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we're watching the white house where the president is set to deliver a speech any moment now. touting what he calls the achievement of the last 18 months. and while, yes, there are plenty of achievements for the biden administration to harold, like any leader, he faced his share of setbacks. if he runs, would he have the political momentum needed to win re-election. regardless, any 2024 plans announced by president biden will come under a cloud of covers. the doj's investigation into the handling of classified documents is just getting started. we're learning more about why president biden and his top aides chose to keep the first discovery a secret for almost 70 days before it blew up in their face. former fbi chief of staff is with us. joining me now is monica alba and a "washington post" reporter. thank you for joining us. monica, let's start with you.

in listing the wins today, is president biden laying out a case for his re-election before announcing his bid for re-election? >> i think that's a really fairway to put it, joe. i think what you're going to see here from president biden and likely every major speech in the next couple of months is this case for what he has been able to accomplish the last two years. i think certainly today he is going to take time to mark the anniversary of his inauguration. he's going to certainly highlight the legislative accomplishments, the victories that biden white house has been able to enjoy. they're going to lay out in the last couple years. and then i think you'll hear the president talk about all that is left to do. and the other things he would like to work on over the course of the rest of this term before making a formal announcement and discussion about seeking another one. but this is, of course, coming at a moment where there is this sort of political high wire act that white house needs to do. it certainly not the conversation they maybe wanted to be having right now given the

classified documents controversy. but they're betting on a calculation and a strategy that longer term they think voters can maybe appreciate. that because right now there's not that much, they argue they i can say, but long term, they're hoping if this does resolve in the way they would like it to, people can look back and say this is why they were not as forthcoming. of course, they come under a lot of criticism and there's been a lot of pressure because think haven't answered some of the basic questions. you're going to see president biden is the oldest president ever to serve to talk about the work he feels is still left ahead of him. again, he would like to do some of that this year and next year. when we talk about this sort of time line for incumbent presidents, it's not like he is later than others. former president obama announced in april of the year before the election and if we all remember former president trump, he was the outlier here.

he filed the paperwork hours after inaugurated. he held rallies all throughout. the biden white house is saying there is a good amount of time for him to lay out this decision. it will be after the state of the union which is slated for early next month. and we're told that this current controversy is not going to affect that time line for the moment, joe. >> jasmine, how is the white house trying to position the prospect for success in the second half of the term knowing most of the political winds are likely going to come in the first part of the term. it will be hard we are republicans controlling the house and keeping in mind, voters have short term memories, right? >> absolutely. i think as the year started and republicans took control of the house, the white house really shifting gears. the first two years of the administration were focused on trying to pass these big pieces of legislation. there was, of course, all this internal democratic wrangling before they passed the reduction act. and a number of other bills like

the infrastructure law. the chips act to boost semiconductor manufacturing. veterans health care bill. so now the administration is really focused on making sure that president biden gets credit for these things. for the inflation reduction act, there are a number of very popular measures that are going into effect this year. they say they learned, especially from the obama administration and passing a big economic rescue package that obama didn't get credit for, when these things happen, one of the biggest examples is this prescription drug benefit for seniors on medicare that caps the cost of insulin at $35 a month. they want to make sure when people go to the pharmacy and see the insulin costs less it's because of president biden's law. they know realistically they're not going to get much done in congress with a divided house and senate. as we can see with the debt limit fight, they'll have trouble doing a basic work of governing.

they want to make sure they get credit. >> monica, you mentioned he's not going to announce plans until after the state of the union address. from your reporting, how soon after that could we be looking at could this documents controversy affect that? >> the president and the rest of his top, top aides, even though the circle wasn't that wide, they did know this was potentially going to be a problem for them. they knew about this in the context of the 2024 plans. that has been a part of the calculation and the conversation in terms of the right time. i think what you're going see here is a ramp up to the state of the union that traditionally any president would be trying to point to what they feel is successful, what they're going to give in terms of the report card of the country and then after that what is traditional as you would likely see a president do some travel, go around the country and try to sell the message, try to talk

about everything that they felt worked for them. then there could be this sort of announcement. it doesn't necessarily have to be any time in the immediate. there is a little bit of time here. president biden said he'll do it sort of when the time is right. we knew the holidays were this sort of point. he is talking to his family members and coming to a final conclusion. there wasn't that much discussing or debating to do. in terms of what the family supports. we know that dr. jill biden supports her husband running again for president. there is also this question about physical health. there is a question about physical health. all presidents do undergo physicals. he is going to have the rest of his physical by the end of this

month. so that is just another thing to check on the agenda in terms of getting that all situated. the skin cancer was completely removed. there is a larger conversation about what is going on physically and personally with the president and first lady. they're all contributing factors to the final decision that as of now all signs do point to yes. but until the president declares that, he always said he is a respecter of fate. he said things can always change too. >> all right. monica and jasmine, thank you for joining us and breaking this down at the top of the hour. we appreciate it. joining me now, let's talk about the documents. former cia chief of staff larry pfeifer served as senior director in the white house situation room. larry, good to have with you us. i want to get your report on the latest reporting, your take on the latest reporting from the times. advisors to president biden calculated that the justice

department would view possession of the documents -- pardon me here. as little more than a good faith mistake. the biden strategy was influenced by the trump case in which the former president refused to turn over all the classified documents he had taken even after being subpoenaed. so in your mind, how do you see it? is that how you see it, a good faith mistake? >> yes, absolutely. i'll preface everything by saying classified documents showing up where they shouldn't be stored is a bad thing. it's always going to be a bad thing. but it looks like this is a run of the mill -- i say run of the mill, like it happens every day. it doesn't happen every day. but, you know, classified documents end up in the wrong place enough times that in the intel community and the national security world, we have to have terms of art for it. we refer to it as a spill or a spillage. and we have procedures in place to deal with it. my view is the president and his team i think rightfully have

assessed that this will ultimately blow over. >> i do want to talk about the procedure here. we have two presidents, one sitting and being investigated for their hand willing of classified documents outside of office. there seen a term for it, spillage. so in classified materials found somewhere it's not meant to be, why is this happening? do you think it could be a remedy for future administrations? is it a simple fix or more complicated? >> in the white house there is a large number of classified documents that make their way from office to office. they should be being handled in secured compartment facilities, the oval office. the president can take defrns back to the residence and into his office. there is secret service protection around all the time. but that being said, something clearly is going wrong.

we have two successive administrations where documents are finding their way out of the building and being stored in a golf resort or in a corvette garage. not good. i think it behoove the white house to commission a review of the procedures that exist for the storage and transportation and movement of classified documents at the white house with a particular emphasis being placed on that time towards the end of the administration when it appears things get rushed and bad decisions get made or mistakes happen. >> president biden made a short statement on the investigation yesterday basically saying there's no there there. but still not giving any explanation or answers on how this situation happened. that is, of course, one of the big questions. is that right call? when you know a lack of clarity does only fuel speculation and misinformation? >> well, that's really largely a political call on his part. you know, trying to demonstrate

transparency to the public. from a legal perspective, there is no requirement that he disclosed. the fact that he did this. the more information that is out there, the more the foreign intelligence organizations identify gaps and vulnerabilities and they may find ways to exploit it to the advantage by getting access to either the people that are mishandling the documents or getting access to the documents themselves. a good intel -- a good foreign intel service, american intel service can get in and out of a facility without you ever knowing they were there. so we just don't need to be airing out the details and increasing that level of risk. >> all right. larry, thank you so much for joining us. we do appreciate your perspective. >> thank you. still ahead, video emerges of congressman george santos possibly caught in another lie. will it be the straw that breaks the gop's back? plus, is former president

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republican congressman george santos says any claims that he performed as a drag queen are categorically false. but denial comes as new photos show santos dressed in drag. joining me now is senior correspondent gerrick hak. there is nothing wrong, necessity wants to do drag, he is able to lip sync for his life. it centers around honesty. what more can you tell us? >> i don't know if we would be covering this story if santos hadn't denied it. sort of response around this all has been unusual. santos admitted to lying about his educational background, what he did for a living before he

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sapphire. that veteran telling nbc news that santos' charity, friends of pets united, set up the donation website. but when it came time for the surgery, he says santos refused to hand over the money. he was forceded to put sapphire down instead. >> just disgusting. horrible. he should be ashamed of himself. he doesn't have shame. he's a psychopath. >> santos calling reports he would let a dog die shocking and insane. adding the distractions won't stop me. but santos faces at least five different investigations. some by law enforcement that might. any criminal indictment or action by the house ethics committee could force santos off his newly assigned committees. and if santos stays in congress long enough to face voters again next year, democrats say they won't be fooled again by his falsehoods. >> the election of a complete liar like santos should be a shock and a jolt to the system.

it sure be a wakeup call for the democratic party in new york state. >> joe, one of our sources is a brazilian drag queen who told us she met santos when he was just 17 and he seemed to have in her words an outgrown sense of grandeur and he lied all the time. she told us she was very surprised to learn he was elected to congress. >> since being sworn in, we've seen santos shift to the right, finding allies and super conservative colleagues like matt gaetz and marjorie taylor green. he has taken stance that's are not popular within the lgbtq community. where does he stand now within the conservative wing of republican party? >> it's a if you have question to answer, joe. this is somebody who also comes from a district that joe biden carried in 2020. and he would likely carry again in the next election. santos ran as more of a moderate but he allied himself with some of the far right members. that may be more about the fact that folks like marjorie taylor

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make sure to join us then. donald trump's third campaign for president officially kicked off in november. fit feels like you haven't heard or seen much of the former president in the two months that followed, you're not wrong. trump is relatively quiet. his first public campaign event since announcing is slated for the end of this month. and in the meantime, it appears he could be losing some allies. just this week reverend robert jefres invited a potential rival on stage at his church in dallas. former vice president mike pence. what does it mean for the support that trump has come to rely on? joining me now is "new york times" political correspondent michael bender. good to have you with us. you've been reporting on trump's reaction to pence joining the reverend on stage this past weekend and i want to play this clip for our viewers.

>> michael what is the reaction to this? >> there say couple things happening here. one is robert jeffers who invited pence down to his church in dallas was one of the earliest public trump supporters back in the 2016 campaign. after november and the results in the midterms, jeffers said he'll remain neutral. he said back in november that he anticipated civil war coming inside the party. he didn't want any part of it. he said he was going to stand -- sit this one out. meanwhile, you have president trump who is shouldering a lot of the blame for the midterm problems that republicans had back in november.

combine those two -- those two sort of combined and sort of unravel this is week when jeffers brought out pence and shifted blame from the mid terms to himself to evangelicals. there is plenty of blame to go around for republicans in november. trump isn't completely wrong that evangelicals, conservatives, republicans at large struggled in the response when roe versus wade was overturned. they were not ready. they didn't have a plan to say -- to tell the american people what was next. that created a big opening for democrats. but the problem here is that evangelicals are very important piece of trump's constituency. and he is lashing out at jeffers in particular and the movement writ large, it is creating some anxiety and some problems with

some of these pastors who have, you know, huge congregations. one very important evangelical in iowa, bob vanderplats said he thinks it's time to move on. he was a very important person for trump in iowa and among conservatives. it's going to be something to watch for these next couple of years really. >> you know, trump's 2024 campaign is relatively muted. it's been a quiet couple months. any idea why? what is going on here? is that actually harming him or just too early to have much of an impact anyway? >> there are a few things happening here. president trump announced at a very peculiar time, right after the mid terms and then right before the holidays. you know, thanksgiving, you know, new year's season. these are times where the american people can kind of

put -- take a breath from the billions of dollars that have been spent on television and attacking each other. trump stepped right into that void and announced his presidential campaign. some advisors had wanted him to, you know, not come right out of the gate and do rallies. the other piece of this, though, is trump is, you know, at the lowest point he's been in quite a while since his political rise in 2016. now whether these polls in november and december are a sign of things to come or a floor for trump's popularity, you know, something that, again, we have to watch. >> michael, let's talk about that first bill rally. it's in south carolina. they're mulling their own 2024 bids. nikki haley said she may run. let's take a listen. >> when you're looking at a run for president, you look at two things. you first look at does the

current situation push for new leadership? the second question is, am i that person that could be that new leader? yes, we need to go in a new direction. and can i be that leader? yes, i think i can be that leader. >> you also have tim scott. he launched a pac that could empower a bid for president. could this be really kicking off the rallies in south carolina? >> partially. i do think -- i'm not sure this is a rally tend of the month here in south carolina. from what i understand, the vent is going to be more of a speech and maybe aimed more at focused on a particular policy and not one of the big arena rallies that we have come to expect. that is a decision based on a couple things.

they're not cheap. they cost a lot of money. it is flat. still one of the best fund-raiser in the republican party. it is open question on whether rallies at this point are going to attract new support ez of win back some of the people he lost. he has not spent that much time up until now talking about policy. talking about future. historically that, is what wins elections. giving voters to look forward to. not to be stuck in what will be now an election cycle, two cycles old. >> all right. michael bender, thank you so much. we appreciate your time. now we want to talk about the current president who is currently meeting with mayors from across the country. he is also touting his accomplishmentes from over the past two years. let's take a listen in. >> we're talking funny. you know what i mean?

>> and mayor pete -- even though he is a secretary, i still call him mayor pete. and, you know, you got marty from boston. we have a lot of mayors. a lot of mayors. look. the fact is, you know, assuming here together here today because you mayors know how to get things done. that is not hyperbole, it's a fact. yesterday i was in california where grappling with historic -- california. yeah. i'll tell what you, i reflected and we moved on. i said that means you don't need

that $10 billion we just gave you, right? all kidding aside, he is a great governor. the mayor gets the first call when your town or city faces a crisis. i've seen it. i traveled this country. i've seen floods, tornadoes, wildfires, hurricanes. in fact, i was kidding but the serious piece to it when pointed out that to the governor, we have to stop taking the helicopter rides because i went over -- i think the fifth one in his state. traveling the state. more of the forest has burned down up in oregon and than the entire state of missouri.

it's a lot of damage. i want to thank the mayors across the country. it matters that the ones who -- you're the ones that make sure that the garbage gets picked up. potholes get fixed, buses you can catch to work and be able to continue to be there on time. and so much more significant consequences. you affect people's quality of life more than anybody else in the world. it's how many problems you fix. can you fix the problem? when i came to office, we had -- can you hear me now? the pandemic was raging. our economy was reeling. but we acted together. now two years in it's clearer

ever that the plans are working. because if we do that, by the way, the wealthy do very, very well. and the poor have a shot. the middle class can have a little breathing room. an economy that benefits that folks in the heartland as well as in our cities and all across america, i remember, you know, as i said, my family, i was born in scranton, pennsylvania. when cole died in third grade, i had to move. the joke is we're from scranton. everybody is from scranton. think about the towns you know and some of you are mayors of that they go through school, they want to stay where their family is, where their relatives where they know everything and then have to say, mom, i have to leave. there is no jobs here. there's no jobs here many my town. i'm serious. what we're trying to do is not just rebuild an economy, we're trying to bring backed pride. ed pride and sense of belonging, a sense of i want to stay where

i live. where i live now and able to do what i want to do. that is the whole purpose of what we're trying do in our cities when people used to move out. but, you know, now they're beginning to move back in. cities are growing. not just big cities, small towns as well. the economy, rewards work where we don't need a college degree to provide for your family. you don't need it to provide for your family. 18 million people two years ago this week they were out of work. now the number is under 1.6 million. the lowest number in decades. the unemployment rate is as lowest it's been in 50 years. we created 11 million jobs, 750,000 manufacturing jobs. where the hell is it written to say we can't be the manufacturing capital of the world? i mean it. not a joke. i got so sick and tired of us

exporting jobs and importing product, we're now importing jobs and exporting products. that's what we're going to do. that's what we're doing. i really mean it. we're beginning to invest in ourselves again because of you all. over the last two years more americans applied to start a small business than any year in history. fewer families facing foreclosure than before the pandemic. families are starting to breathe a little easier. but folks, it's not only that, pride is coming back to american communities. and to american cities. that's not just on the coast as i said, it's in every part of the country including many towns and it is yez and local communities that have been forgotten for much too long. much too long. and it's not an accident.

you know, i have to take a second to just digress a little bit, we used to put 2% of our gdp in research and development. but then we stopped. we stopped investing in research & development. we invest .7% now. we used to be number one. now china is number two. we're number -- i mean, things we allowed to happen. it's not been conscious. it's just sort of slipped up on us. we just -- and the way in which we changed and the way we dealt with corporate law, a whole range of things. but we're changing it. we're going to export products, not jobs. with your support i signed into law the american rescue plan to deliver immediate relief to families and communities that needed it most. i one study found before the law was passed, 70% of the mayors in america expected to cut critical

jobs like teachers and transit workers. you were facing steep cuts in police department budgets. so we acted. and with the cares act, we passed under the previous administration, someone had to go to your -- you had to go to the legislature for permission to get the money. why do you have to go through the legislature? no, i'm serious. i'm deadly earnest about that. you go through the legislature, you can't blame them. you want a piece of my district. but you can apply directly. often i wrote a bill years ago, you could apply directly if you qualified. you got it directly. you got the money directly. that's what we're talking about. things began to change. instead, we make sure the american rescue plan empowered you directly, directly. you put cops back on the street.

firefighters back in the jobs. you kept teachers in classrooms. you asked for the money. and you qualified for it. in knoxville, tennessee -- you are here? you gave premium pay to police officers to keep them on the job. that is a big deal. and in mesa, arizona, i'm going to get people in trouble calling them out. how are you? bought five new ambulances. he hired clinicians to help the fire department in crisis calls. and by the way, when a cop turns up in a domestic violence case or someone on the edge of a bridge, they need a psychologist with them. that's why we're putting -- i'm serious. we're beginning to understand this all again. a lot of you applying for the money and using it for the the

mental health issues as well. when it comes to public safety, we know the answer is not to defund the police. [ applause ] not to defund the police. we can train some police. it's to make sure there is accountability. make sure we know what is happening. but it's not to defund the police. they need more funding. and so the american rescue plan -- $350 billion of state and local governments and was available to them to make communities safer. every member voted against it. a lot of the mayors said you talk to your representatives. whoa. you know, that may be biden's idea. but not all his ideas are bad. you think i'm kidding. i'm not kidding.

and many cities from newark, new jersey and baton rouge, louisiana, but all kidding aside, they made thee initiatives. they have shown in some cases they can reduce violent crime up to 60%, particularly among our youth. they can do it. but as you may know better than most, when you see the crime and opioid epidemic, a big part is mental health. i want to take a moment to talk to you about how we're addressing that as well. by the way, the surgeon general has been really focusing on this a great deal. a lot of you work with him. through the american rescue plan, we provided initial funding for cities -- >> you're listening to president biden speaking in front of the nation's mayors and touting accomplishmentes on his presidency. we want to talk about ukraine.

nbc news learned that cia director bill burns secretly met his ukrainian intelligence counterparts and president zelenskyy last week in kyiv. well there burns briefed them on his expectations, what he thinks russia's military is plotting in the come being weeks and months. u.s. official and other people familiar with the visit told "the washington post" that top of mind for president zelenskyy during the meeting is how long ukraine could expect u.s. and western assistance to continue. those sources say burns reinforced the united states' continued support for ukraine. he did acknowledge that at some point assistance would be harder to come by following republicans takeover of the house and a dropoff in public support in the u.s. joining me more to talk about this is our national security analyst clint watts. just tell us, how significant is this meeting? what do we know specifically about the relationship between burns and president zelenskyy? >> yeah, joe. i think what we're looking at

and this stage of the war was, you know, we don't have much fighting on the battlefield. just some around the area carried out by the wagner mers on airy group. outside of that, really this is a battle for what we used to call hearts and minds. how they can each leader of each country, president zelenskyy or putin, biden and nato leaders can they keep popular support for support of ukraine going? so president zelenskyy is right in terms wrf the focus is. what his focus needs to be is how does he keep humanitarian aid flowing into the country? how does he keep weaponry and ammunition flowing in for his military forces? and then above all, how does he sustain his force when there is still receiving artillery, missile strikes, air strikes that targeting critical infrastructure. this is all politics inside russia to see what the best

positioning is to keep this fight going and to keep the russians at bay as long as possible. >> clint, can you describe the type of military intelligence the u.s. might have on russia? and the level of coordination that the u.s. and ukrainian intelligence communities have with each other? >> in terms of level of coordination, i actually have no idea. you have signs and reports of that in the news here and there that there are tips or there are coordination, but it is hard to tell. some ways it feels what the u.s. does understand better than ukraine is russia. i think that is the key point. they understand a lot of russia's moves. members of the u.s. intelligence community accurately anticipated down to the day and the hour when the russians were going to invade. i think you can also see an amazing amount and open source today i'm sure they're talking about how serious is russia's coordination with belaruse? remember, they sort of came in through belaruse during the initial part of the invasion. that access was brought to a

halt. they're back there doing training exercises. i'm sure they're trying to understand how far the ukrainian military can go, what they need, how supplies can be kept there. because as soon as it starts to warm up again, as a lot of the russian people move to the bat the field, everyone expects there is going to be a russian offensive or some sort of advance in some sort of way. everyone is wanting to know what will the ukrainian dozen? back in that september, october, november time frame, they lost a lot of the territory. across the board, the u.s. military from a military perspective can see a wloost is going on the battlefield. almost down to a minute level. but ultimately, it's intention that everybody wants to know about. what do the russians and ukrainians intend to do going forward? >> all right. clint watts, thank you for your analysis. we appreciate it. up next, we're live on the ground in washington where opponents of abortion rights are celebrating the supreme court's

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request a cash offer at opendoor.com where you are and for those attending, does it feel different than in past years >> so, i will tell you first, what feels different as you mentioned, we're living in a post roe era and that is something was met with applause. every time someone took to the stage to say just that and there are signs saying i'm

living in a post roe generation. so for people who are here, these we know, these are opponents to abortion rights and for them, when we asked them, hey, roe was over turned, we know this was the platform for march for life, it was started the year after roe v. wade as a way to and so for them, my question d was, so you're still here, what keeps you hear and what i'm seeing from both sides. they were galvanized by dobbs. we had a chance to speak to both sides. take abo listen. >> students for life of america was founded as a post-roe organization because we always envisioned this day when it could happen. not if it would be reversed, but when. and now that it has we have mobilized thousands of students all over the country.ov and so to think that oh, our work is done, well our work just begun. we've got 50 individual state by state battles that we need to tackle and this is a culture war. the mission of students for life is not just tont make abortion illegal, it is to make abortion

unthinkable. >> reporter: and so there is a reason why their march takes them to the supreme court and then right here over to the capitol. because for them, they say this is where the next step is. we know thatt abortion right n on a state level roughly two dozen were approaching the two dozen level states that have either banned or severely limited abortion. we know that there are three -- there is ongoing legal battle and the conversation around abortion and abortion access has dramatically changed. we know the fda has changed their guidance around pharmacies being able to dispense abortion pills which makes abortion access even easier. soo when it comes to the wins and losses here, roe was overturned but then with the fda guidance change, that was something that was seen as a success for proponents of the abortion rights. so again, in terms of the mood here, joe, i think the overall theme is that both sides are galvanized just in very

different ways. the work is far from over for them. >> marissa parra in washington. we'll talk about it. to the other side of the issue. joining me now from washington is mini timaru. they are signaling that they're targeting abortion rights at the supreme court level but also in congress. even changing where they march thisch year. how concerned are you now that they have a major toe hold in the legislative fight thanks to the new republican majority in the house and having control of so many statetr legislatures around the country? >> yeah, obviously, well thanks for having me. i mean, obviously it is a grave concern for our movement. look, the loss of roe has been devastating. we're at 17 states and counting with aban on abortion. and i think your reporter in the field did a great job of summarizing the stakes. however, when you ask me how worried we are, i mean, obviously we have a healthy concern about what is happening in congress.

you know, the republican extremist congress was very quick to bring up two anti-abortion bills their first week in session. we havewe no doubt, we are goin to see a federal abortion ban bill coming up in the coming months. and we now know we fell just short of whatw we needed in th senate to codify roe. and we need the house and the senate to codify roe. but what is really important for folks to understand, in this longer term fight, was that roe wasas always the floor, it was never the ceiling. and what we mean be that was roe provided the fundamental right to access abortion, it was the fundamental legal right but the accessnd to abortion has always been challenging for us. so our battle, yes, it is far from over. but it is to imagine a world that is much bigger than roe, where we are eliminate restrictions like the hyde e ameantment that restricted federal funds for abortion and we model state by state legislation like in california where they are lireshaping acce

and the move by the fda for the biden administration was a big first step fore us and we're going to keep fighting and goini and the good news for our side of the movement is eight of ten ofem americans are with us and e midterm elections proved how unpopular anti-abortion policies are. >> i want to read something to you r from the atlantic, who writes advocates are technically closer thandv ever to ending abortion in america. but i in some ways the path forward is more treacherous now than it was before. where do you see potential end roads for your movement right now, despite the blow from dobbs? we heard marissa say that the folks at the march there were galvanized. but i'm w guessing you feel prey galvanized too? >> yeah. i think it is an incredible organizing moment. so i'll say a couple of things aboutgs that. even in the elections, while we fell short in congressle with t house, we saw remarkable gains in tough states and in governor's races and attorneys general and legislatures and goes s where the fight next, right. so we have michigan with a

democratic trifecta. aa pro-choice led by gretchen whitner. and you have pennsylvania where they narrowly held on to the house and blocked an abortion ban in the state. so we have a lot of smart strategic democrats and great opportunities to expand d acces not just codify roe. and that is the future of the movement. what i will say, the other big emotional movement galvanizing moment for us in the midterms, young voters. so it iste interesting to see yr reporter interview young voters but they are with us in this issue. >> all right. mini, thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate your time talking about this issue with thet anniversary of roe v. wad now just a couple of days away. that is going to do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next.me can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee, even if it received ppp,

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