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i would hope that republicans and democrats could come together to take on the greed of the pharmaceutical industry who, in some cases, are charging us ten times more for the same exact drugs as sold in canada and other countries. i would also hope that while i know we are not going to pass on the medicare for all system, which i would like to see, at least maybe we could expand primary health care all over this country, so that every american could get to a doctor when he or she needs to do that. >> all right, senator bernie sanders, thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. >> that is all in on this tuesday night. like i said, i will see all of you in exactly one hour, when -- tremaine lee and i host the national day of racial healing town hall from right here in your lungs. 10 pm eastern on msnbc, as >> i'm so excited that you are doing this.
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and i know that it is in good hands given the you, joy and tremaine have all done on the topic of race and the division in this country. so we're all looking forward to that here in new york. >> thanks a lot. me too. and thanks for joining us. as the january 6 committee rushed to finish its work and close up shop over the holidays, we were practically inundated with releases of the material. there was the final report of over 800 pages, and then thousands of pages of deposition transcripts, court documents and exhibits from the committee's hearings. and dozens of videos. hard to believe that there was anything the committee did not release. and yet today we learned that there was something. today the "washington post" published this draft memo prepare by a team of committee staffers known as team purple. and the team apparently hoped that their 100 plus page memo
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would be adapted in a chapter in the final report.decided to leave most of it on the cutting room floor. among team purple's moth damning findings, was that social media platforms like twitter and facebook bent their own rules to allow donald trump and others, people who were stop the steal proponents, to continue spreading election disinformation because they feared blowback from conservatives. executives failed to heed warnings from their own employees about the ways that election denialism was likely to about ploed into real life violence on january 6. "rolling stone" reports that specialist at twitter who tried and failed in the run-up to january 6 to get her bosses to clamp down on the posts to incite violence, she wrote this the day before the attack, "when people are shooting each other in the streets tomorrow i'll try to rest in the knowledge that we
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try." because while the january 6 attack may have seemed to most americans to come out of nowhere, the people at tech companies whose job it was to be on the lookout for threats, they saw it coming a mile away. they watched as election disinformation became widespread election denialism among his supporters which turned to extreme rhetoric about things like taking our country back which turned to code and not so coded calls for violence. and then we got january 6. but the team purple investigators for the january 6 committee made clear the capital attack was not the end of the cycle. this is from their draft memo. "recent events demonstrate that nothing about america's stormy political climate or the role of social media within it as fundamentally changed since january 6. following lawful fbi search of mar-a-lago, both mainstream
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platforms and sites where extremists plotted to assault the capitol were aboil with violent speech. and an armed man threatened the fbi building in cincinnati, ohio reporting that he was present at the capitol riot. until the rhetoric is diminished, the threat of political violence will persist." and sure enough, now we appear to be seeing it again. this time in new mexico. back in august, the santa fe new mexico flagged the notable history of a seat that pena had been convicted of 19 feloies and spent almost seven years in prison for a burglary ring. naturally after getting out he figured the next move that made sense was to run for political office as a super only
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26% of the vote, he announced that just like donald trump, he was not conceding his race. he was researching h where he disputed his election loss with them. one democratic county commissioner say that pena came to her house right after the november election and he was at my door and he was aggressive. he was an election denier. and another county commissioner had a similar experience with pena, "this guy came to my home, i was very concerned and it was unsettling, he was angry with losing the election, he felt the election was unfair and untrue. both of those commissioners called the police but did not give the visits much more thought. that is until the shooting started. pena has now been arrested on charges that he orchestrated a spree of shootings targeting those homes, a state senator and new statehouse speaker, all democrats. no with an was hurt in the shootings, but that was apparently not for lack of
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trying. in the criminal complaint against pena, police provide the account of a confidential witness who participated in some of the shootings and is cooperating with authorities. this witness said pena didn't like that he men he hired to shoot the democratic official homes, that they were firing at the houses so late at night and they were aiming above the windows. pena wanted them to aim lower and commit the shootings earlier in the evening to have a better chance of hitting people inside. pena personally participated in the fourth and final shooting to ensure that it was carried out that way. it was during that shooting that county commissioners sleeping 10-year-old daughter was covered in sheet rock dust dislodged by bullets passing through her bed room. today the new mexico legislature opened its new session with a new house speaker whose home was riddled with bullets last month. this may be the first time that election denialism has escalated to violence in the state of new
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mexico. but like so many other places all over the united states, election denialism has caused plenty of other problems in the state over the last couple of years. republican commissioners in one county spent weeks refusing to certify the results over fake claims. and finally had to be forced to certify. secretary of state herself had to go into hiding the previous year because of online threats. and as new mexico's top elections official, she has a pivotal role as her state heads towards 2024. and that is all because election denialism and its violence repercussions do not seem to be going anywhere. joining us now is new mexico secretary of state maggie oliver. thanks so much for being with us tonight. and i just want to first get your reaction to the pena news
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and understand what it is like for democratic lawmakers in the state of new mexico and how you are feeling tonight. >> thank you for having me. i'm grateful to be here to talk about this topic. and tonight i'm feeling and i know my colleagues especially my colleagues who experienced actual bullets through their house s are feeling released at the actions of the state police here in new mexico. but for me as somebody who has been on the front lines of dealing with threats and now we're seeing actual ab acts of violence against election officials particularly as a result of election denialism and the lies and misinformation that
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has pervaded our population the last couple of year, i'm deeply concerned because really we can see a through line now from the rhetoric that was leading up to the 2020 election all the way through december late in the year of 2022. and we're not just talking about violence now, we're seeing it actually happen. >> i think a lot of people think because there wasn't a january 6th style insurrection following the midterm elections that somehow we've gotten to a better place. but i wonder what the view on that is from the state level. you can talk about how you see the threat to democracy as it plays out in the state of new mexico? >> my colleagues and i, and it is not just democrats, it is people of both party, independents, who work in elections for a living, we were all saying, wow, this election, it has been a lot calmer, a lot
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less chaotic, a lot less stressful. but we all are waiting for the other shoe to drop so to speak. we know that the pervasive sentiments that have been created by rhetoric of the big lie have not gone away and we know there are still a lot of people out there who genuinely believe that the election was stolen and who also believe that the only way to deal with political conflict is to address it through violence. and this just reiterates what i have said and what my colleagues have said since 2020. the rhetoric has to stop. because it is not just a political tactic anymore. it is creating actual violence in our communities, it is affecting human beings and
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threatening their safety. >> so what did you do short of saying don't put my 10-year-old daughter's life in danger. we talked about talking about team purple and they detail with great specificity the radicalizing force of social media. how do you combat that as a state level elections official? what recourse or resources do you have? >> first we have to push back on the lies. and we've been doing that very strongly and forcefully over the last couple of years. but next step is to take legislative action to ensure justice for those not only just contemplating but obviously for those who are carrying out these actions in real life. work of the january 6 committee i think was a great example. and the prosecutions and successful convictions that we
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have seen in federal court, particularly one individual in my state who was a public office holder who was then removed from office for having participated in the insurrection, it can't just happen at the national level, at the state level when we see this type of violent behavior as we've seen in my state. i'm grateful to local law enforcement, but the next step is to hold these individuals who are responsible accountable and to prosecution them to the fullest extent of the law. and working with the legislature in my state and across the country, other states, we need to take proactive action legislatively to make very clear that it is a very serious crime to just even to threaten the lives and well-being of elected officials across the country. >> the other thing i worry about, beyond the very urgent safety issues, it must have a chilling effect in terms of who volunteers to want to be a part of this system, to be an elected official or being secretary of
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state. how do you grapple with this, why do you still do a job that has forced you into hiding? obviously it is important for the function of democracy, but you're a person too and i'm sure that you have to worry about the safety of your own safety and of that your loved ones. how do you make that choice? >> it is such a good question. i ran for a second full term in new mexico last year fully knowing the potential threats that i was going to subject myself to. and i had to think about it very hard. this is not a job that i do for my own mental health and well-being. and there are potentially very serious threats to my life and my family's life. but that is the reality of justice and the right to vote in democracy in this country. i am not part of a cohort that is facing this for the first time. so many people in our nation's history have had to face threats to their lives.
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so many people in our nation's history have had to face threats to their lives and quite frankly, have lost their lives. for the fight for democracy in this country. so, i am not any different. i'm just willing to do the work. and i'm willing to fight and to speak out and to do everything i can do to protect myself in light of the threats. and that is exactly what we need, again on both sides of the aisle, and independents and everyone who we need to come together to run our nations democracy to make sure that it is healthy and that it thrives, it is that willingness to say yes, we acknowledge there is risk. but so many people have come before us to do the same. >> wow. we are also deeply grateful for everything you are doing to keep democracy of the united states on track. i'm sorry that you have to make the decisions and the calculations that you do. new mexico secretary of state maggie oliver, thank so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> that was part one of a bigger conversation about the state of
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maga republicanism today and its relationship to election denialism and drifting and violence on both sides of the halls of power. part two is about election deniers and drifters in congress. just as conspiracy mongering congressman marjorie taylor greene today lands implement simon on the homeland security committee. but what committee did serial fabricated george santos get? all those details are next. and coming up later, new reporting that the justice department's considerable ultimately decided against having fbi agents monitor president biden's advisers as they conducted their search for classified documents at his delaware home. how does it all factor in the calculations of merrick garland? i will be joined on set by former justice department prosecutor who just wrote a lengthy profile of the attorney general. all of that is just ahead. some wishes do come true. they'll never know. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage- go with the general.
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college, volleyball player, about being jewish, about his work history and then of course there are his really questionable financials. santos lent his campaign a whopping $700,000 and questions are swirling around the potential serious campaign finance violations. the latest revelation comes from the washington post. which reports quote new details linked short santos to cousin of sanction russian oligarch. the post reports that the russian businessman reportedly put quote, hundreds of thousands of dollars in his one-time employer, harbor city. which was accused by regulators of running a ponzi scheme. and yet today, george santos, who by the way voted 15 times to elect kevin mccarthy's house speaker, today george santos was rewarded with seat on both the small business committee and the science and technology committee. kevin mccarthy who is purely we could have a a speaker made multiple concessions to get the speakers got fouled. and many we still do not know
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about. today, in dueling out when he assignments, three congressman who really literally led the charges against him mccarthy, matt gaetz, andy bates and chip roy, they have all gained seats on the powerful judiciary committee. and scott perry secured a seat on the foreign affairs committee. and mccarthy awarded three of the extreme republicans powerful committee seats. two of those people were previously kicked off people in the last congress. extremists and conspiracy theorist marjorie taylor greene who is calling for the execution of democratic leaders and stripped of her committee assignments due to her dangerous rhetoric, today marjorie taylor greene got not one but two seats on two of the most powerful committees in congress. the homeland security committee and the oversight committee. and paul gosart, he also got a
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coveted seat on the powerful oversight committee. and then there is congressman who referred to democratic ilhan omar as a member of the jihad squad. lauren boebert also got a seat on the oversight committee which is the -- with which the gop is planning to use -- with which the gop is planning to go after the biden administration with numerous politically motivated investigations. kevin mccarthy made a number of concessions to secure the votes to become speaker. we do not know all of them. what seems clear is that hardliners in his party have been appeased. and that could be catastrophic
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for both americans and democracy. joining us now is senior political reporter. and good to see you. thanks for being here. a lot of choices were made on capitol hill today. what is the reaction of republicans who were not in the most extreme wing of the republican party to the -- the selection of lauren boebert, marjorie taylor greene, paul gosar, scott perry for the plumb assignments? >> there were a lot of very important choices made. of the 20 holdouts who dealt kevin mccarthy 14 humiliating defeats on the floor of the house of representatives before ultimately electing him speaker, all have gotten committee assignments that range from good to great. there are several who were freshmen, first term members who have gotten committee assignments on the homeland security committee, and i texted
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a mainstream republican and the reaction was a screaming face emoji. throughout this process, there was a lot of anger from more moderate mainstream republicans at the fact that 10% of the most right wing republicans were in their view holding the other 90% hostage. and there was always this insistence that there were no committees promised. it was never like i need you to put me on this committee or i won't vote for you, but we know that the members told me and other reporters that one of the things that they demanded was what they called conservative representation on committees. what they meant is membership of the far right freedom caucus on these plumb committee assignments. it appears that they got that, alex. >> riddle me this. kevin mccarthy agreed to a one vote threshold to oust him as speaker. so the far right seems to be winning this hand, but does not a certain amount of political capital lie with the nonmaga-ish
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wing of the party? do this enough, with enough, you know, conspiracy theorist fear mongering anti-vax republicans and the more, and i'll put it in quotes, mainstream wing of the party could revolt. any talk of mccarthy losing support this early in the game? >> not at this moment. and this is going to be one of the most important gut check questions for the moderate wing of the republican party. are they willing to respond in kind and say speaker mccarthy, if you give these people too much of what they want, if you side with 10% of the most hard right members, then you will have a problem on the moderate mainstream wing. we've seen over the last 12 years that i've covered the house republican caucus that conservative members, most conservative members, they flex power. they are willing to tolerate a high level of chaos on the floor of the chamber to get what what they want. moderate members don't have the same willingness to flex their
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muscle, to use the equivalent of brute force that we're seeing from the ultra conservatives. that will be a big problem when it comes to governing, when it comes to funding the government, when it comes to lifting the debt ceiling. because a lot of what these members will do on these committees is write legislation that can never pass the senate, that can never get signed in to law by president biden setting aside of course the oversight function which is are also very important, but there are important matters of governing which have very serious consequences. >> okay, moderate wing, use your power wisely i guess. thanks for your time. joining us now, mark leibovich, author of "thank you for your servitude." great to see you. perhaps you as a wise man in washington can tell me -- you know, the moderate wing of the gop is not content or perhaps
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bold enough to use the power that they have to keep the hard line conservative, you know, extremists in line. and my question to you as someone who studied the sort of republican class of politicians in washington, why is that? kevin mccarthy holds the gavel by one vote. one naysayer could oust him as speaker. why not use your power. >> and they have the majority of four votes. and there is a fairly high number of mainstream moderate, whatever you want to call them, republicans whoen are a and won in districts that biden whoen are a and won in 2020. so they are clearly vulnerable to some kind of re-election battle.
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which turns out he was because all people who were sort of holding his, holding him over the neck of the capitol, were awarded big committee assignments this week. and ultimately, these moderates, or whatever you want to call them, none of them voted against the rules package a few days later. they have not in any way shape or form shown any willingness to defy the right, which they seem frankly scared of. to me that is the dynamic that will be defining to what the republicans look like -- >> and yet, the republican party elders have been commissioning various forms of us a top cities to figure out what went wrong in 2022. and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the lesson from these midterms where republicans lost a seat in the senate, and have a house majority by four votes, the lesson to put paul gosar and lauren boebert on plumb powerful
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committee assignments? it defies all logic. are we witnessing, i think i have been saying this for ten years, but it really feels like it now, is this the implosion of the gop as a functioning party? how can you look at what just happened and make the decision that was made today, hours ago? >> yeah. what you are seeing is people acting out of self interest. if you are in a safe district, if you are in an echo chamber that is fox news, small donors, it is your deep in district that marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar represents, also the far-right members of your caucus, that kevin mccarthy desperately needs, these are the people you are focused on. the idea of what an autopsy committee is going to decide, what the republican party needs to win swing voters, they don't give a damn about that. that is not something that they think about in the day today. it is very short term, narrow and self perpetuating. >> wonder if there's also a more
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cynical thing in play, there is a belief that what happens in washington state in washington. i wonder if you think this is true, that you can launch any number of flawed, fraudulent investigations into various democratic members of the administration, you can impeach however many cabinet secretaries who want, and launch you know, subcommittees on covid being imported from mars or whatever, and then you are not going to pay a price for that in a presidential election year. do you think they believe that they can get away with absolute nonsense and not pay the price when it comes to a big election year? >> clearly. one, they are most of them for the most part getting reelected. mccarthy is getting his speakership. in a way, the decisions they have made, if you put it all together, it is an example of the gop, certainly the house deciding to lead with the clown
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shows. every single person who has been on the fringes of the last couple years have been rewarded, in power. we are going to see so much more of paul gosar, marjorie taylor greene, jim jordan and the whole crew. and they are dealing with self perpetuation in very narrow districts that involve their own political interests and national elections and and you topities autopsies are not what they are thinking about or what is good for the country. >> do you think that we'll default on our credit like when it comes down to the debt ceiling? i mean how an nihilistic do you think the republican party is will be to be? >> we're going to find out. hate to be ominous about it, but look, i think obviously democrats were thrilled pretty much with the election, midterm election results. they knew especially if they kept the senate, which they did, the amount of damage that the house could do was somewhat contained by the fact that, you know, it was a very small
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margin, but ultimately that the white house and the senate were democratic candidates. but the debt ceiling is the big glaring exception to this. is this a massive, massive threat. if they decide they don't want to play ball and they will be on structure this, there could be catastrophic consequences that frankly i don't think that marjorie taylor greene is thinking about in terms of what her district will abide. i think the reward structure there is very different from what consumers and practitioners of politics will think about on the day to day. so yeah, that to me is a harrowing thought. >> i don't think that it is a coincidence that grifter like george santos went from basically a ponzi scheme to running for office in the republican party. >> and winning. >> and winning. mark leleibovich, thank you for your time. just ahead, recent discovery of classified documents at
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>> absolutely nothing. that is what reporters got out of president biden today after inundating him, really yelling at him with questions about classified documents found in his possession while president biden was holding a meeting with the dutch prime minister. hours later the white house press second secretary said the cooperating but they could not have further comment. and meanwhile new details are emerging about the doj involvement in that investigation. the "wall street journal" reports that the justice department considered but rejected a role in biden document search. they considered having fbi agents monitor biden's lawyers in their search for classified documents at his homes but ultimately the doj decided against it to avoid complicating later stages of the investigation. the doj also opted out because unlike trump's legal team biden's attorneys were cooperating and in fact were the ones to bring the issue to the
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doj attention in the very first place. and this shows the unprecedented circumstances that merrick gar and faces while also navigating parallel investigations in to former president trump's handling of classified document s and the attempts to overturn the 2020 election. politico profile says and an analysis by congressional research service described him as a meticulous and cauist jurist. and he knows while he turns to case law, there is no comparable body of guidance. so unlike virtually any other in garland's career because in a
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meaningful sense he finds himself having to make the rules rather than simply follow or interpret them. and joining us now, former federal prosecutor and editor of politico. one thing that i found very important in this reporting is just how much of a political -- i won't say actor or maybe savant, but how sentence he is to the political trade winds. you can talk more about that? because i think that the public understands him at least at this point to be so decidedly apolitical. >> i'm glad that you brought that up because that is one of the things that i wanted to get through in the piece. there is a notion that this is the judge, he is devoid of politics, he is outside the political realm, but he's had a career intertwined with the fortunes of the democrat party. no accident that lawyer becomes the attorney general. even the most gracious kind
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person. he has friends in politic, he is in and out of political legal circles for decades. he has people who are deeply enmeshed in the clinton world in the like. so, there is that which is about his die biography in his history, i don't think secondarily the latter half of the piece, really how political considerations are hanging over his tenure at the justice department, how might they be interest influencing him. >> given that, when we have all the news, the swirl around biden in his possession, will foreign awe of certain classified documents, lesser number, the situation is again different but nonetheless, finding classified documents at various residences or in the office that he was using, i mean for garland, it is already such a complicated landscape.
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do you feel like you could try to really, compensate for the fact that there is seemingly a looming criminal indictment over president trump by being particularly aggressive on the biden investigation? >> you know i, don't know if there truly is a looming criminal indictment. obviously, we are in terrain it is very real possibility. >> or at least a possibility of it i guess. >> there is a special counsel named, giving a mandate on two significant areas. so, i think one way of interpreting it is, i thinking about it is -- an extraordinary step. searching for presidents home, what the fbi. and lo and behold, a few months later, he gets told by joe biden's lawyers, oh we have some documents of our own. i don't know it's meant particularly well, i do my best to channel him, if it were me, and i expect on some level him, it must have been irate. here he is doing something truly unprecedented, generating this
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political controversy. now it has been sort of mocked around with, at the results of biden's conduct. >> when we talk about the two special counsels he appointed, jack smith is a special counsel who is overseeing the investigation into mar-a-lago and january 6th, president trump's role in both. robert hur is a person that by -- he was set to look into biden investigation. in ternl terms of the political donations, do you think it reflects anything in terms of garland's i won't say sense of a punitive streak but do you think that he might have been actually frustrated by disclosures from the biden administration? >> i imagine he was. to your point about this person having a more significant political profile than jack smith, who is a political appointee in the trump administration, i don't think it is an accident. i do think there is some effort to make sure that, if this
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investigation is going to happen, he can do his best at sort of placating people who may be skeptical of it, including by putting a trump appointee in charge of it. obviously, the person who had it before lausch who has since left. that is one of those things that reflects this up to tv to public perception and the politics swirling around him. >> you make this key point that early on in his career he is very concerned about the institutional integrity of the justice department, there is the media circus around oj simpson and then he is tasked with managing the response to the oklahoma city bombing, and the business story about how to, resurrect, we present to the american public the efficacy and the importance and the institutional integrity of the doj. it feels like we are in another moment in terms of garland and the doj and what, where we are going from here. we have this attack on the sort of institutions of democracy, there is a feel, there is a real
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skepticism for -- here is a chance to restore that integrity. do you think that garland is looking at it in such a high stakes manner? doesn't feel like he wanted to have to take on trump at the outset of his career as a.g., now he finds himself in almost an impossible position? >> people who know him well will tell you that he understands that it is against the political stakes. i have a hard time scoring that with the actual record. because, as you say, something hugely significant happened on january 6th. joe biden took office a couple weeks later, a couple months later was when merrick garland takes office. my own view is that, as an observer, at that point in time i should've been very regressive and robust investigation into the trump white house and campaign concerning january 6th and the months-long campaign leading up to it. and also the financial sort of shenanigans. but chiefly january 6th. and in your analogy is a good
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one, but you know in a terrorist attack, there's going to be no question there is going to be an aggressive law enforcement response. this was different. i think that incomparable level of responsiveness and aggressiveness should've been brought to bear, not to be overzealous or irresponsible or anything like that that didn't happen. i think 2021, a significant part of 2022 as well, what -- appears to have gone by with a kind of hoping that they wouldn't have to deal with trump had. >> those televised hearings changed the landscape. and thank you so much. great reporting. we'll be right back. t reporting. we'll be right back.
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