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that lasted more than 12 hours on friday. has found six more documents marked classified. this is according to a new statement from the presidents personal lawyer. some of the classified documents and surrounding materials dated from biden's tenure in the senate where he represented delaware from 1973 to 2009, this according to his lawyer bob bauer. some of the documents where from his tenure as vice president in the obama administration. they took notes that biden had personally written as vice president. this again according to his lawyer. neither the president nor the first lady were present during the search. the documents are part of a group of other classified government records, previously discovered in biden's private -- washington d.c. think tank

after ending his tenure as vice president. the documents discovered before friday surge, by the doj, we are all found by biden's lawyers according to the white house. we have a lot to break down. we're gonna break down our panel that's what makes sense of this. these are ribbon, legal analyst for the rachel maddow show. charles blow, msnbc political analyst. lisa, i will start with you. you've been following the in and out of this case pretty closely as we have learned. there are a lot of questions i think that a lot of us have. let's start with what we've learned as of this evening with the statement that came out from the presidents special counsel, if you are. >> sure, the development of six new documents with classified markings some of which, date back to biden's time in the senate, others which date back to his time as vice president is certainly the biggest headline tonight. the other thing that i noticed, and i'm sure you did too is those aren't the only documents

that the doj took this evening. they did the dimension, the total number of documents that they took. they just said the documents that they took relevant to the investigation included six documents with classification markings. certainly the age of any of the documents from his time in the senate is at least 14 years old, potentially longer. given president biden's 30-year tenure in this summit. that is certainly of concern. the length of time the doj is at the biden's residence is also somewhat of a head-scratcher. the residence is certainly beautiful but it's not mar-a-lago and its size or scope. and the fact that they were there for over 12 hours is also something that made an impression on me tonight. >> let me ask you that but the senate tonight. why do you think that's of particular interest? why did that jump out to you as someone who's been following this particularly closely? >> from a legal perspective, that jumps out. here's. why there are two things that the law sees as pertinent to whether or not there's a criminal violation.

one is intent and the other is a question of concealment or obstruction of an investigation that's ongoing. obviously, there was no ongoing investigation prior to early november here as there was in president trump's case. but the age of the documents is something that bears on intent. in other words, why did biden have documents that dated back to his time in the senate, and what has happened to those doctors that had access them? where have they been for the 14 years since president biden last was a member of the senate? >> charles, let me start with you in terms of law the fallout of the president. this is not something that president biden wants to be dealing with. >> sure. >> it's a story i think really begins back in november when the first batch of documents were discovered even though we learned about the much later. and there's been some criticism that perhaps the administration

hasn't been as forthcoming as they could've been for the process that has unfolded since november. and the revelation we learn today that there were more documents is not gonna bode well for the president. at least optically. >> i think you're talking about two distinct conversations. on one hand there's the quarter public opinion, and on the other hand as we've already talked about there's a court of law. with respect to the court of public opinion, the one thing i can say that joe biden has done well is that he's been smart enough to not make the same mistakes that his predecessors made. he's been from that in terms of being able to be in front of the narrative and take control of it. he can unequivocally say that his predecessor cannot that he will continue to stand on as is evidence by the statements from his attorney's, hey, be cooperated. we continue to cooperate. we will continue to be as forthcoming as possible but the information we know, when we find it. whether that's gonna continue to be enough as there are more documents that are uncovered,

we do not know. but i do think that that is something that is going to stand on to try to separate himself and differentiate from the notion of any criminality of course in the court of law, but certainly in the court of public opinion to basically separate himself from 40 -- present 45 trump and saying we are not doing what donald trump did with mar-a-lago. >> to your point, ian sam's was on with my colleagues in the last hour, this imminent is, and he said there was no warrant for this -- there was a huge distinction between the mar-a-lago president trump search and what we're seeing with president biden. >> absolutely. if you look at what it actually took for the search warrant that was drawn up and executed, this was taking place after months after getting donald trump to cooperate with the national archives. that he knew he should not have had in his possession. so what they are doing in this case is basically saying, look, there's no need for that, you can come in, you were allowing

doj to be a part of this process, we are cooperating with doj. so we're not even getting to the point of having to have a search warrant executed. we're a allowing this investigation to take place in rico operating as much as we can. >> charles coleman, too much is free about what lisa was saying which is intent and concealment. and we'll talk more and compare this with the case of mar-a-lago throughout the next hour or so but. i want to get your thoughts on intent here. can you look at these batches that are being discovered and begin to question whether there was intent here on the presidents partner the former senator's part in taking these documents? because it's one thing to say documents were discovered in the warehouse or in the think tank that we're in in a properly packed or perhaps accidentally pack that could certainly be the case. but if you see batches pop-up in different locations, three now, can you begin to question the intent. >> is that for me? >> charles coleman, go ahead, sir. > charles's law, i apologize.

i apologize. >> yes, right, it is a question on the legal front -- it's a question of intent. but the bigger point here is this has been -- this point that was a strong political point for democrats has been needed. we can say, and rightfully say, there's massive differences in these two cases. and we can go down the list and make a list of why they're different. but politically, in terms of propaganda, it's a blunt force instrument. no one's interested -- when we live in a confirmation era where everyone is trying to confirm their biases and they will take any small threat to do that. this is not even a small thread. this is a real question about how documents are handled. whether or not the person has intend to do wrong, or they just get mixed up in this shovel, they should not be where they are. we now have the case of two for

one sitting president and one for former president where documents are in a place where they should be. there's the biggest question, how we secure documents, how we make sure that we don't have to look for them 14 years later, and found them in someone's garage or in their homes. that's a bigger question. but i think on the political point, it has made this particular slice of the trump attack relatively mute. there's many of the reasons that trump should never be president again. is just that i don't think the democrats will be able to seize on this one as strongly as they thought they could. >> what do you think of the fact that his lawyers were present? it the president's lawyers were present. of course, it's an in stark contrast as we saw playing out with president trump. but the fact that president biden's lawyers were present in the search. >> listen, on the legal front, that's another differentiation.

you're not trying to block the recovery of these items. not trying to block, make sure the doj does it or whoever is trying to get custody and does not get custody of it. that's one look and when they have to search using a search warrant in trump property. that's the difference when someone's cooperating when they're not. but how that's gonna get flattened out in the political discourse is that both men's homes were searched for documents and documents were found. so on the nuanced point that all of us can agree on, big difference. politically, let's have a difference because people want to be confirmed in their biases. >> we will talk about the differences in the politics in the law. and you've also talked about this, the difference of the presidents counsel in these searches, versus what was offered with the former president in mar-a-lago and

searching bedminster and elsewhere. >> we know that after the search warrant was executed in august, the department of justice and the national security division went back to trump's legal team. they said, we are still not sure everything has been found. and they had a series of negotiations about how they were going to do for their searches. it was off limits to the trump's legal team to let the department of justice to themselves. then the trump team asked them, what if we hire investigators to do it and you can watch and the department justice, said no, it doesn't work that way. but trump teams sent in private investigators, and they've -- to classified documents in the stretch unit in mar-a-lago of thanksgiving this year. and there are still not sure everything has been found. new recently in d.c., they've been fighting about whether or not those private investigators should be a question and i believe the special counsel's office and the department justice won that battle and they do have the right to question the source now.

biden's folks surely learn from that. now >> how do you think this special counsel's are thinking right now in terms of who's investigating mar-a-lago, jack smith, and the special counsel who is investigating joe biden? i do want you to speculate about the thought process. but how does this discovery impact the other case, or are they completely independent where the special councils are not watching or see what their candidates are doing? >> the only place where those two things are completely independent from one another is a fairytale. and i say that in reality because having been a former prosecutor, in a case like this, jack smith is paying a lot of attention to what is going on with respect to how this is unfolding. and granted, now he's not doing anything in respect to joe biden. his job description. but with respect to the implications of what it is he decides to do, not only on him but also on the person who appointed him, merrick garland

in the doj, he understands that they are deep implications that polarized based off of his decision, particularly if you have joe biden who is now facing criticism and being under investigation for essentially the same thing as charles blow already talked about. yes, we can all agree on the nuances but when you boil it down to it, we're talking about the same things. there were things, documents that were in places they should not have been. of course they don't have the same legal elements of concealment, as these is already talked about, but when we're talking about as a prosecutor whether to make a decision to go forward and indict, these are very serious concerns because of the political nature of it, and if i'm jack smith, i'm also deeply upset because mar-a-lago, as compared to january six, was the most straightforward and direct lying that we had to to clear reason from moving ford with the prosecution of donald trump against donald trump. and that seems to be in jeopardy. >> charles, blow your thoughts on that and give me your

thoughts on whether what you think merrick garland is thinking tonight. because he said in this process several months ago when the former president enough that he was running again, he appointed jack smith, there was a lot of criticism at the time that he was not warranted, that the department of justice could happen was doing the investigation at least into the january 6th component in the former presidents actions. that was adequate. but then he appointed a special counsel when the biden documents emerged, his back was against the wall and felt like he also needed to appoint a special counsel. and that we find ourselves in this -- what i would argue a complex situation. we have to special counsel's looking at the behavior of presidents that may be on the surface similar, but also very different in how these men responded throughout. >> i haven't always agreed with merrick garland and how he's proceeded with things, but on the cs my sympathies. because there is no precedent for what we are seeing. this is both a former president,

the most foreign president and sitting president, both with similar kinds -- not the same, but similar pieces, and a special prosecutor's. to do both of these things. at the same time, the doj is looking at other criminality. it is an incredible, incredible moment in the country's history and merrick garland is gonna have to make some very tough calls very soon, actually. >> i want to ask everyone to stay in place, we have got a lot more to discuss, we're gonna squeeze in a brick quick break, we will continue our breaking coverage of these new documents right after this short break. short break. to get prebiotic, plant-based fiber. with the same amount of fiber as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies the easy way to get your daily fiber.

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home internet shouldn't be a luxury. everyone should have it and now a lot more people can. so let's go. we're back with our continuing the digital age is waiting. coverage of the breaking news. the justice department authorities found six weren't classified documents at president biden's home in wellington, delaware during a consensual search that took place on friday that lasted nearly 13 hours. my panel, these are ribbon, charles blow, charles coleman are back with. us lisa, i want to talk about something that you brought up in this commercial break which i think is fascinating, this timeline of when, if you will, the main players in this new about what was going on. we know that the -- i let you lay it out for us. but we know the first batch of documents were discovered early

november. so merrick garland knew that this was going to be something. jack smith was appointed in the middle of november, and here we are in the middle of january with the second special counsel. this one investigating what happened with president biden, and you have to wonder if jack smith right now is perhaps angry with merrick garland that he didn't tell about this or put him in the situation. let's -- what we were discussing in this break. >> charles blow was saying that he has -- charles collbran and i have a lot of sympathy for jack smith. we he has a test now that he -- that's when the first batch of documents were discovered at the penn biden center, they were handed over to the national archives in a couple of days. by november 10th, that's when the president's lawyers told the department of justice gonna opened a preliminary investigation. and it was eight days later that merrick garland came and announced to the public he was

appointed special counsel jack smith taking two investigations in respect to trump. the first was january 6th, the second the mar-a-lago investigation. charles run i were in agreement doing the break that jack smith probably had no idea whatsoever about this extent biden problem over here. but now, his mandate looks very different and it's not just because the politics look different. i think it's important to say that as he thinks through, whether he has charges that can be brought successfully against former president trump, you have to think about what that jury pulled looks like and how they will be considering this, they're gonna be some people who come off of any triple against any of these men for their political bases, but there's not gonna be a way to find a jury in any form -- for no one knows anything about this. >> just because of how profile these cases have become. >> the other side of that is how do you lead something criminal would respect and in front of a jury, and not

necessarily -- >> could be the obstruction case, could it be the difference trading point? you brought this up earlier which is president biden every step of the way has cooperated, has not obstructed, there is no warrant according to the white house as of this evening. that is not the case with president trump. there is, if there is going to be a legal case against the former president, it is that you potentially in obstructed that investigation. >> that's the point of legality that matters to a jury that is following the law to the letter. but we're talking about unprecedented and uncharted territory with the prosecution or potential prosecution of a former president of the united states in the case of mar-a-lago. so i don't necessarily know that you can discount how different a situation like this is when you're looking at the principal, of this person did it over here, or this person did it over here. two different juries likely the same jurisdiction, actually. you're talking about both being in federal court in d.c.. and a similar jury pole in

terms of its, makeup i think it creates a number of different challenges projects myth, we're talking about like a former prosecutor -- who do i want to present this case to a jury without having that be a distraction that ultimately sunk the prosecution that i was trying to move forward. >> charles blow, what questions do you have in regards to how this case is currently being handled right now? if you were involved in this case and if you are involved in a special counsel, if you will, you suddenly have our sympathies, but what would you be asking and probing about but the way these doctors are being discovered and as lisa pointed, out one or perhaps some dating as far back to the presidents time in the senate? >> i just had to laugh because you said i was the prosecutor for this case, i can't even imagine what that would look like. but i will say this. we can have conversations around this as if the entire thing is not political.

we keep talking about as if there are actually legal cases divorced of politics. the absolute opposite is true. the only reason why we have special prosecutors is because they are political figures who happen to be for a sitting president and former president. this would not be the case with regular law mira member of congress. maybe with kinzinger, but definitely not with a staffer who took any of their documents. the case would move forward in prosecution almost immediately. it wouldn't be a question. the entire thing is weighted with political tradition. and the reason why they -- all political reasons, they are not necessarily on the legal merit because you can make a case -- you can make the case immediately what the trump documents because they were stonewalling. they were trying to hide the documents and not surrender them. and you can make the case

there. but we have to get more evidence because the political implication of what that prosecution would mean is enormous. and everybody understands it's not a legal question. >> and now using its an airtight case because of the mar-a-lago documents, and maybe that's why it took so long to get a special counsel. on my understanding that right? >> i think the evidence on the face -- [inaudible] evidence on its face for a staffer on capitol hill who was caught with the same documents, who failed to surrender the same documents, would've already proceeded to trial. already. you wouldn't need more evidence. you wouldn't need a such prosecutor. that just underlines how politically fraught this entire situation is. and, when they are determining whether or not they bring the case in either one of these criminal cases, either one of

these cases, a big consideration will not be just the legal -- the law of it. the big consideration will be what this means for the country. and what does it mean if it succeeds, what if's it mean if it fails? all of these things have political ramifications that are beyond us because there is no precedent for what we are even talking about. >> as many times over the last several, years we have been put in the situation where countries are facing unprecedented challenges. i would argue this is probably one more legal challenge that the department of justice is going to face and a lot of people will be watching closely in the consequences could last for generations. and quickly, lisa, because charles louis was talking about the politics of this, you mentioned that the former president is probably breathing a sigh of relief this evening. >> i joked around that he was maybe popping coax and doing the ymca tonight.

he had a terrible week, he was sanctioned by a judge in florida for millions of legal fields -- on tuesday he's facing a hearing in fulton county whether the grand jury report should be made public. michael called, and his former lawyer -- his legal troubles are mounting. and tonight, he feels probably some sense of equivalence with a guy who is sitting in the chair he believes should have been his. not evidence that we believe legally equivalent, but there is some score setting going on politically to the former presidents graduate tonight. >> lisa, charles, charles blow, thank you so much. i really appreciate you helping us break this down. thank you for your insights and allana sis. coming, up we will discuss the continued rise in right-wing political violence with new mexico secretary of state, plus we will continue our coverage of the new classified documents found in president biden's home friday. hom friday let the scent set the mood.

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words have consequences. it is a lesson most of us learned in kindergarten, but it appears that some members of the republican party never did. this week, police in albuquerque new mexico arrested salman peña, a former republican candidate for state office in connection with the string of recent shootings. according to police, peña was the mastermind behind a conspiracy in which he enlisted the help of four other men to shoot at the homes of four local democratic officials. it all stems from penny's unsuccessful bid for a state legislator seat back in november, following his loss, the self proclaimed maga king took to social media to insist without evidence that his election was rigged. i wonder where he got that idea from. but in the weeks that followed, he showed up at houses where he believed democratic officials believed -- but police say that

things got much more sinister when he allegedly hired for individuals to carry a drive-by shootings. these shootings are the latest example of a worrying trend on the right. hateful rhetoric fueling real world violence. remember back in 2021 right wing fanatics plotted to kidnap michigan's democratic governor, gretchen whitmer? or last october when an attacker assaulted the husband of than speaker nancy pelosi with a hammer. according to officials, the u. s. capitol police investigated over 7000 threats against members of congress last year. and despite these damning facts, some republicans have dubbed their heels into election denialism and some have actually benefited from that. some of the most election deniers in congress have now landed seats

on the oversight and accountability committee which is the main investigative body in the house of representatives. two of those members, marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar, were removed from committees by democrats in the last congress over internet posts they made advocating for violence against their political enemies. so republicans have continued to condemn the acts of political violence carried out by the fringe of their party, it is clear that they have done nothing to address the underlying cause by promoting dangerous beliefs and the politicians who pushed them. the republican party has effectively normalized this kind of violent rhetoric that can put people in real danger. and this week, a ten year old was almost caught in the crosshairs of the gop's obsession with election conspiracies. here to discuss this is new mexico secretary of state, maggie oliver. thank you so much for joining us this evening. i want you to explain to our viewers if you can whether or not you see a trace, or a line between the rise in violence based on the political rhetoric, and the political action that we are seeing, and the political rhetoric that we are seeing come out of republicans, like the recent shootings that we saw in your home state.

>> thank you for having me tonight. yes, i do. this is exactly the issue that i have been talking about for the last couple of years. the rhetoric that happens in the lead up to the 2020 election. the post-2020 issues that we saw at the january 6th insurrection, and then of course what we are seeing today in the form of this individual who decided to take up arms, and actually commit acts of violence, not just acts of political rhetoric against people that he disagrees with. >> you have been an election official for about 15 years or so. talk to us about how that has evolved. i think a lot of us in this country would have not necessarily known the name, or the faces of our election officials. but as we have seen everything from secretary of state's to governors, the even poll workers, poll watchers, they have now faced serious,

real world dangers. >> that is exactly right. you know, the biggest challenge i think that we have when i started running elections at the county level here in new mexico, well over a decade ago was that folks would, you know, yet there -- you know, get cranky because process takes too long or something like that. now we are seeing, you know, every day, myself, my colleagues, and of course this is the most hideous example of political violence that we have seen. a threat, accusations, character assassination, and it all comes directly from the big lie. it all comes from that rhetoric of 2020 that the election was rigged. because one person could not understand that he had lost an election. so this is the reality of that rhetoric. this is how it continues to transpire through actions as opposed to just words.

>> let's talk about safety. peña was able to, as i understand it, was able to locate these democratic officials relatively easily. we live in a world where people's information is posted online. accessible to really anyone with a search engine. he was able to find her home addresses, perhaps more specific details. is there anything that should be taken, is there any action that your office can take to shield this kind of private information about elected officials from being public? we live in a transparent society where we want to know who our elected officials are. we want to know as much about them as possible for the sake of transparency. but is not also a risk now?

>> it is a risk. we are taking a look at that. we have to balance the fact that even i -- the voters of the state deserve to know that i am a resident of the state. generally, where i live. but as you, know i have been a victim of doxxing. so with the dedicated effort to pointing folks toward my home, where i live with my family, and encouraging them to do political violence, we are looking at actions that we can take at the state level to make it a little less accessible and a little more challenging, or should i say that you have to give a little more information about yourself if you want an elected official's home address. we are looking on all of those kinds of things. >> there are federal proposals that would significantly boost security funding for election officials and heightened penalties for those who threaten their staff. unfortunately it failed to advance in the last congress. again, with the house under republican control, do you have any hope that legislation aimed at protecting officials,

election officials could pass? could the party that is involved in promoting denialism and stolen elections, and elections being rigged care about, or go and passed legislation to protect election officials that the accused of stealing elections? >> i certainly hope so. i think two things, i think first of all it is very important to note that public officials who have been the victims of threats and now this actual real violence, they are not just democrats. many of my really wonderful colleagues from the other side of the aisle have also been victims of very serious threats of violence, intimidation, and harassment. secondly, what i'd choose to believe, and i think that it is true, that what we are talking about is a very vocal but a very vocal minority on the republican side. i hope that we can continue to make the case to every member of congress to bring over enough support from republicans on the house side, those reasonable republicans who understand that this is not a partisan issue. this is an american issue. we

have to protect those who ensure that our democracy continues to thrive. so i will continue to remain hopeful and optimistic and continue to make that case to anybody who will listen. >> we certainly hope that people do listen. new mexico secretary of state, maggie oliver, thank you for your time. i really appreciated. >> thank you for having me. >> after the break, we return to our other top story tonight, more classified documents found at president biden's wilmington home. stay with us. powerful relief so you can restore and recover. theraflu hot beats cold.

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years, michigan democrats pulled off a trifecta in the midterms. majority in the states house, senate, the governor's office. their goals? to undo the damage done from republicans over the years. and to pass liberal policies to better the state just hours after being sworn in, state democrats codified lgbtq rights. repeal states brought abortion ban, expand anti discrimination laws, and a lot more. much, much more, in fact. democrats have also made repealing states right to work one other top priorities. controversial laws for labor contracts from buying workers to become union members. or to pay the union be as a condition of their employment. it was considered a crowning achievement for that republican governor, rick snider, back in 2013. but it is just one of the

many snyder air laws that democrats are looking to reverse. they've also propose that expansion of the states earn income tax credit, a passion project of democratic governor gretchen whitmer, that could save michigan as hundreds of dollars each year. last but not least, democratic leaders are also claiming to pass a trio of gun laws, universal background checks, guns george requirements, so-called red flag laws. michigan is one of 17 states with drama credit trifectas that is up from just six back in 2017. one of four states that gained this new power after this year's midterms. the others, massachusetts, minnesota, and maryland. we're just at the very beginning of michigan story. there are so many reasons to be hopeful. the

state concert as a beacon of democracy where lawmakers act as stewards of basic governance and contrast to the chaos that we are seeing among republicans in washington and states elsewhere. joining me now are michigan senate majority leader, brinks, house speaker joe tate. it's good to have both of you with us. state senator brace, i want to start with you. what are your priorities for these next two years but democrats in control this trifecta, so to speak? >> we really intend to be a majority for the people. it's been a long time since democrats have been in charge. with a pent-up policy agenda that puts people first. that's everyone from working families to seniors, to making sure that we are status tense for equality, welcomes the lgbtq community and restores reap productive rights. we're very busy already. her excited to have the opportunity to lead. >> house speaker tate, you guys hit the ground running. wow, was it important to codify lgbtq rights and ad protections

based on sexual orientation and gender identity to the states antidiscrimination law? >> well, [inaudible] exercise their power last year. we want to ensure that we are putting -- supporting families and workers. ensuring that everyone is treated equally before the eyes of government. [inaudible] secrets and surprises in terms of what michigan democrats want. they put us in this position to actually get those things done. >> majority leader brinks, earlier last year, there was a lot of controversy around michigan. i think what the country learned about its 1931 abortion ban, or peeling that abortion ban was such a important party for democrats, especially when the laws are unenforceable with the passage of reproductive freedom for all out initiative that passed in november? >> you know, this law has been on the books for 100 years. there is a period of time during which it is possible for this to go back into effect. so, it is incredibly important for us to get that off the books. it's an obsolete and antiquated law. it

should have been there for the past 50 years. it needs to go. we are here for reproductive rights of every citizen and michigan. that is our first step. >> speaker tate, i need to ask you about your colleagues across the aisle, democrats in michigan, you have a narrow margin of control. you have control, but it is a narrow margin. how do you plan on working with republicans? we've talked about so much about the republican party. i think going off the rails and a lot of states, i would argue, michigan some of the candidates they feel that some of these key races -- election deniers -- i would argue, after democratic election deniers -- how do you plan on working with republicans, if some of them do not believe in the integrity of our elections and our democracy? >> they're certainly going to be a priority for me to ensure that we are working across the aisle. we feel that this is important. this is a consensus ability [inaudible] what is paramount, at the end of the day, is, are we putting people first, as majority leader brinks had mentioned. we want to ensure that we have a tight majority. we want to ensure that we are getting work done for the people at the end of the day. i'm encouraged by some

of the policies that have seen the republicans have talked about. her first bills include tax relief, putting money back in the pockets of workers and families. they had something similar. so, we can buy those common issues that the and to the day. we want to ensure that we are working for the people in putting people first. that's going to be paramount priority. >> majority leader brinks, republicans, you know, they've use their state governments trifectas in the past to be aggressive. they've used those positions to protest policies. you know, from a state level, to, perhaps, a federal level. it's not something you and your fellow michigan does democrats can do, plan to do? how you push it aggressively for your policy that for michigan to be a mouth for other states in the country? >> yeah, and it because that you're seeing in the republican party, not just

in congress are now, but what we've seen here in michigan over the past few years is a testament to how important it is to have folks who are really focused on the fundamentals of government. we have a fantastic governor and governor whitmer to work with. to get back to basics. to start solving real problems for real people with real solutions. right here. instead of having the republicans focused on issues that are not issues, right? make up things that would be very politically divisive. so, we intend to get right to work and make sure that we are focused on the things that matter most to the people of michigan. we've hit the ground running. we're very excited about our bills. we have an aggressive and intentional claim to focus on those democratic policies and values. we hope to be a model for the rest of the nation about what can happen there really puts

people first, if you have a democratic trifecta. >> it's safe to say that the resignation will be watching very closely what michigan does. michigan speaker of the house, as well as majority leader in the senate, thank you so much. i greatly appreciate your time this evening. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. we're going to be back to breaking news on the biden classified documents case right after this break. ase righ after this break after this break in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. (vo) when it comes to safety, who has more iihs top safety pick plus awards, the highest level of safety you can earn? subaru. when it comes to longevity, who has the highest percentage of its vehicles still on the road after ten years?

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