expecting me to spit some mad bars tonight and i'm sorry to disappoint. but i do have a bit of royal news to end the week. specifically, we want to highlight prince harry's best-selling new memoir, "spare." despite the british press' dim hopes for this book, the memoir is selling briskly. 3.2 million copies in its first week and i'm only responsible for one of them. the book has made waves for its shocking, dramatic, and personal revelations about the royal family and particularly the family's treatment of prince harry's wife, meghan markel. the memoir has the distinction now of being a guinness world record holder. this week, guinness world records announced that it is the fastest-selling nonfiction book ever. congratulations to the ginger prince. before you go, i want to let you know where you can keep in touch with me.

i am on social media @profmmurray and check out my podcast, strict scrutiny, where we discuss all the things about the supreme court and the legal culture that surrounds it. you can find it wherever you get your podcast. and that does it for me. have a great weekend. "the reidout with joy reid" is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> while the march began as a response to roe, we don't end as a response to roe being overturned. why? because we're not yet done. >> they are not yet done. on the 50th anniversary of roe, anti-abortion forces are actively working to further crush the reproductive rights of women, regardless of how unpopular it is with the american people. also tonight, why kevin mccarthy might be mumbling, i've made a huge mistake, after striking

down proxy voting in the house. and while there's nothing at all wrong performing in drag, it's actually quite fabulous, the hypocrisy of alleged drag queen george santos helping to push the right's anti-lgbtq agenda is a very big problem. but we begin tonight with the results of or actually lack of results from the eight-month internal investigation of the supreme court over the leaked draft of the decision that rolled back 50 years of precedent, overturning roe v. wade and the constitutional right for women to have autonomy over their own bodies. the court claims it performed a diligent search, following up on all leads, but just can't conclusively identify the leaker. curious enough, the report indicated that the justices themselves were not scrutinized as part of the probe. in a new statement tonight, the supreme court marshal clarified that he did speak with all nine justices during the probe, but unlike all the other court employees he spoke with, he did

not believe that it was necessary to ask the justices to sign sworn affidavits. well, that seems convenient, especially if you recall "the new york times" report from last november, where a former anti-abortion leader within the christian right accused justice samuel alito of leaking the verdict in the 2014 wilbur versus hobby lobby case. the one that gave companies the right to deny birth control coverage to their employees. the reverend bob shank told "the times" that he used that information to prepare a public relations push to get ahead of the backlash from the decision. as you may recall, it is justice alito who also wrote the decision overturning roe. hmm. interesting. so when it comes to the dobbs leak, you have to ask yourself the question, who benefited? who benefitted the most from it being out there? and the answer is simple. it is these right-wing religious groups that have spent decades trying to ban abortions. so they, too, could prepare for the inevitable backlash. make no mistake, getting rid of roe was not the end goal for

these groups, but just the start ofusade to control women. anti-abortion activists were in washington today for their annual march for life rally. and they have made clear where they want to take this american talibanism next. we're already seeing their efforts to try to restrict access to abortion pills by going after pharmacies and providers. they now have a case before a trump-appointed judge in texas that could revoke the fda's approval of a component of the abortion bill. if this court grants the request for an injunction, it would stop the execution of the abortion bill nationwide, even in blue states that have strong abortion protections. while that decision could get overturned in an appeal, that could take months. and it could ultimately wind up at the supreme court. the same supreme court that allowed the texas law, which effectively banned abortion in that state at six weeks to stand. and of course, the one that overturned roe. and if that wasn't bad enough, there are now some efforts to possibly prosecute women for

getting an abortion. alabama's attorney general said last week that anyone who uses pills to induce an abortion can still face consequences under the state's chemical endangerment of a child statute, which is a law that was made to protect children from the risks of at-home meth labs. he has since walked back those comments. but a bill introduced in oklahoma's senate last week eliminated language that clarifies that being pregnant offers protection from prosecution, which would serve women up for felony charges for inducing an abortion. a similar bill was also just introduced in arkansas, which would allow prosecution for obtaining an abortion under state homicide laws. like i said, roe was just the start. joining me now is alexis mcgill johnson, president of planned parenthood. and thank you so much for being here. it seems to me, alexis, that the right didn't like the political result and the political backlash from overturning roe,

because the republicans didn't really want to talk about it immediately afterward. they wanted to talk about crime and inflation and other things, and they still paid a huge price electorally for what they put in place at the supreme court that did that. but now, they're getting aggressive. let me read a little bit of this rolling stone article. this is the judge who's hearing the case about trying to ban the abortion pill. his name is matthew kacsmaryk. matthew kacsmaryk was nominated by donald trump and confirmed by a slim majority of republican senators in 2014. he argued against same-sex marriage and no-fault divorce, but also birth control, abortion, and sex outside of marriage. anecdotes don't think it's a koens that this lawsuit landed in kacsmaryk's docket. several told "rolling stone" that they believe the alliance for hippocratic medicine was created for the express purpose of filing in amarillo, texas, in order to draw a judge whose

judge says he's clearly opposed to reproductive rights. how worried should we be that the right will achieve, in essence, a national abortion ban by banning the means by which i think nearly half of women get abortions. >> yes, absolutely. well, joy, first of all, it's great to see you. thank you so much for having us here. look, i mean, what did dr. maya angelou say? when people show you who they are, believe them. at every turn, they have demonstrated who they are. they want to come, they want to have a nationwide abortion ban. they'll continue to do that. the way that they will continue to do that is to essentially use this court, this kacsmaryk court, not only to turn over access to abortion, they're also -- excuse me, sorry, joy. >> get some water! >> it's been a long week of talking. >> live tv, everybody!

live tv. get some water, sister. >> i apologize for that. they're coming after them, the same court that judge kacsmaryk has a case before it to defund planned parenthood in texas on some baseless claims. they have also, the court that has taken up this title 10 case in relationship to minors getting access to birth control. so at every turn, they are trying to literally, trying to defund access to health care across the board. so we should believe them. that is exactly what they are trying to do. >> right. they're very clear, these are people who, again, are against birth control pills, they think those are abortive agents. in his case, they're against sex outside of marriage. that should, i guess, be criminalized as well. and they're against no-fault divorce. the reason i refer to it as american talibanism is that it is about having complete control by the state over whelm. and they can't -- and they lie -- the lie that they put out there is that no, no, no, we just want it to be decided in

the states. but when it is decided in the states and decided in favor of women's liberty, they try to jurnt cut that, too. dateline kansas, which passed this surprise but overwhelming support for women to have rights over their own bodies in the state of kansas, that referendum passed overwhelmingly and yet, kansas lawmakers, since they can't ban abortions, have now introduced a bill that would allow cities and counties to ban abortion! despite the referendum! so what they're doing is they're saying, no, no, no, let the states decide. they're saying, no, no, no, let the white christian men decide. >> completely! and look, my message has been consistently since dobbs was overturned, because i think people saw that dobbs decision as like, oh, well, now abortion is banned. they didn't understand that, actually, no, the supreme court doesn't get the final word web do. the dobbs decision doesn't ban abortion, it returns the decision to the state. in every state, there's a pro-reproductive rights majority. they don't want to see these politicians legislate their freedom to control their own

bodies. every poll that has been released since that court decision has said that the majority of people oppose the dobbs decision, and yet they still haven't learned the lesson that, in fact, this is not where people want to go. so we'll have to continue. you know, the argument that abortion and democracy were so closely linked in the election is something that we continue to have to depend on to make sure that people understand, this is actually democracy in action. it is making sure that people understand that the very people that they put in office, all of these lawmakers, these judges who become judges as a function of these lawmakers, state attorneys general, governors, they all have a role to play in whether or not you have access to freedom in your own state. and so we know this is going to be another, you know, 20, 30-year fight. but what i hope is becoming clear to people is that we actually have the agency, we have proven time and again, particularly over the last election, that we actually have the power and the history on our

side. and that's where i want, on this anniversary, really point people's attention. >> well, the thing is that people have to vote for that. because people are just sort of being like, i'm on team republican, so i vote for republicans. and then you get things like this. in the state of montana, conservative leaders have sought seats to tighten the medicaid rules to make it more difficult for low-income people to receive abortions by changing the definition of when it's medically necessary. the opposite is happening in georgia, where the electorate has made it very clear, they don't want georgia to be a florida or a montana or a texas. the speaker there has said, we don't want to live look for anything new right now. but the consequences of what they're doing in these super red states, according to the gender equity policy institute, mothers in states with abortion bans are nearly three times more likely to die during pregnancy, childbirth, or soon after giving birth. restrictive abortion access has been linked to an increase in suicide in young women. and these lawmakers don't care about that. they don't care about maternal

death. they don't care about women becoming ill or even trying to kill themselves. they simply want control over them. and i don't know how toels say that. >> well, there's no other way to say it. it is about power and control and i think it always has been. and i think that this is part of what we have to continue to demonstrate over these next -- through this state legislative session and into '24, where they have made clear that they want a nationwide ban. and we are already seeing the impacts, not just of the dobbs decision, but a year before the dobbs decision, sb8, the impact that it's having on miscarriage management, all of the other sexual and reproductive health care that is under attack. and i think we have to continue to tell the story of, this isn't just about abortion. this isn't just about trying to saving women's lives, because clearly they are not focused on that, they're not even getting medicaid, you know, under aca. they're leaving billions of dollars on the table in each of their states in order to deny

people access to care. they are literally banning bear arms in missouri, because of -- i mean, i have no idea! this is what we're talking about. and i really do think that on the anniversary of roe, i think, you know, we all know roe was already in the floor, that we have to continue to have imagination that is bigger than congress, that is bigger than this movement, you know, bigger than what the opposition is trying to tell us, because they really do not understand how our bodies work and why it is so important for us to remain in control of them. >> indeed, alexis, as you know, women's bear arms are an incredible temptation to the men who cannot resist, you know, acting upon their impulses, if they see those bare arms. you know that that's just a part of it. it's why i call them the taliban. alexis mcgill johnson, thank you very much for being here. up next on "the reidout," judges are officially done with trump's lifelong abuse of the legal

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so what we'll do, i guess we'll sue 'em. let's sue 'em. >> all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> i actually told my lawyers, i said, sue 'em anyway. he's got immunity. but they can't mean immunity for that. i said, sue 'em anyway! even if we lose, the american public will understand. >> if there's one thing we know to be true about donald trump, it's that he loves to sue. over the course of his career,

trump has been involved in an astronomical amount of lawsuits. "usa today" counted 4,095 and that was before he was elected president. they range from suits against the network univision for saying it would not air trump's miss universe pageants after his comments about mexicans being racists to suing his ex-wife ivana for talking too much for details relating to his finances. he even sued the country of scotland for building an offshore wind farm next to one of his hotels. but today, donald trump's weird obsession with lawsuits finally backfired. the former president was hit with a fine of almost $1 million for a lawsuit he filed against hillary clinton, alleging that she along with the democratic national committee orchestrated a malicious conspiracy to investigate his campaign's ties to russia and rigging the election in clinton's favor, even though he literally won that election. it's safe to assume that trump was hoping for southern district of florida judge aileen cannon to oversee the case, given her

track record with the classified documents investigation. but instead, he got judge donald middlebrook, whom let's just say did not hold back. writing in a searing 46-page judgment last night, mr. trump is a prolific and sophisticated litigant who is repeatedly using the courts to seek revenge on political adversaries. he is the mastermind of strategic abuse of the political process and cannot be seen as a litigant blindly following the advice of a lawyer. he knew full well the impact of his actions. well, trump must have gotten the message loud and clear, because this morning he dropped another lawsuit he filed in florida before the sage judge against new york attorney latisha james. joining me now is trystan snell, lead investigator in the trump university probe. david k. johnson, you've been covering trump for a long time. is this the first intelligent legal thing he's ever done, backing away from the new york lawsuit? >> i don't recall anything like

this before. and i'm actually surprised it's taken judges this long, because donald makes frivolous arguments. one of the things i tell my law students at syracuse university, if a judge calls your lawsuit frivolous, he or she is effect effectively saying, you're a drunk in a bar. >> that's accurate. trystan snell, this is what judge middle brooke did going after donald trump for actually using his lawsuits as a way to raise money. frivolous lawsuits should not be used as a vehicle for fund-raising or fodder for rallies or social media. mr. trump is using the courts as a stage set for political theater and grievance. this behavior interferes with the ability of the judiciary to form its constitutional duty. you know, the courts are something that one things we should take seriously, but trump has never taken them seriously. he's, you know, brushed off subpoenas. he's used as the judge said lawsuits as theater and as ways to get himself attention. is this tactic finally kind of

running out of gas for him and if that is the case, could it trickle down to the people who have mimicked him in his camp? >> this could be a way for donald trump to finally pay his fair share in taxes. he's paying more in court fines than he's ever paid in taxes anytime recently. so, you know, maybe this will have some salutary impact. i think he's going to keep doing it as long as he can raise money off of it and as long as the money he's raising, you know, outstrips the amount that he's getting fined, he's going to be turning a profit in his head. i think they're going need to sanction him more, because it is ridiculous. this is a waste of judicial resources and the courts are not a place for him to pursue his political vendettas, plain and simple. >> and also, his lawyers, by and large, have humiliated themselves and made a mockery of the court system. these people are now considered legal jokes, if they still even have the right to practice. just to go through some of the old trump lawsuits, he sued bill

maher in 2013 for joking on "the tonight show" that he would give trump $5 million if he could prove his father was not an orangutan. he sued palm beach, florida, in 2006, after he was cited for violating zoning codes for flying this giant american flag. i could go on and on and on. he sued the eastern peaquauts tribe in 2003, a native american tribe. i mean, you can just go through it. and they get more and more ridiculous. has he ever won any of these crazy suits? >> the crazy ones, i don't think. he has lost some very clear ones. the one against my former "new york times" colleague, tim o'brien, over the size of his fortune, which is nowhere near where donald claims. and he's had others he's dropped

or walked away from, because it was clear he was going to use them. understand, donald uses this strategically. the last time he and i spoke, he called me at home, during the election, the 2016 election, and said -- wouldn't answer my questions about the extraordinary favors that he did for a major international cocaine trafficker that he'd been doing business with for years. and he said, you know, i'm going to sue you. and i said, well, donald, if you have a case, bring your case. do you have a case? and he says, it doesn't matter! i'm going the sue you, i'm going the ruin you! and that's what he does to people. and a lot of people back off because of this. it's been an effective strategy to shield him. and a lot of news organizations have been very tempered in what they reported because of his litigation threats. >> yep. you know who's not tempered? jack smith, because he really doesn't care. the one person i think trystan that he probably does fear and should fear is this guy jack smith. because jack smith has no

incentive to be intimidated. doesn't seem like the type. here trump is freaking out about the special counsel, who is investigating him both for the documents that he stole at mar-a-lago and potentially for fomenting an insurrection. here's trump. >> yet, while i'm being persecuted by trump-hating special counsel, i call them special prosecutors, but this one in particular, he's a prosecutor, and a trump-deranged person, they prosecute all sorts of things, he prosecuted war crimes and war criminals, joe biden in the meantime is being given white-glove treatment by an establishment hack who tried to cover up the russia hoax. he actually tried to cover it up. >> sir, if you can smell fear through the tv, but trystan, do you detech that he might actually be afraid and does he have reason to be? >> you know, the more he lashes out, the more he is afraid.

so you can tell who's he's afraid of by who he spends time paying attention to. these people are all living rent-free in his head. that's basically where jack smith is now. he's taken up the penthouse in trump's head. there's lots of room in there. it's pretty empty. but otherwise, yeah, he's clearly afraid of smith. he should be. smith keeps on loading up his force with a lot of other senior prosecutors, including folks who have experience prosecuting politicians. and there's been a whole secret war going on that very few people have really spent that much time talking about. where if you go to the federal courthouse in d.c., any given weekday, you might bump into a trump lawyer or a senior doj lawyer, and they're there for these closed-door proceedings regarding grand jury testimony, subpoenas, et cetera, et cetera. and by all accounts, trump is losing all of these battles. he knows exactly what's coming, and we can tell that he's freaking out about it by what he

posts. >> yeah. and david, you've been covering this guy for a long time. do you agree with my assessment that running for president was the dumbest thing he ever did, because a lot of his lies are being exposed. as you said, the dealing with mob bosses, the not paying taxes. it's all being uncovered. whether or not he winds up in jail, he's been completely stripped and exposed, the veneer is gone. >> yeah, i don't believe that the law enforcement would have ever focused on donald if he hadn't run for president. he's just gotten away with so much stuff. and he was very good student of his second father, the notorious roy cohn, but once he ran for president doing the things he did, of course law enforcement will be after you. and he goes, this isn't fair. well, if you drive across the country and rob gas stations in four states and four states prosecute you, guess what, you caused that problem. >> yeah! pretty much. and that describes his presidency in my mind over the four years that he was in the white house. david cay johnston and trystan

snell, thank you both very much. still ahead, kevin mccarthy may have finally gotten his precious gavel, but his headaches are not over. his biggest migraine, of course, in the form of serial fabricator george santos, or whatever his name actually is. more on that later after the break. ctually is more on that later after the break. uwith less asthma. and can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. dupixent is an add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that's not for sudden breathing problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor about new or worsening joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines, including steroids, without talking to your doctor. ask your specialist about dupixent. type 2 diabetes? including steroids, without talking to your doctor. discover the ozempic® tri-zone. in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. ozempic® lowers the risk

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one of the first things the new maga republicans in charge of the house and of kevin mccarthy did was get rid of proxy voting, so members actually have to show up to vote. today, florida congressman greg steube is out. he's out! he's out of the icu, i should say, but he still remains hospitalized after falling from a 25-foot ladder, suffering serious but neng user. it is unclear when he will be able to travel back to washington, so steube cannot vote until he recovers. meanwhile, puck news reports that republican congressman verne buchanan exploded at mccarthy after losing the ways and means chairman fueling anxiety he could retire out of pique. if that were to happen and mccarthy would lose george santos, that would leave mccarthy hostage to just one member. meanwhile, we've learned a lot more about santos. a navy veteran says that santos cheated him out of money from his dying dog's gofundme, which santos denies. immigration records show that santos' mother was not at the world trade center on 9/11, as

he claims, but rather living in brazil at the time. those types of inconsistencies only add more attention to calls for him to resign, and allegations that he lied about his background as a candidate for office. but the latest development speaks to santos' hypocrisy. he's denying that he ever performed in drag while living in brazil, despite photos and video that have surfaced. two sources told nbc news they are confident that this is santos in drag as ka tara in rio in 2007. as we all know, there is nothing wrong with the art form of drag. it's actually really great and fabulous, but santos has been vocal in his support for far-right legislation, like florida's don't say gay law. joining me now is tara setmayer, senior adviser to the lincoln project, who worked as a communication director on capitol hill, and sahil kapur, senior political reporter for nbc news. i want to start with you, here's the challenge for mccarthy. if let's say vern buchanan retires because a maga member got that chairmanship that he

wanted and this other gentlemen, mr. steube stays in the hospital, if he would have then pushed santos out, one republican member, one maga member, or even one democrat could call for that special provision to call for a vote of no confidence in him. and he might not win that. so -- because i am betting he will never push santos out, isn't that the reason why what you're hearing on the hill? >> this is a real challenge for speaker mccarthy, joy, no doubt ain't. the narrow majority that's identical to the narrow majority that speaker pelosi saw. it's hard to figure that that isn't at least part of one of the calculus and deciding to tolerate george santos right now, which i would say he is doing. he is tolerating george santos. he is not pushing him out. he knows that vote is going to be valuable to him.

the one thing george santos has been willing to do is vote reliably the way kevin mccarthy wants, both on legislation, on the rules package and to make him speaker. if he loses him, that's one less reliable vote that he has. and at the same time, santos has become a huge embarrassment to the party, to the point where multiple other new york republicans, including several first-term members that he just got elected with have called on him to resign. they don't want to be associated with this man, who has now been exposed as a serial fabricator and a liar. this could go on for weeks or months. the ethics committee is investigating. kevin mccarthy has said he'll wait for that to happen and then make a decision. it seems like part of the calculation for republican leadership is, does he become so much of a liability that it's worth losing that one vote in a four-vote majority, joy. >> the thing is, tara, how hypocritical? they don't want to be associated with santos, but fine being associated with matt gaetz, who was alleged to have trafficked a little girl across state lines

for sexual purposes, gosar, whose own family says he's a racist, jim jordan, who was an assistant wrestling coach in ohio when a lot of bad things were done to children. they're fine being associated with marjory green, the qanon lady, the other qanon lady from colorado, bowbert. all of them are fine? so, santos has done no more lies than trump, you know? how can they say they don't want to be associated with just him. because he did drag allegedly? >> that's the thing. it's just really infuriating as we watch this unfold and we listen to kevin mccarthy and others and try to just dismiss this and say, well, he was elected by his voters and he'll be seated like everyone else. i mean, this idea that this is just, well, this is just another problem, like normal political issue. no, it's not! but these are the same people who voted for donald trump, who made excuses for donald trump, and we already know the litany of transgressions of donald trump. all in the name of political

power. that was all this is about. they literally we vealed to the world that the republican party today has absolutely no principles, no foundation, they're willing to be as hypocritical as possible, just for power. and kevin mccarthy, to sahil's point, he said he's tolerating santos and he's enabling him. i would go further than that. he's a master enabler. that's what he does, in order to benefit him. and so, by doing that, other republicans, now, this is causing a problem within the caucus, especially in new york, because they know what a liability santos is. they don't want him around. and you put up with this for two years, let's say he survives it and he isn't arrested or prosecuted, because that's about the only thing that will get him out of there. then what happens in two years? this will all come caving in on them, because they didn't stand up and get rid of this guy. this is a political nightmare for kevin mccarthy, on top of others. what does it profit a man to gain the speaker's gavel just to lose the power and your soul at the same time.

>> he isn't doing anything for santos that he hasn't done for trump. i think he's the perfect emblem for the party. he represents the party perfectly. >> perfect "avatar". >> he should be their avatar, 100%. i think he fits right in. kyrsten sinema, let's talk about this, sahil. i don't know whatting your you're hearing from the hill about how much hand wringing there might be on the senate site. kris tan sinema has switched to be an independent, she's given headaches to her party the whole time. now it looks like she is actually drawing a challenger, congressman ruben gallegos is expected to announce on monday, "newsweek" first reported it. how much heartburn is there among democrats about this? in my mind, i feel like, i don't know who her base is. her base is republican. so it seems like ruben gallegos would have a pretty good shot. >> there is serious heartburn within the democratic party about a possible three-way race in arizona. it is gallegos, as the democratic nominee versus a republican nominee, and kyrsten sinema potentially running as an

independent. i want to underscore, sinema has not said whether she is running. she has not made her intentions known at all and she has refused to answer questions. she recently told a radio station that she's not focused on campaign politics and she said this is why people hate politics, because everyone is focusing on it. that aside, we do expect congressman ruben gallegos to announce on monday that he will run for the u.s. senate seat in arizona. and given the way things are shaping up, he is emerging as the favorite to win the democratic nomination. now, i spoke recently today to an adviser to gallegos, who said they are eager for this race, if and when he does jump in the race, what i would expect is for him to argue that this is not a matter of left and right, for them to frame it as, who is fighting for working people in arizona versus wall street. they believe that is a message that will work against sinema, as well as it will work against the republicans. they are bracing for this to be a two-way race or a three-way race. of course, everyone recognizes that a two-way race would be easier for a democrat to win against kyrsten sinema, because

she does, according to the limited polling that we have seen, poll more for the democrats and republicans. for all the headaches and nuisances that she was for democratic leadership, she does align more closely, you know, with the center left than the right on issues, more social issues, cultural issues, than economic issues, where she does have kind of a closer relationship with conservatives. so the big question in the race is whether sinema stays in, whether she potentially plays a kind of a spoiler role, because it's difficult at the moment, if you look at her favorable rating in the polling to see a path of victory as a centrist and an independent. >> she cannot get re-elected. and i'll remind people when she stood in the way of voting rights and women's rights, guy yayga is looking pretty good. eureka o'hara joins me next. we'll be right back after this short break.

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anti-lbgtq bills are in the works throughout the united states, looking to weaken anti-discrimination laws, limiting access to books about them, and trying to ban or sensor performances like drag shows. well, all of this is a distraction from republicans' total lack of a popular policy agenda, there are very real and frightening consequences to their actions. a new morning consult poll shows that 86% of trans or non-binary youth find these laws are targeting them personallily. three in ten experienced cyber bullying or online harassment as a result of anti-lgbtq policies and debates. last year, a quarter have lost touch with family because of their gender identity. last year, an anonymous survey conducted by the trevor project found that 45% of lgbtq youth respondents have seriously contemplated suicide. just consider that for a second. my next guest is a drag and

transicon, who has had her own very real journey overcoming many of these challenges. joining me now is eureka o'hara, co-host of with the we're here" on hbo. which binged all three seasons of. and thank you so much for being here, eureka. >> thank you so much for having me, joy. you look gorgeous! >> it's because i haven't watched "we're here" and cried off all my makeup yet. i want to talk to you, because to hear republicans tell it, you would think that there were, you know, tens of millions of transkids and adults who were just marauding the united states and creating all sorts of havoc. i was shocked when the wonderful producer who produced this segment found -- rachael, found that there are 121,000, 882 children between 16 and 17 years old, who were diagnosed with

gender dysphoria. and yet, there's this oversized emphasis on trying to criminalize them and criminalize transadults. and i just wonder for you, how that makes you feel? >> well, it's disheartening, honestly. you know, we've moved so much in a direction of equality in our country. and now that we're starting to express ourselves outwardly, especially transindividuals, it seems like people are trying to push back even harder. i do hate that a lot of the attention is being pushed through drag, which they think is going to manipulate people in thinking that it's all about the drag, but really, who you're hurting are trans individuals. when you're passing these laws saying that you can't express yourself, this is the way people live. like myself, as a trance trans individual. i walk out of the house and dress how i feel, as a female. i'm a trans woman. but these laws being passed

could criminalize me for truly existing. and living my identity. >> well, and you know, the reason i asked you that question, because, right, it feels like the attack on drag performances, which let's face it, donald trump and giuliani have done drag performances. drag has been there since -- right! drag has been around since shakespeare, where all the roles are played by women. drag is nothing new, and i don't believe them when they say that they're afraid of drag performances. what they really hate are trans people. and i didn't know, even though i'm a super fan of yours and a super fan of your show, your identity until this scene in the final episode of this season. take a look.>> the first coupled such an amazing time. but when i was going back to my hotel, i was falling into these dark spaces. and i was just feeling really bad about myself. -- they're gonna talk about, me i've had the year the transitioning. [crying] and i'm terrified to

go back to that place. -- unless i'm presenting feminine. >> let me pull what i always have to have with me when i watch your show. >> [inaudible] >> the thing, is eureka, it was not clear in the other episodes. because the three of you, while being lgbtq, proudly so, you never talked in the previous episode about being trans. and you also talked about something we don't talk a lot about, which, is you transitioned and then re-transition back. which about 2%, according to this atlantico article by leo valdez and pena mckinnon -- who are social workers an expert in this -- do transition back. can you talk about why you transition back and why you made the decision to transition again. and how all of that works. >> thank you. i was put through a lot of discomforts and fear when i

lived in -- as a trans woman from 18 to 23. and i was honestly afraid for my life. i went through a lot of really traumatic experiences that caused me to re-decide how i was going to present myself and live. because i needed to have success. i needed to build my life up to support my mother, who was sick. my family. and i wanted to be somebody. and i saw so many trans individuals being killed or, sexualize, et cetera. and for a long time i found contentment with being nonbinary. but as i progress is a human being, and especially this last year, working with mandy -- who was in transitioning -- and another who transitioned at ten years old. and still not getting -- about who she was. seeing pictures with her and her family being respected as the daughter that they had, you know, it reminded me that i don't have to be afraid anymore. because i don't want to live in that fear of not being allowed

to exist. it makes me self destructive. it makes me want to harm myself. it doesn't want to make me hurt other people. it makes me want to illuminate my existence. because i don't believe that i am living authentically as myself. and the worst struggle on the world is a fight that you have within your own mind. and i decided the rest of the world, i can fight you are better than i can fight myself. because, honey, if i try hard enough, i will kill myself. you know? but i can fight the world. and that is the fight i'm willing to do to be able to be my authentic self and be happy. and the unafraid. you know, there's a beautiful woman who said it, freedom is living without fear. >> amen. i have to say that this show -- and everyone should watch. it doesn't matter how you present or who you are, it is just so heartwarming. and you guys are so brave and so fine. but it hurts my heart so deeply when you cry. because you're always making

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the end of another week. thank goodness! which means it's time to play our favorite game! ♪ ♪ ♪ who won the week. back with me is the great eureka o'hara, to play this game -- dj has played. i don't think prepares. it's now your turn, my sister. so please tell, me who won the week? >> who and weak? i want to first give a shutout to wear here -- we won the -- award for -- series. bob the drag queen was invited to a part of madonna's tour. >> you are breaking news on the show. bob is going to be touring with madonna? >> madonna. the opening act for madonna's new tour. i'm gagged. that is my sister. she has worked so hard. it's incredible. >> that is amazing. okay. now i gotta figure out where that tour is going and when we can go. --

kind of see madonna, really to see bob. >> logo together. >> maybe we'll meet up. that's not like a plan. okay, cool. my who won the week is someone who i first met way back when i was a young in, beckett wtvj, nbc's affiliate in miami. he's retiring after 30, years it is the great carey sanders. he graduated at the university of south florida. he started his career at wtvj. he's been in the business for 32 years. in the course of that career has been to all states, all seven continents, also the north pole. he covered more than 100. storms he's being blown around in the wind from the ground. and he also reported from the ground from the iraq war. kerry sanders, we love you. these are all great pictures of you. and -- i just love to see somebody get a chance to sit on a beach. because he's done so much. >> you need the rest are in our. >> maybe he can come to madonna