we're coming on the air with several developing stories. new drama over documents and the weather wallop and the buckeye state. president biden will mark the mlk holiday staying mum on the classified documents although his white house is not. on the new revelations that have come to light, what our team is

learning after determining there are no visitor logs for the home in delaware. out west, the california weather may finally get a break sometime soon. but not before one last batch of storms moves out this afternoon. we've got a live report from the state now, under a major disaster declaration. plus, an nbc news exclusive, new reporting on one of next year's cril senate races and trying to unseat sherrod brown in ohio. i'm hallie jackson in aurkz. with me is monica alba, capitol hill correspondent ali vitali and former federal prosecutor and political legal affairs columnist rendo mariotti with us as well. the question is not taking questions from reporters on the documents. not all together surprising. but the white house is trying, to it feels, as you have new reporting on the president's mind set on all of this, flex the muscles and point the finger at house republicans to say why didn't you care when donald

trump did this and you care what is happening in a different situation with the president? >> absolutely, hallie. this is a white house that is trying to draw distinctions when it comes to the two very different cases and despite our best efforts, the president has not been answering reporters' questions for the last four days now. but we do know a little bit more about what he is expressing privately behind the scenes, he is incredibly frustrate weed are told, along with my colleagues, according to three sources, familiar with what the president has been talking about, in terms of their reaction to this classified document controversy. he is saying essentially that he has always tried to do things by the book and the fact that he has always tried to be above reproach ethically is coming into question and this moment can really undercut that for him, and he is also tracking some irritation at the way this was handled when the news broke. not because the white house disclosed it but because of media reports that forced them to confirm. >> it the president we're told essentially feels that the the questions were answered as quickly or as transparently as

possible, and that's because we're now learning, according to one of the president's personal attorneys they're arguing that while this investigation is ongoing, they have to be very careful and tread very lightly with what they can share. here is what we know so far, in terms of this new information we got over the weekend. the total number of recovered sensitive documents is unclear. and that's important to stress, because we know about these multiple batches, the fewer than a dozen documents that were located at the pennbiden center in washington, d.c., along with the other two sets of classified information, in his wilmington home. one in the garage, and the other in a room adjacent to that. and what was notable over the weekend is that we thought that third discovery was just one single page, but the white house lawyers have now amended that to say they found five additional pages, when an attorney with the proper security clearance went in there and reviewed it and handed that all over to the department of justice for a total of six pages. so that is where the white house is coming under all of this criticism for not being as trans

participant as possible, because they had to come forward with that information. when we knew about those two sets from again media reporting, even though the white house has been aware of some of this for the last couple of months. the last thing i'll point out here, now, hallie, the debate over potential visitor logs from the president's wilmington home. that's something house republicans are now calling for, but most modern presidents don't keep track of those, because they are personal homes. so the white house is instead firing back at house republicans in a new statement from a spokesman just out in the last hour, saying quote, house republicans have no credibility, their demands should be met with skepticism and they should face questions themselves about why they are politicizing this issue, and again, trying to make this very clear that there aren't as many parallels as some republicans are drawing between this case and that of former president trump, for whom 300 classified records are seized mar-a-lago by the fbi because he refused to hand them over for

months. >> that brings up something interesting, because i spoke with one republican, and i think monica is right to say some republicans, probably a lot of republicans, but not all, i spoke with one republican member who said it wasn't intellectually hospital for some of his colleagues to try to -- intellectually honest for some of his colleagues to try to create similarities with what happened with former president trump and president biden, and that said, other republicans said they will investigate this to the fullest extent possible and try to link this investigation to others and even some dem members are not happy including one who told me they are pretty pissed as amateur hour at the white house, and not the handling, not the issue itself, where democrats feel there are false equivalencies drawn, and the white house are saying, we're not talking to the reporters, with the d.o.j., that's not legally smart on their behalf when you read between the lines on the statement, and where does this go in congress? >> i think this is one of those stories that requires a lot of

nuance, and you're right, that there are some democrats who are upset with the way that the messaging has been handled out of the white house, some of them feem that they don't have enough to defend the current president on this, because of what has happened with the former president, because they were so critical of him having these documents, and of course, there are so many differences, monica just referenced the fact that we're talking about hundreds of documents, in the case of trump, versus just over a dozen or about a dozen in the case of president biden, and then of course, the idea that biden was cooperative, and in touch with the d.o.j., the former president of course obstructing officials from being able to get those documents back from the mar-a-lago home. but i do think that this is something that no matter what, the white house was prepared for this congress to be one of oversight and investigation, and they expected the subpoenas, and all of the requests to start flying, as soon as republicans took the gavel. they didn't expect it on this issue, of course. but nevertheless, they were prepared. what we're seeing now though, as

we look ahead to what it looks like when congress comes back into session, several of the letters that we've seen sent from chairs of various committees, from intel to oversight to judiciary, all of these requests have dates on them, some of them at the end of this month, so we could start seeing what this process looks like if they're not having the dates met on their request, do they move forward, do they start moving forward in all aggressive faction, and all is open-ended, especially when you look at the document issue specifically, we don't actually know which committee is going to be handling the investigation of it. it seems like, if you listen, chairman comer, would like that to be under the oversight committee, but it is also possible that this goes into the purview of jim jordan on that weaponization of government committee that they just created, too. so we're watching the jockeying play out here on capitol hill. as they press forward on this. >> ali vitali, monica alba, thank you very much. and let me bring new the conversation here. because as was laid out, based on the reporting that the team is doing, a lot of the reporting

suggests that president biden is laying out his frustration on staffers who he is concerned acted sloppily with those documents. do you think that there is where the d.o.j.'s focus is? it is on identifying who handled these document, how they got where this they were, et cetera, more than on president biden himself? >> well, i think there are two elements on the d.o.j. side. why is the national security assessment and part of it is who is going to be who had access to the document, not just over the last few weeks but over the last year, and these documents obviously, and then also, i think there is going to be some focus by the d.o.j. on why they ended their, ended up there in the first place. and by all accounts, it appears in this situation, their's an oversight by the president, but obviously, that is something that the d.o.j. is going to need to confirm for themselves. >> your latest piece, for "politico," you write that the biden, your argument is that the biden documents case is less

similar to that of president trump's and more similar, comparatively to hillary clinton's email, frankly. explain that. explain how you see the outcome playing out here. >> sure. look, the point was made very well by some of the reporters a moment ago, which is that in trump's case, it is really an issue where he actually purposely took these records, and the d.o.j. bent over backwards here, after he thumbs his nose at the national archives they sent him a letter, they sent him a grand jury subpoena, the head of the d.o.j. counter-intelligence said that they went and visited mar-a-lago and at the end of the day, what happened was that, you know, there was a search warrant that was executed at mar-a-lago to grab those documents, after he refused to produce them. that really implicates statutes like the willful retention of classified material, obstruction of justice, and totally different crimes, totally different factual scenario than the biden case, where it appears, based on what we know

now, to be an inadvertent mishandling of classified documents. that to me is a lot like the hillary clinton case. and both matters, i have to say, the initiation of the hillary clinton case, and here, i think the d.o.j. does not expect to have a chargeable case in the end. and part of the reason why they are initiating the investigation is so they can assure the public that they have looked into the matter and they're taking it seriously, which that's totally fine. in the end, i don't expect criminal charges here because the standard is so high under that statute, as was explained in the hillary clinton context, so i think there is a chance here that it is going to ultimately create an overblown frenzy in the way that it did in the hillary clinton case, that they could have a political implication that it doesn't on the other side. >> thank you very much for that explanation. for that perspective. appreciate it. good to have you on. let's talk about what is set to happen just three days from now. the u.s. is expected to hit the debt ceiling which would force the treasury department to take what it calls extraordinary

measures to try to get by for a little while. meaning like the real d-day if you will is not necessarily thursday. and it is going to come sometime we think late spring, early summer, you've got the treasury secretary janet yellen this week in switzerland with davos meeting with leaders across the world including the counterpart from china as everybody tries to keep the economies afloat, the heavy weight of the debt ceiling, keeping it afloat and janet yellen saying to do something by this summer to avoid catastrophic consequences and for the country not to pay off its debt and slip into default. we have more from clear simmons in switzerland and "new york times" federal reserve and economics reporter gina here as well. keir, let me start with you and how this trip plays into what janet yellen will say and the decisions she has to make between now and let's say june, july, august. >>. >> who would want to be janet

yellen? you don't become treasury secretary for fun. she has a lot on her plate. and you laid it out really well. messaging to republicans, as they, do as some fear, try to leverage this, to try to cut government spending, whether or not that is the plan, her warning is pretty clear about the debt ceiling, about the danger of the default in june if it plays out like it did back in 2011, and that's not all she's having to deal with. she is here, too, as you mentioned, to meet with the deputy premiere out of china. now, that i think is a glimmer of some more constructive talks between the u.s. and china, after that meeting between president biden and president xi. and then she heads to africa, to sub saharan africa and there, if you like it, is a bit more complicated than this, but you know, to try to sway african countries that they don't necessarily have to rely on china, the way perhaps china has been invested in recent years

and try to push away from the russian influence there, and this project by the biden administration to bring more american influence in africa, and say to the countries of the african continent, we are here for you, too. and that is amongst this very, very difficult economic picture. and don't forget as much as the economics are looking difficult here in the u.s. and europe, in africa, there are real worries about the debt there and the implications of many countries there. >> keir simmons, live for us near da vochld os. as we laid out here, it is not congress's problem, now congress' problem to try to fix. based on conversations with lawmakers, there is work being done and working on solutions, and what are the solutions that could satisfy the concern about let's not have a catastrophic default, right, but also conservatives who say they want to see a cap on spending here. what are the options facing congress? >> it's difficult to see what those options actually realistically are which is part of the reason why you see so

much concern from investors. and that we are going to get to the brink and potentially pass the brink of default in this instance. and you know, we heard from some of the conservative members of the house, chip white from texas is a great champ, that they are very willing to sort of take this down to the wire, in order to get concessions from democrats, including spending cuts in the future. we've also heard from the white house that they are not willing to negotiate on this, that they think no, no strings attached to the debt limit is necessary. we are headed for a collision course here. this is likely to be a very acrimonious process. and you hear a lot of concerns when you talk to investors, when you talk to people who are betting money on these things, that this could be a really dangerous showdown, the likes of which we haven't seen since 2011. >> that's right. like in a decade plus. so talk about the consequences, it's not just if we go over the cliff, right, if we go over the brink, it is even as we approach it, i mean that alone, having it go to the last minute could be

problematic and what you're talking about at congress, any congress, most lawmakers work best under deadlines or at least work functionally under deadline, right? waiting up until the last minute. we've seen that time and time again. >> yes, absolutely. and i think that one of the real challenges here is you just don't know what those deadlines actually look like. these deadlines move around a little bit. and you know, you see secretary yellen out saying that the earliest that we have exhausted extraordinary measures is june. you see a lot of wall street firms trying to guess when that exhaustion would actually happen but those guesses range, some people say july, some people say august, some people say each later, so that's where you introduce the opportunity for a mistake. it could be that people take this right up to the brink and push it a little bit too far and we actually end up in default. when i talk to analysts on wall street, that seems to be what people are really concerned about. not an intention default but an accidental one where we push it to the brink and end up pushing it a little bit too far.

>> thank you very much. appreciate you being on with us. coming up, here in the show, we are going to take you to ukraine where rescue workers are scrambling to find any or survivors after a deadly strike on an apartment building. president biden using his mlk day to try to take a victory lap for successes and make a bunch of promises. why this could be a preview of what's to come in 2024. first, california bracing for even more rain after another monstrous storm this weekend drenched the state. we have the forecast and the latest recovery push in 60 seconds. stay with us. we're back in a minute. nds. stay with us we're back in a minute k i changy mind about these glasses. yeah, it happens. that's why visionworks gives you 100 days to change your mind. it's simple. anything else i can help you with? like what? visionworks. see the difference. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything,

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hardest hit counties, three of them, you can see them there, parts of northern california, some saw more than 21 inches of snow in one day and bracing for even more today. officials thinking at this point that the prediction is that the severe weather has caused more than a billion in damage. i want to bring in now nbc news correspondent dana griffin live in california, and nbc news meteorologist bill karins. dana, let me start with you. talk about what you're seeing, the plans for recovery, while even as they're planning to recover, more rain is coming down. >> reporter: yes, right now, we've got a nice lull. we haven't seen any rain coming down right now, but you can see just some of the storm debris that has washed ashore here at capitola beach, we have the wharf to my left, a chunk is missing bought over weeks, there are such high waves that have knocked that chunk out, and actually part of it is now sitting inside the dining room of a nearby restaurant to the left of us. and you know, as far as the scope of the damage here, people are still trying to assess.

that we spoke with the director of the emergency management office in santa cruz, and he said that their focus was on making sure that people were going to be safe, as that rain kept coming down, and they're looking forward to things really drying out so that they can start the rebuilding process. we actually spoke to one of those business owners who talked about what the storm system has been like for them, and what he's looking forward to in the future. listen. >> we only got four or five inches of rain, so it was less than we expected. which was good. but it was also a six foot plus high tide. just kind of the one-two punch, everything was perfect, and unfortunately, we're not wiped off the map, we're still here, we took a beating and we will get back up and we're going to keep fighting. >> reporter: that's kind of the sentiment that we vr v-here in the region. people are looking forward to coming out of this much stronger. and the good news, kind of, sort of, is that this rain, all of this moisture, is actually

helping california in a sense, you know, we have been in a severe drought for years, and experts think that possibly half of that has been wiped away, as you can see here, the numbers here, now 46% under extreme drought and a lot of the reservoirs have been filled up and this is such a reprieve for a lot of communities that have desperately needed this water. >> dana griffin, thank you very much. bill karins, let me go to you and the expectation for what is ahead and the climate connection, too. >> this storm system, it has been responsible for what the active jet stream in the pacific has been steering one storm after another in california of the first one went through, the latest one went through early this morning. one more left as we go to the end of the week. then a significant break. the atmospheric river that was this morning, that brought heavy rain to los angeles and san diego is gone. now left with scattered showers. a pretty good snowstorm around lake tahoe and yosemite. as far as flooding goes, we shouldn't see anything too much worse than what has happened. a lot of rivers are cresting and

coming down. and we shouldn't have more reports of destruction this morning, a water rescue in san diego and a tree fall on someone at golden gate state park in san francisco. there are isolated concerns. now the storm system will head to the four corner region and this is a problem to the middle of the country. tuesday in the mountains with some snow. when we get to wednesday afternoon, denver is already under a winter storm warning, six to eight inches of snow and then this line of storms is going to roll through areas like little rock, shreveport, alexandria, severe weather possible in the deep south this. should not be a big tornadoes outbreak like we had on thursday of last week this. should be isolated tornadoes, and wind damage, through louisiana, and southern portions of arkansas, and also into mississippi, as we go through wednesday evening, and the snow portion of this storm, there is the winter storm warning, for denver, and eventually, the storm will move all the way through areas like omaha, to milwaukee, madison, green bay and right through the heart of the midwest and the central plains. and now hallie, we're through i

think by far, the worst of it on the west coast and after we get through thursday's storm, then we will be in the clear. >> i'm sure people will be thrilled to hear. that thank you very much. and still ahead, with one of the historic black neighborhoods in the south, hoping to make a comeback after decks, on this mlk day. and an nbc news exclusive, we will tell you about the first republican who plans to challenge a long-time ohio senator in a race that is going to be key to control of that chamber come any 24. stay with us. appreciate it so much. thank you. doors are new beginnings. -surprise! -surprise! your dedicated fidelity advisor can help you open those doors. for you, mama. through personalized money management that can evolve with new chapters. and they can proactively view your entire portfolio. with an eye on taxes and the impact of risk. so you can enjoy moments together. because doors were meant to be opened.

president biden spending his martin luther king jr. day here in washington with the national action network, the civil rights organization founded by the reverend al sharpton and president biden pointing to his accomplishments in the first two years in office with a focus on what it means for black americans. giving us the best look yet at what could be part of his play book for 2024. watch. >> the idea that we're supposed to remain silent on abuses of the past, as if they didn't occur, that's not being woke, that's being honest, that's talking about history. >> nbc news white house correspondent carol lee is joining us now from outside of the white house. carol, when you look at the landscape of what we saw in 2020, we know that voters in south carolina, primarily black voters in south carolina really worked to save president biden's campaign during the primary and

if that state is going to go the way people think it will go, it will lead off the primary calendar in 2024. how much is the white house looking at that and the lens that we're looking at as we look at what president biden says today and in the days to come. >> i think you hit the nail on the head. you can't watch what the president was saying today and not take away from that that is a speech and remarks that a president who is planning on potentially running for re-election would be giving. we heard the president talk about this moment in history, something that has been a theme for him, going back to that 2020 campaign saying that how things shape out in the next several years whether the country chooses democracy over autocracy and love over hate and walked through how he sees his first two years in office in terms of his accomplishments. specifically pointing to the low unemployment rate among black americans. the judicial nominations. specifically nominating the first black woman to the supreme court. and yet at the same time, you heard the president say, well,

look, we still have a lot more work to do. there are a number of things that we have out there that is unfinished business. take a listen. >> we have to get the votes in congress, the john lewis voting rights act and the freedom to vote and we can't expect obstacles in protecting the sacred right to vote period. we got to stands together. including protecting a woman's right to choose. we have to continue to fight for racial justice. i am going to get assault weapons banned. i did it once and i'm going to do it again. >> reporter: a little reality check here, those are all things that the president wasn't able to get done while having democratically controlled senate and a house, and that is not because they're easy, it is only going to get harder, and the chances of him accomplishing those things over the next two years with a republican house are really dim. and yet, what the president is trying to do here is say i did all of these things, including we talked a lot about student loan debt relief, and he is

making the case, that if voters stick with him, that he will try to at least give voice to and push for these other things that he wasn't able to accomplish in the first two years in office and very unlikely to be able to accomplish in the next two years. >> carol lee, outside of the washington, live for us there, thanks. and an nbc news exclusive out of ohio where a really important 2024 senate race is getting interesting, even now, even this early, and long time democratic senator sherrod brown, with the first republican challenger, and matt dolen who plans to launch another run for u.s. senate sometime this week, according to a voice mail obtained by nbc news and when dolan appears to make things officially official is still tbd. let's bring in reporter john allen. in the voice mail that dolan was left on the phone of a ohio gop official, expecting another crowded primary in 2024. what does that mean? what does that look like? and why does that matter? >> a great question, hallie.

our colleague henry gomez doing that first reporting there on this phone call. what it means is that there was this crowded primary that jd vance won in 2022, and on the republican side, dolan is the candidate who stood out for being anti-trump, his family that owns the cleveland guardian, very well known in the business community, in ohio. but he's expecting there to be a dog fight. so obviously, he is leaving the message early because he knows he will have to stack up his support and this is a tough place for both parties. sherrod brown has proved to be an exceptional campaigner over time but ohio is trending republican and has been for some time. so something is going to give her. >> let's pull back and look at the big picture. as we said, this is one of the most important senate races next cycle, this coming cycle, i guess. there are several other really important races. 34 senate seats are up in 2024. you can see them right here. give us your best political report impression and talk us through what you're looking at and where you're traveling to and what you will be focusing

on. >> sure, halle. a reason that it is very difficult to find somebody to run the senate campaign committee and they went back to gary peters are the senator from michigan and that is because the map looks really ugly for democrats today, and we've seen in the past elections don't go sometimes as they're expected to and i will look at montana where jon tester will be defending the seat that he won a couple of times, very republican area usually but tester has been able to hold that off and looking at michigan where debbie stan stab now is retiring and several members of congress who are looking to get in there, michigan, a competitive state, and looking at west virginia, where joe manchin hated by so many democrats for being too centrist in his own state, it is will be that he helped joe biden over the last couple of years to much. that is a race tightly contested, and whether or not the manchin wins, democrats have a better chance and they will be all over the map. one last thing, interesting to

see carol lee reporting on joe biden and al sharpton. four years ago at martin luther king day event that biden first talked to sharpton about running for president in 2020 and then four years later, back there with al sharpton on martin luther king day. >> thank you very much. here is something else that our team observed on capitol hill within the last couple of minutes. house speaker kevin mccarthy, there he is, talking with reporters on a couple of things, including the investigations into classified documents found at president biden's home and one-time washington office. here is what the speaker told our team and others. watch. >> you have witnesses, hearings? >> i think we will collect more data, more of the information, and all of the documents, and more out, there and i mean i know that the white house said it was all cleared up on thursday and now there's more document, i think there's a lot of questions that are continued to can raised and we want to get

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town, in the building, in his office not far from where we're sitting today, stopping by one of the cameras posted up on the hill speaking not just about president biden and his classified documents situation, but on congressman george santos as well. the republican of course who has acknowledged not telling the truth about where he worked, what he did, and many different things, before he was elected to office. take a listen to what the speaker just told us on capitol hill. watch. >> i always have a few questions about it. >> what about pretending to be the chief of staff. >> i don't know about that. it happened, and i know, it was corrected, i wasn't notified about that until a later date. >> i didn't know about it until a later date. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy there, let me bring back in ali vitali on capitol hill. interesting to hear the speaker to say that he always had a few questions about congressman santos. "the new york times" of course out with the investigation not long after the election laying

out all of the things that santos said and did that turned out not to be true here. there's some new, new things in dribs and drabs over the last 48, 72 hours that have happened as it related to santos who is still insisting he will not resign. >> and i think that's been consistent with the santos story, is every day or two, it feels like you get another piece of information, whether it's where his campaign funding might have come from or other lies about his bio that he told to voters that are now coming out as untrue. so when you see speaker mccarthy there say i always had a few questions, i think one of the natural questions that we might have for him and others in leadership are, okay, why did you have those questions, and why weren't they asked before this person started running, or even once they won, but before they were seated, i think one of the important things to keep in mind here about santos is even as he himself says, he is not going anywhere, he is doubling down, he says it is all in the hands of voters, even as many of our correspondents have gone to the district, and the voters sound really angry, because they

feel they have been duped, even though it seems like he's staying, one of the realities for the president conference now, is that even as they try to press forward, within the same press conference that mccarthy just held very impromptu, in the same breath as he is trying to be aggressive and go on offense against the biden administration, he is still going to get asked these questions about santos and have to be playing defense and it is push and pull over the next few weeks for republicans as it seems like we keep learning something new about santos every day. >> thank you very much. let's take you overseas where there are new concerns in ukraine today. with russia and belarus carrying out joint air force drills. remember, belarus, which is the northern neighbor of ukraine, was a launching pad for russia's ground invasion almost a year ago. it is a desperate search and rescue operation in the southeastern city of dnipro, 40 people killed when a russian missile hit an apartment building there over the weekend.

matt bradley has the latest from ukraine. >> reporter: it is our understanding that no people, no living people, have been removed from this wreckage by rescue workers for much of the past day. the last time we heard about that was yesterday, on sunday, but it sounds as though, from what we're hearing from rescue workers that they are really giving up hope of finding anyone alive in that horrific wreckage, and i think you're seeing on your screen right now. the fact is it was a real scramble, it was amazing that they were able to pull some people out alive, when you look at what happened there. now, this is apparently one of the deadliest strikes on civilians ever since this war began nearly 11 months ago. and it really just goes to show that russia has not ceased of targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, particularly electricity systems in that part of the area, rolling blackouts particularly here in kyiv, which has taken the brunt of a lot of these attacks. and now, the russian, we heard from the kremlin, they said they didn't launch the strike, they never strike civilian

residential buildings and things like that, they implied that this might have actually been the debris falling from a missile that was intercepted by ukrainian anti-missile systems, most of which are provided by the west, and now that's possible, but i've been around kyiv, and i've seen a lot of these debris that have fallen, when missiles are intercepted and they're really quite small. they don't do the kind of damage we saw in that apartment building in dnipro. that just doesn't seem likely. and the ukrainians have shot back and said this is a war crime and they know the perpetrators who did this. back to you. >> thanks, matt bradley fort reporting. as the nation celebrates the life of dr. martin luther king consider, we're looking forward to tomorrow's national day of healing and a huge push to try to heal an historically black community in louisiana torn apart by a highway system, next. (bridget vo) with thyroid eye disease... i hid from the camera.

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it is martin luther king day. and today, we're taking a closer look at historically black communities trying to rebuild. a new green infrastructure project in miami could transform its overtown neighborhood, once known as the harlem of the south until highway systems pushed out half the population in just ten years. officials there hope to turn it around. guad venegas is live in miami with that story. >> reporter: hi, hallie. this is a community in miami that has been through some tough decades, you know. it has been decks since the members of the community and private businesses have been working hard to change things around here but this new project, this huge green space, more than 30 acres, would really change things, and revitalize overtown, bringing what could be a bright future. when this woman was six, she swung from the branches of this banyan, the vibrant center.

>> we slept all night with the front doors open. no one locked doors. >> that is what she grew up with and now those stories are rare. >> a predominantly black community, known as the harlem of the south, that had a bustling downtown and night life, rapidly became a ghost town, largely because of a highway project. in 1955, president eisenhower signed the federal aid highway act. legislation would clear the way for the government to seize private property, for public works projects. >> it was '68, when they were getting ready to do the expressway, some people already saw the handwriting on the wall and they started moving out. it was very bad. i don't know how else to tell you except it was very bad. >> reporter: during the 1960s, overtown lost more than half its population, and a third of its businesses. overtown was sacrificed for what the government determined was

necessary progress. decades later, an expansion to the highway that still looms above the neighborhood brings new hope to this historical part of town. >> there's a lot going on here, to explore. >> part of the under-deck's executive committee, this group is working to create a green spice under the construction of the new expressway, a $39 billion investment to build the new urban land scape. >> it's going to be light and airy and it's going to be full of landscaping and trees and greens. lots of green. we're going to have bike trails. we will have walking trails. we'll have art and culture. >> a new use for an area overlooked for decades. >> i've experienced some pain walking under the underpass when it was dark, gloomy, and walking as a child.

our committee is working extremely hard to prevent negative experiences that have happened in this community under these underpasses. >> if approved, funding from the federal government could secure half of the money needed. it would come from the a millio dollar grant allocating funds to projects that reconnect communities torn apart by federal infrastructure across the country. derek co-owns the red roosterless raunlt which has been working hard to revitalize the history of the 1940s and '50s. >> there was a time that people would flock here. they had to get to overtown familiarly for night life. then we were cut off. so, ■g■úthis is an opportunity reconnect, to not just folks to flow out, but folks to flow in in a very wholistic way. >> reporter: a new hope and a bright future for overtown no longer overlooked.

and the committee in charge of this project has finished a report that includes insight from members of the community. that went to the city of miami. they're still going to vote on this to keep moving forward. very important to have that insight. now, they're also now calling this is underdeck, but the committee says they plan to rename it so they're asking for members of the community to suggest any name they'd like to have on this greenspace as it keeps moving forward to maybe one day begin the actual building of this now. i should say that the freeway that's being built and expanded still has three more years left for it to be finished. it will be after that they would begin building that greenspace. >> live for us in that community, thank you so much for that. we've seen more stories like this across the south. like in new orleans, in a neighborhood you've probably heard of called treme. the birthplace of jazz. a place that was also the victim

of highway projects. it became one of hundreds targeted intentionally to make way for those roads, but now, the day before the seventh annual national day of healing, that community has a lot of home about what comes next. tremain lee is live with a closer look. talk about what's being done here, what tomorrow is going to look like for treme. >> reporter: well, hallie, in the big picture, the billion dollar question is, what do you do with all of this concrete? what some lcals call the monster. many years ago, this was lush and green with oak trees and black businesses, but not unlike other communities all across the country, this historic black community was targeted by the highway system, shredded to pieces and ripped apart. so, with this billion dollars, the question is, what do do? there are plans put forth by the state, which would include tearing down some of the off-ramps. there are other plans by

community members who say, you don't need to tear it down, put money into beautifying it. but all of this is looking forward to some sort of healing. people in this community have dealt with the wait of what this symbolizes for very long. this is one one of these folks had to say. take a listen. >> let's see how much we can get done that make this community feel like they've been cared about and some -- attempt to do some racial healing here. >> reporter: that is the question. attempt at some racial healing. now tomorrow, we will have this town hall where we have conversation just like this, where we are under no impression we're going to heal the issue with race in america, but people in this community have been willing to be open about the pain that's been caused, especially to a community that's given so much to america. treme, given so much jazz and

cerole food, so much culture. now it's like, can we find a way to move toward together? >> so, what's the mood of people that you're talking to? is it optimism, this idea of too little too late, do they want to see more? how does that work? >> reporter: you know, it's kind of a blend. i wouldn't use the word optimism, because folks have dealt with so much in terms of, you know, the burdens of all the failures heaped upon their shoulders. but folks do see this as an opportunity to do something. and unlike in the 1960s when this went up and the black community had very little saw in where the highway went and what happened to the communities, d. now they see an opportunity to raise their voices and actually have some say or play some role in determines what happens to this community. so, folks aren't necessarily optimistic, but they do see this as an opportunity. >> tremain lee, thank you so much for that. you can catch more of his reporting on msnbc's town hall

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it's 4:00 on the east. on this day, when our country celebrates dr. martin luther king jr., the human embodiment of the very best of what our country stands for when it is at its best, on this day of all day, it is impossible to ignore what is fast becoming arguably the worst of what the disgraced ex-president's party now stands for today. we are talking, of course, about george santos. the newly minted republican congressman from new york, his professional resume, his education, even teeny tiny little details of his personal life have turned out to be either little white lies or outright pathological falsehoods in the last 72 hours, there has been a breathtaking avalanche of new reporting on the house of cards that is george santos' public life. where to begin? well, there is his secret resume unearthed by reporters at "the new york times" that reads like a detailed road map of his lies,