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new reporting, pushing the white house for answers, an nbc news exclusive. house committee's becoming more clear this afternoon. up first, the biden administration on defense over how the president handled classified documents. we'll tell you what the press secretary is saying just as we were coming on the air with our team at the white house and doj standing by live. also this hour, some new reporting you will only see here out of new mexico with the targets of that shooting spree are telling us after the arrest of a losing republican candidate. plus, kevin mccarthy saying the gop is going to be finished doling out committee assignments today. new details on where hard line conservatives and election deniers are landing including the controversial member the speaker confirms will be seated
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somewhere. with me now is kelly o'donnell and justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian. we're about to see the president soon at this event for the golden state warriors. we'll see if he takes any questions. we know it's probably unlikely in this setting, but we know something interesting from the white house. not just this news briefing, but this press call on pushback. on the way the white house has handled the documents, which seemed clearly indicated at trying to tell democratic allies, listen, we're on this. we're on top of it and we're handling it. talk us through it. >> certainly the white house is feeling like it's on defense and part of what they're trying to do so respond is a two-pronged strategy. having the white house press secretary, the face of the white house in terms of public communication, speaks for the president, does a daily televised briefing, and yet she is referring questions on these matters to the white house council's office, which is tra
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tishlly one of the most least publicly facing departments within the executive branch that you'll ever see. they represent the presidency on legal matters. they don't talk publicly much except on paper that is go through a court process. they have a spokesperson working with them now in part in anticipation for what has happened. a republican-led house committee that will do oversight and republican-led you know, speaker mccarthy, who will oversee what will be probably a lot of scrutiny from house republicans on all matter of things that will come in the political realm. so the white house counsel would typically respond to those things when there's any kind of oversight from another branch of government. so the white house counsel's office held a press call using zoom like so many of our viewers do with their workplace calls where reporters were able to ask questions.
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the real issue is there was limited information coming back to us. the official who was handling that talked about the tension there is between wanting to be transparent and yet they want to make certain they don't interfere with what is now the special counsel investigation and department of justice process. to give you a taste of how that played out in the regular press briefing, there were still a number of questions to pierre and she did not want to answer those and that created another round of tension. here's a sampling of that from just a short time ago. >> i have been forthcoming in this podium. what i said yes to is the statement that you all had. you had the statement and i was repeating what the counsel was sharing at that time. we are being very, very careful and very mindful and to not interfere here and to make sure, to make sure the department of
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justice has their independence. >> so part of the frustration is the information has come out in bits and pieces. and sometimes the political axioms get it all out front. put all of the bad news out quickly then allow for whatever fallout to happen. here, this white house is not doing that. the information about classified information being found in places it does not belong came out in separate installments. we don't yet know if there is anymore to be had or if ongoing searches are taking place. we have a lot of questions they are not answering because they say this ongoing investigation, which is a real thing, is playing out. so it creates that tension of where does the line for transparency and where does the line for letting events play out really take place. this is not going to end anytime soon. those questions will be persistent. >> that is for sure. kelly, thank you. let's see if we can pull up
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another graphic. look at that second one. the idea of tension between making information public while respecting this ongoing doj and special counsel investigation. that one's interesting, right? especially because obviously we know there is a special counsel looking into this. notoriously tight lipped special counsel's area. when might we hear more from the doj about the progress and the process as this plays out here? are we talking weeks, months? do we know? >> we don't know. that's the thing about this. i'm glad you asked this question. the justice department is not going to speak until formally on the record until the special counsel files a record from the attorney general. that could be weeks from now. months from now. it will be at the end of the investigation, but it's important to stress here that despite what the white house is saying, there is no rule, no law, there is no policy that says that you can't talk and disclose things when you're being investigated by the justice department. it's a strategy.
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they shouldn't suggest they're protecting the integrity of the investigation which is the term that white house official used. it's no skin off the justice department if the -- about who handled these documents, when they were handled, whether joe biden has a memory of seeing them. they are perfectly capable and it's fine for them to talk about that stuff. it shouldn't interfere with the justice department investigation. not talking is a strategy that corporations and you know, criminals frankly, adopt when they are under federal investigation in order they don't say things that get them in trouble. but people work for the taxpayers and his aides do are free to answer questions that are relevant to their conduct in office and it doesn't have anything to do with the investigation. so really, as kelly said,
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there's an old axiom in crisis communication, lanny davis who used to work for the clinton administration, mentioned it again today. tell it early, often, tell it yourself. doing the opposite of that. >> ken dilanian, the white house fiercely pushing back on that news. ken, thank you very much. kelly, great to see you. more to come as they say and more here with some nbc news exclusive reporting. the suspected master mind behind a series of shootings targeting democratic lawmakers near albuquerque, new mexico, turns out we learned he visited the homes of some of those officials weeks before the attacks according to authorities and some of those targeted officials themselves. we're talking about a supporter of former president trump now in police custody. he lost his state house race in november. a defeat he says was the result of election fraud. we have just heard from the new mexico secretary of state who says there was no fraud in that state's election. that these claims are false.
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it was a 50-point landslide loss and police say that might have been the motivation for these attacks which happened at the homes and businesses of four state politicians. here's what one of those lawmakers told katy tur not too long ago. >> he also came to my front door after elections, pretty aggressive. i didn't feel threatened necessarily at the time, but he was speaking a little erratic and pretty aggressive. >> i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake and vaughn hillyard. we knew this suspect had been arrest. we knew he had according to police is accused of basically paying for other people to target the homes of these state and local officials in new mexico. what is new is that for someover these officials, he tracked them down at their homes and confronted them in person as you heard that county commissioner lay out. she describes having been in her home hours before it was shot
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up. she was with her grand kid. talk us through what we're learning and where this goes. >> he was a convicted felon. police say he was the master mind of a conspiracy to shoot up these four homes. all of it they say is because he was angry over what he believed was a stolen election. former republican candidate is behind bars in new mexico for a string of shootings targeting the homes of democratic officials. >> they were orchestrated and dangerous attacks not only to these individuals, but also to democracy. >> police arrested pena on monday, describing him as an unsuccessful legislative candidate. >> felt it was rigged so he approached them at their home. >> back in november, pena lost his race for state representative decisively.
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in his last tweet posted nearly a week after the election, he expresses his support for former president donald trump while wroting quote, i never conceded. now researching my options. now police are accusing him of paying four other men. >> after the election in november, pena reached out and contacted someone for an amount of cash money to commit at least two of these shootings. >> on january 3rd, the date of the last reported shooting, police say pena joined the men attempting to fire at one of the homes himself, but the weapon malfunctioned. this morning, less than an hour later, police confiscated the weapon. the driver was also arrested. >> the other thing we have is not only firearm, but it's also from cell phones and electronic records. surveillance video and multiple witnesses. >> over the course of a month,
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police say four homes were damaged. two sprayed with more than a dozen shots. >> this is a threat to tour nation and has made it way to our doorstep right here in albuquerque. >> and the arrest warrant which was made public this afternoon shows just how close this case came to being potentially a homicide case. not just one involving an attempted assault as the charges lay out here. one of it have victims here says in the middle of the night, her 10-year-old daughter came into her room saying she felt something on her face like a spider and felt like there was sand on her bed. the next morning, the mother realized there were bullet holes in our daughter's bedroom wall and the sand she felt was the dry wall in her daughter's bed. just incredibly lucky this wasn't so much worse. >> and incredibly disturbing it's even an issue. vaughn, that's what i want to go to you on.
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we know this zoom out a bit. take the lens and pull it back. this is coming at a time of increasing concern about political violence. we know that threats against members of congress are spiking. something like 9,000 plus in the past year. up 400% since 2016. we know experts say there's been an uptick in these issues. there's a broader context that this attack fits into. >> i was talking to your executive producer, david, just this afternoon about this. it's the idea that folks aren't living in an alternate reality. when you're talking about this particular individual, pena, he lost 74% and 26% in his election. about 5500 votes to 2,000. then you go back to august, it was after the raid of mar-a-lago in those hours after you saw a man go with a gun attack offices
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in cincinnati. you're talking about folks taking their distrust of government and turning it into political violence. when you look at over just the past year, the acts we have seen. we saw the attack on paul pelosi. you saw the stabbing attempt of lee zeldin, who was running for governor of new york. you saw the armed men threatening justice kavanaugh and you saw in the lead up to january 6th, 2021, online conversations existing about taking that distrust and those frustrations with government, largely propagated by donald trump's conspiracy theories. more than 800 defendants who have been charged by the department of justice for attacking the capitol of the united states. i was having a conversation with michael beschloss about this. we may not see a civil war, he said, in america anytime in our near future, but what you will see are these outbreaks of violence and what you see over
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these last months is exactly that. this was an individual who had lost in a landslide but what you saw was go and take deliberate actions to individuals to shoot up the homes of four public officials. four individuals who won their elections, something this than did not do and instead of going back and running for office again, this man tried to take physical violence and tried to use that as a source of finding that option for him to find as the alternative path forward. >> vaughn, thank you very much for that. garrett, thanks to you and your reporting. >> m coing up on the show, we've got new info out of the "washington post" on some big details of january 6 committee declined to include in its report. the post reporter will join us live. but first, house republicans wrapping up committee assignments today. george santos, he's going to get
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instead of talentless people from all over my house. we are just two days away from the u.s. basically maxing out its debt. it's going to last for months between congressional republican, democrats and the white house on how to avoid some kind of financial disaster. what would that look like? a crash of the stock market. a potential recession. sky high interest rates or skier higher than they already are on everything from home buying to car leases. maybe the dollar getting weaker. potential credit downgrade that could hurt our borrowing power. to avoid it, you've got both the republican-controlled house and democrat majority senate that will have to come to an agreement, not easy. the deadline's coming as house republicans are tackling the first thing on the plate. staffing up their various
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committees. the steering committee. the only group at work on the hill today. the rest of the congress is on recess but the steering committee is doing its thing saying that work is nearly done and even the most controversial members of congress are going to get committee spots. t committee. >> yeah, we'll be done with -- >> speculation riding high on what the assignments are because perhaps it gives a look into what speaker mccarthy promised. what he said he would do in order to get the title of speaker. i want to bring in now nbc news senior national reporter. talk to me about what we're learning about any of the negotiating that mccarthy did. >> we know the house ultra conservative holdouts has
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demanded more we can see members getting assignments, whether it's financial services question, ways and means. let's talk about three house republicans who have been a focal point in terms of being controversial. there is congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. paul gosar. those two were thrown off their committees in the last two years by the democratic-controlled congress. they will get committee assignments back. we can confirm that greene will be on the committee on homeland security. that's a coveted spot. it oversees immigration. there's gosar, he's going to be back on national resources then there's george santos. he's a mystery. mccarthy said he will get committee assignments, just not clear which ones. he will not be on a committee. unlikely want to trust him with intelligence and defense secrets given he lied about fabricated
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so much of his resume. we should know what committees by the end of the day. the white house sees an opportunity here to kind of twist the knife politically. let's put up a statement from the white house spokesman saying quote, what other hidden bargains did mccarthy make behind closed doors for the most extreme members? he continues to american people have a right to know now which is why we're making every one public, end quote. >> thank you very much. right now, we're following a new update on what the january 6th select committee apparently left out of its investigation. "the washington post" now reporting that the committee learned a lot about how social media companies failed to stop extremism spreading online. but they didn't keep those key findings out about powerful tech companies or republicans. i want to bring in "the
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washington post" tech policy reporter. thank you for being on. you're reporting that committee leaders did not include this information on social media in the final report because of what's described as a reluctance to get at the root of extremism and the risks of a public battle with these powerful tech companies. tell us more. >> that's right. there was a report from cheney to keep the report focused on donald trump and a real reluctance to dig deeper into the other roots of extremism beyond donald trump. >> you're also reporting the committee had a 122-page memo full of evidence. what was in it? >> there was a 122-page memo that detailed how about 15 different tech companies posted
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content relating to the violence on january 6th. one thing that really focused in on was twitter and basically depositions that the committee did where employees talked about how former president trump got special treatment on the platform and that memo talked about how that narrative and the evidence they found is really counter to some of the accusations we've heard from the republican party that these tech companies are censoring their political views. the other thing we learned was that the staffers wrote many of the conditions they identified online in the lead up to january 6th still persist to this day. that finding particularly takes on some significance right now as elon musk owns twitter and is restoring many of the accounts that were suspended after the attacks and as facebook is weighing whether or not to let former president trump back on the site. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. still ahead, we'll take you
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out west where people across california are ramping up the recovery push after major storms. president biden getting ready to see the damage for himself. plus, elon musk may have to pay up billions of dollars for tweeting after a big group of tesla investors filed a lawsuit against him. what our team is hearing from inside the courtroom. that's next. hearing from inside the courtroom that's next. for helping me out. of course. you can easily get helpful customer service over the phone or on the progressive app pretty much anywhere. like at the coffee shop, at the park, or on the moon. just kidding. it's another coffee shop. you ok, man? the internet is telling me a million different ways i should be trading. look! what's up my trade dogs? you should be listening to me. you want to be rich like me? you want to trust me on this one. [inaudible] wow! yeah! it's time to take control of your investing education. cut through the noise with best-in-class education resources that match your preferred style of learning.
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but the owner tells us she can't wait because they have to be up and running for spring break. this is going to take weeks if not months. these businesses were battered by the wind and waves and they were closed for weeks and are trying to make up for lost time. we met another business owner. he walked us through to show the damage. take a look. >> this was our deck when you walked in and this got blown up and was out in the middle of the street. that's how hard the waves hit. this floor got lifted at least a foot and you can see the beams are coming right on up and the entire thing is going to have to get taken out. >> so this is one of the business owners who is waiting to get some federal help. he was a little frustrated because he didn't know where to start. he's like what do we do? no one's really told us anything. with president biden coming to california, we don't know yet where he's going to stop, but
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there's a good chance he could stop here. they are waiting to get new information and we found out from state, the state management company that, not the state management company, but emergency management office here, they are telling business owners if you need help, go to disaster assistance.gov and hopefully after the president visits, we'll know how much funding the state is going to get and how much business openers are going to recoup. >> thank you very much. more legal troubles for elon musk today as jury selection begins in his securities fraud trial in san francisco. musk is facing billions of dollars in damages from tesla investors. in a civil trial, stemming from a bunch of tweets from 2018 in which musk said he got the funding to take the electric car maker private at $420 a share.
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tesla stock went way up after that comment. jumped 10% in a day. if you remember, it actually stopped trading. when it became clear the funding thr the kind of a deal wasn't secured, tesla share price seesawed for weeks. investors sued. caused them to lose a bunch of money. cnbc tech reporter is joining us now. thanks for being with us. we know musk and tesla have settled a fraud charge with the sec over these tweets. paid something like $40 million here. what does this civil trial mean and what else are we finding out today? >> we're hearing from the court that there's struggle to select jurors because musk's team thinks the jurors are biased against him after he's laid off employees and there's some stress about jury selection, but if the judge and jury decide that musk and tesla made
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material misstatements and that shareholders definitely relied, they will have to decide what kind of damages he and the company have to pay to make investors whole. it's not likely to break the bank for them, but the decision could be appealed and i doubt it will end with this trial. what's at stake, his reputation and his standing with the sec. if he loses, the sec, the financial regulators are going to feel very vindicated. and if he wins and he is very motivated to try to clear his name and paint the sec as the overreaching bullies who have infringed on his free speech rights. he will feel vindicated. it's complicated because tesla has designated his twitter account as an official shareholder communication channel. >> which means what he says on twitter, the other company he's now running, it matters.
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in davos, switzerland, a moment that's getting a lot of attention. >> we still don't agree on getting rid of the filibuster. >> correct. >> okay. this agreement, they're still not going to do anything about the filibuster comes as lawmakers are making the case for more in ukraine. this is the first time it's happened in a few years since the pandemic, but it's in the swiss alps, rather glitzy. a lot of people from around the world who are considered elite showed up. a private lunch for ceos, billionaires and officials. chris coons tells cnbc about the billions of dollars in financial, humanitarian help the u.s. is giving to ukraine. the war in ukraine taking center stage with the ukrainian first
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lady asking global leaders to do more to help as the invasion approaches its one-year mark. keir simons is in switzerland for us and just today, we know the lawmakers were talking an t financial help for ukraine in a panel at davos. here's a little bit of what they said t. >> it's unending. we're going to stay with ukraine until they're victorious. >> the brutality of the war in ukraine. the violence of it. it's very imperial natured. has not just brought together our allies, but mobilized americans. >> i want to thank the ukrainian people for their hard fighting. >> the conversation, lawmakers helping ukraine. what else are they doing in switzerland? why does it matter? what is the tangible impact? >> the message is being echoed by european leaders, but the reality is that there is
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friction beneath the surface. just a couple of examples. france and germany pretty fed up by what they see as the u.s. protecting u.s. jobs in the inflation reduction act. many say that's a good thing, but this is causing tension. another example, sweden and finland. their ascension to nato. so far not ratified by hungary or turkey. so there is work to do. meanwhile of course, president putin is watching and waiting and wondering whether he can outlast the unity you heard the senator mention. the congressional delegation talking about in those sound bites. >> live in switzerland. thank you very much. with world leaders meeting in davos to talk about this, the top u.s. general is on the ground in ukraine. general mark millie meeting with his counterpart today. let's bring in raf sanchez who
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is in kyiv. talk us through it. the general being there ahead of the joint chiefs. talk about what we know on the search and rescue operation that authorities say they are wrapping up now. >> reporter: so just starting there, rescue teams have made a grim determination. they are saying three days on from saturday's strike, they no longer believe anyone is still alive under the rubble of what used to be that apartment building. so they have suspended search and rescue operations. the death toll is at 46 people including six children. it is one of the bloodiest strikes on civilians in this entire war so far. president zelenskyy is calling it a war crime and i want to tell you about just one family who was in that building. you're seeing the mother on your screen right now. that is katya. she's 27 years old. she is deaf according to her
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family, so she was not able to hear rescuers searching for her. the fact that they found her is almost miraculous, but tonight, we're learning her husband and son were killed in that strike and this family have become just an absolute symbol of mourning here in ukraine. their image is posted all over social media and ukrainian officials say their deaths, the deaths of the other 40 something people in that building, are a very stark reminder of how desperately they need those advanced american air defense systems to try to protect ukrainian civilians and that is a big part of why we are seeing american officials fanning out all over the region. as you said, chairman of the joint chiefs met face-to-face with the first time with his ukrainian counterpart, the head of ukrainian military. these are two men who have spoken many, many times over the course of this war.
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this is the first time they are meeting face-to-face. we also had deputy secretary of state wendy sherman here in kyiv yesterday. she was meeting with officials in zelenskyy's office and the message repeatedly from ukraine has been they need weapons now ahead of a future potential russian offensive. >> raf sanchez live in kyiv. thank you very much. still ahead, the 2022 nba champion, steph curry and coach kerr joining us live after their big appearance at the white house. we'll take you live to the north lawn with those superstars coming up in just a minute. supes coming up in just a minute
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around. we talked to people on the ground here, it is about acknowledging the wrongs of the past and then working towards healing or remedy. they are the being ways in which they've been racist institutionally. in new orleans in the 1960s, a big interstate project went through the heart of tremayne that destroyed the community, an a real sense of community divided. i talked to folks about that moment and this bigger idea of healing, they had this to say. check it out. >> america and new orleans particular has a habit of just ignoring african american community and we need to turn the page on that. you know. or else you'll be back in the situation again with another issue. >> turning the page if not we'll be back in that same situation. now certainly there are big conversations about reparations
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and healing the economic disposition blacks have faced. there are also ways in which communities can heal and hopefully in good faith finding a way to move forward. so tonight we'll have those conversations with stake holders in this community about what moving forward means. we're under no impression that an hour of programming will solve these issues. >> what's the one thing you most hope to get across tonight? >> i think honesty. we strive for that in the media. try to tell these stories with a true reflection of what our experiences have been. so if tonight folks who have been unaware of the realities, we live in a segregation is illegal, we live really in different universes sometimes, black folks, white folks, hispanic people in general. if we can have a moment of shared honesty, good faith and open conversation, i think that's a win.
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we're at least laying the seeds there and that's a win. >> trymaine lee, thanks so much. msnbc's special town hall for the national day of racial healing tonight at 10:00 eastern right here on msnbc. one of italy's most notorious mafia bosses is in custody after a health issue forced him to come out of hiding and seek treatment. kelly cobiella has details on how officials tracked him down. >> reporter: hiding in plain sight, matteo messina denaro led out of a medical clinic under arrest as people cheered. the 60-year-old alleged leader of the infamous sicilian crime group cosa nostra eluded police for three decades. italy's prime minister calling it a hard blow to organized crime. he was tried, convicted and
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hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. you don't need to read the paper or watch the news every day to understand that there's a sickness in our country right now brought on by a highly combustible blend of extremism, election denialism and skpur tore yal thinking. police in albuquerque, new mexico, yesterday made an arrest in a previously mysterious string of shootings targeting the homes of state and local democratic leaders. that man in handcuffs is the one accused of being to quote police the mastermind behind those attacks. distressing enough until you realize exactly who he is. that man's name is solomon pena. he is a failed candidate for new mexico's statehouse. to be specific, he's a failed republican candidate described as a gushing supporter of donald trump by local media and an
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election denier by police. a person who might have been motivated by anger over nonexistent fraud in his landslide november loss. pena stands accused of conspiring with and paying four men to carry out four shootings at albuquerque area homes of two county commissioners and two state legislators. among his alleged targets, homes belonging to officials with whom pena met after his election loss in his attempts to overturn the results. quite thankfully, no one was hurt but that does little to ease the shock. one of the bullets flew through a 10-year-old girl's bedroom. here's albuquerque's mayor after the arrest. >> this situation today i think obviously points out that the shootings were orchestrated, they were dangerous attacks not only to these individuals, which is personally the most terrifying for them, but fundamentally also to democracy. that is why this is so terrible. this type of radicalism is a threat to our nation and

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