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you can be it, and the power of paying it forward. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm "jose diaz-balart reports," you can reach me on twitter and instagram at jdbalart. follow the show online. and thank you for the privilege of your time. lindsey reiser picks up with more news right now. good morning. i'm lindsey reiser at msnbc headquarters in new york. coming to you on a busy morning, including breaking news overseas. a major tragedy overnight rattling ukraine's government. the country's interior minister is one of at least 14 people, including a child killed in a helicopter crash just outside kyiv. it's not immediately clear what caused the crash. we could learn more soon. president volodymyr zelenskyy is set to address the world economic forum in davos, switzerland, as he renews his
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country's push for more aid in the war. here at home, the white house is facing new criticism and fallout over its muted response to classified materials found at president biden's home and former d.c. office. a law enforcement official telling nbc news, the justice department has not asked the white house not to speak about the facts of the case. while new reporting from "the wall street journal" reveals that according to multiple sources, the doj considered having fbi agents monitor a search for classified documents at his homes but decided against it. also this morning, disturbing new details about the shooting plot police say was orchestrated by a failed republican candidate in new mexico. the suspect accused of paying men to target the homes of democratic officials is set to appear in court this afternoon. new video from a ring camera appears to show him knocking on a door, identifying himself for name and asking for one of the lawmakers.
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>> hi, my name is solomon pena, can i speak with debbie o'malley? >> debbie o'malley will join me this hour to discuss the police department. we start with the war in ukraine and that deadly helicopter crash that killed the country's interior minister. raf sanchez has more where investigators are looking into this crash. >> reporter: ukrainian authorities have now suspended rescue operations at the site of this morning's helicopter crash. all day here at this kindergarten there has been emergency crew activity, but now you can see there's just a single candle burning next to this memorial. all day we have seen people coming here and laying flowers. the helicopter crashed at around 8:20 a.m. this morning, just as parents were dropping their children off at school. we have seen debris from that helicopter scattered all over this site and, of course, among
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the dead, ukraine's interior minister, one of the most powerful members of president zelenskyy's cabinet, a man tasked with ensuring certainly security even as ukraine struggles against this russian invasion. president zelenskyy has been leading the nation in mourning this morning, but he has a major hole at the top of his government. we're expecting in the next couple of days to see who will replace the interior minister. it will not be an easy task. his deputy, as well as several other senior officials from his department, were also killed in this plane crash -- helicopter crash, excuse me. now the investigation is being led by the state security service of ukraine. they say at this point, they are not ruling out any possibilities. they're investigating whether this could have been pilot error, whether there was some sort of technical malfunction on board this helicopter, or whether this helicopter was
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somehow deliberately targeted. i will tell you, there's no indication at this point the helicopter was shot down by the russians. we have not seen any russian aircraft over kyiv today. there have been no reports of russian missiles. but when such a senior member of the ukrainian government is killed in a helicopter crash like this, you can understand the ukrainian authorities want to investigate every possibility including whether some sort of foul play was involved. back to you. >> raf sanchez with that reporting, thank you. i want to bring in the former supreme allied commander at nato. admiral, the ministry of internal affairs, we just heard raf describe it. how will this loss of life impact ukrainian military leadership? >> i think quite significantly. he also was a very close adviser to president zelenskyy, someone to whom the president could turn for advice and ideas.
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obviously when you're fighting the war of occupation, internal security is at an absolute premium and third and finally, lindsey, he was involved in intelligence, counterintelligence. it's a big job with a lot of impact in the war. he will be missed. we should all be watching closely to see who gets selected to step up to this important job. >> admiral, president zelenskyy is expected to speak any moment at the wor forum in davos. nato chiefs are in brussels. as the former supreme allied commander of nato, what's your assessment of the strategy nearly a year into this war and what shifts and new weaponry do you think the west should be considering? >> let's start with the most important of the two meetings. frankly, it's not davos. davos is a platform and president zelenskyy will make his very tried and true points.
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they're all excellent. we know what's coming there. the important meeting is in brussels. these are the defense ministers of all 30 of the nation's in the alliance, plus defense ministers from sweden and finland, nations who will very soon be joining the alliance, are representative as americans, of course, our secretary of defense lloyd austin. so it is a meeting where the strategy is going to be on the table, going to be discussed in depth. when i was supreme ally commander, meetings would focus on afghanistan, the balkans, today it is ukraine, ukraine and ukraine. and that makes sense. finally, lindsey, i think principal to the conversation occurring in brussels will be what kind of weapons and how quickly can we get there so they'll be affected in what is shaping up to be a big spring in this war. that means bradley fighting
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vehicles from the united states and their equivalents from our european allies, tanks, more surface-to-surface missiles, antiship cruise missiles to touch that black sea fleet. that is the gran lairty of the conversation in brussels. it will be an important one. >> the "new york times" reports that the pentagon is tapping into a vast but little known stockpile of ammunition in israel to help meet ukraine's need for artillery shells. how helpful could that stockpile be? is it worrisome we're dipping into it? >> it is not worrisome in my view. i know a lot about this stockpile. when i was nato commander, my u.s. position, was european/u.s. command and it included military-to-military relations with israel. the stocks are extensive. however, what we are pulling out
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of it, artillery, artillery shells, those are not what israel is going to need. syria is not going to sweep tanks across the golan heights. what they need is air defense, cyber intelligence. i think this is a very smart move on the part of the administration. our israeli colleagues have been consulted. i'm sure they're quite comfortable with it. >> admiral, thank you. here at home, the white house is trying to contain the firestorm surrounding president biden's handling of classified materials. one senior official took reporter questions. at one point, criticizing republicans for, quote, fake outrage and the real lack of transparency. carol lee is at the white house with more. also with me, joyce vance. the white house has a tough balancing act here, publicly explaining what happened without
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appearing to affect the investigate that's happening at the federal level. how are they trying to manage this fallout as they face a lot of criticism from democratic allies, republicans and the public over how they handled this? >> reporter: the white house's approach was to not engage and try to get out ahead publicly of disclosures that would come to light through media reports or elsewhere and they've largely stuck to that strategy. you have the president who is not commented on the naming of a special counsel since that happened last week, despite being asked multiple questions. we've seen the white house press secretary at the podium not answering many of reporters' questions and now we learned that the justice department is saying they did not tell the white house that they can't talk publicly about the details of this. the white house to its point did not say that they had been told not to talk about it. but they have said publicly that they're trying to balance public disclosures with not appearing like they're influencing the
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investigation and so that's what their legal strategy is and they've largely adhered to that. as for the political strategy, they've shifted that a little bit. we saw yesterday a senior official taking questions from reporters at a conference call, there weren't a lot of huge answers, but one thing that did come out of the white house, they're starting to hit back at republicans attacking the white house and the president over this issue, pointing out that in the white house's view, there's a lot of hypocrisy in terms of how republicans are approaching the president's handling of classified information after he left office after being vice president and former president trump's handling of classified information. and so the white house has a political strategy that seems to be taking a sharper edge. while the legal strategy, largely for now, in terms of dealing with the public, seems to remain the same. >> joyce, i want to get your insight on wall street
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reporting. they reported that the justice department considered having fbi agents monitor a search by president biden's lawyers for classified documents at his homes but decided against it, complicating later stages of the investigation and because mr. biden's attorneys has turned over a first batch and were cooperating, according to people familiar with the matter. nbc news hasn't independently verified this report. but with the publicly available information we have, was that the right course? >> i think it makes a lot of sense. doj doesn't typically supervise voluntary turnovers of information, particularly when you have every indication that a party was being cooperative like they were here. i think certainly by taking the stance of not participating, they're better off down the road, less of a possibility of perhaps conflicting agents out of the investigation, because of something that they observed in this sort of a setting, and so by holding off doj, i think is
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in a better position than it would have been. there would have only been marginal utility in observing the search. >> joyce, thank you so much. as we mentioned, ukrainian president -- thanks to carol lee as well. volodymyr zelenskyy is addressing the world economic forum in davos. let's listen in. >> found near a kindergarten. ukraine lost loved ones today and many more. losing dearly because of the war. and i ask you to honor the memory of every person ukraine has lost with a minute of silence.
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only one minute, but it keeps the memory about so many people. the time it took for a russian missile to travel hundreds of kilometers, hit a residential area and killed at least 35 people. 45 children. my address will be short about the time we are short of. three years ago, i spoke at davos for the first time in kherson. the topic was how to build a sustainable war and talking
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online now. the world cannot keep the pace with changes and challenges. the list of global security, environmental, food security, energy needs to be amended with another one in a time of crisis. this, of course, for divisive, efficient needs to be expanded with one more, the call for speed, the speed of decision-making, reaction of the civilaized world. tragedies are outpacing life. the tyranny is outpacing
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democracy. russia needed less than one second to start the war. the war needed days to react with sanctions. the time the free world uses to think is used by the terrorist state to kill. ukraine and its allies have been resisting it for almost a year. this period proved all our -- brought positive results. the opening of european models -- the energy unity. together they saved millions, millions of lives and not only in ukraine, it is not only ukraine, but the whole world needs exactly this pace of decisions and actions. the world was hesitant in russia without hesitation.
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the world was hesitate in 2022 when russia, without hesitation, made the war full scale. the world must not hesitate today and never. when the evil seeks, the world needs resolve and speed. russia is exporting terror. russia is spreading the strain of the war, the era of the war. globalization of the war must outpace the next military mobilization of our joint enemy. supply ukraine with air defense systems must outpace russia's next missile attacks. the supplies must outpace another invasion of russian
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tanks. peace in ukraine must outpace russia's attacks on security and peace in other countries. military crimes must prevent new ones. the expansion of nato and the eu must out go the spread of the russian aggression. we routinely defend values which they take for granted as a fact of life. for us, the fact in need of res. ladies and gentlemen, three years ago was my first time at the wef. at the time when the world was fighting covid-19. it fought and won. now the world is fighting against putin.
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in three years, we will be discussing new challenges and threats. what will this mean? it will mean -- it will definitely overcome the current threat, the hurt repeats itself, the world fails to notice or underestimates a threat, then it unites too resistive and then the world wins every time. the same outcome. the world overcame a season. the apartheid. the indifference to climate changes, financial crises and the kremlin strained. the world will overcome again. this is how much can be said in
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a matter of minutes. this is how much can be understood in a matter of minutes. the world will overcome again. the time is now to make it happen faster. ukraine. [ applause ] >> the admiral is back with me. we've been listening to ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy address the world economic forum in davos, switzerland. just to catch people up, admiral, on some of what he said, first, he mentioned the attack in dnipro, the apartment bloc that was hit by a russian missile that killed 45 people, led a moment of silence and, admiral, i noticed a different home. when we've heard president zelenskyy addressing congress, addressing other world leaders here, and his speech had a clear theme. he was talking about the fact that tyranny was outpacing democracy and cannot continue to
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do so. the supply of tanks must outpace that of russian tanks and he kind of called out the world. he said that the world hesitated when russia did not hesitate in taking crimea. the world hesitated in delivering sanctions. somewhat of a more tone calling on these nations to reflect on what they've done. >> i think you've heard it precisely the way he wanted to deliver it, lindsey, which is to say he's trying to rattle the cage of history. he's saying principally to europeans, hey, we've seen this movie before. we've seen authoritarian states who have inched and inched and inched into aggressive invasions and the world has stood by and watched. you think of winston churchill in the late 1930s watching the advance of fascism across the
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continent. i think in many ways, president zelenskyy is channeling winston churchill's warnings to the world. and i think in this sense, davos, the world economic forum, is a good place to deliver that message because it combines not just the military and the geopolitical, but also the economic, the globalization, everything the world has built over the last several decades, to interconnect us is at risk. that was the heart of his message to that crowd in davos. it was a smart play be a master communicator. >> rattling the cage of history. admiral, thank you for joining us again. coming up, the failed candidate for new mexico's legislature who is now accused of orchestrating shooting at democratic officials' homes will be in court in a few hours. i'm going to talk to a county commissioner whose home was targeted. george santos has something knew to put on his resume,
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the digital age is waiting. this morning we're learning disturbing new details about the shooting plot allegedly orchestrated by a failed republican candidate for the new mexico statehouse and we could learn even more this afternoon. the suspect solomon pena is set to make his first court appearance. police say he paid four other men to target the homes of local democratic leaders in the state.
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nbc news spoke exclusively to some of the officials targeted. they said pena confronted them at their homes to dispute the november election with one official describing him as sort of erratic. new ring camera video shows pena knocking on a door, identifying himself by name and asking for one of the lawmakers he's accused of targeting. vaughn hillyard is in new mexico ahead of this afternoon's hearing. what else could we learn from today's court appearance and could pena face even more serious charges? >> reporter: right, this investigation is still ongoing. there were -- according to prosecutors -- multiple individuals who were part of this conspiracy that he paid to ultimately turn from calculation and ultimately to action here. you're talking about four different lawmakers whose homes were targeted in drive-by shooting incidents. there was nobody physically harmed here in these shootings, but in the documents, there is one unnamed source who talked
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with authorities and claims that -- after the first three incidents, that pena was frustrated about the aim of these particular shots that were fired by the individuals who he had paid to shoot up the homes. directing them to shoot lower. you can just look at from these charging documents here in which it reads, pena wanted them to aim lower and shoot around 8:00 p.m. because occupants would more than likely not be laying down which would increase the chance of obtaining the desired effect of the shootings. there's another startling part of this here, these charging documents, in which linda lopez, a democratic state senator here in new mexico, and it talked about her 10-year-old daughter and what they thought were fireworks initially. the report says that lopez recounted that the 10-year-old daughter was awakened by what she believed was a spider crawling on her face and asked why she felt like there was sand in the bed. sheetrock dust was blown onto
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her face and bed by the bullets that passed through her bedroom overhead. as more of the details come out, the more startling and disturbing they are. nobody was ultimately physically harmed here, but the charges against pena are very serious here this afternoon, lindsey. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you. joining me right now is debbie o'malley, the former bernalillo county in addition who pena appeared to ask for by name in that ring camera video we showed you. her term ended at the end of last year. commissioner, first, thanks for being with us after everything you've been through. before we get through what exactly happened, can you walk us through your experience with pena, had you ever met him? >> no, i had not. i want to say that i'm relieved that he's in custody, and i want to give a lot of credit to law enforcement for working very quickly to make this a priority. i had not met him. i have known of him because he went to court -- he was
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challenged to be on the ballot by the incumbent and so i knew of him. but i had not met him. >> we're talking about some of the details of the case, i want to ask you about what we heard vaughn saying including that pena is accused of being frustrated with the aim, saying aim lower, aim for around 8:00 p.m. according to the arrest affidavit, this happened at your home, 1:43 in the morning on december 11th. 12 rounds were discovered. can you take us back to that moment? >> yes. very chilling those details about, you know, shooting lower when i heard that. yes, i -- my husband and i basically sat up in bed at that -- in the middle of the night because we heard this loud pounding on the door. it sounded like somebody was hitting the door with their fist. we have family nearby, we thought it was an emergency.
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when we both sat up, we heard more of that noise and we really knew then that it was gunshots. we did, you know, get up and look around a little bit. didn't think there was anybody on the property. it wasn't until the next day that we saw the damage to our wall. it's an adobe wall. i didn't go through. but i have big divots in the wall as a result of the bullets. >> when we look at the ring video when he's looking for you, how surreal is all this for you? we know nobody was injured after all this. but what's your level of fear and concern right now? >> well, you know, my vulnerability level went up and as officials we are vulnerable. we have a -- you know, we're local. people know us. people see us in the grocery store. and we do want to be accessible to our constituency.
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and so we just never really -- i've been an elected official for 20 years. this has never been an issue. when he came to the door, he sounds pleasant enough. he gives his name. he surely must know -- he looks around and sees the cameras at that door. it seemed like it was not that threatening. >> commissioner, authorities describe pena as being motivated by anger over his decisive election loss in november. with that in mind, do you have a message for lawmakers, anybody continuing to push election denialism? >> well, it's -- as you mentioned, it's really surreal. i know this is going on in other parts of the country, this narrative about, they feel cheated or feel like -- you know, the election is rigged and on and on. this is coming -- this has been a narrative that's been very disturbing. that's what's caused the january
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6th insurrection and things like that. so i think that as much as we can, we can take precautions. but the reality is, you know, we are out there in public. we are public officials. we serve the public. and, you know, i have to live every day. i can't just stop. i mean, i have to -- i have, you know, family and i have to do the daily work. so i just -- i don't want -- i'm not going to live in fear, that's basically what i'm saying. all of this is -- it's really awful. it's very disturbing. it's -- as i said, you know, i feel more vulnerable. but i have to go on. and so do the others. >> debbie o'malley, so thankful nobody was hurt. thank you for coming on with us today. >> thank you. this morning, despite facing a growing scandal and numerous calls to resign, congressman george santos has been awarded seatshe small business
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committee. and those aren't the only committee assignments sparking controversy in the new republican majority. ryan nobles joins me now from capitol hill with more on these assignments. i'm joined by nicholas wu and congressman carbella. ryan, what have you heard so far from lawmaker and is what are the other assignments right now getting attention? >> first on santos, it seems clear that the republican leader in washington has decided that they're going to treat him like they would every other member of congress and afford him all the rights and responsibilities that a dully elected member would have and that includes committee assignments. even though kevin mccarthy was unwilling to force him to resign, that perhaps it would keep him off committees while
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they adjudicated all of these various investigations into his background. mccarthy decided otherwise and did allow him to be seated on two committees which is in general what the republican conference allows of each member if they're not seated on the "a" committees. small business and the space, science and technology committee, they are important, all committees are important. but they are certainly not the high-profile committees that things like oversight or judiciary or ways and means, those "a" committees would have. to answer your second question about the other assignments, marjorie taylor greene is the one that stands out the most. she's been assigned to the homeland security committee, committees that are going to play a major role in efforts to look into the biden administration on various levels, including the work that was done at the border, questions about the way covid money was spent, the origins of covid, the withdrawal from afghanistan, these were all things that marjorie taylor
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greene who was pushed off of committees in the last congress will now play a key role in. >> congressman, the chair of the small business committee roger williams of texas said what santos did was wrong, but he's on the committee, we're going to have rules to follow. he represents about a million people in new york and a lot of main street issues. but we heard ryan say mccarthy could have opted not to seat him. what do you make of this decision? >> there were a significant number of republicans who did not want to seat george santos. they wanted to sanction him in some way for his chronic dishonesty. and what happens is, this is embarrassing for members who have to sit on those committees. not just republicans, but also democrats because by seating someone who obviously has a long history of being dishonest about everything, you're diminishing that committee, you're diminishing the service of other members. this is an uncomfortable
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situation for house republicans. this is a difficult situation. but we know that the majority is a very slim majority and every vote is essential. so, kevin mccarthy opted not to anger george santos, to treat him as they have treated almost every other freshman. these aren't the most attractive committees, but most freshman don't get placed on very attractive committees. that's the way it works. you have to work your way up to better committees. george santos is not being treated in any exceptional way as of now and i think that's demoralizing some house republicans. >> okay, nicholas, let's talk about some of the more attractive committees. let's take a look at the republicans who initially opposed kevin mccarthy and where they ended up. just right off the bat, we have matt gaetz and andy biggs on judiciary, lauren boebert on oversight. are we getting more of a glimpse into some of these back room deals?
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>> what we're seeing right now is how some of the haggling with mccarthy ended up playing out. conservatives came out of the meetings saying one of the things that they extracted mccarthy was greater representation of the freedom caucus and conservative-type folks on these committees, and that's how the committee assignments are getting doled out here. this isn't an agreement that might be in writing. all sides to there not being any sort of written agreement. but it's the understanding between these hard-line members and mccarthy. >> congressman, the white house also blasting the decision to seat far-right republicans on the house oversight committee, including marjorie taylor greene, paul gosar, that committee will lead the charge of investigating president biden over the next two years. and a white house spokesperson said, quote, with these members joining the oversight committee, it appears that house republicans may be setting the stage for divorce from reality
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political stunts instead of engaging in bipartisan work on behalf of the american people. what could this be setting the stage for? >> well, lindsey, again, i think the greatest impact that this has on the congress is that it, number one, creates obstacles for committees that have to do serious work. there's always some gamesmanship in congress, there's people trying to draw attention to themselves, but that should all happen as serious and important work gets attended to. so this could diminish the importance of these committees which, by the way, it is important to hold the biden administration accountable. it is important to have oversight over the biden administration and this could interfere with that work and, again, this demoralizes other members, members, watch the way those certain members behave. they see that they get treated the same or better than they do.
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and they become resentful, it demoralizes them and eventually it really ruins even more if you can believe it, the culture inside of congress. so, this is -- congress is a community. and when people get rewarded for doing the wrong things, that has an impact on everyone else. >> ryan, we know, that tomorrow is the deadline for lawmakers to raise the debt ceiling. we know that the treasury secretary is doing some finagling so the real contention will be june here. what sort of battle are we seeing play out? >> it's a staring contest right now and both sides saying they want different things. the white house saying there's no room for negotiation, that congress should just lift the debt ceiling with no other discussion. but house republicans have made it clear that they are just not going to roll over and allow the debt ceiling to be raised without some companion spending cuts and some other concessions and some other areas. you're right, this is not an media problem, but it is going
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to become a real problem as we head into the spring and early summer and it is something that the white house is going to have to contend with. they're going to have to find a way through because house republicans at this point appear to be standing their ground. >> thank you. this morning, a panel of judges heard from an appeal from derek chauvin, the former minneapolis police officer convicted of murdering george floyd in 2020. the arguments to try to get his conviction thrown out and the state's blistering shot. parents demanding answers of a 6-year-old shot his teacher in the middle of class. >> she's six. she's terrified because a person who was advocating for her got hurt. she got hurt. e got hurt egret about my life was hiring local talent. if i knew about upwork. i would have hired actually talented people from all over the world.
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police officer convicted of killing george floyd. chauvin was sentenced to 22 years in prison wants that conviction thrown out. shaquille brewster is following that for us. what did we hear this morning from chauvin's lawyer? >> he receive a new trial in a new city, not in minneapolis or hennepin county. you heard the attorney really bring up the fact that so many people new about this trial, and they said that chauvin wasn't able to get a fair trial because many of the jurors already had that knowledge and they would enter a course that had barbed wire outside of it and had these high security measures. you also heard his team really target one of the jurors in particular who after the trial, a picture came out with this juror attending a march on washington in washington, d.c.,
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chauvin's attorney was alleging that this juror was not forthcoming in the jury questionnaire ahead of the trial. but you heard the challenge and argument be met with skepticism by some of the judges on the panel. i want you to listen to a little bit of that exchange between one of the judges and chauvin's attorney. >> so why -- i'm having a hard time understanding how he was not forthright at all in terms of answering any of the questions. >> because of the -- if he would have revealed the issues about the march rally protest in washington, it would have prompted other questions from counsel. >> which goes back to, isn't it counsel's duty to figure out those questions and ask those probing questions. >> now the state was very aggressive in their response to this appeal request. they essentially said to that argument, you didn't ask the right questions in that voir dire process, the process when the attorneys interview the different lawyers. they also said this was a pretty
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egregious case. so the sentence that chauvin received was necessary and effective and that everyone in the state of minnesota knew about the death, now murder of george floyd, so there was no other city you could go where you would have jury members not know about this. i think bottom line here, it's important to remember that even if derek chauvin is successful in his appeal, he will not see any prison time reduced. you can blame the federal plea deal that he agreed with for having him serve the same amount of time as he was sentenced to in the state case. >> joyce, what do you make of the merit of the appeal and what we saw in this hearing today? >> right. so i think we heard it there, this is sort of a hail mary type of appeal. for one thing, all of these issues about undue, unfair juries or about the one member of the jury who answered the questions that they were asked by the defense counsel very
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specifically, the defense lawyers didn't go far enough to elicit any of the jurors had attended rallies in d.c. but these are the sorts of arguments that the court is right to be sceptical about in this voir dire process where jurors are questioned before the jury is seated. the judge goes to a lot of trouble to guarantee that jurors can set aside any preconceived biases before they become members of the jury and it's very difficult for a defendant to prevail on these types of issues. >> thank you. it's been two weeks since a 6-year-old student shot his teacher inside a virginia classroom according to police. angry parents are demanding answers and accountability. their frustration boiled over last night at a school board meeting last night. parents, teachers and community members all spoke out, but some calling for changes in security measures. the school has been closed since the shooting.
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the teacher abigail zwerner is still recovering. we have more on the meeting. what did you hear from the community and what steps does the school district say they're taking? >> reporter: well, the school district is making some promises on safety. they're saying they're going to put metal detectors in every school, increase security guards, they're considering see-through backpacks, but parents say this is a band-aid. this is a culture problem where discipline and accountability are not what they should be for students who have bad behavior in the classroom and without those consequences, you're really not going to be able to solve this problem. they say if abigail zwerner was respected as the rules of the classroom should be, that this shooting would not have happened. here's what some of them told us last night. >> i want behaviors held accountable. i want change. i don't have to have -- i don'ts will hide in their school.
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>> i am begging long honest look at the climate that has been created in this district. until you change that climate, another incident is just waiting to happen. >> reporter: teachers note that there have been three shooting incidents within this district in the past 18 months and that is unacceptable. several people calling for the superintendent to resign, the board not making any public comments at the time of the meeting, but it was quite a lengthy meeting, four hours long. standing room only in the boardroom and even the overflow rooms, packed with people waiting to express those opinions, a lot of teachers and parents feeling unheard and feeling unnerved about sending their kids back to that elementary school, given what's happened. >> thank you. up next, layoffs on the way at another tech giant. what the job cuts at microsoft mean for the industry and the economy.
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company's total workforce. microsoft joins a growing list of tech companies announcing layoffs. it includes amazon, meta and twitter. joining me now is morgan brennan. what do we know about these moe -- microsoft layoffs? >> it's a big number. this will reduce microsoft's head count by less than 5%. some will find out cuts are coming across teams, geography. there's more impact to sales and marketing. they are taking a charge. it comes as the companies that microsoft sells to are spending less and getting more cautious as the global economy slows. some places are in recession and others you have fears of a recession looming. i would say it's not just microsoft. just today, amazon beginning its previously announced layoffs as
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well. 18,000, which is its biggest workforce reduction ever. >> morgan, we got new economic reports about retail and housing for december. walk us through that and how markets are reacting. >> markets right now have turned lower. the dow is down 1%. the s&p is down almost 1%. it's not just companies tightening their belts. it's consumers as well. retail sales dropped more than 1%. it was more than expected from the month prior. even those november retail sales numbers were revised lower as well. basically, that usually robust holiday shopping season kind of ending with a thud here. consumers pushing back on inflation. it wasn't just gas prices, which we saw fall in the final months of the year, but also restaurants, furniture, electronics, clothing, department stores, sales for all of those areas falling on this. it signals the economy is, in fact, beginning to slow as the fed continues to hike interest rates to tamp down the inflation. one bright spot today has been
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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the house republicans who rebelled during the speaker battle, they get spots on key committees. while staunch mccarthy allies with radical backgrounds profit from their loyalty. george santos gets committee assignments despite bipartisan calls for his resignation. this hour, the dangers for lawmakers from both parties on capitol hill brought to light by a new police report detailing thousands of threats last year alone. tragedy in ukraine today. a helicopter carrying top officials, including the country's minister of internal affairs, crashing on a preschool and a residential building outside of kyiv. >> they lost loved ones today and many more.
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