fox sports show undisputed. he is also a huge fan of the lakers and their star, lebron james. a pair of actors who became famous as children are planning some big career changes. ben savidge, star of boy meets world filed paperwork this week to run for congress. if he runs and when she would take the seat currently held by adam shift who is expected to run for senate in the golden state. and then there's frankie in, his star malcolm in the middle announcing this week he will compete as a full-time race car driver. beginning in february, a daytona international speedway. nunes has raced before, it lost time in 2011 when he came in second place. that wraps it up for me this hour, i'm lindsey reiser symone starts right now. >> gratings every, one you are watching symone. the u.s. is in jeopardy of defaulting on its debt payment for the first time in history. this is after the country had

its that limit, house speaker kevin mccarthy and republican congress, they are risking your economic statement that stability, all before spending cuts even though this has nothing to do with news spending. president, biden he is not negotiating on this. so, what happens now? and the president says he has no regrets when it comes to the handling of documents found in a delaware home because he is cooperating fully with the justice department. critics say he is giving too many questions unanswered. we will get into why it is consistent with president biden's approach to the department of justice. meanwhile, one of my least favorite topics, donald trump. okay a judge, a former president to pay nearly 1 million dollars in fines for filing a frivolous lawsuit against his political foes. why one payout will be particularly painful for for mr. trump and at this time it could be targeted from using the course for future political gains. i am simone sanders thompson, and i have something to say.

extraordinary measures and that is what treasury secretary janet yellen says is necessary to keep america afloat until june. this is after the u.s. government hit its debt limit this past thursday. in a letter to congressional leadership, yellin more inch, that period of time that extraordinary measures may last it's subject to considerable uncertainty. including the challenges of forecasting the payments and receipts of the u.s. government munson to the future. respectfully urge congress to act promptly to protect the full faith and credit of the united states. that is the treasury secretary basically begging congress to give further tools to pay our bills. so let me just give you all a refresher out, they're the debt limit is not about new spending. the debt limit dictates how much the government can borrow to pay its bills that are

already do. the united states has never intentionally failed to pay its debts before but house republicans say they are threatening to drive america over that cliff unless they get the drastic spending cuts they are demanding. never mind that the national debt increased by 7.5 trillion dollars under former president trump and that they, republicans raised that ceiling with no hesitation three times while trump was president. this is not just boring but keeping folks, if the country does default on its loans, you will feel the impact. according to the think think third, way americans would lose 3 million jobs. the average worker nearing retirement could see $20,000 and savings erased. prices of everyday items will skyrocket, and after all of that, the national debt would actually increase at more than 800 billion dollars. but speaker kevin mccarthy, he does not seem to share secretary yellen's sense of urgency. take a listen. >> there is no doom right

today. the hundreds of billions of dollars that the government currently has, we will not hit our debt limit to really the summer. >> you are seeing get a another example of why republicans are failing americans when it comes to peoples pocketbooks. here is another, house republicans have introduced a so-called fair tax act. this fair tax act would abolish virtually all federal taxes, along with the irs in favor of a 23% national sales tax. that is right, y'all the same members who are railing against inflation, they want to raise the cost of things that you buy by double digit percentage points. now this bill almost certainly will not become the law but it is a lesson. make no mistake, they are willing to meddle with your money, they are playing with your livelihoods and calling it common sense. joining me now is ranking member of the house budget committee, democratic congresswoman brendan boyle of pennsylvania. congressman, thank you so much for being here. last, congress you introduced

legislation that would actually transfer the debt ceiling authority to the treasury rather than congress. section four of the 14th amendment says that the validity of the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. so sir, do you believe that there is a constitutional mandate not to lead the debt limit to a congressional vote? >> well first, it is great being on the show simone. you know the reason why i introduced that legislation will be reintroducing it shortly this congress is because this that selling this function which seems to arise every time there's a democratic president in the white house and republicans control the congress. it is not healthy, as does not achieve anything and frankly, it's dangerous. in 2011, we came within days of the actual debt ceiling deadline. just coming that close to not raising the debt ceiling cause the first downgrade in the

history of the united states. and you found it increased the burrowing found by billions of dollars. you know it used to be that congress raise the debt ceiling no matter what, it was not an issue. it has been race 70, 80 different times. >> it is a bipartisan effort, it has been race under republican presidents and has been raised under democratic presidents. under about to tell me about, it used to be a time but i want to get this question in for you about the speaker mccarthy's tweet. i think it was a very misleading tweet that he sent yesterday. a claim that the white house abided him to discuss terms for a boarding at that ceiling debacle. the white house says that raising the debt limit is not conditional, there are no negotiations that will take place. and so as you talk about the history of this particular issue, what do you make of speaker mccarthy's approach here? >> yes, actually a perfect segue because as i was, saying it was never controversial. it happened for you now close to 100 years and then what

happened is the republican party became so extreme. beginning as you know in 2010, you had the tea party wave. tea party republicans were the forerunner to maga republicans. and then suddenly, they discovered here is a really dangerous tool. kind of dynamite to the national, international economy. we can use this as leverage. bringing yourself to what mccarthy wants to do right, now that is what the maga republicans want to do. threaten something so awful in order to win their economic program. which as they have, said includes devastating cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid. we will not negotiate over this, the president has been clear. democrats in congress have been clear. we have to raise, it period. if you want to have discussions about future spending, we are always going to have that discussion. every year we have to authorize the budget. >> every other budget isn't that coming, up the 2023 budget to your point has already been authorized. i think it's an important point

you make sir because the idea from a number of your republican colleagues is that it's about spending. it's not, it's about money that has already been allocated. there is a 2024 fiscal year budget that will have to be passed by the end of this september. september of this year. you all ranking member of the house budget committee. how do you plan to enter that conversation? there are going to be drastic cuts or republicans are demanding. they will have the majority of the seats. >> he has to, know first take, not what i am saying. take their own words. kevin mccarthy driving through the number two leader over in the senate. every single republican who was seeking the chairmanship of ways and means, as well as budget, they have flat out said they want to cut entitlements. they want to reduce the spending and social security, medicare and medicaid. we are not going to let them get away with. it and the reality is, we have seen the deficit come down by 50% in the last couple of years. more than any other beginning

of any other presidential administration. >> that's kind of historic. >> yes exactly, so i mean they're focused on deficit and debt's just because there is a democrat in the white house. it's a talking point in search of actual facts. >> well we will be watching how this all plays out sir. before i let you go, the documents again, i'm talking about president biden's classified documents that were found in a private office of his from the time that he was vice president. that's where the documents are from. kevin the white house response us far, i wonder if you think what they are actually prepared for what is coming, particularly when we look at congressional investigations from the oversight committee? >> yes you know, look the president and the white house did exactly what they were supposed to. do they discover documents, and mediately notified the proper authorities. they are cooperating 100%. that is literally the exact opposite of the way that donald trump and his cronies have been

behaving. whether it's the documents or something else, the extremist maga republicans are going to find something that they want to investigate this white house for. they will try and say that the documents came off of hunter biden's laptop and they are somehow related to 31,000 emails from hillary clinton. or come up with some other crazy, lunatic sort of conspiracy. they will do that regardless. >> you know i have to laugh to keep from crying because all of the things that you just said are things that republican members of congress have established. congressman brandon boyle, thank you for coming on today 's. are good to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, folks i will bring in my political panel to dive into the showdown over the debt ceiling and the potential risk for actual republicans. do they exist and then we look into more drama over congressman george santos. y'all, i have to, say keep your eye on the money okay? but, first my colleague jessica layton, here with today's other top news stories. hey jessica. >> hey, simone happy saturday.

stories we are watching for you at this, our nbc news has confirmed that abbott laboratories is under investigation by the justice department. this follows a wall street journal report saying that the company is under criminal investigation related to its manufacturing of infant formula. and pc news has not confirmed the focus of this investigation but an abbott spokesperson says that company is fully cooperating with the justice department. and memphis, tennessee, five police officers have been fired in connection with the death of tyree nichols during a traffic stop earlier this month. police chief c.j. davis said an investigation found the officers violated several of their department policies during that traffic stop, including excessive force, duty to intervene and duty to render aid. and customs and border protection officials say more illegal border crossings are recorded in december than any other month during joe biden's presidency. last month, illegal border crossings were up about 40% compared to december 2021. i am jessica layton, more

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that the white house agreed to their spending cuts before they agreed to raise the debt ceiling. but the white house position, i think it's been very clear. raising the debt ceiling is not negotiable for them. here is white house press secretary kareen jean pierre. >> it is something that should be happen and be done without conditions. we should not be negotiating around it. it is the duty, the basic duty of congress to get that done. and so we are not going to, we are just not going to negotiate about that. >> well my political panel is here to discuss. tyler pager is a white house reporter for the washington post, political commentator receipt colbert is here. she is the host of the upcoming rishi colbert show on sirius xm. and michael singleton is a former republican, also a host

of a show on sirius xm, the charm michael singleton show. thank you very much everyone, welcome welcome. tyler i will start with you because i've been reading a lot of your violence as of late. what are some of the scenarios for how this debt ceiling fight might actually end? >> well i don't think either the democrats or republicans really want to default on the debt. we are seeing some of that classic political positioning where each side is trying to get concessions from the other. neither side wants to negotiate over this right now. as we heard closer towards this deadline, i think we will see more conversations between the white house and house republicans to figure out how to resolve this. we have our recent treasury secretary warned about the consequences for not dealing with this issue. i think we're going to need to see them take a more public profile on this role trying to de-politicize the process, focusing on the economic repercussions of hurdling down towards this deadline. but, look it's a new dynamic in

washington. republicans have control of the house in the white house has to reckon with the fact that they're going to need to work with republicans to get this done. there is few other avenues available at this point. >> i mean true, we are filling with the full faith and credit of the united states of america, the dollar honey is not a game. you know what we think about the debt ceiling, and think about this legislation that we are seeing from the house specifically. their fair tax act that i talked about at the beginning of the, show these antiabortion measures. this is for the same extremism that lost republicans the midterms and i don't think any of it will pass the senate but, rishi's agenda may be a gift to democrats? even if it's over the american people? >> absolutely, i mean it cannot be a bigger gap for 2024 to show what the republicans actually want to do. for the past two, years they've had the benefit of just being a no vote on everything that passed and people benefited from. but now the american people are going to get to see just how

extreme there's republicans are. not at the state level but the federal level and how much is going to hit them in the pocket books. republicans have an unarmed reputation of being good on jobs, being good on the economy and most importantly being good on taxes. these tax increases are going to be very jarring, even if they don't pass to the american people to see what could happen if they take full control. >> i mean the 23% federal tax from the tax act, i thought that was insane. like the eggs are already $9 at my safeway, i don't know about you all. something that i think everybody here could agree on is that the border, it needs attention. it's an issue, something that republicans have been talking about, something democrats. maybe not talking as much about the something that they're definitely trying to address. and this, month the house oversight committee will now hold a hearing on what is happening at the border. i want to put this up on the screen for folks because actually not this month in february and it is worth noting that at least five of the republican members have paired

the blatantly racist, great replacement, conspiracy theory more than a dozen members voted to overturn the results of the 2020 election. shermichael, i just think especially the people we put up on the screen, these are some very unserious players. do you think that people will have to take this particular hearing seriously? >> no, i mean i guess the people who support them will take it serious but the average american person likely not. i think the risk here for republican simone's as rishi pointed, out they may lose independent swing voters. some of whom crossed over and give them this very slim majority come 2024. despite the embarrassment that may come from these hearings, whether it is hunter biden or about the border, joe biden for the most part i would say strategically speaking does have somewhat of an advantage. unemployment numbers for every demo, group significantly low. i think if you look at the overall state of the economy, minus a few things here and there, we are doing pretty.

well i've to give the president credit, even if i disagree with some other issues. and so i think you look at it from a democratic and republican perspective, i think ours have far more to lose and now the question, becomes can kevin mccarthy actually real some of those people and simone? and i think we know the answer that is simply no because mccarthy does not have much influence as it is. >> i think that we literally saw how he did not have real control over the caucus. it is something to watch and particularly interested in the white house preparations for this particular border hearing. or for a let you all, go from this particular moment, we have to talk about congressman george santos. okay, this is a lot. he has some very serious allegations for a lying, about a number of aspects of his past on the 2020 campaign. basically almost all of it. separately, though this week, he has denied two things. there is a veterans claim that the congressman pocketed money from a gofundme page and attended the page for treatment of the veterans dying service

dog. and the dog died, and then you have images and footage that of service from 2007, the two or sources tell nbc news appears to be santos and drag while living in brazil. the brazilian journalist who interviewed the person and block in this video says that he is very confident the individual was in fact george santos. now i want to be very clear, there is nothing wrong with participating in the art form of drag but when you're a member of a party that's introduced more than 100 anti coup bills in the most month of 2023 alone, when you have cozied up to lawmakers who have vilified the lgbtq+ community and when they ask you, is that you? and you say i never did, it get the picture and they're like is a few? i just feel like there is something going on here tyler. what is going on? what is going on? what is happening? >> a lot of questions, it seems like every day there is a new story about a new revelation and a new a consistency and congressman santos background. obviously, all of the started

to come out after he was already elected to congress and there has been many calls from both democrats and republicans for him to resign. he has shown no interest or even thought about doing so. and i think one of the things here to look at this from the macro, political lens is at speaker kevin mccarthy cannot really afford to lose and a more republican support in his own conference. george santos was one of the people that was astonishment and kevin mccarthy backyard, helped him what the latest of the conference, getting the speakership bid. and what this ability to any republican to call for a martian to vacate which could and kevin mccarthy speakership. it is in his political interest to ensure that santos is a reliable vote for him in the conference. now he is a congressman, and if you were to resign, it is likely a democrat would replace him and that is not something that kevin mccarthy wants to have to deal with. at this, point it seems like there is no, there is no incentive for george santos to resign and each day there will be another revelation about something in his background as

seemingly is inconsistent with what he has said publicly. >> islam adjoining point i think is the thing that everyone should listen to and take from what you said there. d i also think that this focus n the possible drag, career the dog, it is insane but i really think at this track some very serious questions about george santos's finances. he is under investigation by federal prosecutors over financial disclosures and loans that he made to his campaign when he was running for congress. receipt, you will not the last word on. this is that getting lost and the other lies? i should also note that nbc news has reached out the george santos for comment, and we have yet to hear back. >> well you know some, mounted a george santos to quote a real housewives has been like who will check maybe when it comes to all of these lies? but these investigations into his finances are very serious. we know that he is basically a low budget boot like donald trump. instead of scamming and bankrupting casinos, he is on a lower end of the scale but it is still very serious. if anything will boot him out

of this very short-lived political career that he is going to have, it is going to be these investigations. -- >> it will be the investigations teller pointed, out no incentive for republicans to tamper what their majority. lucky for the viewers and myself, tyler rishi, charles michael are all sticking around because we have a lot more to talk about a little later in the show. i will see you guys. still ahead, the house judiciary committee chair, jim jordan you know so he actually asked the justice department to hand over information about president biden's classified documents case. how did that go? well i will fill you in on that next. am i a big deal? yeah you are, because it's a big deal, when you get a big deal. wayfair deals so big that you might get a big head. because with savings so real... you can get your dream sofa for half the price. wayfair. it's always a big deal. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪

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school republican congressman jim jordan this week because it looks like he may have needed a lesson in the way that justice department handled its investigations. the judiciary committee which jordan leads asked the doj to hand over all of its information about the classified documents found in president biden's home and former office. well, the department of justice responded by letter saying quote long-standing department policy prevents us from confirming or denying the existence of pending investigations or providing non public information about our investigations the letter said. now meanwhile, president biden made his first public comments about the documents since the department of justice appointed a special counsel to look into them. here is what he said. >> fully cooperating looking forward to getting this resolved quickly, i think you will find that there is nothing there and i have no regrets.

>> former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst cynthia oxley is here to help break it all down. very good to see you my friend. so you heard president biden's comments and then, come forward that we also see that he is cooperating. so your former prosecutor, how much of a difference does this really make? >> well it makes a huge difference. i mean about their problems with, that let's face it, simone it is not. good it is just not good having this case. >> one of the problems? >> the problems are twofold in my view. one is that it kind of takes the high road away from the white house when there are these similar cases. i mean look a lot of differences, anyone who watches the show knows the differences. they are obvious, one includes obstruction, one doesn't. one includes immediately had nine documents, over one doesn't. when includes hiding documents after subpoena, one does not. one includes having your lawyer, sly one doesn't. it is obvious, all of the differences. to your average joe voter, there are also similarities because they are both documents

that are someplace where they don't belong. and that does hurt into, weighs one it will hurt in a future indictment, the legitimacy of any future indictment of trump. and the larger problem for me is that both of these cases have special councils, that is good. i am for that. and a special counsel will make a recommendation to the attorney general on charging. and the attorney general is a notoriously cautious person. and i think it may affect his decision-making. that is what worries me. i am worried that he will be less willing to go forward on a serious case because he is concerned about the legitimacy of the cases given that there is too. >> so cynthia, let's play that down because i think you are right. to the average person who is not following this very closely, they hear documents, president biden, to hear documents on all trump and they want to ask what is the difference? i think you detailed a number of the differences.

i want to put up a little bit of an read a little bit of op-ed from jonathan alter in the new york times. it's as, quote mr. trump is a drifter who appears to have intentionally taken hundreds of classified documents and seemingly defied a subpoena to return the documents. mr. biden by contrast was sloppy and slow to search for and disclose the existence of about 20 straight classified documents but is fully cooperating with authorities. i think everyone is giving their take on all of this but to, me i ask a number of federal prosecutor recently that did merrick garland have to appoint the special counsel here? is there any, is there anything legally wrong with what is going on? they said he didn't but to your, phone he is very cautious. so is there any danger in the potential conflating of the two cases here for the people from the outside looking in? also people inside of the justice department because shouldn't each of these cases stand on its own? what is about a person that line and the other one is about someone that found something

it's at all, let me give it back. now folks are like oh, what else is going on? >> right on the jonathan alter piece, jonathan alter is really smart guy but a little bit of a sky is falling in a dark hill. i mean, how many people have declared joe biden dead? like 7 million people, the guy is not that. he will rise again and everything will be fine. but on your point about legally, the cases should be decided, completely separately. and if you think about, i think about cases and there are cases unless there's a case in california, case in new york and you know we don't do those comparisons. you make a case is based on the facts and make or charging decisions. this is an unusual situation because the attorney general is the one who will make the charging the station. and you just naturally, there is no way not to be looking at both cases. and that is what does concern me. i will say, this i don't see any reason, i'm very happy that he has appointed the special counsel. i think it insulates him

especially a special counsel is appointed by term. i think it insulates garland to make the decision, not a reason in the world that he can't make that decision on the mar-a-lago case right now. forgot, six that petito -- >> talk about it, cynthia talk about it. >> didn't like, it sorry is seductive until we asked a return, them he lied about, it he moved them. he is obstructed the justice. >> it's very clear, it's very clear. can i note, there is someone that has made a ruling about donald trump. not in the queso of the documents. we have a federal judge in florida and the charges actually find that donald trump and his lawyers nearly 1 million dollars for filing a frivolous lawsuit against former secretary hillary clinton. and donald trump is actually ordered to personally pay a secretary $127,000 in the ruling, this district judge donald middlebrook's called donald trump a quote prolific and sophisticated litigant who has repeatedly using the courts to seek revenge on political adversaries. and after all of this, donald

trump dropped a lawsuit against new york, attorney general letitia james. separate from the documents case that we were just describing, quickly, do you expect donald trump to stop filing lawsuits to target his political enemies? not given all the trouble he isn't and now this ruling? >> i would expect him to stop filing documents and cases where he might get judge middlebrook's. i mean if it had been a different federal judge, that other case, that i'm not sure he would've done. it is ammo, it's what he's done for a very long time and as my mother would, say people don't change after the age of five. >> cynthia ochsner, thank you so much for being here and breaking it all down. appreciate you. all right folks, my political panel is back with me. tyler pager, rishi colbert and charles michael singleton. all right tyler, you heard my conversation with cynthia. you have also been writing about the biden documents case specifically. i do think, everyone knows, i used to work for the president and that president eliminating

his comments on ongoing justice department investigations is actually very consistent with the approach that he and his white house is willing to have to the justice department in the past. but given the political fallout that they have been experiencing, based on your reporting, would you say that the white house might need to reevaluate their strategy here? >> yes, look i think there is some regret within the white house and within the president circle about the way in which this all came together. look they found the documents in early november, they say they have filed every responsible protocol to ensure that the documents return to where they were supposed to be which was in the possession of the national archives. and then cooperated with the department of justice and the fbi's investigation into how the documents ended up where they were. they thought that by following those protocols, they would ensure that there is a quick and speedy resolution to this case and would become clear that it was not an intentional hiding of documents for either just some sloppy mishandling at the end of the chaotic exit

from the vice president's office and residence in 2017. but you know, now months later, as special counsel investigation and there is concerns within the administration, the public that the white house was not as transparent as they could've been when this first investigation first came to light. >> now charles michael, it seems that republicans know that saying quote unquote, double standard exist talking about the biden cape and the trump documents case. they will muddy the waters. how do you think that the folks inside the media apparatus should navigate that? they all are saying it. >> you have to point out the differences here of course, 20 plus documents for us estranged plus documents. that actually matters, numbers matter and handing the documents over and not cooperating in all of those facts and details of that the american people need to. no simone of a very different approach to this. i wrote about this for the boston globe, i think it gives him an opportunity for president biden to actually reform, the handling of the

classified process. you and i both a fad ts clearances in the political appointees for the president. and i'm not surprised necessarily that in a rush to get out of, there are some documents were taken. we can get through this simply by the president during executive action, saying you know what? we need to have a manual review and some of the reviews to make sure this doesn't happen again. the last time a president attempted to make some change the process, which president obama. i think president biden has an opportunity to pick up where the former president left off. >> i would also know, there is a difference between what actual rules and then watch this protocol and we will be talking about that going forward. before i let you all go, vice president harris, recently hosted a gathering of young black men at the white house. it was all to get their thoughts on everything from mental health, business, education and more. very important conversations. i think being initiated by another one of my former bosses. i saw this on instagram, that the white house, the vice president's office not put it out there but these young men were treating.

read c, representation matters, substance records matter. i just want some very quick thoughts on you from how this is more genuine than the sham representation folks were talking about and candidates like herschel walker? >> absolutely, incredibly important and the thing about it is that vice president kamala harris has shown that she has the receipts when it comes to engaging with the black community and specifically with black man. i appreciate that she was engaging with them be on the issue of justice reform. that is what people tend to go to when they are thinking about black issues she was. talking about mental, health talking about entrepreneurship. in a number of things and so what it is going to take to win and maintain the black vote and particularly with black man is this constant engagement and the credibility that you build up by being present. >> all, right we will leave it there, tyler perry, gee reecie colbert, and shermicheal singleton, thank you all very much. and when we come back, new orleans mayor latoya cantrell

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president biden at the white house on friday. that was something that came up in his remarks, and all of your meetings. what were you all there to ask for and what was the presidents response? >> well one it was making sure that the cities have the necessary resources on the ground but absolutely, carrying about our immigrant communities and wanting to ensure the policies are in place to protect our people. to protect people period. and so mayor suarez, the president of the conference definitely pushed our precedent on that. he responded very favorably, visiting the borders himself. just making a real commitment to work with mayors on the ground and of course, responding to the needs of the border and on the border. >> was there a particular policy prescriptions that you all were looking for? >> well one was making sure listen, it's about resources as well. and ensuring that when our immigrant communities are coming into our cities, that there are additional resources to respond in realtime. not only, that we want to make

sure again that we remain a welcoming city a, welcoming country as well. >> our issue males are juuling with across the board. looking to see how this develops. i know the public safety and crime is also something that mayors from across the country and u.s. congress of mayors has discussed. you specifically announced a new reduction task force and response to the rise in gun violence and your city. i want to put up on the screen for folks what you said. at a recent press conference you said you know the violence impacts all of, us definitely close to home in our neighborhoods and alike and i say close to home because i'm not living myself out of equation. it impacts as all. what do you mean by that? >> will you know it, does it impacts us. all it impacts where i live is. well the people have to see me as there may, or see themselves and me and knowing that as we deploy and focus on public safety, that it is about making sure that all of our residents are safe as well as our visitors. making sure, it is through an executive order creating that

violence of crime reduction task force. making sure that all of our stakeholders are at the table from our judges, our dea. of course the police chief and then the committee and orleans city council. so that we are looking at data, written and real time, addressing trans in realtime. making sure that we are wearing boots on the, ground officers are deployed in a way that again, getting back to the basics. being not only visible but making sure that we are making those solid arrests. we are working with federal partners as, well getting guns off the streets. >> guns is something that specifically, i know. not just in new orleans but across the country, every community large and small folks are dealing with it? before i let you go, the infrastructure bill that is now a law. i wonder if new orleans feeling the effects of that. and if you were at the white house with president biden, did you talk about? that that had come up? do you think there is more to be done? >> while the infrastructure

bill is something that is going to be a lifeline for our cities. really for the country. focusing on roads, streets, drainage, you know bridges, transportation. all of these things are vitally important. in the city of new orleans, we are focusing on of course that green infrastructure, making sure that we mitigate flooding in our community. that we are you, know at the forefront of climate change no doubt about it. we are spending that federal dollars right now in our city in being able to leverage additional federal dollars relative to infrastructure. it is something that is going to be transformational in our city. really in cities around the country. >> all right maybe a ribbon cutting coming in new orleans sometime soon? >> there is one in a week, even more. i will tell you the time is, now it was two years to yesterday you know in terms of this administration, the biden administration. i will tell, you just with the american rescue plan dollars as well. i cannot leave without giving

love for that. >> i will not american rescue plan was immediate relief, this infrastructure bill and whatnot was some longer term relief that might take a little while for people to feel and see but it is going to make a lasting impact. mayor, you have to come back because i have more questions about infrastructure right now. >> i want to, say a lot more about. it >> all right you will be, back ladies and gentlemen, mayor latoya cantrell of new orleans. thank you very much. appreciate your time. after the break, all we will dig into what is behind that dip in trade union membership. yes there is a depth, a lot more to this than meets the, i stay with us. stay with us this is a bombas performance sock. for such a small item it performs big in so many ways. big on comfort. big on durability. big on breathability. bombas gives you big comfort for all your athletic pursuits.

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actually go to lock more workers in factories, worked in the 24-hour shift and pay them pennies and put their lives in danger to turn a profit. and 1911 the owners of the triangle shortwave's factory in new york in new york city lock their doors to make sure the women and girls, some of them just 14 years old did not take

breaks during their chefs. they worked with highly flammable fabric and one, day it caught fire. 146 people died that day. the owners of the factory, while they face no consequences. following this tragedy, the international ladies garment workers union formed. it was one of the first unionist membership was primarily women. manny who were new emigrants and poor. they demanded fair pay and safe working conditions. and eventually, they got it. when it comes to president that unions, despite having a poor labor white house, membership us at a record low of 10.1% in 2022. as some, say the post pandemic demand for workers has been so high, that labor state were able to get higher pay and safer conditions. but the numbers tell a different story. unfair labor practice complaints went up 19% and 2022. worker petitions to organize one of 53%. and just won the air. union workers make an average of almost $200 more a week then on union members in the same jobs.

unions can increase the size of the middle class and shrink the wealth gap. so to discuss it, all i want to welcome someone who has been and boiled in and intensify to organize workers. chris smalls, the president of the amazon labor union. chris, think you so much for being here. what is your take on the drop and union membership in the united states? >> well, thank you so much for having me. i have a different take on it, you know what i look at the numbers, i look at the jobs that were created that are on a unionized. and i saw some reports that in 2022, 5 million jobs were created that are on unionized. if i look at it as this, it's a hasty stomach issue that we have to solve in this country. and we have to start at the root cause of. it the root cause of it is that unionizing and real history of labor, which was just claimed is not taught to us at an early age and in childhood. you know, i wish i had the

opportunity to learn about being in a union going into elementary school. if you would've told me -- >> chris i'm sorry to interrupt, that's an important point though. people don't actually understand why unions are necessary because they don't know the history. there are people out there that say labor unions, they are just entitled workers asking for more and working. less at think it's very clear, you disagree with. that i do too. can you also kind of talk about what you are asking for from amazon? why it's necessary and why this history has to be taught? >> well, what we are asking for it with amazon is simple. you know we want to be treated like human beings and not like robots. we want higher wages, we want the job security, we want better medical leave options. we want longer breaks. we want a pension, and we want free college for ourselves and our children. these are bread crumbs for amazon. amazon is a trillion dollar company. they make millions of dollars a day and workers are not being

paid and not being appreciated as they should be. you know, we saw that in the pandemic, with them firing workers like myself, this speaking up about health and safety. that would not have happened if i had a union. so my journey and my fight and my amazon labor union that is continuing to fight every day. picture is bigger than us. we look at the bigger picture and we know that we can protect ourselves and other buildings and other warehouses and other industries will follow suit. that is why we have been seeing the apprise and these new unions and independent unions as well in the last year. >> chris i think you are absolutely right. and black history month yet, i would like to say you are living black history. thank you very much for your time and for what you do. >> absolutely, thank you. >> and thank you for watching symone on this saturday, i am simone sanders thompson and you can catch me right here on msnbc weekends at 4 pm eastern. i guess what? don't go anywhere because politics nation with the great

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