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doors to get the gavel. those holdouts who were keeping the the speakership from him now have some plush committee assignments. lauren boebert, scott perry, and where they got assign and why the white house is watching so closely. our congressional reporters are here to explain what those members will now be able to do. they also learned about, more about why congressman marjorie taylor greene might have gotten so close to mccarthy, becoming one of the loudest supporters for him to get the gavel, she got two top committee assignments making past statements like this one from 2018 all the more relevant today. >> there is an islamic invasion into our government offices right now. okay? they are, you saw after midterm elections what we saw so many muslims elected, i don't know, i don't know the exact number but there were quite a few, we have that woman out of minnesota, now

she's going into congress, and she's got to wear a head covering, you know, they want to put their hand on the koran and be sworn in, no you have to be sworn in on the bible. >> it is not just deals for committee seats. it's the deals kevin mccarthy made on policy that probably will have some big consequences, we've seen showdowns on the national debt before, you will remember them, but this time, will be different. what did hard line republicans learn from the last big showdown in 2011? and what did joe biden, who oversaw that last big one, as vp, learn? and what that might mean for any hope of compromise before janet yellen's quote extraordinary nare measures run out. joining us is garrett haake usa today, washington bureau chief susan page and punch bowl news co-founder and msnbc political contributor jake sherman. garrett, we mentioned a bunch of names up top of some of those

folks who were keeping the gavel from kevin mccarthy, and made it about 15 rounds to get it, getting some plum assignments. what did they get? >> well, that's right, katy and some of these folks ended up with new assignments, some back on the prestigious committees they already sat, making it to the appropriations committee, byron donalds, financial services or andy bigs, back on judiciary, or lauren boebert now on oversight, and i'm trying to remember the other ones on your graphic so you don't, i don't leave you hanging. >> gosar, scott perry. >> gosar on oversight and scott perry on foreign affairs. i think we learned two things basically. number one, mccarthy didn't punish anyone who voted against him, everyone who is back on the committees on which they previously sat or upgraded committees to some place where they wanted to be. and that's part of, folks who opposed him and as you pointed

out marge ry taylor greene who arguably became one of his most allies of emissaries from the far right who managed to have no committees after the assignments were stripped from her by democrats in the last commerce and two key sites on oversight and homeland security where she will be right in the middle of several big fights we expect to see early in this new congress. >> so oversight, and homeland security, let's talk about oversight, because boebert is on that, gosar is on that, and as garrett just mentioned, greene. why is the white house going to be watching that committee so closely and watching those members so closely, jake? >> well, this is the chief investigative committee on capitol hill that has oversight over the entire government, katy, i mean this is not an exaggeration, this is one of the most wide-ranging committees on capitol hill, and one thing, one point we made yesterday in one editions, i can't remember which one and if you have a government official, and you are looking to testify in front of a committee, you're going to try to avoid the

oversight committee at all costs and go to judiciary or something else, anything else besides the oversight committee. so listen, this is a useful foil for the biden administration, a committee that is filled to the brim with fire brands, to say the least, and one that will not get a lot of cooperation from businesses or the government. >> all right. so susan, what is the white house bracing for, as this congress gets moving? >> bracing for investigations into everything. into hunter biden. into the withdrawal from afghanistan. now, especially to the treatment of secret documents that showed up, not only with donald trump, but in the home and offices associated with president biden. there is i think no issue that republicans will hesitate to investigate, and you know, the lesson of this, of these committee assignments, you can get a reward for siding with

mccarthy as marjorie taylor greene did, but there is no penalty to opposing him. none of those who stood up against him seem to have paid any sort of price. >> no, i mean he went 15 rounds, and eventually had to give them what they wanted for them to say yes. garrett, let's talk about the national debt, and raising the debt ceiling, because that's the other policy issue that's being spoken about a lot, in terms of what sort of leverage mccarthy does or does not have on the holdouts and those who wanted to keep the speakership from him. does mccarthy want a showdown on the national debt as the tea party has wanted for so long or is his hand being forced? >> well, historically, he hasn't sought the kind of showdown that the house conservatives who held his feet to the fire in these negotiations have wanted and now he is going to get it. this was a big part of the behind-the-scenes negotiations,

beyond the rules package, there are members of the republican conference who want to see the republicans go to the mat with the debt limit and even if it means tipping the u.s. into default. and likewise, they want to see similar bear knuckle tactics with appropriations bills and funding the government. mccarthy has said all of the right things about opposing those bills and voted against them in the past but the knock on him from the far right, he wasn't a true believer in taking the fight as far as it needs to go and now those who feel strongly that way, have the mechanism to threaten him if not remove him if he doesn't take the fight as far as they want it. and the problem for the house republicans, they have yet to come up with what they want specifically. and mccarthy every time he comes to the microphones and talks to reporters says he wants to sit down with joe biden and negotiate on the debt ceiling but house republicans don't have a unified position what exactly they're negotiating for, only that it is big, dramatic cuts, and that's not going to be enough for democrats to come to

the table and essentially negotiate against their own position. >> so if we look back at the last time there was a lot of brinkmanship on this, that drove the markets crazy, 2011, and i wonder, jake, what did the republicans take away from that episode in 2011 where they backed down? and what did president joe biden take away from it, because he was vp at the time, overseeing this all? >> well, joe biden took away that he should never negotiate over the debt limit which is the position that republicans had under donald trump which they raised the debt limit three times with no concessions, zero concessions. let's be clear. multiple times before covid. so this is not a, this is a new position for republicans, new to this administration, going back to 2011, they did have. that that's number one. number two, house republicans have taken a hostage here that they know that responsible people in the party, let's call it 200 of them, know that they cannot shoot.

that's a euph fix, it's -- euph fix, it's apt but it is not pretty that they can't let the country default they know that so the stronger hand for democrats, many republicans want to raise the debt limit without concessions and this fight is not going to be joined, katy, until the late string or early summer some of the i'm not surprised that there isn't a position yet. and again, there is no tenable position because the majority, the president, the senate republicans, some senate republicans, senate democrats and some house republicans, all say, no, no, no we're not going to do this. so on top of the fact that mccarthy seems to be taking a hostage that he cannot shoot and the rest of the construct of government does not want to have this debate. but i'll add this as a caveat at the end. this is going to be messy. i don't know how this ends. biden might cut a deal. i have no idea.

so anybody who tells you they know what's going to happen is just lying to you to sound like they need to look like they sound smart. >> we'll ask about that with the white house and ask if any there is any room for a cut or negotiate on it. and i wonder, given that you have laid this out and you're telling of a hostage they can't shoot, and is feckless, for them to do this, doesn't it make them look feckless if they are trying to have a fight that they cannot win? >> sure. of course. and their arguments to have this fight are complete nonsense. they say spending is out of control. the drivers of spending, the entitlement programs, have not been significantly altered since 2011. now, in 2011, republicans did trim federal spending by more than a trillion over a decade. they did set up two debt ceiling increases where all congress had to do was disapprove of them and

the debt ceiling was raised. so it did back down in 2011 for all of those who think they didn't, they raised a construct for this over and over again. they choose this in the white house dhechlt not have this fight when a republican was in the white house. would very that as evidence. so they do this when the other party controls the white house. and they're not honest about that. but it's obvious to anybody with a half a brain that's what is going on though. >> are there fig leaves that the white house may be willing to give this to the republicans to get this done faster and smoother and less messy, susan? >> sure, and the point now, they won't negotiate, at the end of the day, it is entirely possible they will have talks with republicans if and when the republicans have a unified position. they've done things in the past, that rather than raise the debt limit, they suspended the debt limit and they agreed to that deal when john boehner was

speaker of a republican-controlled house. i will tell you the big risk this time, i think that most worries the white house, some of the members of the freedom caucus would be perfectly comfortable at blowing this up, you know, jake is saying that there is a critical mass of officials that see this as feckless and impossible to do, but i'm not sure if you ask every member of the freedom caucus they would be agreeing it would be so disastrous to force a real crisis on that, on the debt limit, the sorts of which we have never seen before. >> we've never defaulted so no one is quite sure all that would happen if we defaulted, the idea of losing jobs be a the stock market going down and the credit rating degraded although that didn't have major consequences the last time it happened but it is not clear ma what exactly would go down if we did default. appreciate it. thank you so much for joining us. and joining me now, as promised white house economic adviser jared bernstein.

thank you very much for joining me today. >> happy to be here. >> last time you were on the show, i think i was out. >> i think that's right. >> who knows what reason. maybe i was sick. maybe i had a baby. it's good that you're here on this day. the president called the gop fiscally demented. what does that mean? it means that if we're even thinking about a default, or playing these kinds of political games, using the debt ceiling as hostage for the kinds of so-called negotiations these folks are talking about, it is the pinnacle of irresponsible governance. remember, two things i want to add to the good conversation we are just having. first of all, this is paying for existing spending obligations. we can't say that enough. a lot of times, this gets framed as fiscal responsibility. no, it is the height of fiscal

irresponsibility. because it means you're not paying for spending that congress and presidents have already signed off on. and in fact, what would it do? you just had a good conversation about that. one of the things it would do would to be jack the interest rate up to levels that, you know, probably are unforeseen for the most pristine debt in the world, the u.s. sovereign debt, that would make servicing our debt more expensive, not less expensive. it's the exact opposite of what they're talking about. i think that's what the president means. second point, think about where this economy is right now, i mean we have a 50-year historic low on the unemployment rate, about 11 million jobs since this president got here. we now have inflation coming down both in consumer and producer prices six months in a row. what a completely ridiculously awful time to get involved in this kind of posturing when, and this kind of, you know, hostage taking of the debt ceiling, when

the economy is really on the mend. >> can i ask the obvious question that i think doesn't get asked enough? why is it okay to keep raising our debt? why is it okay to beat inasmuch, to be inasmuch debt as we are currently in and keep increasing it, $31 trillion. why is it crazy to say we shouldn't keep raising it? >> it's not crazy. i think what is crazy is to think that the debt ceiling is the place where you have that discussion. if members of congress, i don't care if they have a "d" or an r" next to their thame, if they want to come to the white house and talk about responsible plans, for reducing the debt, for paying for our obligations, on a forward-looking basis, because remember, the debt ceiling is backwards looking, he is happy to do so. now if you're talking about spending cuts that gut the irs and enable wealthy tax cheats not to pay their taxes, you

don't have a partner in joe biden. but if you're talking about spending plans that pay for what it is you want to do, if you're talking about ideas that are going to help the middle class, lower income people, of course, he's there as a partner, he is very proud of the 1.7 trillion in deficit reduction that was achieved over his presidency in '21 and open 22 and we like to build on that. that's not this discussion, katy. that is a different one. >> what would be on the table for a discussion like that? where could money get cut? i mean is it looking into the defense budget? i mean the pentagon's budget. which by all accounts is a black hole with tons of money that, you know, for classified reasons or other reasons just doesn't get publicly accounted for? >> that's a conversation that we should have around budget time when we talk about what's on the table and what isn't and there will be a good time to have that talk. i think one thing we can talk about right now, though, because we've seen these ideas come from

the house republicans, is simply raising the revenue that is owed to us. so the first bill that house republicans said they wanted to pass was gutting spending slated for the irs that came through the inflation reduction act. now, the nonpartisan congressional budget office scored that proposal as adding 115 billion to the deficit. so the first thing that the supposed fiscal hawks want to do is come in and increase the budget deficit by over $100 billion, by letting wealthy tax cheats get away with evading their taxes. again, this is exactly the opposite of what this president wants to do and it flies in the face of tax fairness. that's the right place to start. make sure people are paying. especially those in the top 1%. paying what they owe. when it comes to negotiating spending, i'm not going to do that right here with you right now -- >> why not? it is as good of a place as any to talk about where we can make some cuts. >> you know what?

i suspect you and i could come up with pretty good ideas. this is not the way it works. maybe some day we can do that. >> i was going to say that you were skirting that question. i am curious to know where the white house believes there can be cuts, especially if we're just talking about a never-increasing debt. i don't think americans understand, we can't individuallieren in ever-increasing debt without consequences of our own lives. how is it fair that the government has this? >> that's fair. let me give you a couple of answers to this. because tease these are things already on the books and i'm not negotiating from the opposed podium as i say. cutting prescription drugs, it allows the government to use the bargaining clout of medicare to bargain for lower prescription drugs. saving money on clean energy. that's also in the inflation reduction act. these are ideas that are on the books and passed by democrats by

the way and why you would want to protect big pharma if we're trying to save government spending and health care, one of the more expensive parts of our business, is beyond me. but that is a good example, of a policy that's on the books, that will cut spending, quite significantly, over the next ten years. >> i've got no time but i'm going to ask you this, are we headed for a recession or a soft landing? >> the path to a steady stable growth transition is a credible, a plausible path, and it keeps looking more so as we see inflation reports like consumer inflation last week, producer inflation this week, six months in a row, of slower price growth, that's relief at the pump, we've seen some declines in some corners of food prices, we still have one of the strongest labor marks on record, those are the kinds of momentum, those are the kinds of things moving in the right direction that help us make this transition to a more steady,

stable growth path. consistent with a soft landing. >> so what do you think of all of the layoffs that we're hearing announced, the layoffs at microsoft, there is talk about big banks cutting back as well? >> i'm never happy to see a layoff. what i think is important to recognize is that we have a job market with about 10 million vacancies, 10 million job openings and we know from research that has been done that people who lose their jobs never something you want to see, people who lose their job, are regaining employment quickly, and that's the kind of economic dynamism that helps the economy. some of these firms actually are kind of bloated on the labor market side and cutting some unemployment, and many of those workers are finding jobs, pretty quickly, thanks to our very high level of job openings. >> currently more job openings than there are people who say they are unemployed and looking for work. jared bernstein, always good to have you. i am not having any more babies so it shouldn't be a problem

getting you back on when i'm in this seat again. >> that is a whole 'nother discussion. >> it is a done discussion. no more. thank you very much. >> good to see you. and california has become the largest state to sue major drug cases over insulin prices, along with arkansas and kansas and illinois, that filed suits last year. saying the companies engaged in unlawful business practices by increasing the cost of the drug. the inflation reduction act, a moment ago, signed in august, is supposed to put a $35 cap on insulin but only applies to medicare part d recipients meaning millions of american does not benefit from that cap. california a. g. is suing three pharmacies benefit management companies and three pharmaceutical companies which control 90% of the global insulin supply. still ahead, what neighbors of solomon pena say worried

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ukrainian investigators are trying to figure out if a helicopter crash that killed ukraine's interior minister and other officials was an accident or the work of a russian military. the helicopter went down outside of a kindergarten as parents

were dropping kids off at school. 14 were killed including one child. president zelenskyy held a moment of silence for the victims as he addressed world leaders virtually as to at the davos forum. >> >> nbc's raf sanchez is in kyiv for us. horrible news. what do officials believe happened? >> reporter: so, president zelenskyy says, as you can imagine, it is the government's top priority to figure out what happened here. he has given that task to the state security agency of ukraine. and they are saying they are ruling nothing out at this stage. they are investigating the possibility this was pilot error. there was heavy fog blanketing kyiv at the time of the crash

and looking at a technical malfunction on that government helicopter, and katy, they are not ruling out the possibility that this was a deliberate act that someone deliberately targeted that helicopter in an effort successfully to kill the interior minister and top deputies, i will tell you, there is no indication at this point that the helicopter was shot down by russian aircraft. we haven't seen any russian fighter jets over the city or any russian missiles but you can imagine with an official this senior killed, ukraine security services want to run down every lead. and the last few minutes, we have heard from the white house, from president biden, first lady dr. biden, i want to read to you just a little bit of the statement that they put out, they said today, we are praying for healing for the wounded and comfort for those who have lost loved ones. the u.s. stands with the people of ukraine, in the face of this tragedy and for as long as it takes. and katy, we were at that crash

site, in this suburb all day today, and i got to tell you, it is a very normal place. as normal as the ukrainian city can be, given that this is a country at war, and that helicopter went down, at 8:20 a.m., just as parents were dropping their kids off at that kindergarten. one child was killed when a piece of debris slammed into the kindergarten. a number of others are wounded. they're being treated in hospitals across kyiv right now. president zelenskyy is leading his nation in mourning. you heard him at davos earlier. he also now has a major hole at the top of his war time government. the interior minister, one of the senior positions of the cabinet, sort of equal to the director of homeland security, in charge of police and in charge of emergency services. an official from that department has now been appointed as the temporary minister. but it is a big job. and they will need someone it in it permanently soon. >> raf sanchez in kyiv, thank

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first, it was the federal government banning tiktok on its devices. now, it's the large public universities banning it on their wi-fi. nbc's morgan chesky explains. >> reporter: for morn than 100 million americans, it's become the go to social media app. for the latest viral dance, fashion, or recipe trends. but amid growing fears, user data could find its way into the hands of the chinese government -- >> not allowed to post to tiktok anymore. >> the university of texas at austin, with a growing number of school citing the chinese owner byte dance. explaining, it intends to eliminate risks to information contained in the university's network, and to our critical

infrastructure. >> as a creator, i'm a little bit annoyed. >> with 12,000 tiktok followers, genesis pieri calls her a micro influencer. >> the ones that i grew up watching, they didn't look like me. >> and now her push for representation could be cut short. with her student audience no longer able to communicate as freely. >> how concerned are you about the foreign entity literally spying on us. >> it is in the back of my head, like what are they doing? >> it is not just colleges. at least 31 states, including texas, have enacted some sort of tiktok ban. mainly on government-owned phones and computers. the u.s. house of representatives even banning the app on any house-issued devices. last month, the head of the fbi citing safety concerns for tiktok users. including the potential

manipulation of recommendation algorithms. >> there's a lot more worrisome, it's a lot more worrisome in the chinese communist party than whether or not you're steering someone assen influencer to one product or another did. >> they don't store the user data in china or share the information with the chinese government writing, we're disappointed that so many states are jumping on the political bandwag ton enact policies that will do nothing to advance cybersecurity in their states and are based on unfounded falsehoods about tiktok. >> morgan chesky, thank you. joining me now is new york magazine editor at large, kara swisher, the host of "on with kara swisher" and "pivot" podcasts. good to see you. what is the deal with tiktok? is it a big deal? is it scary and dangerous? >> i wrote a column two years ago saying i love it, and i use it on a phone. and i don't feel anything that

is owned or controlled by the chinese communist party and tiktok can argue that, but you can see it is happening with other companies there, they certainly have a role to play in tiktok. so i think worries about the chinese government are good ones to have, because it is depending on the worry, is it national security, is it the ability to put propaganda out there in a very subtle way, is it that we're not allowed to be china, a lot of u.s. companies aren't allowed to be competing in china and they are allowed to be here. there are all kinds of ways to argue. but whatever tiktok says, they got to assure people that the ties to the come mist party are broken and that would mean a spinoff that is owned here in the u.s. there is billions of dollars at stake among many american investors actually, who own the company, the byte dance company. tlanz are all kinds of things at play here. it is not just one thing. >> is there any idea that it

could be banned? a national ban? >> no, no, it is probably illegal. i don't know if the government has the right to do that. and there's lots of work-arounds this. they could put it off the app stores and there is pressure there, and i don't know if they would do that and it would have legal challenges and everything else. i think the issue is how account government assure, through the committee on foreign investing in the u.s., that this is, this information is controlled within the u.s.? >> let's talk about somebody that you used to know which is the title of a great hour-long podcast that you did on elon musk. >> never heard of him. >> talking about a relationship with him. and who he was. and who he is now. and where he's going. he's got this lawsuit from tesla investors over a 2018 tweet, and put it on the screen, talking about taking tesla private, and he had the funding secured. never happened. how big of a deal is this lawsuit for him? >> you know, i would say,

whichever one calls you on the lawsuit, there is some on tesla and some on the severance of twitter workers and the famous peta one, many years ago, the he won that one, the s.e.c., all kinds of things, and i think it is significant in that the s.e.c. has never put a glove on him and he has sort of misbehaved a lot and the question is, can they prove this, can they say he did this on purpose, to manipulate the stock? that's a more difficult thing. and that's what is at stake here. i suspect it is going to be a hard thing for the investors suing him to do, because it's just going to be hard. it's a difficult thing. obviously you have to prove it that he did it to allow the stock to go up and down. >> is is all worse now because of the way he handled twitter and the criticism he faced over what he is saying on twitter, who he is going after, the things that he is tweeting that he deleted later? >> it is interesting, because

that's his argument, that it is not fair, the trial is not fair in san francisco, which he tried, he has been trying to do, and it is like saying i'm a jerk, i was a real jerk, i've done jerky things, and you shouldn't put me out there because people think i'm a jerk. and i think they are not going to let him off moving to texas where he has a friendlier jury pool. so i think he's stuck with this case. but he's got a lot of others he's facing and he has reports, as we've talked about before, the advertising on twitter is down 40, 50%, and he's got some bills to pay, coming up. he's selling furniture today. i don't know if you know, the furniture of twitter is on sale today in an auction. >> that's not something i would be interested in, after looking at people sleeping over at twitter. >> some of it is cool. >> okay. but let's talk about twitter. the advertising is going. it seems like he is dismant ling

it, in his effort to sort of save it. you talk about how in the long run twitter will not be a big thing on his resume. he won't be known for twitter. it will be tesla. it will be space-x. these bigger ideas that he's backed, and then the ability to potentially change the world. how much damage can he do to those two things, while twitter is still sputtering? >> well, he is doing damage. the tesla stock is way down. obviously the government is worried about its reliance on space-x. and the more he becomes a character in the national conversation about being a troll, that's a problem for him, from a business point of view. you know, he's involved in chat gpt, he is part of open ai, there is a part of it, so that is the next trend and of course, he is involved in starlink, in ukraine, this guy is everywhere, and anything that happens in twitter in the public light tends to tarnish the other stuff as he moves forward. i don't see any good coming out for him. >> let's talk about chat gpt and

what is with the tech world and the human desire to innovate us out of necessity. i mean you have -- >> necessity? >> you can type in, write me an essay on x and it will right an essay on x, kids are using it in school and teachers are having a problem with it but as journalism company, c-net was writing all of the articles with chat gpt and editing them with an editor, why are we making ourselves out of necessity. >> maybe the stuff humans was doing was rote and silly and why she should we do it, it is creative, it is a lot of stuff you can do from computers. the way i look at it, students have been cheating for centuries, in some fashion, but this makes it easier, obviously. but what i look at, when you got spread sheet, digital spread

sheets, and you use abacuss or calculators, you plug the numbers in and they spit out, nobody complains about that, this is about text being spit into, text just being inter relationally spit into a computer and it is pushing it out. now you've read some of these things, they're not very good, they're just basically nothing, press releases why, would they be creative. you can't replace human creativity. you can replicate things people have said. and so i am never worried about stuff that is rote, and people shouldn't be doing accounting on calculators now, and abacuss anymore and lots of things and if you compare it to automation, whether you like it or not, machines are better at making cars and better at canning tomatoes and that's the way it is going to be no matter how you slice it and this is another version of that. >> the question is, if you keep automating, and you keep doing better technology to automate various industries that humans used to do, what do you do with all of those people who are out

of work? >> you think of something else. that's really true. should those be jobs for people? it is a really interesting question. we got to think about jobs are in the next century and one of the things i'm working on my book about silicon valley and my years there and the first line in the book is everything that can be digitized will be digitized. and i think that is the case. everything that can be digitized will be digitized whether you like it or not. so we'll have to be creative and figure out jobs that will not be digitized. and that's where we're going. >> part of the argument for the university income, goes back to jobs aren't going to exist, you will have to give people to survive although we will fall apart. >> not going to be replaced by matt. >> a very charming guy. >> you will be retired by then. don't worry about it. you'll be retired. >> karen, thank you, thanks for making a bunch of left turns with me. the suspect in the politically motivated attack in new mexico is about to make his first court appearance.

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yet claimed that the election was rigged. and then in the intervening months in december and january, four democratic lawmakers, prosecutors say, who were targeted, and their homes shot at, by individuals who were paid by solomon pena himself. i want to let you hear from debbie o'malley, a county commissioner here, one of those individuals tasked with certifying the 2022 local election results and just listen to her explain what she has endured over the last two months. >> well, initially, i thought somebody was banging on my door with their fist. and as a matter of fact, my husband and i both sat up at the same time, because it was so loud. and when we sat up, we realized that there were more, there was more of the sound, boom, boom, and we realized they were gunshots. >> when did it get into your head that it might have been solomon pena behind this? >> earlier on when he visited my house -- >> he visited your house. >> yes about, a month ago.

before the shooting. the first thing i thought, i'm saying to my grandkids, they could have staying the night and immediately grateful we had a wall that is adobe that stopped him. >> now, the arrest warrant there was provided by prosecutors. it lays out what is very apparently a ragtag team, there was engagement of conspiracy, in which they did not do a very good job of covering their tracks. this is what a lot of investigate, allowed investigators to come to solomon pena and provide detailed evidence that led to these 15 serious counts here, and to note, solomon pena had previously served seven years in jail for burglary and larceny here but now he is facing additional serious charges and no one was physically harmed in any of the attacks but when you see the bullet holes at the home of debbie o'malley it is hard not to consider what could have been. >> they were lucky indeed. vaughn, thank you very much. coming up next, what angry

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haven't done enough to make schools safe. pointing to three shootings in the district in the past 18 months. >> what will it take? i pray it is not a fourth shooting. >> many teachers blaming the incident on a district culture. they say at-avoiding holding students accountable for bad behavior and emboldening them to be disrespectful and disruptive without consequences. >> ask any teacher in this school district why discipline incidents declined and i have a feeling the response will be the same. infraction numbers are down because incidents are not always officially reported. >> several teachers claiming school suspensions are discouraged. because they reflect poorly on attendance records. and that can impact a school's accreditation. and they say metal detectors in every school and considering clear backpacks and added security. some of the changes are not enough for grandmother vanda

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