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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the white house on defense as republican house members escalate their demands about those classified documents found at president biden's former office and home. biden officials try to contain the damage. [ many speaking at once ] still not answering questions. the battle over the debt ceiling. opening rounds in what could become a global economic meltdown if the u.s. fails to pay its debts. republican congressman george santos' mysterious background now includes possible ties to wealthy russians, adding to the legal and ethical questions swirling around the freshman as calls for him to resign mount. we will talk to one of the

reporters on the case. good day. i'm andra mitchell in washington. the white house is not answering questions about the classified documents from mr. biden's tenure as vice president now that a special council has been appointed to investigate. it's a gift for the new house republican majority. trying to ignore that donald trump remains under investigation also by a special counsel for hundreds, more classified documents he refused to turn over, prompting a court approved search of his mar-a-lago home. joining me, kristin welker, ben rhodes, jeff mason and barbara mcquade. the president refusing to answer

questions about whether he would talk to the special counsel if an interview is requested. the president and his advisers not talking about. that isn't making this any less of a political problem for the white house. >> it isn't. it isn't making the questions go away. we are keeping track. this is the fifth straight day president biden ignored questions about this matter has been has been looming over his administration. the latest flashpoint is that republicans are asking for the visitor logs from the president's delaware home, one of two locations where classified documents were discovered. both the secret service and the white house counsel's office saying we don't have you those logs. we don't independently maintain our own visitor logs because it's a private residence. this is a growing problem for the administration. the president is frustrated based on conversations with sources familiar with his

thinking, in part, because he sees this as a moment where his administration could draw a sharp distinction between him and his predecessor for all the reasons you laid out, the two matters are different. they are both under investigation by a special counsel, but the white house argues there are key differences both in terms of the volume of classified documents and also, of course, former president trump was asked to give those documents back and his home was searched by the fbi. the president feels as though that is getting missed in all of this. a growing political problem as the president inches closer to potentially announcing another run for office. >> barbara, let's talk about the law, not the politics, for a moment. can that really be separated, even though we know that the attorney general says it is, does this make it harder to indict donald trump for obstruction or other possible crimes involved with keeping the classified documents for more

than a year, not turning them over, his lawyer not being forthcoming on an affidavit? does that make it harder? >> legally, no. i think that prosecutors compare cases with similarities and differences all the time. sometimes there is the presence of criminal intent in the same kind of business transaction as another, and prosecutors are able to keep the two separate in their heads and charge those that have criminal aspects and decline charges in other cases. you raise a good point about the way this legal issue has become intertwined in ppolitics. it's very important for whoever charges this case to be able to distinguish the two cases. one of the things prosecutors have to think about is litigation risk. if you file criminal charges, you want to believe there's a high likelihood you can sustain a conviction. if there's public skepticism about the charge, then that risk goes up exponentially.

i think a way to distinguish the two cases revolves around the idea of obstruction of justice. it appears that there may be evidence that donald trump obstructed justice when he failed to comply with the subpoena and lied by saying that all documents had been returned when there were more than 20 boxes in his basement at mar-a-lago. that's different from the case of joe biden who retained classified materials but gave them up as soon as he discovered them, it appears, and did not make any effort to obstruct the investigation. that's where the cases differ. that's where prosecutors would make the difference in the legal case. i think in the case -- in the court of public opinion. >> barbara, let me follow up with you for a moment. could there be a very big distinction if -- this is a big if. if from witnesses they have any evidence that donald trump actually took -- was involved in taking some of the classified documents, choosing what he wanted, for instance, the letter from kim jong-un, rather than

what is being projected as least -- we don't know this, but from joe biden saying he was surprised and they seemingly are trying to create a defense that it was actually the people who packed him and not anything that he was aware of. >> the facts matter. that's why investigations occur, to find out what you can about how these documents ended up where they did in the first place. if they are swept up in the chaos of packaging at the end of an administration for either of the two men, then i think the fact that they have boxes in their homes probably is not enough for a crime. if, as you say, the facts are different, that donald trump hand picked certain documents that he wanted to keep after he was president, after he no longer had a legal right to those things, then that brings with it a level of willfulness that's one of the aggravating factors prosecutors look to when making a decision. >> politics are inescapable. the new house majority are having a field day, demanding logs, even though other president's homes are considered

private and they don't have logs. they seem to be trying to imply something about hunter biden having been at the house. >> yeah. i think that's probably the biggest political weakness here. the differences between the legal aspect and the political aspect. the political aspect leaves a lot of vulnerabilities for this president and for the white house, because it feeds into or gives republicans an opportunity to talk about conspiracies, to list, to raise questions, to lift up some of the things dogging president biden for a long time that may have nothing do with these documents. but because they are not answering some of the questions or aren't able to forvacuum. >> ben, you dealt with the chaos at the end of an administration, and eight years with president obama, and people packing things. you have dealt with classified documents every day. could you give us some insights into how these things can get mixed in with other pieces of

paper when those of us outside have thought they were tracked individually, go into burn bags or are only read in scifs. >> well, i remember packing up my office. i think i was at the white house until 5:00 in the morning a couple days before the inauguration. the reality is, these documents are well marked. that's why they are well marked. there are cover sheets. every sheet is stamped with a classification level. for me, it was a matter of dumping those documents in burn bags. it's trickier for a president or vice president who have far more documents in their offices, in their residences, than i did as a white house official. clearly, what happened here is something went wrong in the process of packing up those documents. documents got co-located. it could have been at any time. it might have happened months before things were packed up. a memo gets put in the wrong place. the important thing to keep in mind in terms of the differences here is the integrity of the classification system.

you want to send a message to people to take this seriously, to not take stuff where they shouldn't be, to not take documents that are meant to be in secure facilities outside of those secure facilities. i think president trump ignoring a request for returning these documents was essentially challenging the basis of that system. the rules don't need to apply to me. with president biden, clearly there was a mistake made. but the instinct was to say, i respect the integrity of the system. i'm going to give this back. clearly, mistakes were made in the packing up of the offices. >> barbara, i want to switch gears to ask you also to focus on the arrest in connection to recent shootings at the homes of new mexico democratic elected officials with a suspect in custody and the probable motivation as an election loss and election denial. >> reporter: police arrested this man on monday, describing him as an unsuccessful

legislative candidate. >> he had complaints about his election. he felt it was rigged. he approached all of the commissioners and senators at their home with paperwork claiming they were -- there was fraud. >> reporter: in november, pena lost his race for state representative decisively. in his last tweet, posted nearly a week after the election, he expresses his support for former president donald trump while writing, i never conceded. now researching my options. now police are accusing him of conspireing with and paying four other men to shoot at the homes of two county commissioners in and two state legislators. >> after the election in november, pena reached out and contracted someone for an amount of cash money to commit at least two of these shootings. >> reporter: on january 3rd, the date of the last reported shooting, police say pena joined the men attempting to fire at one of the homes himself. the weapon he used had malfunctioned. that morning, less than an hour later, police confiscated

weapons from a vehicle registered to pena. >> the evidence we have is not only firearm but it's from cellphones and electronic records. >> barbara, legally, how serious could these charges be against mr. pena? >> very serious. firing shots into someone's home is a level of recklessness that risks death, whether they intended to hit anybody and kill them or simply to intimidate someone or send a message or punish someone for not rewarding them the way they wanted to be. even if he believed he was acting in the interest of justice, because he was robbed of a rightful election, this is not the way that people are supposed to redress their wrongs. we have court systems. we have other things. taking the law into one's own hands is a very serious crime. it would be important to prosecute a case like this to send a message that this type of political violence has no place in a democracy. evidence matters. facts matter.

so we will see if they are able to support this with a case that is successful at trial. if so, it's incredibly important to deter other people who might get similar ideas. >> briefly, ben, isn't this the logical extension of the trump election denialism? he agreed with that position publically. >> absolutely. this shows how dangerous it is for people who should know better to normalize election denialism. in the mind of a wrong individual, this can turn to violence quickly. when you hear the rhetoric from trump, it's violent about being robbed, the system rigged. it gets darker when you get into qanon territory. i think this is a warning sign of what we could see more of if this kind of big lie election denialism continues to characterize american politics. someone will get hurt. >> ben, a warning. thanks to all of you. follow the money. what we are learning about

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freshman congressman george santos is being linked to possible ties to a russian oligarch. links between santos and the cousin of a russian oligarch sanctioned by the u.s. fec filings show an investor and his wife donated the maximum allowed amount, $11,600, to the santos campaign. the investor put hundreds of thousands of dollars into harbor city capital, a florida firm that employed santos before he ran for office, a firm the sec has accused of running a ponzi scheme in 2021. this as the fec is looking into

possible campaign finance violations. santos has not explained how he went from few personal resources to donating $700,000 to his campaign war chest two years later. candidates can donate unlimited amounts to their campaigns. but there are limits on other contributions and foreign nationals are never permitted to donate money to u.s. campaigns. santos denied any wrongdoing. neither responded to nbc or "the washington post" for comment. santos denies doing anything unethical. joining us now is isaac stanley becker, one of the reporters behind this story, who investigated this, and ryan nobles. isaac, first of all, this connection, the russian connection, is really startling. i think he was also quoted -- he was on camera saying he goes to moscow frequently and you can make a lot of money there. this raises all kinds of red flags. >> that's right. i was struck by that footage as well.

we're trying to separate fact from fiction with this person. there's a web of lies surrounding him. we're looking at the facts. we're trying to understand what are the financial forces behind this person, the financial figures behind this person? that's why this benefactor of his is so important. >> did he ever explain where he got the money to put $700,000 into his campaign? >> he has explained very little. we know in 2020, when he was first a candidate, he reported a salary of $55,000. two years later, multiple millions. he is loaning his campaign $700,000. he says he was employed by a family company with no public facing profile, no record of clients. so what we're trying to figure out, who were his clients? who was he working for? where is he getting this money? >> the moscow connection, we have that on tape. >> you show up with $100. you get 6,000 rubles. you can do a lot with 6,000 --

i've been to moscow many times during my career. you stay at the st. regis on red square, right off red square, next to the museum, the most expensive shopping mall in the world. >> ryan nobles, george santos says he has been to moscow many times. that's a gettable fact. the feds can check that. we don't know what's fact and what's fiction with him. why doesn't this create a bigger problem for house republicans? >> it has created a big problem for them. they have such a slim majority. only four seats. if they were to force george santos to resign, to encourage him to resign, it would leave an open seat that would go to a special election. the seat would likely be open for as long as three months, perhaps longer, before the special election could take place. then you would have a competitive race in which democrats would have an equal shot, perhaps a better shot of

taking that seat back. for kevin mccarthy's perspective, having santos' vote is more valuable to him, even with the baggage that comes with it. we have seen a small number of house republicans, many of them george santos' fellow republican freshmen from new york, who have called on him to resign. santos has doubled down and said there's no way he is going to resign. he knows that it would take a lot more to actually forcibly remove him from his seat. he is not going anywhere. there's nothing kevin mccarthy is going to do to encourage him to do anything but stay in that seat for as long as possible. >> i understand the politics and the reasons why with such a small majority he wants every vote. i don't know how you defend it when you have someone who is not only a fraud on paper, in terms of the resume, but with these very serious questions about the campaign and the russia connection. isaac, george santos' former

roommate spoke to cnn earlier. let's watch that. >> the biggest thing that i took away from it was just delusions of grandeur. he would go to bars with rolls of hundred dollar bills and three days later he would have no money. >> you knew him through another name, right? the last name -- >> yes. i have known him as anthony davolder. >> that was a name he used. he used his middle name and his mother's maiden name. what do we know about this russian oligarch who has been sanctioned by the u.s., is close to putin? >> what we know is that this is a cousin. the russian oligarch runs his company.

the other has a u.s.-based company. there are deep ties between these companies. as recently as 2018, when he was sanctioned by the u.s., they confirmed the russian conglomerate was his largest client. they are deeply enmeshed. >> more to come. ryan, i know you are on the case and, isaac. high stakes with the debt limit looming. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. drea mitchell reports." this is msnbc.

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and former congressman david jolly. what's possible demands the house republicans may be presenting in the coming days as both sides are sort of shaping the battle? >> first, the stakes are enormous. if the u.s. does default, we could look at everything from a recession and a stock market crash, failure to pay bills from everything from the pentagon to social security payments. it could be catastrophic worldwide. house republicans, newly empowered by this majority, are making a potpourri of demands. this is led by the same group of lawmakers who forced concessions out of speaker kevin mccarthy in order to give him the job. you see these on the screen. they want everything from dollar for dollar spending cuts, a ten-year balanced budget, mandatory spending cuts, that includes medicare and social

security, and government funding at fiscal 2022 level, erasing a deal to raise domestic spending and pentagon spending. kevin mccarthy has not put out a specific list of demands. he has not flushed it out. he endorsed this push by the hardliners. he spoke about this after he compared the u.s. government to a child with a credit card limit that needs to be decreased. >> we are six months away, approximately. what i would like do is sit down with all the leaders, especially the president, and have a discussion. i think it's a sign of arrogance if you say he wouldn't discuss it. i don't see why you would continue the past behavior. who wants to put the nation in some type of threat at the last minute? nobody wants to do that. let's change our behavior now. >> the white house's position

is, no negotiations. no concessions simply for paying bills. >> is it clear as to whether or not kevin mccarthy already conceded this to these conservatives or hard right conservatives to get their votes for speakership? there was reporting this is one of the deals he made. >> we know there's an abstract concession by speaker mccarthy to some of the hardliners he won't advance a debt limit bill cleanly, without conservative measures to bring down long-term spending. what the specifics of that was is hard to say. republicans are not getting specific about that. they are not detailing what, if anything, he promised them. he has given them assurances he will not do what the white house and senate democrats say they want, which is simply raise the debt limit and negotiate policy separately. the white house, president biden and senate democrats are willing to negotiate on the budget.

>> donna edwards, you have been through this before. we have seen it before. it has come close to crisis. the u.s. government never defaulted. what they are demanding are budget cuts on future appropriations. this is paying the debts that have been incurred. >> these things are not connected, as you describe. i think kevin mccarthy has an important decision here, whether he is going to be the leader of the far right or he is going to fail the nation. those are really the choices here. as you said, it's about paying the bills. amazingly, republicans ran up huge debt during the trump administration, and republicans simply raised the debt ceiling. but now you have a president in the white house who is a democrat and republicans have taken another stance. in 2011 when they did this -- and i was in congress at the time -- it cost taxpayers, just

the threat of default, cost taxpayers $1.3 billion and caused a downgrade to our credit rating. this is about paying the obligations we already have. that should be separate from a budget discussion. >> david jolly, this is a big test for kevin mccarthy. it seems as though he is siding with the hard right. >> yeah. first, let's put kevin mccarthy's convictions in context. that sound we had from him. roughly, 25% of the nation's debt over the last 220 years was incurred during the four years of the trump administration, through historic spending and tax cuts. for him to suggest somehow now we need to throttle back on spending or taxes or whatever it is, let's keep that in context, a bit of hypocrisy. kevin mccarthy does face a test of one of his promises to his hard right caucus. i would suggest it's a test he is likely going to fail. i would suspect the first vote that they craft might keep all

republicans together. that first vote is not going to be the final deal. kevin mccarthy ultimately is going to have to concede to hakeem jeffries, probably for votes and chuck schumer and joe biden. the question is, can he survive that politically? the other question is, do we see a break of maybe a dozen republicans who say, i'm not willing to rattle world markets? i know those republicans are in the caucus. do they have the courage to confront kevin over this? one of the questions we will see. >> we have seen this before, susan, with newt gingrich and other republican speakers and showdowns with democratic presidents. >> yeah. we have seen showdowns over the debt ceiling and over spending bills. we have seen how damaing they can be politically. terribly damaging for newt gingrich when he forced a shutdown during the clinton administration. big risks for republicans here. a test for speaker mccarthy, not just in his ability to negotiate with president biden, but his

ability to negotiate with his own caucus. do they hold together? what do democrats do? there are some maneuvers they can do. but it's cumbersome. >> thanks to all of you. brittney griner made a surprise appearance at the martin luther king junior march. posing for pictures with fans who were excited to see the wnba star in person. the first time since her release from russian -- a russian president on. griner was there with her wife. she said she's happy to be home. that is certainly understandable. the state of terror. nearly a year after the russian invasion of ukraine, should russia be labeled a terrorist state by the u.s.? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." that's next on msnbc. hell repor" that's next on msnbc t this ♪

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more than 45 people have been killed, including six children, during the weekend attack in an apartment building in ukraine. this is one of the deadliest attacks on civilian targets since the war began almost a year ago. the sister of one of the victims posting on instagram that her sister, who is deaf, was rescued. but they are still looking for her 1-year-old son and her husband. joining us now is raf sanchez. ukraine's president is calling this a war crime. bring us up to date. >> reporter: yeah, president zelenskyy saying he wants to see both the russian soldiers who fired the missile but also the commanders who gave them the order dragged in front of an international war crimes tribunal. as we have spoken about, it's likely to be a very long time, if ever before russian officials face any kind of criminal court. the british military intelligence is saying, the

missile fired at this civilian apartment building is designed to kill aircraft carriers. that is how large this weapon is. in the last couple of hours, ukrainian emergency teams have suspended search and rescue operations at that site. they have concluded that after three days under the rubble, especially in the freezing temperatures here in ukraine, it is no longer likely that anyone is still alive there. as you said, the death toll is at 45 people dead, including six children. you mentioned that mother who, her family says, is deaf. who would not have been able to call out to rescuers. her family are saying, it does appear her 1-year-old son is among the dead. their family has become a symbol of this tragedy. their image posted on social media all over ukraine.

ukrainian officials are saying, this is a very stark reminder of why they need those advanced american patriot missiles to defend civilians from russian strikes. that's a message they have been echoing to american officials who have been fanned out across the region over the last couple of days. we had wendy sherman, the deputy secretary of state, here in kyiv last night. >> raf sanchez, thank you very much. joining us now is the ambassador and chairman of the munich security con convenience. it's nice to meet you virtually. thank you for joining us. we are seeing these disastrous pictures, horror stories from dnipro. ukraine's president calling this a war crime. how do you think the west -- the allies can push for accountability at this year's security conference? a year into this war.

>> andra you call it a war crime, it is a war crime. putin is violating international law. the u.n. charter, human rights, geneva convention. it's not permitted to hit civilian targets. this is ruthless, what putin is doing. accountability is free. at the munich security conference, which will take place from 15 to 17 of february, almost one year after this breach of civilization of putin, we will have accountability on the agenda to see how can we make not only the officers responsible for the commanding there but also the highest lead of the country, president, foreign minister, how can we make them accountable? it's not that easy. but there are ways to achieve that.

this is what we will discuss at munich. >> there are calls already for the russian federation to be designated as a state sponsor of terror by the u.s. i understand fully the reasons for wanting to preserve some ability to have diplomacy down the road, some end game here. what do you think of that approach? >> yes, i mean, on substance i agree, this is terrorism, what putin is doing. 15 million people have lost their home, had to flee, tens of thousands dead. you saw the image of putin responsible for killing a 1-year-old. this is terrorism. as long as you want to maintain efforts -- diplomatic efforts, i would refrain from officially calling this country a terrorist state. because then you cannot negotiate with terrorists.

again, we have to try again and again. is there a diplomatic way out? unfortunately, putin has shut the down so far. the only message he understands is a message of strength. i understand when president zelenskyy asks the u.s., asks european countries, my country germany to support it. >> i know the nenlnetherlands announced patriot missiles are coming. the brits are sending tanks. they are the first to do that. poland wants to send tanks. zelenskyy is pleading for long-range artillery. the tanks will make a big difference. should the u.s. reconsider its objection to -- its resistance to some of the other weapons systems given what might be down the road with a russian spring offensive? >> i don't want to give any

advice to the u.s. government. i want to recognize that the u.s. has been the number one supporter of ukraine. and i think without the u.s., we don't know where putin would stand with his troops right now. i look at my country, at europe and i think we have to step up to the plate. we have been supplying -- germany is supplying a patriot system. we have already supplied -- we are supplying light tanks. with regard to this so-called leopard tank, these are german-made, which are used by several countries in europe. i think we should do this together, consortium of european countries that provide these tanks to president zelenskyy, to ukraine, who is asking for it. we have to do it together, yes. >> munich has always been the foremost security conference, not just for europe but for the world, really, as a gathering of leaders. we know it's been bipartisan

always. john mccain was a big supporter along with joe biden, of course. what would be your message to house republicans who are talking about not providing a blank check to ukraine and to european parliaments as well about the need for the alliance to be strong? >> we have to stay together. in the past we had always bipartisan delegations. we had lindsey graham, who has been a staunch supporter of ukraine. i hope he will again provide this leadership in the republican party that republican republican and democratic party, that we keep bipartisan support in the u.s. and support ukraine with the means that this country needs to defend itself against russia. we must not forget the ukrainians are defending our

security. they fight for european countries. they fight also for the united states and what the united states stands for as leader of the countries that defend a rules-based order as the president underlined at the u.n. general assembly. we have to stay together. i really hope that this bipartisan support in the u.s. will remain. >> ambassador, it's nice to meet you virtually. i hope to see you in person in munich. we look forward to the conference. thank you so much. >> looking forward to seeing you. thanks for having me. >> absolutely. the national day of racial healing. the day after dr. martin luther king junior's birthday, msnbc is holding a town hall tonight. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. watca mitchell reports" on msnbc d min.

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msnbc is hosting a town hall tonight called the national day of racial healing, live from new orleans. they are tackling the rise of hate speech. joining us now is tremaine lee. this national day of national healing was launched in 2017 as a way to foster conversations. what are you hoping to achieve tonight? >> reporter: it has become a cliche in america, in a time of any racial tumult, we turn to conversation. we live in different worlds that people have to come to come tog conversations because we live such separate experiences ps there are wounds that remain unhealed. we're here in new orleans, where an interstate was rammed through

an historic black community. it symbolizes a form of infrastructural racism that tore apart a prosperous neighborhood that folks are still trying to heal from. and unless we reveal those incidents throughout our history, we have no chance of healing. i have been talking to folks about what this interstate has meant and what the destruction of this community has meant. let's take a listen. >> people back then didn't have politicians or that clout to fight for more. i'm not saying people didn't fight. i believe they fought. i believe they didn't want things to happen. but during them days, we would have been segregated, we would have been what more could they do? what why can't we open up and stand for what we believe in? >> reporter: when we think about the past, we think of some kind of black and white photo of

images of civil rights moments, but folks are living before the interstate and the pride they had. they are still liing with that today. >> when we see also the issues of voting rights, the president rations yesterday and his sermon on sunday and his speech yesterday, very low key consideration the promises they made a year ago. >> that's certainly true. folks are always waiting for america to deliver on its promises. and politicians, whether they democrats or republicans, trying to play to a certain settingment of society, promise a lot. and black folks have been waiting hundreds of years. and noefrls is a great example of why we're having that conversation here. so the question remains, does america love black people as much as they love the products

of our culture. folks are tired of the talk. but these opportunities allows us in good faith to come together and expose the wounds to hope to maybe heal them one day. >> tremaine, thank you so much. a reminder that my colleagues will be hosting that town hall live from new orleans at 10:00 eastern here at msnbc and streaming on peacock. and before we go, we want to say good-bye and thank you to one of the most enduring members of the nbc news team. there's no one like kerry sanders. we have a look back at his incredible adventures. ♪♪ >> reporter: kerry sanders crisscrossed the planet at warp speed. but on earth, he was our every

man. n ego. no fear. >> i'm not looking down. >> he was just a guy asking the questions we would have asked. >> did you know this he purchased these weapons? >> no, i wish i did know. >> oh, how he went there. >> this is where that garbage winds up. much of it plastic. >> one day trekking to the far reaches of the globe and the next -- >> there's more than just cattle. there's a big cat. >> reporter: discovering magic in our own backwards. >> we're headed out to the western cut. >> how do you feel when you see this plastic? >> it's standing on her head. >> reporter: he introduced us to the most wonderful humans. >> it's eerie to be here. >> uh-uh feel their presence right now. >> you feel like a young rooster. >> reporter: characters we'd never forget.

>> are we ready? >> reporter: and in the field, it was always why don't we or i've got it and what if i hang from a cliff. broadcast underwater, he pushed the envelope keeping us all glued. >> we have a baby dolphin here that has washed awe shore. >> reporter: if he was an opera sing, had would hit a high c before belting out a base note. >> students are being urged. >> incredibly anxious moments. >> reporter: always on top of breaking news. >> this is the third tornado that he has survived at this address. >> he weathered over 100 named storms. >> the military rulers here. >> reporter: holding his ground during political turmoil. >> fighting heart fierce twr two days. >> reporter: then there was everything in between. >> the pizza guy is here.

>> reporter: for three decades, day after day, up with the sun and with us after dark, we often wondered when he slept. kerry simply never said no. there was too much to discover, too many people to meet, too much to tell. >> one thing that's apparent. just a kid at start, he joined in 1991, but never lost that eatingerness, heart and curiosity. from his first to his last live shot, it was always clear he loved every minute of it. >> reporter: i have already won the jackpot in life. >> thank you for a job well done. >> for today, kerry sanders, nbc news. >> from me and so many others here, this is personal. there's no one and never will be anybody like you. your eagerness and love of life and this is not good-bye. this is just we'll see you soon. somewhere else, somewhere around

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