seven soldier amputees, already committing more than half 1 million dollars towards donating state-of-the-art limbs. >> utilizing that prosthesis to daily function, feeding, yourself stuff we take for granted, it becomes exponentially harder. >> -- quickly picking up how to use his muscles to get his new arm to lift, and his new hand to grab. all extended flexing his knee, moving without a cane or crutches. the first time the 34-year-old has done that and a half a year. >> he is very excited, and full of emotion, and he really -- he has his -- >> the most complex slim, going to dmytro, a motorized full like. >> start off with the left. like >> a little trickier to master, but within minutes, smiling he says, because it is more than he expected. demi short was a sniper in the ukrainian army, and he makes one thing clear, no translator

needed. >> you are going back to the fight? >> yes. >> he's confident eastman will find ways to fight for their country. >> it is a lot of, work it is a lot of money, it is a lot of time, why do it? >> they do not tell you, this but you can read it in their body language. they have a second chance. that is very rewarding. >> erin gilchrist, nbc news, silver spring, maryland. >> and we hope and pray those ukrainian soldiers are able to get that important second chance that they all deserve. and on that inspiration, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. do you remember italy gate, it was a conspiracy theory that made it all the way up to the white house after the 2020

election, and claim that somehow any taliban defense contractor had conspired with the cia to use military satellites to conflict votes from trump to biden. pennsylvania republican congressman scott perry was the one who brought that theory to the white house. he texted former president trump, chief of staff mark meadows, and he texted him things like why can't we just worked with the italian government? on italy gate? perry was ultimately one of just four republican members of congress that the january six committee referred to the house ethics committee prevailing to cooperate with its investigation. the others were california congressman kevin mccarthy, ohio congressman jim jordan, and arizona congressman andy bags. mccarthy is obviously now the speaker of the house. and as of tonight, perry, jordan, and bags, all three of them are officially members of the house oversight committee. the committee that under his new republican leadership has devoted itself to investigating president biden. other notable

members are announced tonight, arizona's paul gosar and georgia's marjorie taylor greene who were of course both stripped of their committee assignments last session for posting death threats against democratic colleagues. also on the committee, a far-right conservative holdouts, speaker mccarthy over his leadership like colorado's lauren boebert and florida's and up paulina luna. the new chairman of that committee has spent today going on rents on fox news and newsmax about how the bidens are secretly getting money from china, and how he and his committee are going to uncover it all. and now he has the help

of congressman italy gate and the rest of the maga dream team to help him do just that. so there is that. the first business was voting on a bill to defund the irs, as well as legislation that could object certain abortion doctors to prosecution. now we are also learning that one of the concessions that speaker mccarthy gave to hard-liners was to allow a vote on a bill to repeal the entire tax code. the whole thing. and replace it with a 30% sales tax. so that the wealthy can skip out on the troublesome income tax, and the poor are hit with a regressive fear tax. this is the stuff that is not the top of the republican agenda. top priorities for the gop led 118th congress. the thing that makes these proposals even more wild is that literally not one of them has a chance of actually becoming law. republicans can be as loud and crazy as the one in the house of representatives for the next

two years. they can vote to repeal the constitution, or the tax code, or roberts rules of order, but without the senate or the white house they will not actually get anything done. if you want to know where real power lies in the next two years, the stuff that can change the lives of americans, you have to look at these states. this was a swearing in ceremony of maryland governor westmore this afternoon. it was a huge deal. oprah winfrey is one of the speaker, so you know it was a huge deal. and westmore will go down in history as the first ever black governor of the state of maryland. but in the morning media future, governor more holds another distinct honor. there is something called a trifecta and u. s. government. those are states where the democrats will both changer members of the legislator and governor's mansion. they will not need to negotiate with people who want to abolish the

irs or hunt down italian satellites. and total, there are now 17 states with democratic trifectas that is out from just six in 2017. but the states that we are really focusing on here are the four states where democrats just won their trifecta this year. they are all am states. massachusetts, michigan, minnesota, and marilyn. republicans held at least one piece of the government and each of these states for years. but now, with the swearing in of governor westmore, all of these state legislators, and governors for those states have been sworn in and those democratic trifectas are complete. and now, democrats and the states can really get to work. in maryland, governor more and the legislator have already laid out their top priorities, increasing the minimum wage to $15 an hour, codifying the right to an abortion, and gun safety regulation. not a peep about italian satellites. legislators and massachusetts are already planning to file at least two dozen gun safety bills as early as this week. in michigan, democratic legislators have introduced bills to repeal the states and the union to work law to repeal these states zombie abortion ban from 1931 and to expand civil rights protections to include sexual orientation and gender identity. in minnesota, democratic legislators are working on legislation to protect the right to abortion, to legalize marijuana, to allow undocumented immigrants to get

drivers license, and to require minnesota utilities to move to 100% clean electricity by the year 2040. i know, we all know, things in washington are a circus right now. and for the moment, that is all they are. the state level is where the real governing is really happening. democrats have two years in power, at least. so what can they get done? joining us now are democrats when briggs, who is a michigan senate leader, and speaker of the minnesota house. thank you for being here tonight. it is good to have you with us. there is at least on one side of the aisle, a lot of excitement about what is happening at the state level. and i will start with you, winnie, how should, you know, the voters of your states that their expectations in terms of what is going to get past, and how fast it is going to get past? >> yeah, i think that you heard in your introduction how important state legislators are. so we are incredibly excited about the aggressive agenda that we are going to percio. you mentioned some of those things, we will also add expanding civil rights for lgbtq folks, defending abortion

rights here in the state of michigan, and so we are ready to get to work very quickly. we have committed to being very thoughtful and very deliberate about pursuing our agenda. but we have a lot to do. >> yeah, melissa, in terms of that, the speed of which you can act on that stuff, i mean, scott walker who is interviewed about this trifecta is not a fan of the fact that the democrats hold this much power at the state level. but he did concede that effectively, the most significant accomplishments come at the beginning of the legislator coming into power. i wonder if you agree with that and whether you think we will see a flurry of activity and these democratic trifectas in the coming months, rather than the coming years? >> i think that you will see a lot of similar work across those four states that you talked about. i think that

democrats are really united in our values and our priorities and what is wonderful here in minnesota is to finally have a minnesota senate that is also controlled by democrats. for the last four years here in the house we have been passing things like gun safety registration, and paid family medical leave. but now we have a pro-choice majority in the minnesota senate so we can actually take action and put those bills on the governor's desk. >> does it worry you that one states, let me ask you a slightly different question, the idea that states are this sort of laboratory for democracy, or just laboratories, if not for democracy as something that has been road tested by republicans. they're trifectas have outnumbered the democrats in recent years. are democrats prepared to be as aggressive in terms of the laboratory aspect of the state legislators as republicans have been in years past? and is not a political risk at all? >> i think you're in michigan we are really ready to take on

that challenge. we have got 40 years of pent up policy ideas here in the senate. and the democrats are ready to take that on. i think that we do have a narrow majority, so we will be thoughtful, we will be looking for some bipartisan cooperation on certain things. i think that we can get there with some folks. our constituents are very tired of the chaos and corruption, and the conspiracy theories that you have seen far too often coming out of michigan in the news. so we are really ready to get ready to get down to the fundamentals. so i think our legislator is ready to do that and i think our constituents are really hungry to see that from a. so i don't think that the political risk is going to be a big problem.

>> let me ask you a follow-up on that. how are republicans in the state houses reacting? i mean, i know that certain republicans have been saying it was like a bucket of cold water effectively when democrats took these trifectas. do they seem prepared to work across the aisle? do they see what is happening in washington state, that looks like a good idea, pursuing conspiracy theories about italian satellites? or do they actually want to get real work done? >> i think that the republicans clearly in michigan are incredibly divided. we will be able to find folks who are interested in doing good things for the constituents that they represent. i am confident in that. it may be tougher at

times, but i do think that hurt people we can extend a hand to and do some good policy with them. the time will tell, of course, if i am right. but we are ready to get to work and give it a try. i have been in the minority for ten years in the legislator. i know how they feel. and i was always really working on finding things that i could do for the people in my district, and i hope that they will as well. >> melissa, i mean, we are led to believe by the behavior of the republican party that there is no interest in working across the aisle. at least if you look at the 118th congress. it's a situation remarkably different associate for republicans at the state level and the state legislator in your state? >> things have changed so much. the republicans have gone so far to the right, we really have a lot of extreme right wing republicans. it's harder to find that common ground. back in the 2000s, he would have moderates on both sides of the aisle willing to work together. but i think it is harder now because there used to be pro-choice republicans. there are no pro-choice republicans anymore. so for example, tomorrow, when we asked to encode a reproductive freedom in minnesota state law, there will not be any bipartisanship because there just simply are not any pro-choice republicans. >> do you feel, do you guys, i will ask you about this, do you feel like the clock is ticking or are you confident that the measures you will and act will be so broadly popular that your

power could be cemented for years to come. you go first. >> i would just say that we have two years. here in the minnesota house, we will be up for election in 2024, and the one thing i know being on the ballot is that there's always a surprise and the election. people never get the results that they expect from minnesota electing jesse ventura governor in 1998 democrats doing surprisingly well in a midterm election in 2022. we only know that we have these two years. so we are going to make every minute worth it. and i loved hearing what you talked about. that they are really ready to go in michigan. we have been saying hashtag lfg and pg, we are ready to go.

>> i think that they provide the -- i will ask you a slightly different question, does it disturb you, or is a cause for concern that went so much action is relegated to the state level, the federal government, and its ability to act in any sort of meaningful capacity, it is an indicator that the federal government has the power, the power that it has attribute, and while it is great that democrats may be able to enshrine things like the right to reproductive freedoms, and gun safety legislation and a host of other things there are issues that demand national movement, that demand national legislation. do you feel like that prospect of that is as far off as it has been in a while?

>> i think it makes the work of the states all that more important and we need to stay focused on getting as much tennis we cannot soon as we can. we also need to be thoughtful and deliberate about those things so that we are in power not just two years, but for years to eight years, ten years, and we have got an excellent caucus, we have got incredible partner in governor whitmer, so we are very optimistic that we will be able to make a difference. really, in many cases, offset the negative impact of the unknown creativity of the congress at this time. >> can i just ask you one more question, in terms of how democrats got to power, in michigan there was an independent redistricting commission. and that wasn't 2021, it created competitive

maps. and the end result is that democrats have taken over. democrats have won the trifecta. what should we read into that? should there be more independent commissions? should we take gerrymandering off of the table? should we allow independent bodies to decide the congressional maps, to decide the state maps, and what does that say about the republican party? >> we should absolutely have more independent redistricting commissions and every state. it works very effectively here. we now have a legislator that looks like our state, not just in terms of party affiliation, but also in terms of diversity. that was made possible in large part because of a fair district that was drawn this year. so i would highly recommend that anybody who believes in democracy. and in a rare presentation, and to work for that in your state. we also have fantastic candidates who are hardworking and they give great resumes to the job. we are very optimistic about what we can get done. >> the total population of states with democratic trifectas is now close to 140 million compared with about 131 million fr do. michigan senate and spe house, ladies, t making pe >> we have a lot more to come tonight, including florida governor ron desantis's new moves to censor american history. but first, the latest on investigations into former president trump as he previews a new explanation for why there are so many empty folders found at his beach club. that is coming up next. as someone living with type 2 diabetes,

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handling of classified material, that guy has a lot to say. today, former president trump took to truth social to rail against the doj and offer his take on the type of documents that were found in his possession. remember, these were just ordinary, and expensive folders with various words printed on them. but they were a cool keepsake -- as i say, one man's cool keepsake is another one's classified nuclear document. that line of argument, that these were just folders with words printed on them, that argument is in line with previous reporting that those investigating the former president believe his motive for holding on to classified documents is all about ego. a desire to hold on to white house records as trophies and momentous rather than for financial gain. cool keepsakes. again, classified nuclear documents. last, week the new

york times reported that special counsel jack smith has asked prosecutors to stress test potential charges related to trump's handling a national security documents. and that no charging decision will be made until this summer at the earliest. meanwhile, another investigation from days past is now showing signs of life. trump's former lawyer, michael cohen, met with prosecutors in manhattan in connection with hush money payments made to stormy daniels to keep her from talking about an affair before the 2016 election. the time says yesterday's meeting with cohen could be a sign that that long dormant investigation is gathering steam. as for the fulton county investigation into trump's possible election interference in georgia, today the atlanta journal constitution reveals that they completed a report from a special grand jury investigating trump's conduct in georgia in 2020, it could be released soon, or in months. that could be happening imminently or maybe a really long time from now. which is, okay. the biggest investigation

of all, the one that poses the most legal peril for the president is the one that we have heard the least about in recent weeks. the doj investigation into trump's role into the january 6th insurrection. the latest public rumblings we got from that investigation were subpoena sent last month to rudy giuliani, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, and trump allies who were involved in spreading conspiracy theories about voting machines and fundraising ahead of january 6th. so many investigations, and so little time, or so much time as the case may be. joining us now, washington correspondent for the new york times and author of donald trump versus united states, inside the struggle to stop the president which is now out. it is a pleasure to have you on the second person here. >> thank you for having me. >> how are you looking at all of this? on the one hand, let's start with alvin bragg calling

michael cohen into testify about stormy daniels. does it surprise you that the dust is being blown off of that investigation, given how many other seemingly high priority targets are on the deck as far as investigations and potential indictments? >> if we remember the history there without office, they have this full blown investigation into trump that ended with a prosecutor leaving because the prosecutor really wanted to bring the case, and real angsty about in the office, that they were not going to go forward after doing all of this work. now, here they are all of this time later, bringing michael cohen back in. and it is hard to believe that they are bringing cohen back in just to sort of kick the tires. they probably have a pretty good idea of what michael cohen knows, and they are trying to use him in some sort of way to build something. it is that he is a very high-profile target.

whenever he goes, and it brings attention to the investigation. something that prosecutors usually do not want. sometimes they do want that public attention, but they brought cohen and here, i believe for at least the second time. and it shows something it shows a level of activity on an investigation into the stormy daniels payment, which was made all the way back in 2016. so, you know -- >> you are suggesting opaque lee, i will say, that maybe this is to pressure some other part of trump world into doing something. the person who is serving five months is allen weisselberg. a key figure in the trump organization, who for a long time people thought was going to get further pressured to flip on trump. he has not opposed yet. could this be the bid to get him to flip? >> i don't think so. because i think that he has already been sentenced. he has gone away and i don't think that they would bring him back to charge him more. i think that they probably charged him as much as

they could. but you do not engage with michael cohen in that way if you are not doing something really serious. because kicks up all of this stuff. it kicks up this speculation. like what is he doing, and what is he up to? if he is bringing him in, it looks like he is up to something. letting the new york public say what happened to this investigation? >> especially after this dramatic exit of these former prosecutors who are frustrated on the position on this. mar-a-lago, i want to talk about a bit where we stand on that. probably my favorite trump quote of all-time. remember, these were just ordinary, and expensive folders. because expensive folders would have been a whole other can of beans. inexpensive folders with various words printed on them. but they were a cool keepsake. should people be rethinking the potential indictment of trump as far as

mar-a-lago, given the position merrick garland is now in in terms of a special counsel being assigned to investigate joe biden's retention of classified documents? >> as we have looked at the question of criminality, i have understood that criminality on someone like a former president is like really, really high. even higher than i thought. and one of the parts of the questions of criminality is, if you take that extraordinary move to charge trump, let's see if he was running, would you be able to not only explain it to a jury, but would you be able to explain it to the public? with anderson where you are going to such great lengths to charge him, to use some of sacred power of the federal government on americans to charge them? i think that argument becomes more difficult, when you have the biden documents. i just think that for the justice department of joe biden, who would be running

for president, potentially against donald trump, i think it makes it more difficult. now look, the justice department will say we are going to look at the facts, all of the evidence and whatever. but i do think that that is a huge issue in question here. how will the public look at this? >> it seems like from all of the very and clear timelines that we have presented, been presented on january 6th, whether we are talking about the fulton county investigation or looking at who is getting subpoenas and the special counsel's, examination of trump's role on january 6th, that feels like it is down the line. that mar-a-lago felt for a moment like it was gaining steam, in terms of potential criminal indictment. january 6th, when you talk about the gravity of what we are talking about, it seems more plausible for criminal indictment. but the crime timeline on that scene seems like the distant future on the horizon. >> i think that you can see something sooner rather than later. they have this report that has gone from the grand jury. they have been investigating for a significant amount of time. it is a local prosecutor, which in some ways can operate more quickly than

the justice department. i don't think any institution in the country operates slower than the justice department. i think that that is probably the place to look in the near term for the most action. >> all, right listen, before we let you go, you -- is now in paperback. there is new reporting in it, i musher with her viewing public this alarming detail about john kelly, former chief of staff to the president trump and his first day on the job. in the first several hours of his tenure, john kelly learned of a rumor circulating in the west wing. the soon to be former chief strategist to trump, steve bannon, had installed some sort of listening device and the chief of staff's office. it was unclear where benin was or what he was up to and there is a sense that trump was preparing to fire him. nevertheless, the possibility that he could be listening in on kelly's first day was real. so throughout the day, as kelly was familiarizing himself with the basics of the west wing and figuring out where the nearest mints room was, he whispered as he spoke with aides like kirsten nelson, when they were in his office when kelly wanted to speak in normal tones he would step out onto the small patio gist of his office. it was like something out of a bad spy movie. i mean, it is amazing that anyone went to work for this man. and yet, steve bannon, does he still remain in trump's good graces? >> yes. >> amazingly. >> amazingly. and he received a pardon from trump and was part of january 6th. and you know, after only spending about six months in the white house -- >> and bugging the chief of staff's office. >> there was a rumor going around, that kelly was trying to get his feet underneath him and soon, comes to realize that the biggest problem is dealing with rumors and frivolousness and fights between the first lady and ivanka, and telling a morose that you can not have pool parties at the white house, all while trying to stave off war with north korea. >> who among us has not have had our office but it on the first day of work? michael schmidt, washington correspondent for the new york times, thank you for your time in great reporting. it is lovely to have you here. still to come tonight, the white house is watching what is happening at kevin mccarthy's

house, and it wants the rest of the country to know about the mess. plus, governor ron desantis has his own version of american history, and he would like florida citizens to learn on about it. keep your arms and legs inside the ride, because we are going to desantis, next. we are going to desantis, next.

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>> we reject this woke ideology. we will never surrender to the woke mob. florida is where woke goes to die. [applause] >> a few minutes ago we were

talking about states that are nearly controlled by democrats on that how their agendas differ starkly from agendas and states controlled by republicans. i think it is safe to say that wherever the gop states are going next, florida will get their first. fresh off his big second term when, florida governor ron desantis's turbo charging his war on woke. in which woke seems to mean anything wrong desantis doesn't like. the sound is goes after all kinds of things for being woke. college basketball, ben & jerry's ice cream, disney, even math textbooks. now he is slamming professional hockey. the nhl recently announced a push for more diversity in this ranks. its workforce is over 80% white and its players over 90% white. but when they announced a jobs fair in florida, desantis's office called it discrimination for the nhl to specifically invite applicants from underrepresented backgrounds. the nhl folded, and remove the job posting. so congratulations if you had keeping hockey white on your bingo card of rhonda scent's second term priorities. but it is florida schools and universities that its governor is really trying to re-caution

in an anti woke image. desantis has just pack people to florida's most progressive poet public college with handpicked allies. his ending the turn of new collagen to a conservative, christian school. these newborn members include chris ruffo, who's orchestrated the right-wing attack on critical race theory. and ruffo is straightforward about his goals. quote, we have successfully frozen their brand, critical race theory, and to the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. we will eventually turn and toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brown category. meanwhile, other florida universities are canceling their courses dealing with race for fear of being fired. today, the presidents of florida's state college is put

out a statement saying that they stand with governor desantis and will not let evil critical race theory invade their campuses. also today, the state board of education finalized rule that could seize school librarians prosecuted for having undesirable books in their libraries. undesirable to desantis and his allies. and in a final flourish, today, we learned desantis has rejected advanced -- and 60 schools across the country, but apparently in the state of florida, that curriculum is against the law. the conservative national review reported excitedly today on a letter that desantis sent to the college board that says quote, the content of this course is inexplicably contrary to florida law and significantly lacks educational value. and it invites the college board to quote, come back to the table with lawful, historically accurate content. all of this is bad enough for the people of florida, but it may concern all of us outside of florida if desantis really is on his way to a presidential run. joining us now is the end

of the columbia journalism school and is stafford or at the new yorker. dean cobb, thank you so much for being with us. i think that there is no better person to put into perspective how damaging this agenda is, in terms of education, and higher education. can you give us your thoughts on the moves that the desantis administration is making to censor the teaching of history and race in this country? >> sure. this is a very practical point to this. they are trying to eradicate the history of the civil rights movement, among other things. weirdly enough, the civil rights movement is what made it possible for those universities to be so prominent in the first place. the quiet part of this narrative is that certainly black people in the south benefited from the civil rights movement, this second biggest

beneficiaries of the civil rights movement were the southern business class and universities. it is chambers of congress that we're hoping to modernize the south which was viewed as an economic and intellectual backwater by most of the country. so in this march backward to make this heavy-handed the talk about what can be taught and what can't be taught, we are pushing these institutions back into the past. so good luck and keeping them there. good luck and attract getting the top students. and good luck with maintaining the rankings that make these universities and the south competitive in the first place. this is the kind of march with maybe the people who were in those crowds cheering, but none of those people are going to be responsible for what happens when the universities start catering in terms of their prestige and regard to which people view them. >> i just wonder if this isn't -- i mean, it seems at least from the support that desantis receives in certain corners, that is part of this obsession with turning back the clock, as you, said not just in the civil rights era, but the intellectual flourishing of ideas that happened in higher

-- institutes of higher education in the 60s and 70s. and the bringing a more inclusive, progressive youth into the ways that we understand the cannon and history, and a number of other things. and the right seems to be very preoccupied with that. it is like they lost the culture war at large so they are going to wage it in the halls of education. my concern is that there are republicans all over the country that look at what ron desantis is doing and say hey i want to do that in my backyard. i want to do that in my state, i want to bring that kind of curriculum to wisconsin, or other parts of the country where -- or virginia, where you have glenn youngkin, the governor who expressed support for this kind of stuff. does that concern you?

apart from what it does to the university system, what about the general public in the states? >> sure. it has negative implications all over the place. one of the bizarre ironies of the situation is that when rhonda sentence, in denouncing the ap course, use the language of saying that it was discriminatory, that setting these subjects would be discriminatory, implicitly discriminatory against white people, the weird thing about that, the really weird thing about that is that people who were scholars of critical race theory will tell you that the theory basically holds that -- in a society that is racially driven as this one, people will use antidiscrimination tactic it's in order to further the cause of actual discrimination. so in short, ron desantis is practicing critical race theory, and doing exactly this. he is

validating the theory in these actions. so, the implications of this are all over the place. the last thing i think is very important to note is that the kind of protections that we have, and the academic freedoms that we have in this country are overwhelmingly a product of what happened during the cold war, in the mccarthy era. another point at which we saw heavy-handed attempts to try to dictate what people cut and could not learn, people being prosecuted, people using their jobs for teaching facts that were accurate but uncomfortable. we are yet again having a march backward in the pages of history. >> i wonder if you look at this holistically in terms of the supreme court taking up affirmative action and this movement that we now see that suggests that efforts to diversify bodies, whether they are school bodies, whether they are corporate work rooms, whether they are the nhl are fundamentally anti white. and that they are reversed discrimination. that seems --

that theory, well fringe, now seems to be more widely accepted at anytime since i have been alive. is there any way to turn back the wheel to get back to sanity as far as what we are talking about when we are actually talking about diversity? >> sure. so, when you cited those numbers, the nhl's workforce being 84% white, it's players being 90% white, and you look at the fact that whites are about 60%, or 61% of the american population, you say there is a disproportionate representation there. rather, an underrepresentation of other groups. so to frame the efforts to diversify, as discriminatory, they are in effect saying that you want to uphold the kind of discrimination that has already resulted in people being so poorly represented in that one area, we have a lot of other areas of american employment, and universities, and so on where we could find the statistics. so i think that is what is really at the heart here, to try to frame, the upholding of the status quo,

and really validation of the worst seasons of the past and try to frame it as an actual civil route you. >> validation of the worst sins of the past, that is what is actually happening here, i think it is really important to make that the headline rather than we are pushing back against some marxist liberal ideology that is trying to brainwash everyone's children. dean of the columbian journalism school, and writer at the new yorker, it is great to have you with us, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> we have more to come tonight, coming up, it has been almost a week since kevin mccarthy finally won the speakers gavel. can he make it another seven days? that is next.

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taylor greene, paul gosar, lauren boebert, scott perry, andy biggs and anna polina lola, folks who have established themselves as firebrand extremists. they haven't given important roles to play in the 118th congress. in fact, all of those people i named now sit on a very important house oversight committee. with powers to investigate the biden administration and the federal government more broadly. the question now is how other

members of the republican party react. people like senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. or any of the house republican moderates. or the biden white house. now we've got a taste of what that might look like today when the white house issued this surprisingly combative statements regarding those republican hard-liners. quote, it appears that house republicans may be setting the stage for divorced from reality political stunts. instead of engaging in bipartisan work on behalf of the american people. oversight chairman james comer once said his goal was to ensure the committee's work is credible. yet republicans are handing the keys of oversight to the most extreme maga members of the republican caucus. who promote violent rhetoric and dangerous conspiracy theories. joining us now to predict what is going to happen is brendan buck, former -- john boehner and an msnbc political analyst. brandon, this is not your father's white house in terms of a republican takeover of the lower chamber. think back a few could to 2010 after the, quote unquote

shellacking that president obama received. republicans took over but it felt like the general attitude, the position in that white house was far less tenacious than this one. what does that tell you about how this is all gonna play out and the advantage democrats seem to have? >> yeah, i think the white house very clearly sees an opportunity here. and i don't blame them. this is what i've been, hey, as a republicans as what i've been worried about this whole time. that there is going to be republican overreach. you are going to have people with big platforms who are gonna make the party look even crazier than it already has looked. and it's gonna play into joe biden's advantage. look, this is what happens, i appreciate you saying, you know, we worked quite the same in 2010, 2011. look this is the same thing that happened with barack obama. he was very unpopular. we got swept into power in the house. and used it to his advantage.

he played office is still same thing that bill clinton after focused over the house. he contrasted with a house republican conference that frankly motivated a lot more by playing to the base than solving average peoples problems. and i think what we are seeing here is you have a bunch of members who care a lot more about owning the lives than they do about solving problems. and the white house sees it. it is pretty basic politics. they will probably use it to their advantage to try to get the president reelected. >> but don't you feel like the biden white house is taking more of an aggressive stance in the white house did in the immediate aftermath of the midterms. and i will say i am not, going to parse when we talk about obama's port popularity. joe biden didn't have a major, midterm losses were not what they were supposed to be if you listen to what kevin mccarthy was saying. i mean, it seems like this white house is very confident in its position right now?

>> yeah, i mean, i think they are trying to define the terms of the debate here. i think that was a mistake that the obama folks made when we came in in 2011. we defined what we are talking about in 2011. it was about fiscal issues. we forced them into a negotiation on the debt limit. we control that narrative. at least for a little while we were able to get things out of it. i think they have learned their lesson. obviously joe biden was part of the white house. you are the president, you are the biggest megaphone, you can decide what people are talking about. you can shape the narrative. i give them credit that is what they are doing here. look, if they can make marjorie taylor greene the face of the

republican party, they should absolutely do it. i'm totally understanding the play here. so, you know, it is pretty basic politics. and frankly i don't know that there is a whole lot of opportunity for republicans, responsible republicans if you will to rein them in. i don't know that kevin mccarthy has any real political capital to tell marjorie taylor greene or paul gosar to, hey, knock it off when you start going down crazy rabbit holes. and that is the reality that they are gonna be facing for the next two years. >> what does mitch mcconnell think right now? as he gazes upon the lower chamber? >> well, i think mitch mcconnell is probably also himself in a bit of a legacy mode. he is probably in his last term. he has just gotten himself to

be the longest serving leader. it was very notable that first week of congress. you know, he was out there with joe biden talking about infrastructure. mitch mcconnell understands that the party has an image problem. you know, it is a policy problem, but as much as anything, it is that people think we are not a serious party with serious people. and he wants to, you know, he had a bunch of primaries in the senate where he would like to be a majority leader right now. but he is not because a lot of senate republican candidates won their primaries that had no chance of winning a general election. and doesn't want that to keep happening. so he is trying to reset the image of the party. but it is really hard. it is really hard when you have people who are jumping out and trying to get in front of the cameras and dominating, you know, the conversat the to. limelight, mitch mcconnel ace on or ll try to >> andompetition forhe light, mitch mcconnell versus lauren boebert an marjorie taylor greene i know where the money is a. we're in the, puck former to agent to speakers ryan and boehner. thank you as always, it is great to see you >> thank you, alex >> we will be right back it's hello, team earth. [clap] age-related macular degeneration may lead to severe vision loss. and if you're taking a multivitamin alone, you may be missing a critical piece. preservision. preservision areds 2 contains the only clinically proven nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk

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