>> that is it for today, i am alicia menendez, but i will see you back here tomorrow for more american voices. for now, i handed over to my colleague, ayman mohyeldin. hello, ayman. >> hey, alicia, what did people learn more about george santos between now and tomorrow? the story changes so much. >> between now and tomorrow? you mean in this handoff? >> we'll see if we learned anything new about who this man really is. >> indeed. >> alicia, thank you, my friend, enjoy the rest of your evening. good evening, welcome to ayman tonight. we have new news in the biden classified case. there will be a massive fat check from us. why the issues from biden and

trump are not the same. plus, week one of the radical republican agenda, what we learned from kevin mccarthy's first week of the cast making speaker and freedom of the press, here the harrowing story of one journalist fight to report the truth, despite intense pressure and threats from far-right politicians. i am ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ breaking news, more documents have been found at president biden's delaware home, according to the presidents own special counsel, richard silver. and a statement today, silver said he found the documents on thursday, as he was working with justice department officials to hand over one final page of classified material. and while there, silver who has the security clearance needed to handle secure documents, set a found five additional pages

with classification markings. the biden administration has maintained that they will be following standard search particle, but there is an important question that remains, why was the president in possession of these materials in the first place? that was the question that attorney general merrick garland asked robert hur, a trump appointed u.s. attorney to get to the bottom of, after naming him special counsel in the departments probe. unsurprisingly, the investigation into biden has drawn comparisons to ex presidents trump's hoarding of sensitive material at mar-a-lago, but i want to take a moment here to address this because it's a weak comparison, when you look beyond the headlines. president biden's own team notified the archives of the material quickly, after it was discovered by them. they have since handed over the small number of documents to the proper authorities, and they have been notified, the justice department, throughout this entire process. in trump's case, it was tracked

down by the national archives and spent months resisting before he finally agreed to send 15 boxes of material to the agents, and that is when the department of justice got involved. believing trump was holding on to even more material. the fbi eventually executed a raid on trump's residence in florida after a subpoena was issued, where they recovered and additional 13,000 documents, about 100 of which were marked as classified. let's not forget, in all of this, trump is being investigated for obstructing the investigation into those documents. so far, that is not the case with joe biden. there are significant differences in how the documents came to light. the sheer amount of the material involved and, most importantly, how joe biden and donald trump both responded, but the problem is politics is not built for that kind of nuance in this country, and here is the thing. president biden sure has not helped his case with clapback

select this. >> mister president, classified material next to your bed, what were you thinking? >> i will get a chance to speak on all of this, god willing soon. i said earlier this week, and by the way, my corvette is in a locked garage, it's not like it's sitting on the street. >> so the material was in a locked garage? >> yes, as well as my corvette. as i said earlier this week, people know i take classified documents and classified materials seriously. >> with all due respect, do the american people really know that? a flippant responsive but your corvette is not exactly the most serious answer. speaking of being serious, democratic congressman hank johnson took things to a whole new level when he floated a baseless conspiracy that these documents could have been, quote, planted. it's no surprise that some in the party have grown frustrated with the white house, which did not disclose the discovery of

classified documents until it was reported by the media. nbc news is reporting that democratic allies are calling on the administration to be more forthcoming in its handling of this issue. right now, the american people need transparency, not clips about corvettes and conspiracies. the fundamental question biden and trump need to answer is why? why did they have classified documents in their position after leaving office? that's about the only question both men need to answer because that's where the similarities in their situations and. the sad thing is, wide there are stark differences in the cases against trump and biden, the facts won't stop the ex president supporters from pouncing, and a glib response from biden does nothing puckered more fodder for the gop. let's bring in our expert panel to discuss this and more. mercado -- matthew doubt served as chief strategist for the bush cheney did not support presidential

campaign, and joining us, former democratic congresswoman donna edwards, both msnbc political analysts. good to have all three of you with us. you have a lot of political experience within the three of you and legal expertise, and you can give the differences between these cases. for not though, i will start with you, breaking news, there's more documents that were previously disclosed at biden's residence in delaware. that material has already been turned over to the doj. does this latest discovery change anything at all in this case? >> no, it really does not. i think you said it well, ayman, when you say there is nothing more than a surface level similarity to these two cases. they really are quite different. i think the better comparison for the biden case is the hillary case, where you have inadvertent mishandling of sensitive material, and in both cases, there's a review taking place, taking a look at that, but just as with that case, the

only potential statute that could be implicated's mishandling and gross negligence of classified material, and just like in that case, where they came out and said that's a high bar -- i believe that will happen here. the only difference then donald trump is stumping his nose at the justice department -- and obstructing a federal investigation. >> donna, let me get your reaction that there is some frustration from the democratic party in regards to how the white house responded to this, according to nbc news reporting. how do you think the administration has handled the issue so far? for the president to some members of the democratic party commentary about it? >> look, it does not help that there's been this kind of drip, drip, drip, and i think it's easy for the public to conflate the situation of donald trump and with president biden, so that does not help either. and you are right, even though

the cases i think are very different, and we understand that and talk about it, but i think from the public perspective, and the political perspective, it's politics. it's not a surprise that republicans who have not said blip about donald trump and his handling of hundreds of classified documents, that they will pounce oh over and probably initiate hearings and investigations on this, so i think it's important for the president and for the white house to be forthcoming, to make sure that this is all. and then turn it over to the special counsel and continue to cooperate in the way that they have to get to the bottom of this. >> i find it interesting that the administration did not come out and amid or acknowledge that there is a situation unfolding back in early november, when the documents were first revealed and recovered, if you will. it did not come out into the public and to the media

reported on it. i think that was a miscalculation or misstep by this white house, a last chance to be transparent. again, we're still seeing that play out, matthew. that's interesting given that the attorney general has named robert herr as his special son so for this biden probe. he's a former trump appointee. he served as the type aide to the ex president's deputy attorney general, rob rosenstein. what do you make of garland's pick and was naming a special counsel it, trump west point special counsel, the kirk decision? i feel it may be indirectly reinforces this notion that there are trump appointees and biden appointees, and given who the other appointee is, you will get a certain semblance of an investigation? >> well, i actually think it was a smart move by the attorney general to appoint robert hur in this because it takes away the immediate of reactions which is that this is another democrat coming in and brush it aside.

though many people on the right are already attacking him, basically saying that he is not really a trump person, he is a deep state person. they're already going on the attack on this. i think your lead and was excellent and this, because so much we're missing in politics is any nuance, at all, in politics. it's either one thing or the other, and there is no gray matter involved. i think it will be, the fact that these two things are going out simultaneously, with a special counsels that are both going to release their report and decide what to do, is in the end to the benefit of joe biden. short term, it's a big problem because the politics were discussed and just the ability of the american public to look at the two things and break through it all, but in the end, if the facts are as we know them, and it was an accidental shifting a papers and all this, and that's where biden ended up, and trump was intentional, and he obstructed. if that is the case, having to

going on and then presenting their findings will benefit joe biden, but he probably at this moment and for the next few weeks, and the white house will not see it as a benefit in the moment. >> matthew, you've been around presidential politics way more than i certainly have or will ever get to. my central question in this is that both men have to answer why they had these classified documents. i think the american people are looking at this because they're not going to get into the details and nuance, but in what scenario are these two cases with that specific question in mind, a president leaving office fuss with classified documents, with that being in mind, what are some of the explanations or the logical once there are other? >> the explanation for donald trump is that he's already made it which is that i will take whatever i want, do whatever i want with any documents. there's no explanation needed there. he did it intentionally. i think the explanation for joe biden is the one that i would first go to in this case, and i

have worked in transitions in time, they're incredibly hectic. there are thousands and millions of peeps is a paper inboxes and stuff moving in and out in a short period of time. i don't know this for a fact, what i am about to say, but my presumption is that what happened with joe biden probably happened to every single president and vice president and probably chief of staff over the last 50 years. you're boxing up stuff, shuffling papers, you don't go through every folder, you don't know what is in all of it, and that is why i think it's easy to blame joe biden and the white house for mishandling this. what i think happened is, they were trying to get a handle on this, because they had no idea which papers went where, what was in what box, and they were as surprised as anyone when it showed up. and then when that happened, instead of the smart folks there, they were done what we already said would be done, dump it all at once. i don't think that a full handle on it because i think it was accidental in this massive

shuffling of papers that happens in the course of transitions. >> i think that definitely makes sense given what we have seen. i wonder what previous presidents are doing right now, if they're going to the library book ensured a dome of classified documents, as well. renato, one final question to you about the special prosecutor. once garland appointed a special counsel to oversee the trump investigation because he was going to be a candidate in the next presidential election, was he backed into a corner to do the same for joe biden? did he need to maintain at least the perception of similarity or consistency in the way he approached these cases? >> it's a very good question. it's 1 million dollar question. a lot of former prosecutors and current prosecutors have been chitchatting and discussing what we thought garland appointed as special counsel. i really think here, it's about perception and about public perception to the justice department, was it necessary, i really think it's not clear to me that there is any reasonable

crime, a chargeable crime that has been committed here, but i do think that as you pointed out, there's already a special counsel investigating the past president, also here, obviously, biden is the current president, attorney general garland, i think this is to make sure that the justice department is not involved in outside politics. >> i think these will be two cases though i will watch very closely. but it out, donna edwards, stick around. for not a mariano, thank you. up next, the first week under the new republican leadership, can't say anything other than it was an absolute mess. we'll break it down for you. u.

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penalties for doctors who failed to resuscitate babies born after an attempted abortion. tone-deaf, not compassionate and never going to pass the senate, those were her words, but frankly, you can apply those appraisals to the rest of the new gop agenda, but the first economic plan, which in the name of owning the lips, would turn taxing into a free-for-all for the uber wealthy and at an estimated 100 billion dollars to the national deficit, or their plan to address big tech which is crickets on misinformation and, instead, six to ban federal employees will speaking out against all night he speech. or their plan to create a so-called maga grievance subcommittee to look at to trump's fake deep state claims. the house gop agenda is everything we have been warning about. it is petty, retaliatory, and radical. matthew dowd and donna edwards are back with me. matthew, i will rely on your

connections here with the republican circles. how do most house republicans view this first week, and are they worried that things are already going off the rails? >> well, universally, with few if any exceptions voted for all of this in the course of this, even after the awful beginning of this process where it took them 15 belt or whatever to get to a speaker in this, i think when i just people not by what they say or people that tell me, oh, we really don't like this, they're doing it, so i just people by what they do and how they say. to me, watching this unfold, and i know they tried to give this explanation, well, we had a messy launch but now that we're launch will do this stuff, to me it's again a bunch of people getting on a cruise ship and being told that they will go to fantasy island, and then it finally launches a week late, and they finally get the captain on board,, and their fantasy island will be, will fix inflation, fix gas bushes, fix the border, and they

realize once they're on board, the tallest don't work and they're going to the island of dr. monroe. that's what happened in the course of this week, so republicans like to see say quietly, again, they've been doing this for five or six years, they don't necessarily agree with this, but every single one of them is going along with it, and that's how i judge them. >> i think that's the appropriate way to judge them, if you're silent, you are complicit. donna, your reaction to the abortion bill republicans push through this week and or it says about gop priorities and their mindset? >> i think representative miss hit on the head, the gop is completely tone-deaf in a country that supports abortion rights, that supports roe v. wade, and they are proceeding down this path that is really a very minority view in the country. they have this laundry list of things that i look at the list of things that they have done and, to me, it's like checking

the box for all of the promises that were made in the course of kevin mccarthy's getting the speakership and finally getting those votes. and they know that none of this stuff is going anywhere in the united states senate. it will never make its way to the presidents desk or a veto or a signature, and i think that it flies in the face of what the american people wanted. they're treating their leadership like they have a mandate, when they don't have a mandate for anything. they have basically four votes that they can spare on any given piece of legislation. it's not a mandate, and i think that they are setting themselves up in 2024 for democrats to regain the house. >> matthew, let's talk about politics and the reaction from kevin mccarthy, reiterating his threat to block ilhan omar, eric swalwell and adam schiff from serving on committees, saying it's basically payback

for democrats moving marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar from their assignments. it's unfathomable to compare the representatives that kevin mccarthy is going after to just the white supremacy and antisemitism from marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar and what led them to be removed from their committee assignments. >> yeah, but as the republicans have vocally admitted, the substance does not matter, the substantive recent does not matter. this is just about getting back, always about owning somebody, right? it's always about we will own the libs, own this group, that group, this person, that person, with no real substantive reason in the course of this. to me, the fact that they are comparing somebody like marjorie taylor greene be somebody like adam shift, the person that talked about the jewish space lasers versus somebody that has served in a

very admirable, competent way but competence is not something they want as a quality in a representative. they would rather have performance over confidence, and that is what the differences. the democrats want people to perform and get the job done. republicans want to people just like how many social media pollers they have and have you pissed off the liberals today? >> exactly, matthew doubt, donna edwards, thanks to the both of you, we greatly appreciate it. after the break, i will discuss the house gop majority that biden classified case and more with congressman -- - hi, we've both got a big birthday coming up. so we have a lot of questions about medicare plans. we've got a lot of answers! how can i help? well for starters, do you include hearing benefits?

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from defaulting on its obligations. democrats have made it clear that failure to act is not an option. in a joint statement, leader schumer and jeffrey said that democrats want to move quickly to pass legislation addressing the debt limit so that there is no chance of risking a catastrophic default. joining me now is democratic congressman adriano a spot of new york. it's good to have you with us, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about this first week. you have the democrats now up against the clock, so to speak, because of the debt ceiling about to expire. i think it'll probably be june, janet yellen notifying congress that some actions have to be taken. where do you see this playing out? how do you see this playing out given the fact that kevin mccarthy and the radical republicans have not shown any interest and dealing with this, cutting social security and medicaid? >> first of all, that has been done 70 times since 1960. 49 times under republican

administrations, so this is not new, and certainly, if you don't do it, it will impact the economy, we will slip into a recession again, it could shut down government, so this is not a good way to run a government, and i think that cooler heads will prevail, although mccarthy has cut a lot of deals behind closed doors to get his speakership, but i think both the senate and the house understand that we cannot spin the country back into another recession or really shut down the government. that's not the way to run the government, and i think we will reach it. >> very optimistic on your part given that mccarthy cut some of these backroom deals, it may be the extra members of the parties that won't budge, like they were willing to prevent him from getting that position. >> that's correct in part of the problem of how the speakership vote was handled, these backroom deals handcuffed

the leadership to do anything, really. anybody can wake up on any given day and take the speaker to task and call a vote, question is leadership, so very weak majority, very narrow majority. i think -- that's what the american people want. >> what do you make up their first week? they passed more bills on abortion, launched investigations into biden, what happened to their promise of tackling kitchen table issues for working class and middle class americans like inflation and gas prices? >> like yogi bera, it's getting late and kind early here. this is in the rearview mirror for them, and obviously, they continued their assault against a woman's right to choose. they'll go into a biden hunt. that's the kind of stuff that they will try to put on the table, not really the kitchen table issues that the american people have to wrestle with on a daily basis. we as democrats will govern in

a responsible way. we'll address those issues, we got to address inflation, address runaway prices -- >> with you think of kevin mccarthy this week saying he might expunge one or two of the impeachment against donald trump? what is going on? >> i think that is a little bit too much. this already happened, it happened twice, and i think for him to know try to take it to account, something that occurred under a different majority, under different circumstances, there's a little bit out of his reach. i think we will question his ability to do the. >> let me ask you about the classified documents that this administration is doing with now, the documents that were discovered both at the presidents house in delaware as well as the penn biden center. nbc news reporting suggests that there is some way that the administration has been handling this in terms of communication and transparency about it. how do you feel it's been

handled by the administration? >> i disagree, i think it's been handled quickly and swiftly. i think the white house counsel immediately -- >> they did not acknowledge it until the media reports came out. these were discovered in november, and it was not until now -- >> they acted swiftly and there was no intent to obstruct, and i think that is the key, right? what was the intention? was there any intention to obstruct anything? clearly, this administration did not intend to obstruct. they moved quickly, they are cooperating on a daily basis, and they want this to go through and play out as a should. >> you think it's so far been adequate? >> i believe so, i think it's been adequate. >> let me ask you about george santos, your fellow congressman from the state of new york. >> who? >> exactly, who? how do you process that? what do you think -- you think he should resign? how do you think you should be dealt with by the speaker? you have kevin mccarthy going after your colleagues, eric

swalwell, adam schiff, ilhan omar, saying that they will be stripped from their committee assignments. and george santos, quite honestly, nobody knows much about, given the lies that he has been telling. so far, no punishment from the speaker? >> i would love to see what kind of committee he will be in, because i tell you what, i don't trust him having access to classified information. i think that he could present a clear and present danger. god forbid that the brazilian government attorney general, district attorney over there decides to indict and seek extradition. we may have a fugitive congressman. >> that would be pretty problematic if he had a congressman that turned out to be wanted by a foreign country. >> that is correct, so this is all in play, and of course, are many members have pushed his ability to service constituencies and some members of his own party have asked him to resign, so this guy comes in under a cloud of distrust and lies, potential prosecution.

it's not the best scenario for the congress and house of representatives. >> let me ask you about immigration for a second. the president was done at the border this week, as we -- always has been, not a lot of progress on trying to address it. how do you think this administration should handle the issue of the immigration crisis we're seeing on the southern border but also the application of title 42 being put into place after the supreme court set that you can't use it? >> the administration should discuss on a regular basis with those members of congress that represent the border districts. they're there every day, they understand the issue, and congress members like myself understand the immigration issue in general, because of my own particular story. i think that the scenario as changed somewhat, there is a crisis of a democracy in the americas. we have seen what happened in brazil is happening in peru, there's been six presidents improve over the last six

years. there's violence in ecuador, venezuela, and there is haiti and cuba. a lot is happening in america, and that is what is proposing people to come. we have now let in a long time, and this neglect has led us to this condition that we are facing, beyond title 42, and beyond parole and the asylum seeking process that must be provided for everyone. we're a nation known for providing the ability of people to seek asylum and a life. we should not alter the, that should be available to all people to seek refuge in the united states of america. >> congressman adriano espaillat, always a pleasure. congratulations on your first week. hopefully it will get easier after this. >> it's been a real rollercoaster ride. >> the country needs it, appreciate it, sir. coming up, it is chaos and pennsylvania right now thank you, yep, you guessed it, republicans. we will explain next. we will explain next (cecily) well, there is a smarter way to save. (einstein) oh?! (cecily) switch to verizon! (vo) that's right.

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microcosm of the republican-induced chaos that we are seeing at the federal level and the house of representatives. one week into what was supposed to be a bipartisan experiment, the pennsylvania state house is stuck in gridlock. at the beginning of the week, democratic house speaker mark rossi sent lawmakers home without taking a single vote, after they failed to reach an agreement on the rules needed to actually advance legislation. so that means that there is actual legislation that can be passed, and a future constitutional amendment, that

is also in question, including one that would allow child sex abuse victims to sue him and under wise outdated claim. this is not about governing rules as much as it is about control and power. democrats filled 12 seats in the state has there in the midterm elections, winning a narrow house majority for the first time in over a decade. but, three of those seats no longer have democratic representatives due to outstanding circumstances, meaning that technically, republicans hold the majority until those open seats are filled. and so, as a result, chaos has ensued. joining me now is pennsylvania state representative and democratic leader joanna mcclinton. thank you so much, i greatly appreciate, time representative mcclinton. when you are on my show last night with my colleague michael steele, you mentioned how you wanted to get straight to work in january to pass legislation, but as we have just seen, the state house is facing gridlock, where do negotiations between republicans and democrats then

today? >> so, the gridlock is the accurate word because, unfortunately, we have not been able to do the operating rules. before we can get committee assignments out, before we can choose a chairman, before we can move any pieces of legislation, the first thing we have to do is have operating rules, and governor wolf called this into special session last week so that we can get justice to the survivors, and, unfortunately, for special session, we only needed real simple hair down rules, and the republicans refused to meet with us and refused to negotiate. we are at a standstill. >> speaking of that amendment, what is at stake here when you have these amendments like the one in support of survivors of child sexual abuse being held up? it must be extremely frustrating for you, but what else is at stake here from a real world consequence? >> so first with the amendment, this amendment passed in significant bipartisan measures for multiple years and the pennsylvania house and

pennsylvania senate. it passed multiple times, and in order for the voters to be able to finally get these victims of child sexual abuse the access of justice, it has the past right now, and we have to get it done in the month of january, so it could get to the bell in may. without having pulls for special session, we're not able to get that bill of the committee and get it to the full house for a vote. >> you have the republican representative, jim gregory, who nominated democratic house speaker rossi as a compromise candidate and then pushed for him to switch his party affiliation to independent. now he's asking for rossi to resign because he does not think he will fall through the. what is the democrat game plan here? what do you think democrats should do amidst all this jostling for a position? >> one of the things we are doing is following the speaker's sleep. the speaker created a workgroup that is going to be getting together next week so that we

can work on the rules for special sorenson and the rules for reckless ocean. we can operate in this gridlock because to your point, while we have to get justice to the survivors, there are also many pieces of legislation, we have put our heads together and work through these details. we have a new governor that starts on tuesday, and lieutenant governor. we look forward to working with them. we will not be able to function this term if this is how it will be. >> let me switch gears to this upcoming special elections taking place. yesterday, the commonwealth ruled in your favor to have the elections take place on february the 7th. republicans are calling that a paperwork insurrection. i want to give you a chance to respond to that and what you expect to see in the elections with these three seats that need to be filled? >> it's disappointing that they chose to use the words paperwork insurrection when two years ago, they put letters together signing their names, saying that there were irregularities and our election, when there have been no irregularities. conspiracy theories, the big

lie, we know a lead to a rule that the insurrection, so that is not funny, not a joke, something that i take seriously, but it's disappointing to see that in a new, session they have the same old big lie and still trying to disenfranchise people but taking us to court, so that 200,000 votes in allegheny county will not elect state representative serving their communities until may. i'm glad that the appellate board, notwithstanding their lawsuit, decided that the recent election from february to seventh was banned. we are working hard, have great candidates, they are knocking doors, so many of our colleagues, are working because in our perspective, these are the three seats we need so that we can be in the majority and advance a legislative policy that will keep people first. >> state representative mcclinton, thank you for your time. we look forward to continuing this conversation in the weeks and months ahead. hopefully it will get soon results sooner rather than later. thank you. >> -- >> ahead, the journal is being targeted by the far-right from

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is not for her critical reporting on india far-right leader modi's government. he she has faced a slew of attacks and harassment by far-right individuals in the government in response to her reporting. she has faced online harassment including having air face morphed onto pornographic video clips that circulated feeling what's up. she's faced death threats and had her personal data published online, even had their bank accounts frozen by government agencies in response to a complaint from a man linked to a pro modi group. not a faces trial for fraud charges of money laundering. they allege that she mishandled money that europe's victims but she says it is the government's latest attempt to silence her and is emblematic of a journalist in india are facing. the washington post opinion contributor -- joins me now. thank you for making the time. let's start with a reporting here for our viewers who may not be familiar with it. what reporting as upset the government of prime minister modi?

>> ayman, next for having me. i have been a critic of prime minister modi and his right wing politics. my investigation -- for muslims. i have been calling out the silence on the two dozen to genocide of muslims, where he was the chief orchestrator. but as prime minister of india, he has attacked minorities in india. the brutalization of 220 muslims in india. he was the prime minister of not just -- he's not taken a single press conference in the last eight years. journalist like me, without my privilege, are silenced, are being arrested, have been killed with impunity, and the prime minister of india continues to rain. this is not what journalists do, and this is exactly what i am doing. or bring witness to dislike of india from a democracy to a fascist state. >> you talked about the

pressures and challenges that journalist are facing, how concerned are you about the far-right crackdown on the freedom of press in india? >> i am extremely concerned -- for a story he did not report, and just when he was about to be released, he has been slapped with money laundering charges and allegations that has been stopped against almost every journalist and critic of the ruling government. many of the journalists are behind bars. they used software like -- activists are behind bars for even criticizing mr. modi's meetings in india and abroad. in the world press freedom index, india has fallen from one 42nd to the one 15th position. it's the world's largest democracy, at this point in time, we don't really have a robust independent press. what we do have is a mainstream

media that repeats the lies that the government and others that you have the independent journalists, some of the most -- relentless because they are not employed by the opposition, and if they are, then they are asked to speak the language of the owners and the government by extension. >> how concerned are you about what is to come next, i mean how have you managed to continue to your work in the face of everything you have experienced over the last four years? >> ayman, i've not been able to do much of my reporting because i have mostly been -- while i am talking to you, i'm dealing with about five different sets of lawyers. on the 23rd, i appear for a summit that's been commission to me by a court for an article to iraq in 2009 about hindu nationalism and about the tariffs attacks in india. i am appearing in another court for an appearance on a bbc show on the hijabi ban in india, facing money laundering charges,

tax evasion and another case about a tweet of mind that allegedly promoted animosity between hindus and muslims in india. right now as i talk to you, i really wish i could get back to be doing what i do best and think about what is happening in india, who is marginalized and privileged. that unfortunately, i have been stop from doing right now. when they're not going behind bars, when we journalists are not getting killed, they get killed -- >> this is a situation that i would say is not getting enough attention here in the united states. what do you believe the u.s. should be doing more of to change the course of what is happening either in india, in your case, specifically? you had the former democratic senator patrick leahy speak out last month about the harassment and central that you are facing. he is unfortunately not been in office, but what you want to see the u.s. doing to help? >> i think at this point in

time, the u.s. and other democracies and the world need to speak louder for press freedom, and it should not be a performative thing. it should not just be a lip service to the free press and journalism. the world should understand that if the world's legitimacy of india goes down on their, then so does the world. the u.s. and other countries should that matters should not look at india as just an ally strategically because of russia and china, we should look with india with 1.2 billion people, where so many of us are trying to tell stories about india, are being silenced with impunity. what -- the world's watch, the dictators watch each other, they learn from each other's playbooks, if we are silenced with impunity, it will have repercussions from the world. the world needs speak up more than ever before in solidarity with each one of, especially those who do not have outreach. >> we wish you the best of luck, as you face these challenges. we certainly are supporters of press freedom and will do anything we can to help promote the freedom of the press anywhere in the world.

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