new congress is up to and what is at stake next week, with republican representative john macon of nebraska, another hour of velshi begins right now. i begins right now >> good morning, it is sunday, january 15th. i'm ali velshi. we begin with a dire warning for the american economy, a debt ceiling slowdown, showdown, situ explode this week in congress, potentially with disastrous consequences. in order to understand what is at stake, i will start with a history lesson and a historic visit. on friday, the president hosted japanese prime minister flew geo concede at the white house, an important visit meant to highlight the close relationship and alliance between the two nations, japan and america. among the things that were discussed, russia's war in ukraine, china, the constant escalating threat of north korea and ways to make japan a greater military power, something which is historically interesting, because japan is deliberately avoided doing that in his post world war ii existence. by the way, speaking of

russia's brutal war and his visit, russia's former president, former foreign minister, former president dimitri medvedev has reacted publicly stating kishida has shown a complete subservience to the u.s. and should ritually disembowel himself, which i admit is a little harsh to be discussing on sunday morning tv. we will have more on russia's war in the chaos inside russia in a few minutes, with russia's foreign foreign minister, but first, back to the brief history lesson i brought up, because japan is interesting for another important reason. one which should serve as a stark reminder to american lawmakers at what happens when you play with fire in a fragile economy. sometimes, as fire goes out of control, and has catastrophic consequences. coming out of the 1970s and 1980s, headed to the 1990s, japan was the fastest growing economic power in the world, a global financial club manufacturing all sorts of things. think about watches, panasonic tvs, toyota cars. when our stuff was manufactured

in china than in japan, then in china. then in the early 90s, economic disaster, the start of something called the lost decade. it was characterized by what was essentially a zombie economy in japan. not quite dad, but not alive, not growing. caused by a number of factors. essentially, it was a mix of an 80s greed is good mentality coupled with high interest rates. that caused something called stagflation, a stagnant inflation, sort of like a recession, with high inflation. an economic disaster for a developing nation, because the two things must be solved in different ways. , it is difficult to get out of. japan's lost decade from 19 91 to 2001 turned into what was known as the lost 20 years. and then the lost 30s, something to panic still dealing with. in fact, the day before he met with biden at the white house, the prime minister implored business leaders in japan to get this, accelerate wage increases, warning the economy

can once again fall into stagflation if they fell behind quickly rising inflation. another issue americans should think about. let's bring it back home to the u.s., because newly in charge republican lawmakers in the house of representatives, if they allow the chaos caucus to push them into a dangerous and dame debt ceiling stunt, stagflation or something like it could be the future for our nation. while recent data shows that inflation is slowing down, it is still high, maybe three times as high as we would like it to be. right now the future of our entire economy, while it looks strong is uncertain. the threat of recession continues to be very real in america. on thursday, 40s rail, treasury secretary janet yellen says the united states will hit what is known as the debt ceiling, a self imposed limit of how much that the united states government is allowed to take on to cover the gap between what the government takes in and what it spends on a yearly basis. that debt is financed by the bonds the u.s. government issues, bonds sold to investors and ordinary people alike. the bonds are promised to pay

back a loan and a certain interest rate. the rate is low because a loan made to the u.s. government is considered the safest investment in the world. however, if this ceiling is not raised as some house republicans are threatening, the loan becomes less safe. that causes a catastrophic chain of consequences, including a slight peak in inflation, and simultaneously slipping an uncertain economy into a recession. a stagnant economy, plus inflation equals stagflation. if we get ourselves into that position, we could be through a difficult few years economically. imagine our own lost decade or lost 20, were lost 30? this, all because a certain group of house republicans want to play politics with america's prosperity. joining me now is republican congressman don baker, of nebraska. a regular guest on our show, friend of our show. congressman, thank you for being with us. you have had a busy few, weeks you are central to the discussion going on in the house going on about who is in charge of the republican

conference in the house. is it a small group of 20 people, with pretty hard-line views? is it problem solvers? moderates? who is it? because now this will become a very important discussion as we look at the debt ceiling. io>> good morning, ali. thank you for having me on. good morning, happy sunday, for our viewers. ali, you are right. this is a fight to see who is in control of the two and 20 republicans two weeks ago. we had five or six people who wanted to say they were in charge, 200 said no, you know -- i lead a team as combat, deployed four times, even with an imperfect team, you have to pull together, work together. we had a handful in a lot of the demand with us to establish work. i think the introduction about the economy, the debt ceiling is spot on. the last one months, inflation is low paste wage increase. and standing working for

america has gone down, i will encourage our side of the aisle, and also encourage president biden to sit down and talk through this debt ceiling increase. he says he refuses to negotiate? people on our side 100% of what they want, that's not going to work either way. we should sit down and find the middle ground. republicans were reluctant to try to, you know, patrol what we consider spending. that was the main mission our voters gave us. they could be something to that to reducing the spending that we have. but we have to look at the parliament, and demand as a majority in congress, in the house, we think that will happen. we have to sit down and have an honest talk, trying to meet in the middle. that is what a good statement is supposed to do. >> you make an interesting point. the white house spokesperson said we are not negotiating the increase to the debt ceiling. you are right, some members of your caucus, your conference saying that this is nonnegotiable, we are not raising the debt ceiling.

i would interpret the white house as saying, we are negotiating through existing means, whether it's through direct negotiations, the budget committee. the way in which the government spends, that's a valid, good faith discussion. right there, conservatives and libertarians in this country, who say maybe the government should not spend more, and taking them on a yearly basis. we've done this by the way, every year except five for the last 50 years. that's a valid discussion. i think i heard the white house say we are not negotiating about the fact that we are increasing the debt ceiling. >> i would agree with that, it would have to be increased. from my vantage point, i think the majority of the republicans and the house, we want to see a commitment and a plan to reduce spending, guys on a trajectory for going in the right way. that is what you will hear. too refused to say we will raise the debt limit, it was not good for america, is not good for the economy. that would hurt all americans in the long run. we just want to see a plan, dew

point us in the right direction. we can't have it 100% our way, we only control the house, one of the two houses of the bicameral, we don't control the presidency. but the president also realize that we were reluctant to get the spending under control, so there has to be a meeting in the middle to get this done. >> we had our former colleague, fred upton on, you said it could be a possible speaker candidate what kevin mccarthy was getting elected. it is an interesting concept. kevin mccarthy's not fred upton, he is a guy who lives closer to the kind of discussions you and i have on, on this show, about ways you can be a statesman, dealing with people across the aisle and getting things done. tell me what you see for kevin mccarthy's leadership, given the fact that he had to make a deal with a handful of people who don't share your political views in some cases? >> you know, we first voted for

kevin, he got 85% of the vote, at 90%, one point, 94%? it was a four seat majority, i think 98%. i'm used to playing on teams where you make your case, you vote, you coalesce around the winner and serve as a team. nothing speaker mccarthy will have his hands full with five or six people continuing to demand their way or the highway. that makes for a dysfunctional house, it hurts all republicans and will hurt us in 2024. it's my hope that folks see the big picture, we have to work together. you can't just operate against the republicans in the house. at some point, you have to do things about the debt limit, come up with budgets, and work it with the senate. if you want to govern, you have to work with democrats and find some middle ground to get this done. i think speaker mccarthy will have a challenging task. he spent a lifetime preparing

for this. i will be working with him, supporting him. in the end, we have to work with democrats to move things forward. there is no way the republicans in the house, by themselves can do all of the things they want will control the senate for the presidency. it's a fact of life. james madison designed it. we have to embrace the real-ism over here and do the best we can to get the best deal that we can. >> i know you are working hard during the week to get something done, always appreciative of people in congress trying to move forward. we appreciate your time, thank you for joining us as always, republican congressman don baking of the basket. still ahead, more and more people are calling to abolish the electoral college. we will dig into the organ systems and why it might not be such a bad idea to get rid of it altogether. plus, an update on the brutal war in ukraine putin had to change chief commander on the frontlines again. i will stick with under closer, of the foreign minister in russia. first, with a real george santos please stand up? d up ♪

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called for facts's sake. we take a claim, we fact-check it so you don't have. it is like though she mythbusters, without urban legends, explosions and basic science. in order to do, that i would require some facts to actually be factual. this next detail could only be described as a fairytale. the amazing, fantastical's life of george santos, a congressman, a college volleyball champion, a golden sachs alum, allegedly. what little we know about him includes his name, or does it? the freshman congressman is a serial fabulist, who lied about his religion, ethnicity, work history, education and even his athletic talent. two years before his successful run for congress, republican officials on long island sent the political novice a standard vetting questionnaire to look over his qualifications. the resume that santos handed over was impressive.

almost too impressive. the new york times obtained a copy of that resume, i have the right here, it is two pages long. we highlighted all of the untruth and fabrications we know of so far. i should say it's a glowing resume, just as mr. sanders intended, starting with his education. he claimed to have graduated summa cum laude, with a three point 89 gpa from bird college in 2010, 2013, the document claims here in the nba from new york university, a tremendous impression here, very basic fact checking as determined that was a ally. officials at both schools told our affiliate is no record of him ever attending. moving on to his job history, mr. sanders claimed to work for citigroup, but more than double the revenue is a project manager at goldman sachs. but don't bank on that. very basic fact checking determined that he was also lying about that. republicans, sorry, representatives from both companies told our nbc

affiliate there is no record of santos ever having worked at either citibank or goldman sachs. according to the new york times, a small group of all connected republican campaign officials knew that most of george santos's life was a lie will be for the public data, but he insisted on running anyways, and he won. now the list of lies have just gotten longer. it's becoming impossible to keep up with the tangled web of lives mr. santos has spun. remember the debris from bird college never attended? nassau county officials told the new york times he told them he was a star volleyball player, leading bucks team to a championship. in fact, he said specifically he was a striker because every detail actually counts. he claims he was a quote, proud american jew, but recently tried to rectify that by claiming he never claimed to be jewish, rather he meant he was to-ish, whatever that means. there's no evidence his family

is any kind of jewish. very bizarre, apparently his mother died twice. he claimed that 9/11 claimed his mother's life, five months later he tweeted again singh's mother died in 2016. that is the question of his finances. according to the new york times, he loaned his campaign $700,000 over the money, but reported only making $54,000 a year back in 2020. two years later, poof, the company, the devoted her organization is suddenly worth more than 1 million dollars. maybe it is those revenue building skills he learned goldman sachs where he did not work? maybe he owns a magic oil lamp with the genie inside? we said on this show before, george santos things you could pull off a catch me if you can style skin, but is not as smart as the character played by lionel dicaprio. when mr. santos house of lies began to cave in, he said he made some mistakes. he admitted to, in his words, of embellishing's resume, and

apologize for doing so. despite calls from democrats and republicans to resign, and several investigations into his fraudulent statements, mr. santos says, i was elected by 142,000 people. into those same 142,000 people tell me they don't want me. we will find out in two years. oh, do you mean these people, mr. santos? >> i want this man out, he had the nerve to say that? i don't answer to politicians, i answered to my constituents what i want, and i want him out. >> it is pretty devastating, that as a community, we voted this man in without checking his credentials. >> i think it is disappointing. the people of long island deserve better. >> i think he should step down. nobody is going to want to work with him. it is too much bad blood now. >> i don't consider him if it

to shine my shoes. to>> not a volleyball champion, doesn't appear to be a champion of the people either. the voters did not elect you, mr. sanders. they elected a version of you, invented by your imagination. sadly, george santos represents so much that is wrong today. lies, denial and the death of shame. e. oman: i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: that's service that fits your schedule. go to safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪things are getting clearer.♪ ♪i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me♪ ♪nothing and me go hand in hand♪ ♪nothing on my skin♪ ♪that's my new plan♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin,

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this devastating attack in a short time after russia unleashed a barrage of strikes on the capital city of kyiv yesterday morning. once again, targeting civilian infrastructures. separately, russian forces claimed they have taken control of soledar, a salt mining town in eastern ukraine which holds political importance. ukraine maintains that soledar has not been taken. meanwhile, we are fast approaching the 11 month mark the totally unprovoked invasion of ukraine, and the russian president, vladimir putin is barely anything to show for it. even his generals are flipping tactically on the battlefield, despite having a registered military, almost triple the size of ukraine's at the beginning. according to the prime minister of ukraine, as of last week, the country has reclaimed 54% of territory taken by russia since last february. just this week, putin was forced, yet again to appoint a different chief commander on the frontlines, this being the second time he's done so in recent months. on wednesday, the russian defense ministry announced putin loyalist and the country's most senior general,

valerie gerasimov on saint lead its effort in ukraine. in all places, the former top commander sergei surovikin, being demoted after being at the helm for three months. the change of leadership signals potential for new russian offensive, which could prove challenging for ukrainians in the bitter winter months. but this is where things stand today, nearly a whole year of deadly warfare, and ukraine continues to fend off it's faux. not bad for a warrant putin said it will be done in about three days. joining me now is the perfect person to discuss this juncture of the war in ukraine, andrei kozyrev, the former foreign minister of russia. mr. kozyrev, good to see you again, thank you for being with us. i want to specifically speak to you because you have a closer and more nuanced understanding of what is likely going on in russia, at three levels. the political level, highest level, the military level and among the people of russia. what are they thinking and feeling about how this is going?

>> well, good morning, thank you for having me. those are the key questions at this stage, because the word seems to be entrenched. unfortunately, the west speaks of staying with this war as long as it takes. takes for what? to achieve what? and wrong is the wrong word, the wrong strategy. that is the strategy putin now adopts. in russia, he has a considerable instinct, a large part of the russian population are either supportive, towards this war, and that might continue for long because of the overwhelming propaganda.

there is no way to get fresh air from the opposition. the snow opposition except intense. immediately, they are subdued, they are also fearful because this is also kgb, the ex kgb. he created the so-called national guard, completely different from what we have here in america. it is just an extra police force, more like ss, probably. also, the level of the work, the technological level of the war, on the russian side, on the ukrainian side because the west, unfortunately including the united states deny ukraine

most modern weapons to strike back, to strike back to the origins of those missiles. they are coming it's not identifiable, you and i don't know where they are exactly, but i am sure that from this space, from surveillance, you can tell for sure. that is where the counter strike, the strike back to go. not to moscow, not to the russian people, so to say. i am sure that ukrainians don't want to hit russian populations, other than buildings. but that would be a real change

in the war, who would take over if ukraine, the big tough guy for the west. >> an important point were making. ukraine's been able to hold him off with all of its western weaponry and training, but in the end, this could go on for years. russia has got more people. they might not be in the mood to fight but they are able to conscript blanket them on, rumors of there being 5000 more people, getting ready to go to war. and others here are saying, why don't you give ukraine everything it needs now to actually win this war? or we will do this over the course of a year, two years, three years. the end result might be the same? >> well, no, that would be a game-changer. let's see. russian adventure is unlimited, almost, i mean, relatively speaking, but i'm limited. you said 50, 000, 300,000 lost

lives recently. putin can mobilize anytime he wants. millions, probably millions. of recruits. and their economy is hurt by sanctions but. and the technology is a bad war country. and that's the advantage of the west. this global war for freedom best weapons and should be provided to ukraine. not pose to mislead delayed.

they still provide something, like, the vents, patriots, those patriots are not provided, not provided eight months ago. because it was absolutely -- they were bombing all the time and they're continuing to send the missiles. and you know what hurts me, kind of, in my person? because i live in america, and i love america, i love russia, i love ukraine, i love america. and that is the ally of russia. is iran. and russia is using iranian on drones to hit deep into ukrainian territory. america has much better drones. i'm sure.

i'm sure -- >> that's a good guess -- >> we have much better missiles and other things. so why, they have miserable, despicable, an ally like iran, and they use -- relatively speaking -- advanced weapons and ukraine has an unbelievable ally like america -- >> yeah -- >> like forget about turkey and other nations, or hungry, which are drawing back from nato. but this country itself. if america starts to provide weapons, most if not all of nato countries will follow because that's american leadership. >> yeah. >> leaders, we need to be leaders, not following the, you

know, yuck list that we like to do to fight, or somehow be dependent on putin. >> good to see you again. we appreciate having you here this morning. the former foreign minister of russia. we will be back. ia we will be back.

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wrapped up its investigation into the insurrection the panel east of the 800-page over port and recommended for criminal referrals against former president donald trump. one of the charges recommended a guest him a plot to cement his own fake electors to change the outcome of the 2020 election which he lost. the committee's report also included 11 recommendations and how to prevent the repeat of the january 6th insurrection. and an attempt to subvert the election. committee representative jamie raskin of maryland proposed one more recommendation. a 12th that didn't make the cut. he proposed abolishing the electoral college. >> i think that the electoral college now, which has given us five popular vote losers as presidents in our history, twice in this century alone, has become a danger. not just to democracy, but to the american people, it is a

danger on january 6th, there are so many curving by ways, and nooks and crannies, in the electoral college that there are opportunities for a lot of strategic mischief. we should elect the president with the way that we elect governors, senators,, mayors representatives, everybody else. whoever gets the most votes wins. >> that's pretty straightforward, whoever gets the most votes wins. at risk of telling yourself something you probably already know, the electoral college, established by section two of the constitution is a group of intermediaries is ignored by the constitution to choose the president and vice president. each state is allocated a number of electors, equal to the net total number of senators and representatives. and in most cases whichever candidate wins that state's popular vote is awarded all of that states electoral votes. but as congressman raskin explains, it also means the candidate who wins the nationwide popular vote can and often does lose the election. raskin is not the first to argue against the electoral

college, in 1960, at the end in indiana senator worked by set on the speech and the senate floor, making small adjustments to the electoral college will be shifting around the parts of a creaky and dangerous automobile engine. making at no less creaky and no less danger. as what we may need as a new engine because we are now in a new age. and quote. congress cain, extraordinarily close to abolishing the night the -- electoral college in 1969, but it passed the house overwhelmingly and died in the senate. a year later. from its inception, there have been more than 700 proposals to reform or -- amend the electoral college system, all of them failed. to get a complete as picture as possible in the minutes that i have, i'm gonna do a quick -- history lesson, on how we got such a system. when most of us learned integrates goal was that the electoral college was put in place to protect the interests of the smaller states. they designated the system to prevent, quote, tyranny of the majority. but today, many historians point out that what most of us were taught in school, is a little bit of revisionist

history. in fact, the electoral college was designed to protect the interests of slave holding states. the electoral college was established as a compromise, between those who felt that congress should choose the president, and those who favor the nationwide popular vote. the key argument against direct popular vote elections at the time, of the constitutional convention, back in 1787, was in large part that the southern states would be disenfranchised, because so much of their population was enslaved people who couldn't vote. if you look at the census from 1790, the largest day by far was virginia. but 40% of virginia's population was enslaved. if you counted just the eligible voters, which is the second column, free, white, property owning men, all of the sudden the northern states actually end up with a majority. in compromise, the founders applied the three fifth cause. counting three out of five enslaved people, as part of the states total population, even

though they couldn't vote. thereby granting more electors to slam voting states, and more power to eligible voters in those states. the races georgians of the electoral college still manifest today. countless analyses still show the same trend. the same mechanics islam tends to give disproportionate voting power to both small states, which tend to be very white, and a small number of swing states, most of which are also disproportionately white. it also means that the presidential campaigns, instead of working to appeal to the majority of americans, target their campaigns, to swing in small states. just 12 states got 96% of campaign events. more than 90% of campaign spending in the 2020 election. a recent gallup poll found that the majority of americans believe the presidency should be decided by popular vote, though the issue fell sharply along party lines. according to that same poll, 61% of americans, nearly 90% of democrats, and only 23% of republicans are in favor of that direct popular election

for president. now, moving away from the electoral college system, would be a massive undertaking, especially with the kind of polarization we have in our politics to -- politics today. certainly an amendment that abolishes the electoral college altogether, there are potential paths forward. a popular vote system to arrive at a popular vote system. and the most prominent is called the national popular vote interstate compact. which is basically an agreement among states, that their electoral votes will be awarded to whichever candidate won the national popular vote. which would go in effect, as soon as states totaling 270 electoral votes, and act the compact. already,. 15 states and the district of columbia, totaling 195 electoral votes, have signed on to this agreement. after a quick break, i'm gonna talk to one of the people who helped oversee the idea behind the national popular, vote interesting compact. he is the expert of all experts, unconstitutional issues. professor akhil reed amar, standing by. mar, standing by.

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person i wanted to talk about this subject with. he's a startling professor of law and political science at yale, where he teaches constitutional law. his work has been cited in by constitutional justices by more than 45 peoples. >> -- me many books, the words that

made us on situational conversation, he has a podcast called omar -- omar are -- a kill reader mars constitution, thank you for joining us this morning. >> it's an honor to be with you this morning. thank. you >> let me ask you about our current system, whether a lot of voters who live in swing states, who feel that their vote doesn't really count in the system that we've got? one argument in favor of a national popular vote is that it actually might have people feel more engaged, it might increase voter turnout. is that something that we should be thinking about as an argument about why do this? >> it is, my friend, jamie raskin, and i sent him and his family my very best wishes, we've been friends forever, put it very strongly. we pick governors in every single state, one person one vote, whoever gets the most vote wins. there is one state you have to have a majority whether that -- rather than a player. oddly plurality.

that's how we pick governors and governors and governors and many presidents and the mayors and the so that is a strong argument for the thing. it's just a basic idea of equality. one person one vote. which works very well elsewhere. there is arguments for the electoral college, and we can talk about them as well. it's not a slam dunk. >> you lay this out in preparing for this interview, my producer or -- listen to you talk about what is your view, the key arguments before and against. you're number one argument for direct election is equality. the main arguments in favor of keeping the electoral college is as you put it, inertia and federalism. can you give me a sense of what you mean by that? >> kenosha is just, you know, pointy heads like me, we come up with good ideas, we think they're gonna be perfect but they're always contended consequences. symptoms unforeseen consequences. you change the, rules you change the game, you say what

are the unintended consequences, gee if i only know. if you change the rules it's possible that you'll end up with a worse system. now, one good counter to this is, well, states took pretty well for governors so the answer for why we should have the electoral college is somehow, be some sort of federalism, and the presidential election is the different than the governor's election. states are different than the federal government in certain ways. that's the federalism argument. here is one way to put. it and just one word. trump. do you want to trust the federal government to run a federal president, and national presidential election? because if trump has been in control of the national election about whether he was going to be chosen for another four years, he would have had to have a lot more power in a decentralized system, where he's leading on rafts and berger here, someone else in

georgia, someone they are in pennsylvania, why isn't that problem for governors? because governors actually don't have all executive power within states. they tend to have independently elected attorneys general, independent elected secretaries of state or election officials, whereas in federal government the president can fire the attorney general out. well so the different system. those are the best arguments for and against as i see them. >> after the 2000 election when bush won the -- theorized and effectively abolish the electoral college achieve, a popular vote system, without a constitutional amendment. this is known as the national popular vote interstate compact. you've announced that you think there are issues with this --

>> one other person at the same time was originating these ideas, robert dunaff he was a dean of the northwestern at the time. three of us came up with this idea. but here are some possible prompts within a state that is a little heretic to achieve might be complicated because supposed in general you might think this is a good thing and you need a national uniformity of standard, something we haven't had before. someone's me going to need to administer all that. it's gonna need to be some kind of national bureaucracy of a

certain sort, who is going to control that, would be the president? that would be dangerous and its own reelection, so there's some things that actually need to be worked out, and national interstate compact tries to do things without a constitutional amendment, that's the first point that you alluded to before but some states are gonna resistant suppose they actually refused to do a recount, suppose it's very overwhelming stewards. but the natural vote is really really close, and in order to get it right, some states say we're not going to do that. so there are these complexities, in any work around, truth be told, but the strong argument in wever is simply the basic idea that in america every vote should count equally. it's a compelling vision. >> it is a compelling vision and i appreciate the work that you and your brother and others have been doing on this. look ill good to see you again and thank you for spending time

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