was in the white house. i do applaud the president for how he's handling this difficult situation right now. >> representative jasmine crockett, you had to come back and have a conversation about voting rights that you and i were slated to have before the break enters. thank you for rolling with us. that's all the time i have for today, i'm alicia menendez. i'll see tomorrow here at 6 pm eastern. for more american voices, right now, it is time for a man. time for a man. >> hello everyone, we begin with some breaking news this hour. a new surge of president biden's home in wilmington, delaware by justice department authorities that lasted more than 12 hours on friday. it has found six more documents marked classified. that is according to a new statement from the presidents personal lawyer. some of the classified documents and surrounding materials dated from biden's tenure in the senate, where he

represented delaware from 1973 to 2009. this, according to his lawyer bob hour. and some of the documents were from his tenure at the obama administration. now, doj also took some notes that biden had personally handwritten as vice president. this, again, according to his lawyer. neither the president nor the first lady were president during the search. the documents are part of a group of other classified documents previously discovered this month at biden's wilmington residents. also in november at a private office that he maintained out of washington d.c., after ending his tenure as vice president. the documents discovered before friday's search, by the doj, were all found by biden's lawyers according to the white house. we have a lot to break down, let's bring in our panel that will help us make sense of this. lisa rubin, legal analyst for the rachel maddow show. charles m. blow, and charles

coleman. lisa, i will start with you. you have been following the in and outs of this case pretty closely as we have learned. there are a lot of questions i think that a lot of time. but let's start with what we have learned as of this evening with the statement that came out from the presidents special counsel if you will. >> the development of six new documents with classified markings, some of which date back to biden's time in the senate, others of which date back to his time as vice president it's certainly the biggest headline tonight. the other thing that i noticed, and a man, i am sure you noticed as well, those are not the only documents that the doj took this evening. faded not to mention the total number of documents that they took. they just said that the documents that they took relevant to the investigation included six documents with classification markings. certainly the age of any of the documents from his time in the senate is at least 14 years old and potentially longer, given president biden's 30-year

tenure in the senate. so that is certainly of concern. the length of time the doj was at the bottom's residence is also somewhat of a head-scratcher. the wilmington residents is definitely beautiful, but it is not mar-a-lago, and in its size or scope. the fact that they were there for over 12 hours is also something that made an impression on me tonight. >> let me ask you about the senate part of that. why do you think that that is of particular interest? why did that jump out to you as somebody who has been following this particularly closely. >> from a legal perspective that jumps out at me and here is why. there are two things that the law sees as pertinent to whether or not there is a criminal violation. one is intent, and the other is a question of concealment, or obstruction of an investigation that is ongoing. obviously there was no ongoing investigation prior to early november here. as there was in president trump's case. but the age of the documents is something that bears on intent. in other words, why did biden

have documents that dated back to his time in the senate? and what has happened to those documents? who had access to them, where have they've been for the 14 years since president biden last was a member of the senate? >> let me start with you in terms of the fallout of this continue for the president. this is obviously not something that president biden wants to be dealing with. it is a story that i think really begins back in november when the first batch of documents were discovered, even though we learned about them much later. there has been some criticism that perhaps the administration has not been asked forthcoming as it could have been about the process that has unfolded since november. obviously the revelation that we have learned today that there were more documents is not going to bode well for the president, at least optically. >> it is not. i think that you are talking about two distinct conversations. on one hand, there is the court of public opinion and on the other hand, as we have already talked about there is a court

of law. and with respect to the court of public opinion, the one thing that i can say that joe biden has done well is that he has been smart enough not to make the same mistakes that his predecessor has made. he has learned from that in terms of being able to be in front of the narrative and take control of it. what he can unequivocally say that his predecessor cannot, if he is going to continue to stand on it, as is evidence from his attorney, hey, we cooperated. we continue to cooperate. we are continuing to try to be as forthcoming as possible with respect to the information that we know when we know it, and when we find it. whether that is going to continue to be enough as there are more and more documents that are uncovered, we do not know. but i do think that that is something that he is going to stand on to try to separate himself and differentiate from the notion of any criminality, of course, in a court of law, but certainly in a court of public opinion to separate himself from donald trump and say i am not doing what donald trump did with mar-a-lago. >> and to your point, incense

was on with my colleague last hour, at least some and then does, and said that there was no warrant that was issued for these. and that is a huge distinction between president -- the case of mar-a-lago president trump's document search and what we are seeing with president biden. >> absolutely. if you think about what it took to actually get to the point where a search warrant was first run up in an executed, this had taken place after months of trying to get donald trump to cooperate with the national archives and the request to return documents. he knew that he should not have had it in his possession. so what they are doing in this case is basically saying look, there is no need for that. you can come in, we will allow that, we are allowing doj to be a part of this process. we are cooperating with doj. so we're not even going to get to the point of having to have a search warrant executed. we are allowing this investigation to take place and we are cooperating as much as we can. >> two questions for you about what lisa was saying. which is intent and concealment. and we will talk more and compare this with the case in

mar-a-lago. the next hour or so, but i do want to get your thoughts on intent here. can you look at these batches that are being discovered and begin to question whether there was intent here on the presidents part or the former senator's part in taking these documents. because it is one thing to say the document were discovered at a warehouse that we're in appropriately packed or perhaps accidentally pact that could certainly be the case, but when you start seeing batches pop up in different locations, three now, can you begin to question the intent? >> is that for me? >> yes. >> oh, i'm sorry, i apologize. >> yes, right, so it is a question on the legal front, a question of intent. but the bigger point here is that this point, which was a strong political point for democrats has been needed. we could say, and rightfully

say that there are massive differences in these two cases. we could go down the list and make our list on how they are different. but you know, politically, in terms of propaganda, it is a blunt force interment. no one is interested, when we live in a confirmation era where everyone is trying to confirm their biases and they will take any small thread to do that, and this is not even a small thread. this is a real question about how documents are handled. whether or not the person has intend to do wrong or they just get mixed up. they still should not be where they are. we now have a case of two, one sitting president, and one former president where the documents have gotten into a place where they shouldn't be. so there is a bigger question about how we secure documents. what is the process, how do we make sure that we do not have to go looking for them 14 years later to find them in someone's garage? that is a bigger question. but i think that on the political point, it has made

this particular slice of the trump attack relatively mute. there are many other reasons that trump should never be president again. i just don't think that democrats will be able to seize on this one as strongly as they thought that they would. >> what do you make of the fact that his lawyers were present, sorry, the president's lawyers were present? it is in stark contrast what we saw with president trump, but the fact that president biden's lawyers were president present in the search. >> a legal front, that is another differentiation. so when you are not trying to block the recovery of these items, you're not trying to block and make sure that the doj does, it or whomever else is trying to get custody doesn't get custody of them, that is one look. and when they have to search using a search warrant and trump property, that is the difference. but the -- the way that that is going to

get flattened out in the political discourse is that both of the men's homes were searched for documents, and documents were found. so you know, on the nuanced point that all of us could agree on, there is a big difference. politically, less of a difference because people want to be confirmed in their biases. >> and we will talk about the differences and the politics, and the law. lisa, you also talked about this, the difference and the presence of the presidents -- in these searches versus what was offered with the former president in mar-a-lago and searching elsewhere. >> right. you know that after the search warrant was executed in august, the department of justice national security division went back to trump's legal team. they said we are still not sure everything has been found. and they had a series of negotiations about how they were going to do for their searches. it was off limits for the trump legal team to let the

department of justice do it itself. so that the trump team asked them, what if we hired investigators to do it and you can watch? the department of justice said no, it does not work that way. but trump team sent in their private investigators and nonetheless they turned up at least two more classified documents in a storage unit in mar-a-lago around thanksgiving of this year. and they are not sure that everything has been found recently, in front of a judge in d.c., they have been fighting about whether or not this private investigator should be questioned. i believe the special counsel's office and the department of justice won that battle and they do have the right to question those folks now. biden's folks surely learn from that. >> what do you think these special counsels are thinking right now in terms of the special counsel who is investigating mar-a-lago, jack smith, and the special counsel that is investigating joe biden. i don't want you to speculate about their thought process but how does this discovery impact the other case. or are they completely independent where the special

councils are not watching or seeing what their counterparts are doing? >> the only place where these two things are completely independent from one another as a fairytale. and i say that in reality because having been a former prosecutor, with a case like this, jack smith is paying a lot of attention to what is going on with respect to how this is unfolding. granted, he is not responsible for doing anything with respect to joe biden in terms of his job, his job description. but with respect to the implications of whatever it is that he decides to do, not only on him, but also on the person who appointed him, merrick garland and the doj, he understands that there are very deep implications that would arise based off of his decision. particularly if you have joe biden who is now facing criticism and being under investigation for essentially the same thing. as we already talked about, yes, we can all agree on the nuances but when it boils down to it,

we are talking about the same thing. there are documents, and places that should not have been. of course, we do not have the same elements of intent and concealment as lisa has already talked about, but when you are talking about as a prosecutor whether to make a decision to go forward and indict, these are very serious considerations because of the political nature of it. if i am jack smith, i'm also doubly upset because mar-a-lago what's the most straightforward and direct line that we had to a clear reason for moving forward with the prosecution of donald trump against donald trump, and now that seems to be in jeopardy. >> all right, your thoughts on that, and give me your thoughts on what you might think merrick garland is thinking tonight. because he probably set out in this process several months ago and the former president announced that he was running again, he appointed jack smith, there was a lot of criticism at the time that it was not warranted, that the department of justice could have, and certainly was doing the investigation at least into the january 6th component of the former presidents actions, that

was adequate. but then he appointed a special prosecutor, a special counsel, when the biden documents emerged. his back was against the wall and he felt like he also needed to appoint a special counsel and now we find ourselves in this, what i would argue a complex situation. we have to special counsel's looking at the behavior of presidents that may be on the surface similar, but are also very different in how these men responded throughout. >> i have not always agreed with merrick garland, and how he has proceeded with things. but on this, he has -- because there is no precedent for what we are seeing. this is both a former president, the most recent former president, and the sitting president both with similar kinds of cases. not the same, similar kinds. and he has a special prosecutor -- to both of these things. so at the same time, the doj is looking at other criminality.

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our continuing coverage of the breaking news that justice department authorities found six more classified documents at president biden's home in wilmington, delaware during a consensual search that took place on friday that lasted nearly 13 hours. my panel, is back with us. this timeline of when, if you will, the main players of this

knew what was going on. so we know that the first batch of documents were discovered in early november. so merrick garland knew that that, this was going to be something. jack smith was appointed in the middle of november. and here we are, middle of january, with a second special counsel. this one investigating what was happening with president biden. and you have got to wonder whether or not jack smith right now is perhaps angry with merrick garland that he did not tell him about this, or put him in this situation. walk us through what we were discussing here in this break. >> charles was saying before the break that he has all of the sympathy in the world for merrick garland. i think that we have a lot of sympathy for jack smith who has a test that is not what he thought he was walking into. on november 2nd, that is one of the first documents were discovered at the biden center. they were handed over to the national archives it has been a couple of days. by november 10th, that is when the president's lawyers got a

call saying the department of justice is going to open a preliminary investigation. and it was eight days later that merrick garland came and announced to the public that he was appointing special counsel jack smith could take over two investigations concerning president trump. one with respect to january 6th and the other being the mar-a-lago records investigation. charles and i were in agreement during the break that jack smith probably had no idea whatsoever about this extent biden problem over here. but now, his mandate looks very different. and it is not just because the politics look different. i think it is important to say that as he thinks through whether he has charges that can be brought successfully about former president trump, you have to think about what the jury pool looks like and how they are going to be considering this. there are going to be people who would come out of any pool against any of these men for their political biases. but there is not going to be a way to find a jury, and any form of this country where people do not know anything about this.

>> just because of how high-profile these two cases have become. >> and the other side that is how do you then make something criminal in one respect in front of a jury, and then not necessarily move forward. >> would it be the obstruction case that is the differentiating point? you brought this up earlier, president biden every step of the way has cooperated, has not obstructed, there is no warrant according to the white house hours of this evening. that is not the case with president trump. there is, if there is going to be a legal case against the former president, it is that he potentially obstructed that investigation. >> that is a point of legality that does matter to a jury that is following the law to the letter. but we are talking about unprecedented and uncharted territory with the prosecution, or potential prosecution of the former united states in the case of mar-a-lago. so i do not necessarily know that you can discount how different a situation this is when you are looking at the principle of this person did it over here versus this person

did it over here. two different juries, likely the same jurisdiction. you are talking about both being in federal court in d.c.. so a similar jury pool in terms of its makeup, i think that this creates a number of different challenges for jack smith, in terms of thinking about as a former prosecutor, i'm like, how do i want to present this case to a jury without having that be a distraction that ultimately sunk the prosecution that i was trying to move forward with? >> charles blow, what questions do you have about the way that this case is currently being handled right now? if you were involved in this case and you are a special counsel, if you will, you would really have our sympathies, but what would you be asking and probing about with the way that these documents are being discovered, and as lisa pointed out, one, or perhaps some dating as far back to the presidents time in the senate? >> i just had to laugh because you said that i was a prosecutor for this case. i can't even imagine.

but i will say this. we will have a conversation around this as of the entire thing is not political. we keep talking about it as if they are actually legal cases that divorced the politics. and the absolute opposite is true. the only reason we have a special prosecutor says because there are political figures who happen to be a sitting president and a former president. this would not be the case with a regular member of congress, it would not be -- maybe it would be the case with a regular member of congress, but definitely not with a staffer who took home any of these documents. it would move forward the prosecution almost immediately. it wouldn't even be a question. the entire thing is weighted with an enormous political implication. and the reason that people are getting secondary thoughts about whether or not to move forward or not, they are all political reasons. they are not necessarily on the legal merit because you can make a case -- you could have made the case

immediately with the trump documents because they were stonewalling. that they were trying to hide the documents and not surrender them. and you could have made that case a while ago. but we have to get more evidence because the political implication of what that prosecution would mean isn't ormas. and everybody understands that it is not just a legal question. >> you are saying it needs to be an airtight case with the mar-a-lago documents and that is perhaps why it took so long to even get a special counsel, is that right, and my understanding that correctly? >> i am saying that the evidence on the face, on its face for a staffer, on capitol hill who was caught with the same documents, or who failed to surrender the same documents would have already proceeded to trial. already. you wouldn't need more evidence. you wouldn't need a prosecutor. that -- just underlies how politically

fraught this entire situation is. and when they are determining whether or not to bring a case in either one of these criminal cases, a big consideration will not be just the legal, the law of it, the big consideration will be what this means for the country. and what does it mean if it succeeds. what doesn't mean if it fails? all of these things have political ramifications that are beyond them, because there is no precedent for what we are even talking about. >> as so many times over the last several years we have been put in this situation where the country is facing unprecedented challenges, i would argue that this is probably one more legal challenge that the department of justice is going to face, in which a lot of people will be watching closely and the consequences could last for generations. really quickly, because charles blow was talking about the politics of this, you mentioned that the former president is probably breathing a sigh of relief this evening.

>> i joked around earlier that he was popping diet coax and doing the ymca at mar-a-lago tonight because the focus is not on him. he had a terrible week last week. he was sanctioned by a judge in florida for $1 million, and in a frivolous suit that he filed on tuesday. he's facing a hearing in fulton county about whether the grand jury report should be made public. he met with the new york dea last week. his legal troubles are just mounting and tonight, he feels some sense of equivalence with a guy who is sitting in the chair he believes should have been his. not equivalence that we would agree is legally equivalent, but there is some score settling that has gone on politically to the former presidents great joy tonight. >> in the court of public opinion. lisa, charles, charles blow, thank you so much, i appreciate you helping us break this down. thank you for your insight and analysis. coming, up we will discuss the continued rise in right-wing political violence with new mexico secretary of state. plus we will continue our coverage of the new classified

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verizon. words have consequences. it is a lesson most of us learned in kindergarten. but it appears that some members of the republican party never did. this week, police in albuquerque, new mexico arrested solomon pena, a former republican candidate for state office in connection with a string of recent shootings. according to police, peña was the mastermind behind a conspiracy in which he enlisted the help of four other men to shoot at the homes of four local democratic officials. it all stems from penny's unsuccessful bid for a state legislator seat back in november, following his loss, the self proclaimed maga king took to social media to insist without evidence that his

election was rigged. i wonder where he got that idea from. but in the weeks that followed, he showed up at houses where he believed democratic officials believed -- but police say that things got much more sinister when he allegedly hired for individuals to carry a drive-by shootings. these shootings are the latest example of a worrying trend on the right. hateful rhetoric fueling real world violence. remember back in 2021 right wing fanatics plotted to kidnap michigan's democratic governor, gretchen whitmer? or last october when an attacker assaulted the husband of than speaker nancy pelosi with a hammer. according to officials, the u.s. capitol police investigated over 7000 threats against members of congress last year. and despite these damning facts, some republicans have dubbed their heels into election denialism and some have actually benefited from that. some of the most election deniers in congress have now landed seats on the oversight

and accountability committee which is the main investigative body in the house of representatives. two of those members, marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar, were removed from committees by democrats in the last congress over internet posts they made advocating for violence against their political enemies. so republicans have continued to condemn the acts of political violence carried out by the fringe of their party, it is clear that they have done nothing to address the underlying cause by promoting dangerous beliefs and the politicians who pushed them. the republican party has effectively normalized this kind of violent rhetoric that can put people in real danger. and this week, a ten year old was almost caught in the crosshairs of the gop's obsession with election conspiracies. here to discuss this is new mexico secretary of state, maggie oliver. thank you so much for joining us this evening. i want you to explain to our viewers if you can whether or not you see a trace, or a line between the rise in violence

based on the political rhetoric, and the political action that we are seeing, and the political rhetoric that we are seeing come out of republicans, like the recent shootings that we saw in your home state. >> thank you for having me tonight. yes, i do. this is exactly the issue that i have been talking about for the last couple of years. the rhetoric that happens in the lead up to the 2020 election. the post-2020 issues that we saw at the january 6th insurrection, and then of course what we are seeing today in the form of this individual who decided to take up arms, and actually commit acts of violence, not just acts of political rhetoric against people that he disagrees with. >> you have been an election official for about 15 years or so. talk to us about how that has evolved. i think a lot of us in this

country would have not necessarily known the name, or the faces of our election officials. but as we have seen everything from secretary of state's to governors, the even poll workers, poll watchers, they have now faced serious, real world dangers. >> that is exactly right. you know, the biggest challenge i think that we have when i started running elections at the county level here in new mexico, well over a decade ago was that folks would, you know, yet there -- you know, get cranky because process takes too long or something like that. now we are seeing, you know, every day, myself, my colleagues, and of course this is the most hideous example of political violence that we have seen. a threat, accusations, character assassination, and it all comes directly from the big lie. it all comes from that rhetoric of 2020 that the election was rigged. because one person could not

understand that he had lost an election. so this is the reality of that rhetoric. this is how it continues to transpire through actions as opposed to just words. >> let's talk about safety. peña was able to, as i understand it, was able to locate these democratic officials relatively easily. we live in a world where people's information is posted online. accessible to really anyone with a search engine. he was able to find her home addresses, perhaps more specific details. is there anything that should be taken, is there any action that your office can take to shield this kind of private information about elected officials from being public? we live in a transparent society where we want to know who our elected officials are. we want to know as much about them as possible for the sake of transparency. but is not also a risk now? >> it is a risk. we are taking a look at that.

we have to balance the fact that even i -- the voters of the state deserve to know that i am a resident of the state. generally, where i live. but as you, know i have been a victim of doxxing. so with the dedicated effort to pointing folks toward my home, where i live with my family, and encouraging them to do political violence, we are looking at actions that we can take at the state level to make it a little less accessible and a little more challenging, or should i say that you have to give a little more information about yourself if you want an elected official's home address. we are looking on all of those kinds of things. >> there are federal proposals that would significantly boost security funding for election officials and heightened penalties for those who threaten their staff. unfortunately it failed to advance in the last congress. again, with the house under republican control, do you have any hope that legislation aimed at protecting officials,

election officials could pass? could the party that is involved in promoting denialism and stolen elections, and elections being rigged care about, or go and passed legislation to protect election officials that the accused of stealing elections? >> i certainly hope so. i think two things, i think first of all it is very important to note that public officials who have been the victims of threats and now this actual real violence, they are not just democrats. many of my really wonderful colleagues from the other side of the aisle have also been victims of very serious threats of violence, intimidation, and harassment. secondly, what i'd choose to believe, and i think that it is true, that what we are talking about is a very vocal but a very vocal minority on the republican side. i hope that we can continue to make the case to every member of congress to bring over

enough support from republicans on the house side, those reasonable republicans who understand that this is not a partisan issue. this is an american issue. we have to protect those who ensure that our democracy continues to thrive. so i will continue to remain hopeful and optimistic and continue to make that case to anybody who will listen. >> we certainly hope that people do listen. new mexico secretary of state, maggie oliver, thank you for your time. i really appreciated. >> thank you for having me. >> after the break, we return to our other top story tonight, more classified documents found at president biden's wilmington home. stay with us. stay with us powerful relief so you can restore and recover. theraflu hot beats cold.

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this developing story, what are we learning? >> so the latest development that we are learning comes from just a few minutes ago. sources are telling us that the fbi conducted this search at the request of the white house. that this was done in cooperation with the bidens, that this didn't require a warrant to be able to enter their wilmington home. as you mentioned, their home with search for more than 12 hours yesterday. out of that search, there came six more classified documents. some of the stemming from all the way back when president biden was at the senate. these are new details that we are learning that come in week to the day from last week when we got those two statements from the white house saying that additional classified materials have been found at biden's wilmington home, and a room adjacent to the garage where another trench of classified documents have been

found just a few weeks ago. remember, white house counsel saying that he was called in the handle those documents after president biden's personal attorneys found that classified material, knowing they did not have the security clearance to be able to handle it, they went ahead and called the national archives, the justice department, as well as the white house counsel to them facilitate the transferring of these materials to the justice department. all of this really coming and adding layers of more questions to this length less that we have at this white house. at this, point there are two trajectory's of transparency that the white house is aiming for. you have them saying that they are trying to be transparent and cooperate with the justice department, and then there is this other platform of transparency with the american people and the media. and their reaction acknowledgment to these discoveries of classified documents, at this point, has been minimal at best. however, we saw president biden finally addressed those

classified documents on thursday, but still so many unanswered questions from the biden white house. especially with these new documents were discovered yesterday. >> all right, nbc news white house correspondent, allie raffa without. thank you so, much we really appreciate it. we will continue our coverage of the biden classified documents later. up next though, we will pivot very quickly, michigan democrats have total control of state government for the first time in four years. we will talk about what that means with two important figures. figures. el seen. hey mom. look! mom! oh my god mom. you gotta look at this. nope. keeping my eyes on the road is paying off with drivewise. post about that. bo-ring. oh! say cheese! no, thank you. unblock me! stop! [screech] that was awesome! hey what's your @? i'll tag you. get drivewise from allstate and save 40% for avoiding mayhem like me. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain,

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years, michigan democrats pulled off a trifecta in the midterms. majority in the states house, senate, the governor's office. their goals? to undo the damage done from republicans over the years. and to pass liberal policies to better the state just hours after being sworn in, state democrats codified lgbtq rights. repeal states brought abortion ban, expand anti discrimination laws, and a lot more. much, much more, in fact. democrats have also made repealing states right to work one other top priorities. controversial laws for labor contracts from buying workers to become union members. or to pay the union be as a condition of their employment. it was considered a crowning achievement for that republican governor, rick snider, back in 2013. but it is just one of the many snyder air laws that democrats are looking to reverse.

they've also propose that expansion of the states earn income tax credit, a passion project of democratic governor gretchen whitmer, that could save michigan as hundreds of dollars each year. last but not least, democratic leaders are also claiming to pass a trio of gun laws, universal background checks, guns george requirements, so-called red flag laws. michigan is one of 17 states with drama credit trifectas that is up from just six back in 2017. one of four states that gained this new power after this year's midterms. the others, massachusetts, minnesota, and maryland. we're just at the very beginning of michigan story. there are so many reasons to be hopeful. the state concert as a beacon of democracy where lawmakers act as stewards of basic governance and contrast to the chaos that we are seeing among republicans in washington and states elsewhere. joining me now are michigan senate majority leader, brinks, house speaker joe tate.

it's good to have both of you with us. state senator brace, i want to start with you. what are your priorities for these next two years but democrats in control this trifecta, so to speak? >> we really intend to be a majority for the people. it's been a long time since democrats have been in charge. with a pent-up policy agenda that puts people first. that's everyone from working families to seniors, to making sure that we are status tense for equality, welcomes the lgbtq community and restores reap productive rights. we're very busy already. her excited to have the opportunity to lead. >> house speaker tate, you guys hit the ground running. wow, was it important to codify lgbtq rights and ad protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity to the states antidiscrimination law? >> well, [inaudible] exercise their power last year. we want to ensure that we are

putting -- supporting families and workers. ensuring that everyone is treated equally before the eyes of government. [inaudible] secrets and surprises in terms of what michigan democrats want. they put us in this position to actually get those things done. >> majority leader brinks, earlier last year, there was a lot of controversy around michigan. i think what the country learned about its 1931 abortion ban, or peeling that abortion ban was such a important party for democrats, especially when the laws are unenforceable with the passage of reproductive freedom for all out initiative that passed in november? >> you know, this law has been on the books for 100 years. there is a period of time during which it is possible for this to go back into effect. so, it is incredibly important for us to get that off the books. it's an obsolete and antiquated law. it should have been there for the past 50 years. it needs to go.

we are here for reproductive rights of every citizen and michigan. that is our first step. >> speaker tate, i need to ask you about your colleagues across the aisle, democrats in michigan, you have a narrow margin of control. you have control, but it is a narrow margin. how do you plan on working with republicans? we've talked about so much about the republican party. i think going off the rails and a lot of states, i would argue, michigan some of the candidates they feel that some of these key races -- election deniers -- i would argue, after democratic election deniers -- how do you plan on working with republicans, if some of them do not believe in the integrity of our elections and our democracy? >> they're certainly going to be a priority for me to ensure that we are working across the aisle. we feel that this is important. this is a consensus ability [inaudible] what is paramount, at the end of the day, is, are we putting people first, as majority leader brinks had

mentioned. we want to ensure that we have a tight majority. we want to ensure that we are getting work done for the people at the end of the day. i'm encouraged by some of the policies that have seen the republicans have talked about. her first bills include tax relief, putting money back in the pockets of workers and families. they had something similar. so, we can buy those common issues that the and to the day. we want to ensure that we are working for the people in putting people first. that's going to be paramount priority. >> majority leader brinks, republicans, you know, they've use their state governments trifectas in the past to be aggressive. they've used those positions to protest policies. you know, from a state level, to, perhaps, a federal level. it's not something you and your fellow michigan does democrats can do, plan to do?

how you push it aggressively for your policy that for michigan to be a mouth for other states in the country? >> yeah, and it because that you're seeing in the republican party, not just in congress are now, but what we've seen here in michigan over the past few years is a testament to how important it is to have folks who are really focused on the fundamentals of government. we have a fantastic governor and governor whitmer to work with. to get back to basics. to start solving real problems for real people with real solutions. right here. instead of having the republicans focused on issues that are not issues, right? make up things that would be very politically divisive. so, we intend to get right to work and make sure that we are focused on the things that matter most to the people of michigan. we've hit the ground running. we're very excited about our bills. we have an aggressive and intentional claim to focus on

those democratic policies and values. we hope to be a model for the rest of the nation about what can happen there really puts people first, if you have a democratic trifecta. >> it's safe to say that the resignation will be watching very closely what michigan does. michigan speaker of the house, as well as majority leader in the senate, thank you so much. i greatly appreciate your time this evening. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. we're going to be back to breaking news on the biden classified documents case right after this break. reak sea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪ ♪ upset stomach, diarrhea. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief... when you need it most. my most important kitchen tool? my brain.

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