this. because it is important. it's something that maybe happening below the surface on the local level. this man in new mexico in the name of the big lie almost killed a bunch of people. >> his own ini january 6th. and that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage. 10:00 a.m. eastern. i'm jose diaz-balart. the u.s. could hit its borrowing limit today. setting the stage for an intense battle on capitol hill where republicans say they will not raise the debt limit without major spending cuts. former treasury secretary lew will join us. president biden is now headed to california to tour the catastrophic damage left behind by a string of powerful and deadly storms. we'll break down what this means for vulnerable communities now struggling to recover. also this hour, an nbc news

exclusive report reveals federal investigators are looking into whether 50 children were vitims of human trafficking amid allegations they were illegally employed to clean slaughter houses. we begin with a high stakes fiscal fight now underway here in the nation's capital. the treasury secretary said today could be the day the u.s. reaches its borrowing limit. once that happens, the treasury department will start taking extraordinary measures to make sure the nation pays its bills, but those measures could run out sometime in june. now it's up to congress to raise the debt limit. many republicans say they will not do so unless there are cuts in federal spending setting the stage for an economic showdown with democrats and the white house which insists the debt ceiling increase is nongauchable.

>> it's something that should be done without conditions. we should not be negotiating around it. it is the duty, the basic duty of congress to get that done. so we're not going to negotiate about that. >> with us now to talk about this is senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, and business and data reporter brian chung. brian, what is the debt ceiling? why is this important? >> imagine that you have racked up $1,000 on your credit card, but you only have $800 to pay off that bill. that's the limit we're talking about. it's a cap on how much the government can borrow to pay its bills. it has nothing to do with whether money goes to defense or infrastructure if they can't pay

the bills maybe they have to cut spending and funding and things like social security or medicare. so the question naturally, what now that we passed the limit today. there are extraordinary measures to get us through early june. so things i mentioned with social security, that doesn't happen today, but that's a conversation once we get closer to the summer. but it's important to note we have had this battle many times before. since 1960, congress, which sets the debt ceiling has either raised or suspended it 78 times. hopefully history is on our side. >> why are we at this situation now? >> there are republicans in control of the house and a democrat in control of the white house. republicans tend to fight hardest around the issues of raising the debt limit when there is a democrat at the other end of pennsylvania avenue. we have seen this particular republican conference,

particularly the tar right membership try to hold their leadership's feet to the fire. they want to make sure every opportunity is used to control federal spending. expect to see them fight on raising the debt limit and pass ing the appropriations bills later in the year. this is going to be the consistent theme in this congress. >> we're seeing today there's a deadline. will this fight go down to the fire just taz did in 2011? >> i think that's very likely. today's deadline is functionally meaningless to congress because they all know these extraordinary measures can be used until probably june at the earliest, perhaps even later in the summer. as we discussed in so many other contexts, congress is very deadline oriented. it's highly unlikely they solved this too much. both parties are pretty dug in. the white house says they don't want to talk at all. and the house republican conference is saying they want these big but yet unspecified

cuts to federal spending we're a long way from a resolution on this. >> thank you both so much. with us now to continue our conversation is someone very familiar with all of this, jack lew, who served as treasury secretary during the obama administration. what can you tell us about the extraordinary measures? >> it's good to be with you, jose. these extraordinary measures are not an extraordinary as they used to be. since they developed in 1990 when we faced the first real threat of default, they have been used over and over to just try to extend what the real deadline is. the problem is that you don't know with any precision when the revenues come in sporadically when payments come. you can count in mud april and that will give you a better idea than we have now about what the runway on revenue is. but bills come in to be paid day

to day with wild fluctuations just as what comes in. it's very dangerous to play and get down to the wire to thes last minute game on the debt limit. >> just the fact that we're at the limit there and that they are essentially as you're saying playing with this, that in and of itself has consequences. >> yeah, i think it has real consequences when the debate is joined as unless you do what we want, we will default. that's not the basis for a discussion about policy. that's a form of policy extortion. it cannot be the way we deal with the full faith and credit, the united states paying bills that it's already incurred. it would be like any of us saying to our credit card companies, well, we spent that money, but now unless you do something that you don't want to do, i'm not going to pay my bill.

you can't do that. when you hear talk about the different mechanisms that could be used if we hit the deadline, the real deadline, you're already in a very, very bad place. there is no good solution if you don't extent the debt limit because you'll default on an obligation of the united states. >> i understand that secretary yellen sent a letter to congress this morning saying that the treasury department would begin using extraordinary measures now. i'm just wondering with what you know and your experience, what's going on in the department now today. >> there's a daily process of looking at what the cash balances are to see when you have to take one or another of these steps. these extraordinary measures have to be executed properly in order to make sure that ultimately everything is fully back where it should be. because what it really means is moving money from one account to another and repaying it at a moment when the debt ceiling has

been raised. it has to be done carefully. when it starts to gret to be get to be much more stressful is you get into that period if the estimate is now in june, starting in april, may, you'll be looking daily at what the numbers are in terms of the flow of cash to get a much better sense of when you're going to hit the deadline. it used to frustrate congress terribly that i wouldn't give them an exact date, but as treasury secretary, you don't know the exact date. you can't take the risk of crossing the line and not being able to pay the bills. >> how is this going to impact all of us? we're talking about these numbers and the extraordinary measures. how is it going to be reflected in our everyday lives. >> well, the impact comes in many forms. if we get into may and june and july and this debate looks like it's in a place where it's not getting resolved in a straight forward way, markets will get a lot more nervous than they are

today. you saw that in 2011 and in 2013. you saw a run up in interest rates. you saw it affect consumers and their mortgages. you saw it affect the market for treasuries where some awe set managers said ween can't hold any treasuries that are going to mature when the treasure are you might not be able to pay. if we actually were to cross the line and get to the point where we didn't pay our band-aid holders or didn't pay citizens who are waiting to get benefits from the federal government, schools that are sering lunches to students that don't have the funding. the electric company that puts on the lights in federal buildings, you get into a place that affects every aspect of american life. the idea that you can pick and choose what bills to pay just doesn't work. >> if you were speaking to the president and giving him your advice, what would that advice be? >> i think the idea of not negotiating with there's been a

threat to the default is one we did in 2013 and it was the right thing to do. there's a separate issue about fits policy. those issues do need to be divided. you can't negotiate when someone is taking us hostage the full faith and credit of the united states. on the other hand, you can have separate conversations about policy. when you have a divided congress, ultimately, you need to have that kind of a conversation. this is not the way it's been debt set up by the congress. i would push back saying separate these issues. >> jack lew, i can't thank you enough for being with us. >> it's good to be with you. i wish we weren't having this conversation. >> i hope we don't have to continue this conversation through to the summer. still ahead, nbc news exclusive. dozens of children, some as young as 13, going to school by

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14 past the hour. president biden is en route to california where he will tour the damage from a deadly string of powerful storms. but looming over the white house is the controversy surrounding the classified documents found this president biden's home and former office in d.c. and a new report in the "washington post" details how the matter escalated from a mundane investigation into a political liability for the white house. joining us now is "washington post" white house reporter tooul tyler pager, and susan page for

"usa today." thank you both for being with us. tyler, your story says the white house hoped for a speedy resolution with the actions they took, but instead ended up with a bit of a fire storm. >> from the first moment that those documents were found a at the president's former office at the penn biden center, the lawyers took steps to cooperate with the department of justice hoeching that the steps they took would result in a speedy review and what became an investigation. but now as we have seen over the past few weeks and months thrks has turned into a sprawling investigation into has led attorney general merrick garland to appoint a special counsel. the story today details the steps they took from the first discovery to the appointment of the special counsel. the cooperation they tried to follow with the department of justice to ensure that their have some of the similar problems donald trump has faced with his handling of classified documents, but ultimately, it

has sprawled into much bigger than a small review of a few documents. >> there are zero similarities with the trump case, with the exception that we're dealing with some documents that were classified. this will not impact the president's 2024 ambitions. he plans to launch his run after the state of the union. can he recover politically from this story? >> sure, he can. but it's going to be around for awhile. it is damaging. there are big differences with between how president biden has handled this the way donald trump has handled this for sure. they are both cases with sloppy handling of very sensitive documents there's so hutch we don't know. we don't know how exactly they came to be found in his home and garage and office. so these questions have to be answered before the story can be put away. >> what are the questions other than those that you think they

still need to answer? >> i think obviously there's a lot of questions about what were in those documents. that's a key one. and also what was the process by which they ended up. who was responsible for packing up the documents? what did president biden know, if anything, about the documents being stored this. there are very careful processes that government officials take to ensure the safe storage of secret government documents. clearly, those processes were not followed so there's questions about how that came to be. >> new polling shows 6 in 10 voters feel the president acted inappropriately on this matter. you see this is going to continue? you're saying there are steps. if this is cleared up, is this something that you think was going to be seeing going forward? >> it's damaging. that doesn't mean it's crippling. it doesn't mean you can't get beyond it. the white house has not handled this this a smart way so far.

they didn't release thfgs when they got it. they have been incomplete when they dealt with news leaks about it. so every president except barack obama faced a scandal or an appointment to a special counsel. there's a template for responding to it. put everything out. even if it's damaging. this is not poicy that the white house has followed so far. >> is it a messaging thing more than a specifics and how they handled this specific? >> it's much more on that front. when i spoke yesterday or this week with former senator doug jones, we talked about this. he's a former prosecutor and ally of the biden white house. he said on the legal rules, they followed it extremely closely. they did the proper steps to ensure authorities were notified.

but what the problem was was on the communication front. when had they first said that they were under investigation, they just talked about the first bch of documents. and every day there were more revelations. that hurt them from a communications standpoint and from a transparency standpoint. >> tyler pager and susan paige, thank you for being with us. i appreciate you coming in and having the time with us here on msnbc. the president makes his way to california, we're taing a closer look at the impact of those deadly storms on vulnerable communities. take a look at this video from the united farm workers showing workers during a break in a rainstorm. s that out in the field picking celery, using plastic smocks to stay dry. but keep their arms free. this is during the storms. one seasonal worker told nbc news he, quote, went from earning $700 a week during the prime picking season to $67 a week on unemployment. he was living off bread and water. joining us now is -- for those

who are not ensured or don't have the ability to miss work for a day, what's the impact of this extreme flooding on the communities? >> the impact really cannot be overstated. we have seen this time and time again in california first with wildfires and now we're seeing it with flooding. feem have insurance, they are able to rebuild. they are able to build stronger and better than before. without insurance, people are really kind of left to their own devices. sometimes is the case with one of the people i spoke with for the story. he, his wife, his two children, his mother-in-law and father-in-law are all living with his sister-in-law and her entire family. now we're talking about more than five or six people under one house. he's just living day-to-day. he's depending on other people in the community. people are coming together. they are helping each other with

food donations they are helping each other with living accommodations, but the road to recover can take years. we have fema that comes in. they often provide some temporary housing. then the permanent housing and the long-term is really up to that individual. it depends on their ability to speak english and navigate a complicated system that requires a lot of filing of paperwork and claims, sometimes getting a lawyer. and if people don't speak english or their immigration status is a little bit ten wous, that can also lead to big problems in the long run. >> we have been showing this video it you're listening to us on radio, i wish you could see it later. it's folks underneath the most intense part of a storm.

a the lot of the areas are flooded, but there they are out there many on their hands and knees tending to the crops and the vegetables that we eat and find on our markets. think when you talk about fema help and all these other helps, it does matter that they may not speak english, but there are a lot of folks that don't have document asks don't have access to that help. >> that's part of why it can take years if longer for people to recover. and it's really important for organizations like the united farm workers union. they are able to kind of come in and they shoot a lot of the footage that we're seeing there. they have people on the ground to speak on behalf of the workers. they also take donations they also help people when they really need it. however, that's just a union. so again, it really comes down to community.

thankfully, a the lot of people live in intergenerational homes sorks that helps a a lot with the ability to spread out what needs to happen. the farm worker i spoke with who went from $700 to $67, he is living with his two adult children and his wife. they are all farm workers. and they are all out of work right now. so again, pulling together, helping other people in the community, depending on them as well 73 a lot of those people have lost their homes. this is really a ten wous situation for a lot of people. >> president biden ordered federal aid to help in recovery. the governor signed an executive order to boost the storm response. is any of this going to make it to the vulnerable communities in central california? >> a lot of this goes to infrastructure. that's something that i discussed with researchers at at the university of california. they were looking at how flooding in california, specifically they were looking at los angeles, but they said their findings apply to the

whole state. what they found is low-income communities that tend to be black and latino are overly affected by flooding. they are also at greater risk of flooding. part of that problem is infrastructure really tends to focus on high value property and businesses. and big homes and coastal communities. the infrastructure is lacking in places that tend to be on lower land, which is where a lot of these communities live and work. so what you're seeing is this massive disparity where people are going to have to rely on each other and on more sort of volunteer organizations because federal dollars tends to be towards helping more on the infrastructure on the cleanup side and communities really have to talk to their own elected leaders. they have to talk to each other to get those efforts together on the ground while the federal government and while the state is stepping in to fix the big picture problems.

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29 past the hour. now to headlines from beyond our borders. in a stunning development, new zealand's prime minister announced that she will not seek reelection and will instead step down next month. she became the worl's youngest female leader at the age of 37. her last day in office will be the 7th of next month. the prime minister addressed her decision during a press conference earlier today. >> i know i no longer have it in the tank to do this job. >> the country is now without a single lawmaker in the senate. after the terms ended. haiti has failed to hold elections since 2016 and not elected a new president since the assassination of their

president back in 2021. the country is facing extreme poverty, gang violence and now a cholera outbreak. in ukraine, the mayor is calling for three days of mourning following yesterday's helicopter crash that killed 14 people including the interior minister. an investigation is now underway to determine the cause of the crash. in mexico, authoriies discovered 269 migrants including 20 unaccompanied minors packed inside a tractor-trailer near its southern border. s that's in one trailer. the migrants who are from south america were taken to determine their status. a federal investigation in children found working in slaughter houses. the want department of homeland security investigators are

looking into whether 50 children, some as young as 13 were allegedly illegally employed to clean slaughter houses were victims of labor trafficking. this a statement to nbc news, a spokesperson for customs enforcement said doo to an ongoing investigation, we cannot comment at this time. joinings now is one of the reporters behind this exclues julia ainsley. your reporting investigates that investigators done ent have any indications that company would have trafficked these people? >> it's an ongoing investigation. they are at the phase where they are interviewing children. a lot of these children are afraid to talk to investigators, especially those from dhs. many of them have been brought into the country illegally. but this phase we have no indications that they have found evidence that the company could have trafficked them. that doesn't rule out the possibility that other people often can traffic children, can traffic anyone for labor and

find ways to force them to work and to profit off of their labor. so homeland security investigations is look spoog this now. the company, who employed them, said they have not been contacted by detectives dhs and they follow the law. but right now, still a lot of unanswered questions about how 50 children between the ages of 13 and 17 ended up working the graveyard shift to clean the kill floor in a slaughter house in nebraska. >> so is it common practice for 13-year-olds in this country to be hired to work in slaughter houses cleaning up the corpses and blood? >> it's illegal. this isn't the first time this has happened. there's been police reports in this same town with the same company in the past, there were minors. now the company says that they go through e-verify. they believe all these people are adults. we have pictures of the way these slaughter houses look. where people are working in some very dangerous conditions. a lot of the pictures are of adults, not of children because we can't show minors, but you

can see these are dangerous conditions. some of the children were reportedly showing up at school with burns on their hands because of the very toxic chemicals they were using. there's been cases where adults were decapitated cleaning equipment like this. it's not safe. sometimes migrant children especially fall vulnerable to practices like this because they are desperate trying to make money and often living under the radar of the law. >> when will we know if these were migrant children that came across the border without their parents and they are being exploited but now here in the united states. when are we going to know this? >> it's hard to know when the investigation will wrap it's joint between dhs and the labor department. there's an ongoing court case. my colleague has been all over this since the beginning. >> julia ainsley, thank you. you're always doing such great work. thank you for shining a light on this. coming up, why george santos is being called a, quote, dead

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powered by innovation refunds. 38 past the hour. now to the latest on the controversy surrounding new york republican congressman george santos. santos is firing back against a claim he performed as a drag queen calling it false. saying he will not be distracted or phased by it. in the meantime, there's new evidence refuting his claim that his mother was at the world trade center on 9/11. immigration records obtained by a researcher shows his mother was in brazil at the time. santos did not respond to a request for comment on this story. and disabled veteran says santos raises money for his therapy dog but he never saw any of the money.

the dog never received the treatment and later died. santos did not respond to a request for comment, but he told some the story is not true. he also just released this tweet, as i say hello to former florida congressman, now an msnbc political analyst, you want to read you what congressman santos said. he says, the reports that i would let a dog die is shocking and insane. my work in animal advocacy was a labor of love ask hard work. over the past 24 hours, i have received pictureses of dogs i have helped reduce throughout the years. just thinking you're a former congressman. you work here on capitol hill. through halls and in the floor. how much of this affects a member of congress from doing his job?

>> jose, good morning. certainly, george santos, i heard you describe earlier, is dead man walking. we don't know what's going to happen to him legally. there's some exposure there for sure. but in congress, people need to trust you. people need to take you seriously if you're going to be an effective representative for your district. it you're in congress because you want to be on tv and draw attention to yourself, there's certainly people doing that these days. but if you want to be an effective representative of the district that can advance your community's priorities, people need to trust you people need to respect you. anyone who talks about george santos who are is a member of congress, either laughs at him or is disgusted by him. so it will be very difficult for him to get anything done on behalf of his community while he's serving in the house because people don't trust him. and trust is the currency that makes congress work. the few times that it does work

these days. >> the reference to dead man walking, your former colleague from new york was the one that wrote that in an op-ed as long as saabs to remains in congress, he's a dead man walking and will be unable to get anything done for his constituents. so is there a way out for santos ask one that would keep him in congress? or is it just too much and done? >> this is a matter of time. the best case scenario for santos it he does want to remain in congress, he will serve out this term, finish the 118th congress, but he's not going to get reelected in his district. that is a swing district. sometimes members that have ethical challenges can survive in very partisan districts, but this is a swing district.

his own party in nassau county in long island doesn't the him. so he's not going to survive an election and we'll see if he survive vooifs think criminal process he might undergo. this vl a matter of time. that's another factor. it's like someone who has already announced their retirement. we foe that when members of congress announce a retirement, their power, their influence drops immediately because colleagues don't expect that they are going to be around. that is the case for george santos today. so again, the biggest tragedy here is for the residents of long island, who elected him not knowing the truth about him, because they lack quality representation in congress. >> i thank you so much for being with us this morning. appreciate it. up next, new details about the suspect in the killing of four college students in idaho. what a newly released search warrant reveals about what police tound in his apartment. you're watching "jose

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murder of four university of idaho students. court documents revealing that police seized from the suspect's apartment chemical resistant black glove, multiple hair strands, pill let case and mattress covered with a reddish stain and a dark red spot. they also seized the suspect's computer tower and another electronic device. the documents do not include any test results. it's also unknown what they found in the suspect's computer. joining us now is senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. what are the biggest take aways from the search warrant? >> a couple things to note here. the single biggest piece of evidence they possibly seized here is the computer tower. they want to get the digital footprint to figure out what in the world was he digging into prior to these killings. if they think they can piece together the planning because

they believe it was the murders appear to have been planned. so the digital footprint could prove valuable, depending though on what they get. it could be a dud. there could be nothing on that computer tower at all. that's one of the key issues to watch out for here. >> what about the items seized. the hair and the what does that tell you about how they are building their case? >> the physical evidence could be really important. in a crime as gruesome as this, where there are stabbings involved, you'll be looking at blood evidence. you'll be looking at the hair, and the possibly animal hair. that's parent because we know that at least one of the victims had a dog and was on the scene of the crime that day. so if that is the same hair from that dog, that could be a crucial piece of evidence with prosecutors. it could be crucial. >> what about the fact that the actual murder weapon has not

been found. is that crucial? >> it's curious, but it's not fatal to the prosecutor's case. think about the cases you have seen where they didn't find the murder weapon. they will say this is a criminology student. he knew how to cover his tracks. they will the to point that out to the jury. they want to understand where the murder weapon is. and so you can see defense attorneys possibly harping on that as well 37. >> thank you so much. it's good seeing you. next hour, a santa fay fete district attorney will announce will charges will be brought in the shooting on the set of "rust." a cinematographer was killed when an accidental round was discharged by alec baldwin during a reharsal. the director was also wounded. prosecutors say the announcement will be a solemn occasion with a statement to be released online without public appearances by prosecutors. up next, more than a half million people living in the united states are living with the fear they could be departed

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54 past the hour. every day, every day nearly 600,000 people in the united states live with the fear that at any moment, their lives as they know it could abruptly end

in the united states. daca has given more than 800,000 dreamers who entered the u.s. as children temporary paperwork to live and work here for two years at a time. these are people who got here and know no other country than the united states. a federal judge ruled it illegal. now daca's fate is up to the court, putting recipients who established lives here over the last decade back at risk of losing their protections. with us now is maria praeli, government relations manager at forward.us. tell us what daca means for so many. >> daca is a temporary protection from deportation and work authorization. it gives individuals a lifeline. it allows us to work and in many

states it allows us to access a driver's license and drive freely without the fear of deportation. and it has been tremendous. it has been so successful, as you mentioned, over 800,000 people have qualified for the program since it was created and we estimate that about -- the average daca recipient came when there were 6 years old and has been here for 24 years. since based off taking applications, roughly 400,000 people, like myself, are eligible for daca but have been blocked from accessing it and getting all those really amazing benefits that have really transformed my life and the lives of hundreds of thousands of other young individuals in this country who call themselves american and are in every way shape and form except on paper. >> we spoke on msnbc nine years ago. do you remember that? >> i do. >> it was 2014. you had just been at the white house.

you had met with president obama who created that executive order. what has daca meant for you and how have these last nine years been for you in this country? >> i came here when i was 5 years old. like many other documented other individuals, i didn't learn or comprehend that i was undocumented until i turned 16 and i couldn't get a driver's license and i couldn't get financial aid for college and i couldn't get a job. and i started to understand all the barriers that came with my status but had such a hard time because i felt so american, i played on the basketball team, i marched in the memorial day parade, i have all of these friends and memories and relationships in the country that i call home and daca really was able to transform the way that i envisioned my future. it was announced on the last day of my senior year of high school and instantly, i can envision going to higher education and using that education and degree

with the work authorization that daca provides. it changed my life. and now years later, i can look back at how transformative it has been for me, but also how much pain and angst the past few years have held. you've seen different legislative fights occur and it's so heartbreaking that we're still in a place where individuals like me and so many others are living in two-year increments not knowing what their future holds, not knowing in a few months if a court is going to issue a decision that is going to pull the rug from under our feet and we are no longer going to be able to renew our application. as you know, jose, congress has to act. it is in their hands. if they don't, people like me will continue to live in these two-year increments not knowing if they're going to renew their document one more time. >> i think so much of so many people that i've had the privilege over the years to meet and who tell me -- and i'm talking about parents who say, i don't know how to tell my child

that next year when they're eligible for a driver's license, that narrow not going to be able to have a driver's license, that they're not going to vote. i haven't been able to tell them that that's their reality going forward. and i just wonder, you know, right here on capitol hill, it's in their hands. and there's so much talk about, oh, the border and immigration, but then there's also this. this is a group of people who know no other country but this one. do you still live with hope? >> i have to be hopeful and remind myself that i am here and so many others like myself are here because of perseverance from not just ourselves but our parents and families. and the american public is with us. polling after polling shows that they're supportive of this and its politics that continue to get in the way and politics require compromise and so many other components. but i hope that leaders in congress, in government can be reminded of the morality of this issue. how are you going to look

someone in the eye who has been here for 20-plus years who many of us are married, have children -- >> you don't know any other country. >> we went to school with your children. many of us are teaching your children. we stepped up during the beginning of the pandemic as nurses, others who were part of making sure this country and the american public was able to get through this really tough moments that we face together. we're so integral, we're all over society and how are you going to look us in the eye and say, sorry, you have to be deported or you can no longer work, we don't know what your future holds. how are you going to look at a daca recipient who has a usa-born child and tell them that they might be separated from their kids. >> let's not spend nine years between conversations. let's continue your conversation. >> of course, jose. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. more to talk about on this issue. we're not going to forget it.