, house republicans are determined to create a false equivalency between that biden and trump cases. even in doing so is an insult to the men and women in government who work hard every day and in some cases risked

their lives to keep our country secrets safe and secure. investigating democratic presidents is pretty much the house gop's whole playbook from president. clintons impeachment to the analysts benghazi hearings, during president obama's second term. but if republicans disappointing showing in the midterms is any indications, americans have gotten wise to their schemes and they are getting tired of. it i gotcha. it i gotcha.

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development today that president biden's lawyers said more documents with classified markings were found at his delaware home this week. right now, the justice department is reviewing a total of three batches of classified documents at house republicans announced their own investigation friday. so, juanita, what is your take on the president's handling of the situation and the republicans attempts to draw parallels between these documents and those that were seized from former president trump's home this summer? >> well, i'm sure republicans are just giddy with this news. the reality is, there's no similarity between the two cases here between biden and trump. what we see with president biden, and it has been really good, they're following the rule to the latter. they are contacting the doj and the archives proactively. they are engaging them in this conversation, and as soon as they found the documents, they jump to action. and that's what i found mostly, chairman thompson told you earlier, it's about intent. there was no obstruction.

there was no court order subpoena. there was no court ordered fbi raid here. what they had is that white house being responsive. now, i do think the white house can do a little bit more, which seems to be modeled a little bit by the president's personal attorney's, versus the white house cancel, is try to communicate more proactively, make sure people know as much as you can possibly share, as soon as you can sense sharing. >> susan, what's your take on the seriousness of these documents story, and how the president and his department of justice is handling so far? >> well, i think the president is doing the right thing. there is no question. but let's not forget, it's wrong for the documents where there. it may have been an oversight, there may be no intent. but they need to be addressed. and also, to go to juanita's point, the white house knew about the dates when these documents were found, and they really messed up, you know, news outlet got the story out. they did not release it. so, for transparency, i give them a solid d, because they then did not release the information at the second

batch. >> let me ask you this -- would you give, if some of the doj, would you be guided by the doj if they want to keep your quite until they discern what the result of the investigation is -- >> absolutely, reverend, say it, just refer it to the doj and be done with it. we're letting doj handle it, telling my attorney, don't deal with the white house. here is the one difference -- even though these circumstances couldn't be more different, this is what i would say. there could be a headline that says former president donald trump and president biden are both under investigation by doj for handling classified documents. that is a true statement -- >> but, we know that doesn't tell the full story -- >> but that's my point, because once you are explaining, you are losing. and that's the problem -- this is why it is a dangerous political problem. as a real life problem for the white house, it rates like a two or three. politically, though, politically, it is about an eight, because the republicans

don't now to recognize it. >> now, let me stay with you a minute, susan. let's turn to the new details that have emerged after congress's george santos admitted he embellished his background. there is a growing number of house republicans calling for him to resign, even as we should note, congressman santos apologized for some of his lies. the new york times reports, santos's lies were known to some well connected republicans during this campaign, but chose to look the other way. how should republicans be handling the situation? >> well, i think the local republicans are handling it correct correctly. the nassau county gop came out and said he should resign. the state chairman, gop chairman, who is also a freshman member of congress, said that santos should resign. what is shocking is, and you know this all too well, rev, is that d.c. and leadership are not following the lead of the people on the ground in new

york. >> right. >> and there's only one reason that they're not calling him out, and that is because he is a fourth vote. >> self preservation, that's what this is all about. >> what's your take, juanita, as more republicans are speaking on congressman santos, and why is that happening, and of course, government parties not speaking out. i wonder why. >> government hardly knows two things. one, he only has a margin of four votes, so self preservation, as susan mentioned. government kathy also knows that he has a motion to vacate, only requiring one republican. so, if mccarthy moves, you better believe santos will try to move, to try to delay and play that game. so, he some kind to anything here. but, absolutely, republicans would be calling for him to move, especially someone who's on the investigation at the state, federal, and international levels for fraud and lies -- >> but he cannot be removed from congress i -- mean, he could, technically, if two thirds of congress -- but they call for him to resign, and most importantly, they cannot put him on a single committee and not let him

caucus with them. but that, they will not do, because mccarthy will do anything to keep his power -- >> isn't that kind of twisted logic you want to investigate a president who turned in what you want to investigate, and if you don't -- >> know figure -- >> listen, i would argue that marjorie taylor greene -- >> at the same time, you knew this. >> -- she is much more dangerous to this country than george santos or whatever he calls himself. she is -- she is -- her abilities to reach people and speak is disgusting. the things that have come out of her mouth are way worse. now, george santos should not be an office, and he is a liar. but lying about volleyball and your job and your school is a lot different than being an antisemite and a racist. >> juanita, since you are here in the first time in person, and you've seen you through the screen always -- >> i want to go back to your note of hypocrisy. republicans will sink to any depth, all again in the name of self-preservation.

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>> welcome back. it is award season in hollywood and new york. broadway is back after the disruption of the pandemic, and the black contribution to both stage and screen cannot be overstated. still, a cross section of data suggests that despite gains for performers of color, it is behind the camera and the curtains that enduring challenges remain for creators of color. and that's why, my next guest whose career as a top dramatist has now stretched more than 40 years, and he's such as trailblazers. joining me now is sheldon epps, theater and television director, producer, and the author of the new memoir, my own directions, a black man's journey in the american theater. mr. sheldon epps, thank you for

joining us. always appreciate any chance i get to mention that i, myself, and something of a theater above, and reading about your career in this book and online, i was blown away by how deep your career has been as a black stage director. i know you are working in chicago right now on a musical, celebrating the life of 50s rmb single lloyd price, why got to know his last 20, 30 years. he's a great man. but you've been directing since the early 80s, working with people like the late great gregory hines, jennifer lewis, and other black stage legends. you also run some of the biggest theater companies in the country. the famed pasadena playhouse in l.a., and the historic ford's theater in washington, which of course brings us to your forthcoming book, my own directions, a black man's journey in the american theater. can you tell us -- >> thank you, rev. well >>, thank you.

tell us how those directions led you to this point. what that journey has been like for you? >> well, it's been a great journey. it's been satisfying. it's been fulfilling, including the opportunity to direct you, reverend, on an episode of girlfriends many years ago, but she may have forgotten -- >> no, i have not. [laughter] >> so, it's been full of wonderful opportunities like that. but, also, real challenges, real obstacles, real things to be overcome as a black man in the american theater. and by extension, people of color in america, facing some of those challenges and overcoming them at the center, in the heart of my book. >> now, you've directed both from the stage and the screen over some 40 years now. and the unifying thread is that black -- the working black directors remain rare, even now. the asian american performers action coalition found that

black directors only made 10% of those that helmed productions in the 2018 2019 nerc theater season, which was the last full season before the pandemic shut down. and then, there is hollywood, where despite a record number of tv records of color from getting to work in the 21 season, still, only 15% of them were black, according to the directors guild of americas annual inclusion study. and that is after decades of diversity initiatives, cultural trends, changing, and successes by black creators. as one of those creatives, who has done both stage and screen, and sustained a career? i'd like to hear your thoughts when you hear those numbers. >> well, i am thinking of two minds. i think those numbers are still woeful, that there is still a long way to go. but there is a stretch in there

when i was one, or the only director doing major shows on network television. so, i have to celebrate the fact that things have come a long way, but we still have a long way to go. and i think, particularly, a long way to go in getting into decision-making, making decisions of power to greenlight movies and television shows, and all of that. we are working, as directors and actors and writers. we still need more power in those decision-making positions. >> now, we had joined a group of creatives of the broad would play, ain't no more, with us just before the holiday break. another black broadway director, a production relying heavily on celebrity and financial support just to stay open over the last month. this, despite glory views in many cases by broadway press, who have suggested its box

office reception would be warmer, if it were not so black. still, you had a groundswell of support from black hollywood, collaborating to keep collaborators show open on broadway. i wonder what you take away from that exchange. what it says to you about where black entertainers and overall at this moment, you know, in terms of influence? >> well, as i said before, i think we have a lot to celebrate, a lot we should celebrate. but, i think at the heart of broadway theater, there are two problems. one is ticket prices, which are just exorbitant, and keep a lot of people out. there are ways to go about getting discounted gets, and people should take advantage of that. the other is that broadway needs to get more skilled at marketing to new audiences. as an industry, it is still a little stuck in using what

worked maybe 25, 30 years ago, with the existing audiences. when you are reaching out to new audiences, you have to find new ways to reach them, and to make sure that they know that you are, your invitation is senior, because when you have been closed out of places for years or decades, there's something in your dna that keeps you from even wanting to go into the building. >> through. >> so, it is very important that broadway grasp that and deals with that directly. >> yeah, the one thing i know about communication with marketing is that i usually don't answer my cell phone, unless somebody is calling me. and then, not calling us because they're not marketing to us. and then, they wonder why we're not responding. >> that's right. >> sheldon epps, thank you for being with us, and i hope everyone reads your memoirs. after the break -- that one movie which you need to watch this mlk weekend. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ moderate-to-severe eczema. it doesn't care if you have a date,

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