switch us to xfinity. those smiles. that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> why should i be limited, why should anybody be limited because someone has made an accusation? everybody in america is innocent until proven otherwise.

i get accused of all kinds of things every single day as does every member that serves in the public eye. but that doesn't stop you from doing your job. it is our duty, and it is my duty. >> the fbi just seized my phone. oh, yes, congressman scott perry under investigation by the doj for his role in the plot to over turn the 2020 election, will now be part of the investigation into his own investigation. just the latest in a long history of republican oversight madness. >> also tonight, two big depositions. fox's main man, rupert murdoch, under oath today about his network's role in pushing false election riggling theories as donald trump makes a very telling mistake in the e. jean carroll rape allegation lawsuit. >> plus, florida students can take a.p. courses in italian culture, german culture, and japanese culture, but ron desantis has decided learning about african americans, quote, lacks educational value.

but we begin "the reidout" tonight with the republican circus that has officially come to town. the party has filled out their roster for the house oversight committee, whose official mission is to insure the efficiency and effectiveness of the federal government. with the lineup of insurrectionists and trolls, they have insured that it will be all biden investigations all the time, no matter how frivolous, and who knows, maybe they'll also investigate whether the moon landing really happened or tell us who q is at long last. and understand how we got here, this particular corner of hell, look no further than this guy. >> we at my house with a homicide detective tried to re-create a head and fired a 38 four-inch barrel into that to see if the sound could be heard from 100 yards away, even though there was an earth mover moving around in the background, and you could hear the bullet clearly. >> that was then indiana republican congressman dan burton in 1994, describing how

he shot a watermelon in his backyard. according to burton, it proved that former clinton deputy white house counsel vince foster whose 1993 death was ruled a suicide, was actually murder. by the behest of the clintons. after all, who could refute his backyard forensic experiment. why does that matter? well, two years later, dan burton became chairman of the house oversight and government reform committee. and took his clinton obsession there. he went after the clintons' cat, socks, demanding answers about why taxpayers were fronting the bill for white house staff to answer letters addressed to the feline. and in 1998, he told the indianapolis star, quote, if i could prove 10% of what i believe happened, bill clinton would be gone. this guy is a scum bag. that's why i'm after him. over the course of his chairmanship, dan burton issued more than 1,000 subpoenas targeting the clinton administration and democrats at a cost of $35 million.

burton's commitment to being a massive headache for president clinton set a tone for the unserious way republicans have treated the otherwise serious oversight committee ever since. fast forward to 2010, days after the tea party swept republicans into power, the incoming oversight chair, california republican darrell issa promised hundreds of investigations telling politico he wanted seven hearings a week times 40 weeks. he investigated a full complement of fox news fever dream conspiracies. fast and furious or solyndra ring a bell? issa's hearings were full of theatrics especially when it came to their favorite cat toy, benghazi. >> our goal in this investigation is to get answers. because their families deserve answers. >> there are four people that were not safely evacuated. >> we're going to find out what happened in benghazi. i don't give a damn whose career

is impacted. >> ah, the sirkish has continued ever since. the panel is where screaming jim jordan made his reputation and in a 2019 hearing, then ranking member mark meadows gave us this moment of prop with trump housing official lynne patton during questioning of trump's former lawyer, michael cohen. >> you made some very demeaning comments about the president that ms. patten doesn't agree with. in fact, it has to do with your claim of racism. she says that as a daughter of a man born in birmingham, alabama, that there is no way that she would work for an individual who was racist. >> not going to say that herself. look at her standing there. she's black, is she not? is she not black? but kevin mccarthy handing out seats on oversight to a veritable joker's gallery, republicans are poised to send the koo-koo committee into overdrive, with members like

scott perry who led the effort to try to install jeffrey clark as attorney general as part of the scheme to use the justice department to overthrow the 2020 election. last year, perry had his phone seized by the fbi. and the doj investigation of the fake elector plot prior to the attack on the capitol. perry also sought a pardon in the weeks after january 6th, according to the house january 6th committee. in fact, his name is all over the committee reports. perry was referred to the house ethics committee for refusing to comply with a subpoena. he was also a conduit for the conspiracy theories directly to donald trump, namely italy gate, an absurd claim that an italian defense contractor had conspired with cia officials to use military satellites to flip votes from trump to joe biden. but despite all of that, kevin mccarthy and republicans saw fit to place perry on a committee with oversight of agencies that have investigated the scheme to overthrow the election, like the

justice department, for example, which has investigated scott perry. what could go wrong? joining me is kurt bardella, a former spokesman for the house oversight committee, and stuart stevens. you're in the hot seat first because you were saying quietly that you're having post traumatic stress disorder. you worked for darrell issa. you saw the unseriousness with which the committee could descend. what are your expectations now given the fact that scott perry is -- tell us about working there. what was it like? >> it's interesting because in the very beginning, the oversight committee was not supposed to be this partisan stomping ground. there was a time where they did serious and legitimate oversight, things like the bp oil spill, investigating the financial institutions. totally perfect use of oversight authority. and then it got hyperpartisan. remember, at the same time this was going on, this is also when we were hearing all the noise

about barack obama's birthday certificate. >> that's right. >> that's when the crazy started happen, the tea party revolution that paved the way for the maga revolution came to congress. as those members infillerated the ranks of the oversight committee, that's when you saw the crazy. it's now something to watch those very members, who were freshmen at the time, now become serious players within the oversight committee, within the republican conference where they can literally hold the speaker of the house hostage so they can advance the radical agenda of conspiracy theories and lies. >> scott perry is not as well known as some of the other koo-koo members of the republican house, but he's the head of the freedom caucus, which makes him the head of probably the most powerful caucus in the house. and just an element from his long history of conspiracy theories. in january 2018, perry speculated about an islamic state connection to the mass shooting in las vegas the previous year, contradicting law enforcement's assertion that the accused gunman was working alone.

i smell a rat. he sounds like dan burton. this guy doesn't seem all the way, i don't know, the plug isn't plugged all the way into the wall. and yet, here he is on this committee alongside 16 out of 26 members of the committee are election deniers. how is that going to work out? >> well, joy, there's a long and i don't think you call it honorable tradition that perry is falling into. dan burton, who was investigating the clintons for sex scandal, had a child to a woman he wasn't married to, he had to admit. darrell issa was arrested as a car thief, so now, charged with a felony. so now you have perry who has was still will not admit that joe biden is a legally elected president. he endorsed mastriano, who was a guy who hired people and paid them to come be part of this insurrection, paid for their transportation. look, this is very bad for the

country. but i have to say, in a political sense, it's going to be good for democrats, because nobody cares about this stuff. and these are just nutty, unserious people. i mean, the more democrats could put marjorie taylor greene on the ballot, the better off they're going to be. this is somebody that doesn't think that we should be sending arms to ukraine. she's a putin republican. so this is going to be good for democrats. >> i think that, and i think they agree with that. and by the way, you did notice byron donalds is also on the committee. speaking of marjorie taylor greene, just because i think -- i'm telling you i really would love to ignore her, but because she is the boss of the speaker of the house, we can't ignore her. she has actual real power. let me play what she said about hillary clinton in an allegation she made in 2018.

this is a person who is going to be conducting oversight over the white house and over the government. marjorie taylor greene, everybody. >> i could dive into kennedy getting killed in a plane crash because isn't it interesting that he had announced he was going to run for senate just before he died in a mysterious plane crash. but anyway, so that's another one of those clinton murders. >> kurt, she thinks that hillary clinton killed jfk jr. and she's a qanoner, so she thinks he's also still alive and a trump supporter at the same time. that person is an extremely powerful now member of the congress, and arguably the boss of the so-called speaker. >> oh, my gosh. i mean, again, this is what happens when you have this ultra

maga wing now hijack the entire oversight agenda. be in a position to issue subpoenas, have depositions, target people, to bring these conspiracy theories to life. and it shows you the left of how unserious this entire thing is. for all their talk about wanting to conduct serious and legitimate oversight, when you put these people on there, marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert, scott perry, 14 people who are elengz deniers, that tells you everything you need to know. eric swalwell called it yesterday, insurrectionist llc. would you really ask -- hey, let's have al capone investigate elliot ness. like pablo escobar went to jail in a prison he built guarded by his own people. that's what this is becoming. >> i would say the other thing is it's going to give lie to the idea that anybody should take their subpoena seriously. some refer to the ethics

committee for refusing the subpoenas. jim jordan looks at subpoenas and laughs at them when they're for him. why should any democrat or anyone do anything but laugh at these -- at this committee's subpoenas? >> you know, i think that this whole attack is part of a republican attack basically on these foundations of our civil society. they won't admit that the president is legally elected. they don't really want -- subpoenas, what are they? i think, look, i spent 30 years pointing out flaws in the democratic party, but i think the democratic party has much more respect for the rule of law now. you can disagree on this policy or that policy, but this is really how you destroy a democracy. a democracy is based on good will and some sort of civil contract between those you elect and those who elect them. and they're just tearing that apart. they don't care about this. and it's incredibly dangerous for the country. >> it is. it is. i mean, you can laugh about it,

but it is -- you never forget that it's incredibly dangerous. as goofy as these people are, they're also incredibly dangerous. thank you both. up next on "the reidout," rupert murdoch is deposed in the $1.6 million defamation suit brought by dominion systems. this is jabra enhance select. it's a smart hearing solution that makes hearing aids more convenient and less expensive. it connects with your phone so you can stream calls and music. with jabra enhance select, better hearing doesn't have to start in a doctor's office. it starts with a free online hearing test you can take almost anywhere, so you can get your hearing aids custom programmed for you and delivered in days. from there, you can fine tune your settings with your remote audiology team seven days a week, so your hearing aids work when it matters most. take it from more than 95% of our customers

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president joe biden will win pennsylvania and nevada, putting him over the 270 electoral votes he needs to become the 46th president of the united states. >> that was fox news on saturday november 7th, 2020, joining the associated pres, cnn, and our network in declaring joseph biden the winner of the presidential election. this came just days after fox was the first to put arizona in biden's win column. news that sent trump into a fit of blinding rage and led to his son-in-law calling the company's ceo, rupert murdoch, demanding his make his network retract the call. when that failed, trump went all in on the big lie. >> this is a fraud. and the american public, this is an embarrassment to our country. we were getting ready to win this election. frankly, we did win this election. >> while fox news would not

retract its call, it did find a different way to help trump. and its own ratings, by perpetrating lies that the election was stolen from trump. one of their top targets was dominion voting systems, a company that supplies voting machines to roughly two dozen states. and in that capacity, they were accused by trump and his lackeys of stealing votes from trump and giving them to biden. while most of us called bs on that, fox became a warm petri dish for those lies. >> dominion software system has been tagged as one allegedly capable of flipping votes. >> don't forget, still serious questions about the integrity of dominion. all i know is democrats, the media, and republicans prior to this election agreed. >> dominion is calling all of the allegations that you and rudy giuliani and jen ellis have made absurd. your response in. >> it's almost laughable. they have closed up their offices and moved elsewhere.

>> those false claims led to a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit by dominion that accuses fox news of knowingly encouraging on-air personalities to perpetrate these baseless claims for ratings. according to media matters in a two-week period after the election, fox questions the results or pushed conspiracy theories nearly 800 times. some will say that's just the opinion of folks. that's not trueeter. again, according to media matters, more than a quirter of their news stories also cast doubt or pushed conspiracy theories. at the heart of dominion's lawsuit is that fox anchors and hosts knew these were lies but kept pushing them anyway. all the folks i just showed play a starring role in dominion's lawsuit. last month, according to "the new york times," sean hannity, who was deposed in the trial, seemed to buttress dominion's claim by telling lawyers he did not believe for one second any of the stuff he spent hours talking about on his show. and in september, dominion

lawyers also uncovered an email from a fox producer pleading to keep jeanine pirro off the air because she was pushing conspiracy theories from the dark web. today, a guy who signed their checks, 91-year-old rupert murdoch, was deposed in the same lawsuit. his son lachlan was deposed in september. dominion is trying to prove they both knew the election claims were false, even as they continued to encourage them on the air. joining me now is jeremy peters, "new york times" correspondent and msnbc contributor. thank you for being here. i just want to start with the kind of atmosphere in which this was taking place. because fox news election center actually does a good job. and they called accurately the election. but the reaction to that was to threaten boycotts, to say they were never going to watch again, and there was a ratings potential impact there. it seems what they did after that by jumping on the bandwagon of the big lie was to keep their

viewers from fleeing to oann and newsmax. is that the way it looks to your reporting? >> so joy, that's at the heart of dominion's case. that fox news needed to keep its viewers, needed to rebuttress its viewership, and in essence, told their audience lies to make that happen. because fox news initially, and we can't overlook this, because as you say, the decision desk was a really important part of what happened in 2020 in declaring trump's defeat. told the truth. they said that trump lost. and that was unpalatable to the fox audience. and once the fox audience started to flee, dominion's case is effectively that fox hosts maria bartiromo, jeanine pirr lou dobbs lied to their audience and did so by saying the

election was stolen from donald trump. and the case that dominion is presenting to a judge right now, which is one of the most extraordinary cases that we have seen of defamation law in a really long time, i mean, think about this. the chairman of the board, rupert murdoch, his son, the ceo, lachlan. all these hosts, sean hannity, tucker carlson, jeanine pirro, they have all been deposed in this lawsuit. that doesn't happen in an ordinary lawsuit. so to get -- so for it to get this far really shows how serious this is and how big and persuasive of a case that dominion has against fox. and what they have to prove to your point earlier, is that fox lied. that the people inside fox news knew that what they were putting on the air was wrong or they knew that it at least was

probably false. and that's all they need to convince a jury. this is barreling toward trial, and we have not seen that kind of defamation trial against a major media company in a long, long time. >> right, and they have to know it was false. this isn't a matter of being wrong. you have to actually for the defamation case to go forward, you have to know it was false. so i want to talk about rupert murdoch and lachlan, but rupert principally, because prince harry has described him as probably the most dangerous human being in the last century because of the misinformation he pushes through all of his outlets. he said he can't think of a single human being in the history of the species has done more collective damage to our sense of reality, and he also was disgusted by thefrightened minions who do his bidding for him, his code of flunkies, young broke desperate men doing whatever was necessary. how much control does rupert murdoch himself have over fox

news versus lachlan? because i think people were accustomed to seeing roger ailes as the king of fox news. once he was gone in a sex scandal, how much control does rupert murdoch have over the editorial, over the things they're saying? >> that is the question that's at the heart of the case. because if dominion can prove that rupert murdoch knew that the allegations and some kind of text message or email, which dominion has access to. let's not forget, one of the things we should not forget, they have been granted extraordinary access to the text messages of sean hannity, lachlan murdoch, rupert murdoch, all these people. if they can prove through the text messages that rupert murdoch knew this was bs, then that's the case. right? i mean, and it's very rare that you see a clear cut defamation case like this. and what we know through my

reporting and through the reporting of others who have been following this case is that a lot of people, like sean hannity, tucker carlson, even suzanne scott, there ceo of fox news media her self have expressed serious doubts and outright incredulity about what these claims against dominion were. so it's a very strong case. libel experts tell me first amendment experts tell me they have not seen a case like this that is this strong, and when it goes to trial, then we'll see. >> and we should note that they didn't take it back. they did air these little sort of a short sort of interview where they kind of tried to make it look like they were at least challenging the claims, but just to be clear, they never took it back, right? >> they didn't. and joy, that's a very good point because in not taking it back, they opened themselves up to further legal liability.

one of dominion's biggest claims is that fox never retracted the dominion falsehoods. they retracted some of the smartmatic, the other company, which your viewers may or may not know about. smartmatic was this other voting company that was the subject of conspiracy theories. fox retracted that. they didn't retract the dominion ones. and that's a big, big legal distinction. >> very interesting. going to be a fascinating case. jeremy peters, thank you very much. great reporting. >> still ahead, guess which republican governor has blocked teaching advanced placement courses on african american studies in his state. i'm not going to tell you his name, but his initials are ron desantis. back in a second.

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two days ago, florida governor ron desantis wished america a happy mld cay, while misquoting the several rights leader. all the while blocking an advanced placement course on african american studies. in a letter last week, the florida department of education informed the college board which oversees ap course work that it would not include the class. saying the course is contrary to florida law and now hear this, significantly lacks educational

value. significantly lacks educational value. what was that part again about the reverend dr. martin luther king jr.? the letter didn't cite which law the course violated, but it's aimed at eradicated the teaching of history in favor of education that lionizes people who look like ron desantis. look at which courses are deemed educationally valuable. european history, of course. along with courses on the history and language of italy, where desantis' family hails from, germany, and japan, which happened to be the exis countries the u.s. fought in world war ii. whether he thought italy was the bad guy in the war, that's up for debate. joining me is jelani cobb and steve gallon, dr. steve gallon,

school board member for miami-dade schools. i want to start with you first because the sort of context in which ron desantis is deeming african american studies to be without educational value is taking place in a state where the white population of the students in public school is 36%. the non-white population including 21% who are african american, is 59%. so it seems to me that if ron desantis is saying that the history of 21% of his state has no educational value, it's harming them and it's harming all of the students. i'm wondering how this is going to play out in a place like miami-dade county. >> thank you for having me, joy. it's going to play out significantly. number one, despite the fact it's going to have a significant impact relative to educational access and equity, it runs counter to current florida law. current florida law stipulates

that black history shall be taught in all schools throughout the state. the history of slavery, history of the middle passage, the history of the civilization of africa from egypt, the abolitionist movement, the civil rights movement and the contributions african americans have made to this country. so to the extent you have a segment of students that are going to be denied access through the advanced placement course which has a significant economic impact because students who take that course earn that credit, that credit counts toward college credit. that's a significant economic impact it would have on the students. yes, it's going to be pervasive, but i think it really speaks to the issue of the level of ambiguity as to why. >> i took a.p. classes in high school, and you choose the classes. not everyone is forced to take a.p. classes. you choose to take them because you want the college credit and you want to get into a better school. so what desantis is essentially saying is that the only valuable

advanced placement class for a florida student are classes that are about europe or the other axis countries. it's not that he's saying you can't teach black history, but here's the evidence it's how you teach black history that he has a problem with. desantis when he was a high school history teacher, this is a quote from one of his former students. he was in a private school in georgia. mr. desantis was mean toward me and hostile toward me, said the student who graduated in 2003. not aggressively but passively because i was black. she recalls him teaching civil war history in a way that sounded to her like an attempt to justify slavery. when i add that to the fact he's going after the national hockey league because they dare to recruit non-black people, essentially saying you may recruit white people and continue to keep a very white league white, but you may not try to recruit minorities. i'm not saying ron desantis is racist, but to quote andrew

gillum, i think the racists might think he's racist. >> sure. so here's the bizarre contradiction here. i want to mention the names of harry t. and harriet moore. the civil rights workers in florida who were killed by a bomb that ripped through their home in 1951. they had been teachers, members of the naacp, organizing voters in bruvard county, florida. they had been fired by the state for activities in the 1940s for daring to organize black voters. and then they were assassinated. decades later, the state of florida placed their home on the historic register as penance for having taken part in alienating these people before they died. so we can have their home on the historic register, but in florida, you can't tell why

their home is on the historic register. and so what they're attempting to do is amputate the present from the past so we'll have no rational understanding of how we got to the situation we have at the present moment. i would like to say that this is a shocking development. but if you go back and read w.e.b. dubois' treatise on black reconstruction, this is exactly what he said people did in the immediate aftermath of the civil war. we shouldn't be shocked to see this happening again. >> the daughters of the american revolution, the pro-confederate groups that insists we can only teach slavery as happy slaves. if we do that, i promise an a.p. class that taught that, that slavery was good, because it seems per his former students he wanted to teach history of slavery as sort of gallant slave owners who were kind to their happy slaves. he's cool with that.

if the a.p. course said that, he would be fine with it. i also think you have seen the revelation of what this is really about. a guy named stanley curts claims he read the story, the curriculum and he said the larger danger is these courses if they're approved will see the college board devise a.p. students in women's studies, trans gender studies, studies that have politicized higher education. doctor, in your view, is this an attempt to shut down the teaching of not just black history but any history but the hallmark card of white and european history? >> i wouldn't want to speculate on what the intent is, but i would say although we want to focus on black history, and we often think that black history is something that's relevant to black students, black history should be relevant to all students. knowledge is the bridge to understanding. so although i appreciate the data that you cited around 21% of the students in the state of

florida are black, there should be access to this information to these factual history accounts relative to the contributions, relative to the struggles, relative to the achievements of blacks, that should be accessible to 100% of the students in the state of florida. that is what access is about, and that's what education should be trying to espouse. >> amen. we're not europe. we should be able to learn about our own people, about african americans and not say we can only learn about europe. it is absurd. jelani cobb and dr. steve gallon, thank you both. we'll be right back. hi, we've both got a big birthday coming up. so we have a lot of questions about medicare plans. we've got a lot of answers! how can i help? well for starters, do you include hearing benefits? how about a plan with dental, vision and hearing benefits?

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sheila jackson lee has devoted her entire political career, indeed her entire life, to a single cause. shrinking about white racism. that's what sheila jackson lee does for a living. what she's doing here every day is leveling a racial attack of blood libel against an entire group of americans while simultaneously pretending to be a victim of attacks from the same group. >> it should come as no surprise to you that tucker carlson was on the attack, caterwauling about a publicly prominent black woman. it's kind of what he does for a living. but the specific brand focused not just on attacking congresswoman sheila jackson lee of texas, but also a bill she's proposing, hr-61, leading against white supremacy act. it would expand the scope of federal hate crimes to include acts inspired by white

supremacy. the intent is to strengthen what are presently weak federal hate crime laws and to allow for the federal prosecution of people who commit or provoke deadly and race based attacks like the ones we have seen in places like charlottesville and buffalo. tucker and others on the right including lauren boebert are claiming this bill would make, quote, a mockery of the first amendment and criminalize free speech, because it includes the potential to prosecute people who publish white supremacist conspiracy theories like tucker's favorite, the aforementioned white replacement theory or boebert's jam, qanon, to inspire those who might be vulnerable to suggestion to commit these crimes. congresswoman, i want to zero in on exactly that point. because people -- let me read from the law a little bit. it talks about being able to prosecute a person who engages in a conspiracy to engage in white supremacy inspired hate crimes.

this conspiracy shall be determined to exist between two or more persons, at least one of whom published material advancing white supremacy, antagonism based on replacement theory, or hate speech that villvies or is directed against a non-white person or group. they're saying that a reasonable person would be able to determine whether that speech motivated actions by a person who commits a violent crime. i think that is why tucker carlson is upset about the law, because he is one of the people who promotes white supremacist ideology. does this bill allow potential prosecution of people like tucker carlson? >> first of all, thank you so very much for having me. the bill has nothing to do with speech. you know, i was thinking about the pledge of allegiance and it says justice and equality for all. and i would offer to say that everyone deserves justice and equality.

it seems that the right wing extremists, the violent extremists, don't want that to happen. this does not criminalize speech. it's a crime bill, a criminal law bill. which means that intent would have to be proved that what generated out of that speech or your intent was to provoke someone to violence and that a violent act did occur. mr. carlson or anyone else chooses to speak in ugly terms, his speech is protected. it also is not a guarantee that white supremacy is promoted only by people who happen to be caucasian. it is a philosophy. it is a philosophy and a point of view of that director wray has spoken about now for almost three years. that white supremacy is the largest part of domestic terrorism. and domestic terrorism is larger than our fears of years back of al qaeda. i want to insure we had a bill

to address that. >> i asked that question because you think about tucker carlson or someone who might say sort of tucker in training in nick fuentes, who pushes these ideas that white americans are being attacked. he literally came out and accused you of a blood libel against white americans implying there's going to be some genocidal result of non-white people speaking about racism. that is a prominent feature on the right. and what they're fearful of or angry about is that the speech that christopher wray, the fbi director, says is the most toxic and is the most dangerous to our national security is right wing white supremacist speech. so that's thewing white supremacist speech. that is the reason i should not be shocking that a lauren boebert, for tucker carlson will be upset about it. how do you address those fears that these kinds of laws would, specifically, target right wingers? >> it's difficult to read a bill, i know that you've just

read it. first of all, it is a certain section with rate race, ethnicity, religion, and white supremacy motivated. it is a hate crime legislation, it is not a free standing bill, and it is a conspiratorial point that it is evident to drive the perpetrator and there was a replacement theory there. for emmanuel, they came to start a race war. as well, in texas, with mexican americans, this individual drove 400 miles in order to, specifically, kill mexican americans. we've noted individuals who are pushing white supremacy views. it is not about occasions, it is not about the first amendment. it is an anti-hate ground bill,

and we need to be punished. it was someone that was injured because of it. it was saying that jews shall not replace me. i just want to say, about the terminology that was used, it is a gentleman that was used in a wide range of services, it is a pandemic, and individuals. putting that aside, it is the target they use frozen antisemitic term. blood libel. you can research it, and find out, he's using an anti-semitic term. who does he think will welcome that kind of interpretation? again, he has a free speech right to say it, and he cannot be criminalized for saying that. so, he did say the words that someone can be offended by, but it is not under this particular

bill. it is about speech that jeopardizes an individual's life, and liberty. >> i for 1 am not surprised, because white replacement theory is, itself, an antisemitic trope and saying that they're perpetrating this so-called replacement, you are a decent, wonderful person to be surprised by him in any way. in the great state of texas, thank you so much for being here, and explaining your bill. stay with us, we will be right back. ight back ♪ ♪ it's what sanctuary could look like... feel like... sound like... even smell like. more on that soon. ♪ ♪ the best part? the prequel is pretty sweet too. ♪ ♪

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history of saying his many sexual misconduct accusers must be lying, because they are not his type. most recently, he has applied this to e. jean carroll who alleges the trump raped her in the dressing room of bergdorf goodman in the 1990s. here is how she described the alleged assault to me, in 2019. >> i walked in, right in front, and he shut the door, bang, right against the wall. >> immediately upon walking with -- it >> right against the wall. i am going to love kissing this guy, i was so surprised. >> did he say anything? or indicate trying to get consent from you? did you want him because you? >> i guess this is what he thought -- >> that he could do. he thinks because this is liberty, he can discuss it?

>> he can do what he wants, that he can take credit, wants yes. >> carol, currently suing trump for defamation. thanks to a definite deposition in october, that was just released yesterday, we now know he has made, what could be, a major misstep in the case. despite repeating his claim, multiple times, that carole was not his type during the position, when showed a photo of himself with carole in the 19 80s, he wound up confusing her with his second wife, marla maples. at first, seek claim to not know the woman and then said, oh, it's marla. when carols lawyer asked, are you saying that marla maples is in this photo? he replied, that's marla, yeah, that's my wife. his lawyer had to tell him, that's carole. interesting so he can't tell a woman of his type apart from one of his lives? she's not my type, is basically, his entire defense. the deposition also revealed some, unsurprisingly, disgusting comments about trump. who had real, if i did it

energy. simultaneously arguing, the rape did not happen, when making this false claim about a carol interview. saying, quote, he indicated that she loved, it okay? she loved it, until commercial break. in fact i think she said it was sexy, didn't she? she said is very sexy to be raped. didn't she say that? actually, she said, she shied away from calling her alleged encounter with trump or rape, because the word has so many sexual connotations, and as a fantasy for some weirdos. trump was also asked if he ever kissed a woman without her consent and he replied, i can't think of any complaints. the case is expected to go to trial. that is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes, starting right now. arting right now >> tonight, on all in. >> i got a knock on the door, i went to the door, there are three fbi agents. >> he is a key figure and trump's attempted coup, who saw a pardon in