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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," joe biden hits the halfway point of his presidency embroiled in controversy. finally breaking his silence over the handling of classified documents. >> i have no regrets.
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i'm following what the lawyers have told me they want me to do. that's exactly what we're doing. there's no there there. democrats brace for a difficult fight to hold their senate majority through 2024. florida governor ron desantis is appealing to the maga crowd with controversial policy moves against the national hockey league and schools. the future of abortion rights as anti-abortion activists hold their annual march today in washington. an eight-month supreme court investigation fails to find the culprit of last year's leak of the supreme court decision overturning a half century of legal precedent. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where after ducking the issue for days, president biden has now defended his office's handling or the mishandling of classified
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documents, answering a reporter's question during a tour of the storm damage in california. >> we found a handful of documents were filed in the wrong place. we immediately turned them over to the archives and the justice department. we are fully cooperating. i think you are going to find there's nothing there. >> joining me now, monica alba, peter baker, michael steele and in virginia, capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. monica, the president had a prepared statement clearly ready. very carefully lawyered. ready for the question. the press corps is hearing new voices outside that the president is not happy about any of this. what about the communication strategy? >> if you asked anybody in the white house whether they would have some do overs, most would
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concede yes. given the criticism, the pressure, the mounting unanswered questions. when it comes to basics in terms of why the white house waited so long to reveal this and then how the documents got there in the first place, why the president's attorneys were the ones packing up that office here in washington, d.c. there's fundamentals that they haven't addressed. after days of ignoring questions, the president needed to read this statement. what stood out to me is that most of the times when the president now has been talking about this, he has been reading from something prepared very carefully crafted, wanting to say the right words. not wanting to go beyond what likely his team of attorneys are telling him he should be sharing. when he did kind of end the statement yesterday before wrapping it up, it seemed ad libbed where he said, there's no there there. the key line was that he said he had no regrets about the handling. with so much still unknown, we
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need to wait to see what else -- where there could have been other decision making points about sharing more information or being more forthcoming. is it true that he doesn't have any regrets about that? i think that's something that down the line when we learn more they will have to examine. it's coming at the same time where the president is trying to point to what he has been able to do in the last two years as he is making the most consequential decision about the next stretch and this potential 2024 bid that before all of this all signs pointed to yes. it still seems that way. biden aides maintain this isn't going to change his decision making or the time line of it. but we had been hearing a few months ago, perhaps there had been a discussion about having this out there already, this month, before the state of the union, which is scheduled for february 7th. now we are hearing this likely won't come until after that. >> i think, in fact, my reporting as well is that there were discussions about having it at least weeks or even a month
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earlier. a very early announcement. it's still earlier, even if it's right after the state of the union. i think president obama's second term announcement for re-election was april. there's some running room there. peter baker, before giving that answer in california, you could see the president frustrated he was asked about documents during a tour of the damage and his frustration with the situation. this is not a man who likes to be reading from a carefully prepared statement when he feels aggrieved. it's clear he feels he has done nothing wrong. he knows enough about classified documents, having dealt with them for ddecades, foreign relations chair and vice president and president, he knows that this was mishandled. no one answered why they waited so long so it's dribbling out, but also what happened to the documents before they got to the penn biden center, which didn't open until 2018?
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what about the other -- that other interim period, where were they? >> exactly. there are a lot of unanswered questions. the white house is making clear they don't want to answer them any time soon. their position is that to give too many details would be too forthcoming and it is to complicate the investigation and it might be contradicted, which they don't like and has happened, as we have seen as monica outlined. they made a calculation when they first found these documents starting on november 2nd. they were going to be forthcoming to the archives, work with the justice department but not be publically transparent. the reason why, as they calculated it, was they thought they could convince the justice department there was no there there. the justice department would take them -- agree with their assessment it was an innocent mistake and that would be the end of it. they wouldn't have to suffer any
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bigger consequences. to make it public, to tell the press, to tell the american people would only be to stir trouble, to create something that would pressure on the justice department to appoint a special counsel, as they have done, and perhaps offend the justice department or fbi by seeming to litigate in the press. they decided to take this gamble where they are playing to the justice department even at the risk of looking like they are covering up to the general public by not saying anything for two months and then not giving all details. it didn't succeed in forestalling the appointment of a special counsel. they hope it may succeed by convincing the justice department and fbi they are handling this differently than, say, former president trump's lawyers who seemed to stonewall and obstruct justice, at least in the view of the federal prosecutors. >> the justice department has pushed back saying they never told them they couldn't talk about it. there seems to be a lot of distress in the white house.
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they felt they had their hands tied for a certain period by the justice department investigation. or is that just a pretext? >> look, the justice department doesn't tell you, you can't talk about it, as explicitly as that. they made it clear, they would prefer you not. they would just as soon that the people they are dealing with keep their mouths shut. the biden white house decided that was the better course for them, even at the risk of what they have gotten. they are paying a price for that strategy. it may or may not have been a good one. they had a thought in mind that it was better to look to the justice department like they were cooperating than to reveal it to the public at a time when they weren't ready do it. >> michael steele, let's talk about the house republicans, james comer and the judiciary and oversight committees gearing up. is this going to be an enormous
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headache over the entire biden re-election campaign, assuming he is going to run? or will the republicans overshoot and do what newt gingrich did against bill clinton with the first impeachment and shoot themselves in the foot? >> i think there's the potential for both of those things happening at the same time where there is going toe about a media circus created around this, whether joe biden is running for re-election or not. that's just going to happen. it just is. but then the other edge of that sword is, do you wind up cutting biden or cutting yourself? in other words, getting so far out there on such a ridiculous platform where the evidence does not indicate the level of hyperbole or require the level of hyperbole and noise the republicans are making.
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i give you benghazi. i give you 11 hours of going after secretary hillary clinton doing her hearings. only to come out of that and the country scratching their head going, what was the point? so there's that narrative. the other way this actually gets even more deflated is to the reporting that we have talked about that there is no there there. that all the steps and all the actions by then vice president biden and president biden, relative to finding out afterwards these documents were in his possession, that they were handled properly. there was no nefarious activity. biden had no contact with those documents in the time that they were in those locations, et cetera. it takes a lot of the steam out. again, you have to report that. you have to tell the public that.
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they have been circumspect getting what the justice department says about not getting ahead of your skis. they have created a little pocket for -- a hole for themselves. >> ryan, i want to switch gears. you are in richmond where tim kaine has announced that he is seeking a third term. former mayor of richmond, former governor of virginia. easing democratic fears about holding the senate in what can be a hard-fought race for democrats in virginia. >> yeah, that's right. there's no question that this was a very close call for national democrats. tim kaine told us today that he has been grappling with this decision for several months. he didn't decide fully until last week. then he even marinated on the issue, as he said, for seven days before coming to a final decision of which he didn't even inform his staff of until 9:00 last night. he told us that he still believes he has work to do.
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take a listen. >> in conversations with friends and especially with ann and my family, i decided to run for a third term. i'm a servant. i love virginia. i'm proud of what i have done. i got a whole lot more i want to do. there's a beautiful line, always do for others and let others do for you. it makes me happy to serve others. >> what's important to point out here, that if tim kaine did not run, that would have likely put virginia in a battleground position in 2024 on a map that's very difficult for democrats if they hope to maintain the majority. virginia has been a pretty blue state basically since obama won it in 2008. if he were not in the picture, republican resurgence is possible. >> especially with a republican governor. tim kaine, former vice presidential candidate, former
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mayor. he was a peace corps volunteer. his wife is the daughter of a governor. he is a singular figure in virginia politics. question to you also aboutthe challenge to sinema. >> the map is really starting to shape up. we should point out warren saying she's going to run. in arizona, there could be a battle. sinema saying that she is going to run as an independent. so that's a state democrats have a real risk of losing in 2024 depend on how the map shapes up. >> they could divide those votes and elect a republican to the senate. thanks so much down there in richmond to ryan nobles. ahead of the 50th anniversary of roe v. wade this
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after an eight-month internal investigation, the supreme court says it cannot prove who leaked the draft opinion of that decision, rolling back nationwide abortion rights. the announcement on the eve of the 50th anniversary of roe v. wade establishing a constitutional right to abortion. anti-abortion advocates are in washington for their annual march for life. the rally for the first time is not marching to the supreme court. they no longer have an issue with the supreme court. now opponents are refocusing their fight for tougher restrictions, zeroing in on local pharmacies and providers. women's rights propnents say it reminds them of what women lost.
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more than 26 million women now live in states that have banned abortion. 60 anti-choice bills have been filed for the 2023 legislative sessions. here with me is nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, who covers the supreme court, cecil richards, kimberly adkins-store and victoria defrancesco. kelly, let's start with the unprecedented breach at the supreme court. what details are in the report? it was done by the federal marshall. it was an inside report. they didn't bring in the fbi. they didn't bring in other forensics. how are both former president trump and the biden white house reacting? >> reporter: there were big expectations for this internal review. they did have the michael
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churdoff group look at the work done. the bottom line is they found no one responsible. to sort of explain that unsatisfying answer, they gave us some of the details. they said they did 126 formal interviews. that was focused on 97 employees of the court. one of the interesting things that came of that is that they found that a number of employees acknowledged that they had shared with a spouse that they were aware of the draft report and the vote count relating to the dobbs case that overturned the constitutional right to abortion. they also had done forensic and other types of analysis on things at the court like the machines that would be used to print documents or to share these classified -- not classified, highly sensitive pieces of the thought process that the justices were using. the work of the court that is on
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an honor system really. how is that information shared? they tried to trace the steps of both the paper and the people and tried to find out who would have had access. could there be any kind of a smoking gun? they had a fingerprint that they ultimately decided could not lead them to an answer. they gave us some of the specifics of how they pursued this case. but that, again, unsatisfying result of not knowing who is responsible. former president trump reacted and said, jail the reporters, the editors and others who published the draft report. that was politico last may. you would get the answer quickly. why waste time, he says? in part that is because there are some conservatives who believe that leaked memo put pressure on conservatives and raised perhaps a threat level against the justices. the biden white house reacted
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very sharply today and said that it is simply a bedrock part of the constitution that reporters' rights are a part of the first amendment and must be protected and to call that out in the way the former president is simply irresponsible. two very different approaches from the former president and the current president. an answer from the court that doesn't really tell us what happened. >> it certainly doesn't. kim, let's talk about the legal implications here. unprecedented leak. the draft opinion was proved to be exactly what came down in final opinion. lots of speculation was the abortion opponents who leaked it or was it the liberals, a clerk? they didn't interesinterview ju. like the ethics rules, conflict
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rules, the court employees itself. >> it does. i think that's one of the biggest problems with this report. it's bad enough that they conducted all of this forensic analysis that came out sort of sounding like the keystone csi. they looked at all of the data and came up with absolutely nothing. the fact that it is not clear at all that the justices were involved in this investigation at all is troubling at a time when trust in the court is low. i think if this had happened in the past, when americans had a lot of trust in the u.s. supreme court, they could think, these are justices of the supreme court, of course, they wouldn't breach the trust in this way. of course, there's no need to interview them. i don't think that's the case right now. i think that's confusing to the american public who want to know exactly how this happened and whether it can happen again.
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this is the first anniversary since roe was overturned. the biden administration is trying to protect reproductive health care. >> as we know, because of the dobbs decision, now 17 states in the country have banned abortion. it's clear that that's -- the republican party isn't satisfied with that. two of the first bills they introduced with this very narrow majority they have in the house of representatives were also to further ban abortion. and, of course, now the folks that to oppose abortion rights want a federal ban. what's happening is that across the country, states and state legislatures and governors, particularly several who were successful this past november, are introducing legislation to protect the right of people to make their own decisions about pregnancy. look, it's very scary that the
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republican party learned nothing from the midterm election. we had overwhelming mandates, even in very conservative states, montana, kentucky, kansas, people do not want this right taken away. it was done by a very partisan supreme court. it seems to me that the republican party is not listening to voters in america. >> victoria, let's talk about that. the landscape has changed for opponents. they don't seem to have a unified message. steve scalise was speaking at the rally and saying this is the first step. dobbs is the first step. where are they? >> it's going to depend on the individual right in terms of the lected official. a lot depends on the state. even though we are seeing this march in washington, the front lines really right now are in
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our state capitals. that's where we need to be looking in terms of where the abortion fight goes forward. in terms of the larger political context we have been talking about, this march, the political lobbying and activism that you are seeing from opponents of abortion, really is already at the borderline of overreach. if we saw anything from the midterm election, it was a rejection of that overreach. to continue to go in this direction just does not make rational sense when you are looking at political calculation, especially with the general election coming up. i think that the right is going to have to rethink its strategy about whether if keeps this aggressive tactic or if it tries a more nuanced method. >> kim, let's talk about something that was uncovered this week. websites that sell pills for the medicated abortions are sharing sensitive personal data with
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google. that's alarming. you hear things like the alabama attorney general suggesting pregnant women could be prosecuted for taking that pill. he walked that back since. but there's a bill in oklahoma allowing people to be prosecuted. going after the mother is certainly a big change in the anti-abortion movement. >> yeah. just aside from the essential right to privacy itself, that was shattered with the overturning of roe, this gets to that. this states up a federal versus state battle. you see the federal government allowing the distribution of abortion pills and allowing the post office to deliver them across the country versus states that are seeking to restrict it and including potentially criminalizing it, not just those who send the pills but also those who take them. i think we are going to see this battle play out in the courts in the weeks and months ahead in a way that could make its way back to the u.s. supreme court.
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it's still a very active legal landscape right now. >> what about the issue of what the fbi is calling domestic terrorism? they are offering $25,000 rewards for information on recent attacks against ten reproductive health care clinics. how concerning are these attacks and the implications for the women, the emotional stress on women and health care workers? >> of course, it's horrifying to think that this is happening in the united states. but it is. you are right, these attacks on doctors, on health care providers. but i think you mentioned a point that to me is really important. that is, what the republican party through these abortion bans, the bounty hunter system that is in place in places like texas, it has created fear across the country for women, for young people, for families. that, to me, is why we have seen such a rejection of these
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policies. as these abortion bans are in effect longer and longer, we are seeing more women, more patients who can't get medical care because doctors and health care providers are terrified of breaking laws that haven't even really been fully explained and written by non-medical professionals. it's a climate of fear. i'm glad the federal government has stepped in. >> thank you so much. florida's governor throwing red meat to the right, setting himself up for a potential 2024 run. what could mean for donald trump. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. drea mitcllhe reports." this is msnbc. for years to come. well, thank goodness. it's time for the "good news of the week." and, boy, do we need it. [ chuckles ] well, this safe driver saved money with the snapshot app from progressive.
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significantly lacks educational value. this as the heads of 28 florida colleges released a collective statement against critical race theory this week, buckling under his pressure. he is proposing to ban covid vaccine mandates in florida. >> we reject this woke ideology. we will never surrender to the woke mob. florida is where woke goes to die. >> joining me now is eugene daniels and sam stein. eugene, a florida democratic state senator is tweeting that, quote, it's crazy. ap african american studies got cut considering ap classes like in european history and japanese language and culture are being taught in florida? your reaction to that. >> desantis has taken on gladly and gleefully this war against woke education, the woke left. this is an extension of that.
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expanding it past just, i don't like critical race theory and keeping it and focusing on this course on african american history. what is true in this country is that we have not had the right education, the right conversation about black contributions, leaders, heroes for years. you could talk to almost any black person, all my friends it happened, our parents had to supplement the education in what was going on in people that look like us. what donald trump knew and what desantis will continue to cling to is that there's a part of the republican party, a large part it seems, that is animated by white grievance. this is what we're going to continue to see. i think all of these leaders know it's going to happen, because he is seemingly continuing to set himself up to decide whether he win run in 2024 and be the person who can say, i took on the woke ideology
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here in florida and i won. >> sam, desantis could be playing this game, if you will. "the washington post" points out some of the same companies he bashes, like disney, bankrolled his inauguration. these companies are on board. his fund-raising is going to be phenomenal. right? >> yeah. astronomical fund-raising. that "post" article is interesting. you can say, these donations from these companies that he criticized. on the other hand, if you are a supporter, you can say it is proof he is not beholden to these corporations. that's the more interesting element of this story for me. conservatives have long preached academia has a liberal bias. they have complained about these types of courses and curriculum.
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desantis is a rare conservative politician that he is using the power of state to go after these perceived biases, to go after these conservative opponents. going after curriculum or going after local prosecutors who refuse to enforce anti-abortion laws or going after companies who lend their support for lgbtq individuals. that's where desantis is distinguishing himself. he is using the powers of state to advance these conservative goals. that's where liberals are very fearful of him saying that there's a autocratic tendency in what he is doing in florida. >> eugene and sam, it occurs to me, going after these high schools and their universities, all these curriculum issues, wait until he sees florida educ institutes, the universities that can't retain good faculty. once you start messing with
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curriculum in this strange way, you really -- you are destroying the educational system that represents florida. this is going to happen in state after state. >> if i can jump in on that. i think you are right. there are residual impacts to these types of policies. if you are a young professor looking for a future, you are not going to go to a state that has rigid curriculum requirements imposed by the state or that's going after tenure. you will look elsewhere. that extends to desantis' policies on business. people thought it was crazy he would go after disney and revoke its tax status in this culture war fight saying, why would you drive out one of the most important businesses in your state? eventually, they backed off. disney stayed in florida.s okay. he gets headlines and backs down. we will see when he turns this into a presidential campaign.
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>> you wonder how former senator ben sass feels about becoming a professor in florida. eugene, at the same time he is going after the nhl for having diversity programs. the predominantly white national hockey league. >> it is more of the same. as sam is saying, and he is right, he is going to use all of this to differentiate himself from other conservatives around the country, whether or not he runs in 2024. he can say with a straight face, unlike a lot of others, when i said that i was going to take on the woke left, the woke et cetera, et cetera, i brought results. that's something when you talk to conservatives that they are excited about. you talk to folks looking at who is going to run in 2024 against donald trump in the primary, the reason his name comes up is because not only does he have the put it to 'em that donald
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>> alec baldwin said he never pulled the trigger on the handgun that fired. >> that's not true. we know that from the fbi lab report. that gun would not have fired without the trigger having been pulled. we have videos of him where his hand was on the trigger. >> prosecutors argue that baldwin had a duty to properly check the gun before using it. joining me now is vaughn hillyard and harry lipman. vaughn, let's start with you. what are you hearing from alec baldwin, his team? >> reporter: his team is making the case and is prepared to make the case that there's a question about the basic facts here of this case. there's discrepancy, for instance, over whether he pulled the trigger on the colt 45 or not here. that fbi forensic office report that was conducted, yes, it says that, quote, there could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger. it also said, it may not be possible to recreate or
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duplicate the circumstances. you are looking at the attorney statement. mr. baldwin had no reason to believe there was a live bullet in the gun or anywhere on the set. he relies on the professionals with whom he worked who assured him the gun did not have live rounds. we will fight these charges and we will win. there's questions here not only about the criminal liability that he faces to the extent to which he was handling a firearm and that the bullet was clearly discharged from it, but also it comes down to the question of the facts of this and whether or not he pulled the trigger and whether the gun could have, in fact, malfunctioned, as his team is set to argue. >> harry, this is basically -- i guess it's negligence, because the issue of intent -- he didn't intend to shoot her, clearly. the argument would be, can you prove that as a producer and actor or one or the other that he had a responsibility to know
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not to use that gun, to know it could have had live ammo when no set is supposed to have live ammo? >> that's the common assumption. it's wrong. the standard is actually criminal negligence here. people are misconstruing it. to prove criminal negligence beyond a reasonable doubt, they have to show that baldwin grossly deviated from the standard of care a reasonable actor -- not a gun sports person -- would have exercised. you just can't show it here, i think. because there's going to be a torrent of expert testimony that says, no, when the armorer says it's a cold gun, as they said here, and the first assistant gives it to you, an actor is not supposed to double-check, are the rounds live or not, if the actor would even know. i think is overreach. i think they are going to lose. i think they should lose and
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should not have brought charges against baldwin. >> harry, let me play devil's advocate. they are charging him as a producer. did he have an obligation to make sure there was no live ammo on the set? >> not the question. first, they are charging him as both. even actors, et cetera. but a producer here -- the producer he is -- i used to work in film. his name is up there, true. but he is not the guy -- very much not the guy who goes around and checks the bullets. the short answer is, as a producer, did he grossly deviate from the standard of care other producers would have exercised, big shot names on the movie? the answer is plainly, no, i think. again, expert testimony will establish that. >> vaughn, the d.a. is charging "rust's" armorer with involuntary manslaughter. it was her job to ensure gun safety. what about the charge against her? this was, i believe, the second
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film she worked on. >> reporter: right. her attorney says it's the result of a flawed investigation. it was her responsible to put the ammunition in the firearm and to know what ammunition she was working with. in the last november, she filed a lawsuit against the supplier, the founder, seth kenny, who was the one who sent ammunition to the site of "rust" to be used. kenny has denied ever sending anything but dummy bullets, prop bullets here. he was not, to note, named or charged by the district attorney and the special prosecutor yesterday. we will have a better understanding of what evidence is being presented here in the weeks ahead once those actual charges are filed by the district attorney. but for now, kenny was not implicated in this per the district attorney at this time here. hannah is the one who is denying she was aware that live ammunition existed on the set. yet the district attorney is prepared to make the case that ultimately that there was negligence on her part in
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equipping that firearm with that ammunition that killed hutchins. >> such a tragedy for everyone involved. vaughn hillyard and harry lipman, thank you so much. the web of lies. george santos pushing back hard against reports that he appeared in drag on the streets of rio. how does he explain those pictures as well as what those who knew him back then are saying? that's next. stay tuned. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. when you shop wayfair, you get big deals for your home - every day. so big, we'll have you saying... am i a big deal? yeah you are, because it's a big deal, when you get a big deal.
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george santos continues to deny he dressed in drag while living in brazil despite photos surfacing, two sources tell nbc news they are confident this is santos in drag in 2007. this on top of that long list of lies told by santos including fabricating his education, his work history, and claiming his mom survived the september 11th attack, even though she was not in the u.s. at the time. joining me now is capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, who has followed a all the twists
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and turns in george santos' amazing career, head up or reel real. nothing is wrong or illegal about dressing in drag, but it's a question of honesty in his case, and his public positions proposing lgbtq rights. >> reporter: it's so unusual. i don't know if this had become a story had santos not denied it. nothing illegal or unusual about it in the broader sense. but when this story first bubbled up in brazil, and a drag queen recognized santos posting some of this material online. our great team has good researchers and good researchers ability to reach out to folks and verify this content. as we started reporting this out, this became one of the things that santos has responded to quickest. he responded to it personally on his twitter account and said these claims are categorically untrue, denying them most
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aggressively. of all the threats to him politically, this is really lower and less likely to cause him problems down the line. he hasn't spoken out at least in any meaningful terms about his campaign finance questions or the money that went into his campaign came from. this was one he was quick to deny, despite the on the ground, on the record comments from people who knew him then in 2007 and 2008 in rio saying this is the man they knew as another name he went by. >> the investigation is potentially the biggest legal exposure he has. this is a political problem. >> i think that's probably true. and the campaign finance is something he's going to have to answer to to both law enforcement and the ethics committee in the house.
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the ethics committee in the house, while it is bipartisan, it's also slow and widely thought of not effective in policing members the one thing it takes seriously are campaign finance violations as a member you have to file regular reports and disclosures. it's the kind of thing where there will be a paper tril trail. if he's going to have problems internally in the house or externally from law enforcement, it's probably coming from there no the from pictures in brazil 15 years ago. >> garrett haake, such a busy week, busy month for you or longer, thank you. we appreciate it. rest up. it's over that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online on facebook and twitter. have a great weekend. "chris jansing reports" is up next. weekend "chris jansing reports" is up next
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good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. right now, the white house is mapping a course they hope can deliver a second term for president biden. but to get there, he will have to navigate the political minefield of a republican-led investigation by hard right conservatives. why is one white house official calling it a, quote, political gift? plus nbc news confirms the director of the cia traveled to kyiv to meet with president zelenskyy last week.