want to see for the white house? >> listen, i want them to continue on down this path. i obviously, this is definitely difficult for us to watch in general. i absolutely believe that it is important, just like in this hundred and 18 session, and it's going to be important that we continue to highlight the differences between when the democrats are good, toronto and the republicans are in control. i can say for sure this would not have gone this way i had trump been in the white house, laguardia they're back a republican was in the white house. a do applaud the president for how he is handling this difficult situation right now. >> representative, jasmine -- we have to have the conversation about voting rights that you and i were slated to have. that's all the time i have for today. i will see you tomorrow, 6 pm, eastern. for more american voices. >> and a good morning to you. this is the katie phang show. we have breaking news overnight

on the west coast. law enforcement confirming that at least ten people have been killed in a mass shooting lead and at least ten others are injured. in monterey park all of fournié, this is taking place in los angeles county. the incident happened just after champ pm local time, out of business. nbc news correspondent is there with the latest. >> yeah, good morning from monterrey park. the seat of this mashudu. this mass casualty events. police have just given us an update. we now know that seven people have been killed in the shooting, with an additional -- they have been wounded, taken to local hospitals, and trauma centers, all in various states. ranging from stable to critical conditions at this time. again, ten killed, ten injured. police investigating, police telling us that they believe the suspect is still a large. the suspect, a male suspect, a male shooter, has fled the scene after the shooting. the shooting taking place a

little bit after 10:00. 10:22 pm this evening. more than a few hours after one of the largest new year celebrations it all of southern california, if not the entire country. tens of thousands of people flooding the streets. we don't know if that was in relation to the shooting, in fact, we don't know what the motive was for the shooting. we don't know if this is indiscriminate or targeted. police, not sure that information and at this point. again, they do know ten people shot, ten people killed, ten people wounded. so 20 victims in total. at least so far. police are still investigating, the promises another update within the next few hours at this moves forward. still very early in this investigation, as we move forward. the business that this occurred at was reportedly and ballroom. we don't know if that shooting happened inside of that business, or in the street outside. again, all part of the investigation, which is still

ongoing at this point. as soon as we learn more from police, we'll send it to you. back to you. >> our thanks to steve patterson who is out there in california. for more on this breaking story, we're going to bring in cliff watts. clinton's and national security analyst, distinguish research fellow at the foreign policy institute, and the author of messing with the enemies, surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians, and fake news. clint, always good to see. sad to have you join us this morning because this breaking news. we know so far that there is no suspect in custody, so my question to you, straight out of the gate, why are police going to be doing right now? there is a man hunt underway, but the preliminary information is so limited. we know that it was a man who's responsible for at least ten dad, i'm with you two injured. >> that's, right katie. i think the immediate triage is how they go through any sort of evidence that might be out there in terms of eyewitnesses. they're going to want to talk

to everyone he was there. even in some of the news reports, you're seeing that some people fled from the scene. they went to nearby businesses. i'd imagine they're trying to talk to every individual, trying to get any identifying characteristics of the shooter, and what way that shooter may have gone, or if they used any sort of a vehicle or transportation. separately, there are also going to be looking if there were other instances related to this, during the press conference, they seemed that there was some information that they were running with. i think the fake one that we've seen consistently over and over again, all the close captioned television, all the security camera, as you can see, it is a commercial district. on that street. it's very busy. with the, with this happening after the lunar new year party gathering that was there, hopefully law enforcement can capture some of that video and use it as a lead to get after who the shooter, is where they're coming, from whether

could've gone to. >> you know, clinton, glad that you brought up the existence of the possibility of surveillance cameras. does the fact that this happened overnight, late into saturday night, early sunday morning, does that create some type of -- to get their hands on surveillance, cameras, that kind of stuff, that might be able to pinpoint who the shooter was in this instance? >> yeah, katie, i don't know if it prevents them from doing, at a just makes it more difficult. most of these businesses wore probably not open, or there -- about what happened, and how they might be able to contribute. what i found in my experiences that local businesses, at a situation like this, is that more than -- willing it's the middle of the night here. so tracking those businesses down, any sort of cameras that might be out there to try to gain that evidence. i think it will happen. it'll probably take a bit of time due to the nature of this happening lately evening. >> claimed, you mentioned that there was a press conference.

we managed to capture that a few minutes before the show started. captain andrew, mayer of the homicide bureau, was speaking to media on-site. he did mention, and you mentioned it a second ago, the possibility of another related shooting in alhambra valley. he did mention, captain mayer, that it may be related. if there is this big question mark, and again, this is preliminary at this, time plant, what with that factor into in terms of the investigation that's going to be conducted by police, even now as i'm trying to find a shooter, if they suspect that there is a related shooting nearby? >> well in many cases i think jim kavanaugh was just a little while ago, he was trying to describe, it is not unusual in a mass shooting situation to see that there is some sort of a related shooting against an individual person that it turns out the mass shooting was one of several instances involving the shooter. they would use that to pc

gather in terms of who the shooter, is it how they might proceed in terms of -- i'm sure the biggest concern right now for law enforcement, after getting all of the wounded to hospital for triaging care, is where is the shooter, and what did they do this again. i think that's the big concern. they've got to track down the shooter, find out who it is, and try to prevent any more attacks. especially if it is related to another shooting and another location summer else. >> that is critical, right? the idea that the shooter is still out there. no suspect that is in custody. we have tended, and at least ten injured as a result of this mass shooting, mass casualty events. what should people, residents, and the immediate area, and the surrounding areas, be doing right now? frankly, there's not a lot of information. they don't know who they're looking, for other than the fact that the shooter was male. >> that's right, katie. it goes back to what we are

seeing a new york, and you see all the time i might, ptc something, say something. you have to tip people off, and -- that seems like it might be related, however small it is, it could be that one thing that law enforcement can get up to speed. the growth of the perpetrator as, and go about making sure that the entire community, and the broader l.a. area safe. all reports are helpful, in the end i think that you're going to see a lot of that probably as the morning turns out. if there is more than one location, we still don't know this, but it seems indicate that there might be another incidents. piecing the suez together gives you some idea the locations where we might see some temp surveys coming from. again, the biggest concern is that there is one basketball team and students, and because we don't have the perpetrator, as law enforcement is trying to figure that out right now, they need to get their very quickly. they need to close in that individual, make sure that the communities are safe.

you don't want another attack, and i think most well-known, one of the, says the boston bombing. you might remember a decade ago, or one mass casualty incident, they didn't know who the perpetrator. was they had to move very quickly, and that could lead to other instance down the road. i think it's a very tense time there right now, and they're going to have to work diligently, and quickly to get the evidence out. i look for a lot more information hopefully by morning. >> clint watts, msnbc national security analyst, say they get for your time. i know this is a developing story so thank you for running with that. we will look forward to hearing from you later on. we appreciate you joining us this morning. thanks so much. >> and we're going to have much more on this breaking news coming up later in the hour. plus, more classified items found in president biden's home in delaware. look at this mean for the special counsel investigation? glenn kirschner is here to help

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we are following, more classified items found in president biden's home in delaware, this happened during a surge that the white house says was the presidents idea, here is a senior adviser to the white house counsel's office, and stamps, after the personal lawyers who -- which the coordinated with the doj, they went back in the president said, offer up doj access to the house -- so they reach out to doj, offered access to the house, it was provided. >> white house for this conduct, has more. >> katie, good morning.

this is another major development in this growing controversy. the wilmington search itself was kept secret at the request of the department of justice, conducted in conjunction with the presidents lawyers. neither the president or first lady were president as federal agents poured over handwritten notes, files binders, and memorabilia point back decades. this search lasted 13 hours, scan the entire property. it was dead at the invitation of the president's lawyers who said that they offered to provide prompt access to a comprehensive check of any potential classified material that wasn't already turned over to doj. the fbi says that it recovered six items with classification markings and surrounding materials, some of which authorities say dated back to his time in the senate. in addition to some from his years's vice presidents, it's the latest development after fewer than a dozen classified documents are found at the presidents former office of washington d.c. in november, along with more on his will meet him garage in an adjacent

room in recent weeks. the total number of all of this is still unknown at this time, this is closure comes just days after the president had said that he had no regrets over the headline of the documents saga, and those were his first public -- so in this case, there was no search warrant that prompted this detailed review at the wilmington home, unlike the fbi seizure of former president trump's mar-a-lago estate last year. that's a distinction that the biden white house has made repeatedly, and all of this is still unfolding as white house chief of staff will depart the administration in the coming weeks sometime soon after the state of the union. this wasn't his intention for months, but it is a significant change since he's been in the top world for two years. he was a key adviser to the campaign before that and he's also the first of several high-profile staffers expected to exit at this halfway mark in the term. katie. >> that's nbc's monica alba, we

thank you. as monica mentioned, earlier this month, eric garland appointed a special counsel to investigate the materials discovered at president biden's possession. how could this latest development impact that probe? with me now on set is former federal prosecutor and nbc legal analyst, gloria kushner. he's also the host of the podcast, have -- a new in miami is a gift, i thank you for being here. this is done centrally, meaning, president biden said come to my, home look around, and they did. it started at 9:45 in the morning, completed at 10:30 pm, and according to his counsel, biden's council, doj had full access to the presidents home, including personally handwritten notes, files, papers, binders, memorabilia, to do list, and reminders going back decades. this was done by the doj, not special counsel. does make a difference? >> you know it really doesn't

make a difference to the investigative team is that went in and did this thorough search, what does make a difference, katie's this reportedly was that the presidents suggestion. what a difference it makes. you have one president who is sending a signal, i have nothing to hide. you know what? i may have had some documents that carried over from my time previous time, and public service. what i want to do is invite the department of justice in to look through everything. why? because i have no consciousness of guilt, i have nothing to hide. those compare and contrast what donald trump dead. donald trump did nothing but hide the documents that he had unlawfully taken by his own admission, because he posted, i took those documents. more openly and transparently than others. then there was this 18 month

long battle between donald trump, and the national archives. the fbi, doj officials -- then the grand jury that was criminally investigating his essentially theft of classified documents. finally, all that was left for the department of justice is to present all of this information to a judge, and what did the judge find? that there was probable cause, three federal felonies have been committed, and evidence of those crimes would be found at mar-a-lago, donald trump's home, lo and behold, when they executed that search warrant, they were classified documents. let's remember, donald trump may want to talk about -- there were classified documents in his desk drawer. this pretty much seals the criminal deal right there. >> let's get down to legal grass tax. you have a current president who has classified items in his

possessions, former office, et cetera. you also have one of the former president who has classified documents in his possession as well. and my opinion, it turns on the obstruction. you could look at them at their face and say, maybe all the requirements of improperly handling classified information. doesn't this all turn on the intent? like you mentioned, trump was obstructing the ability for the national archives and others to be able to get these documents and materials back. is that going to be a part of the analysis? the calculus that's going to be done by special counsel robert hur, who is a special counsel for president biden's ministration. >> i'm glad the one for the obstruction. on some level, that's what it's all about. donald trump obstructed not only the national archives, not only the department of justices attempts against these documents back, he obstructed investigation that was being conducted by the grand jury.

11 person obstructs justice, and the other facilitates justice, which is what joe biden dead, he facilitated the investigation. he didn't obstruct the investigation. i mean, talk about 90 in day. yes, things like these turn on a criminal act, and criminal intent. you need both of these things in order to criminally charge. we don't know if there's a criminal act, we don't know if joe biden said collect a whole bunch of classified documents and send them to my office and my home. and investigation will sort out how they ended up at his office and home. do you really think that joe biden had criminal intent? was he out there peddling these documents to our foreign adversaries? was he out there leveraging these documents for personal, financial, benefit? it seems unlikely, but let's wait for the investigation to sort things out. i suspect at the end of the day,

you'll have neither a criminal act, nor criminal intent. with donald trump, you have nothing but criminal intent in obstruction of justice. it makes all the difference. >> one last question before you have to end this. i want to ask you this. the documents that are being found biden's custody in possession, they go far back. as some of them, as far back as when he was a sitting senator. that was a 70s and 80s. if you are looking at this case, especially, you are a former federal prosecutor, this is the timing concern you at all? if you are presidents counsel, are you looking at the fact that he's maybe had stuff for decades. does that worry you? it doesn't worry me, but it is an important data point. i would take it all n, and i would have to ask myself at the end of the day, is this an indication that when people leave public service, whether it's in the center, whether the vice presidency, whether the presidency, and they have, let's face, that katie, i don't

think joe biden or donald trump got down on their hands and knees impact of everything themselves. they probably had staffers pack opening up for them, and they directed that they be shipped to various locations. you know is it routine when staffers packed things up? we have to know these things. they're going through each item to see whether there is a classification on that item, or they just told, listen, pack everything up from that office, or that file cabinets, box it up we'll figure out where we wanna -- >> we do know that donald trump, and you mentioned it a couple minutes ago, he is his own worst enemy. he cannot shut up. he posted off on truth social, for example, that these were cool keepsake folders. that the gestapo, the fbi, took, when they raided mar-a-lago, quote. the marxist dogs, again, referring to federal law enforcement, would plan

documents when in possession of the material. he is admitted to have in possession, he's admitting to keeping things. now he's saying, well now he's lying, which is par for the course. does he keep on making emissions and confessions every time he opens his? mother prints on social -- >> he does that is incriminating evidence for prosecutors. one somebody who's the target of a criminal probe, which he clearly is, special counsel -- is investigating these precise crimes, the classified documents that mar-a-lago, everything he says, everything he poses what we call it a mission by a party opponent. it's not hearsay. it comes as a criminal information. when donald trump says on the one hand, the fbi planted them, on the other hand, okay. if they are there, already classify them with my mind the next post, well, you know, it was a bunch of empty folders. we know that to be untrue. all of this may play to a

certain segment of the space. you know who won't play too? when prosecutors line it all up and present it to 12 people in the jury box. it's not going to play to a jury. >> that's a unanimous verdict of guilty. don't go anywhere, we're going to be back later. then, we'll talk about the supreme court's investigation. i'm putting that in quotes because i'm skeptical about -- why when the justices asked to sign sworn affidavits just like their clerks and their personnel? does this news continue to erode the legitimacy of the supreme court? also, we are keeping a close eye on that mass shooting that led tests people died, and at least ten others injured near los angeles. we have a live report, that's coming up. hat' coming up. or a double shift. make your move and get out in front of eczema with steroid-free cibinqo. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults who didn't respond to previous treatments.

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killed and a shooting on monterey park of fournié, and a massive manhunt is underway for the suspect. so far, there's really not much that the police can say publicly. >> -- the suspect is -- >> no sir, are not at this time. no description on the suspect at this time. . all i can tell you is that there was a firearm that was used, no other information. >> the mass shooting happened just after 10 pm local time, at a dance studio. the same area, where there was a massive lunar new year celebration earlier in the evening. nbc news correspondent, steve patterson is there live this morning. and steve, the shooting happened about six hours ago. can you tell us what the scene is like there. >> yeah, katie, the latest we have comes from that briefing

that -- just to reiterate, the latest is 20, which is ten dead, and an additional ten wounded. take it to local trauma centers, ranging in condition from stable to critical. the scene, as you mentioned, has been static now for several hours. police holding the presence behind me. the expense of the scene, i'm not sure, haven't been back there, police are responding to chaos. as you mentioned, 10:22, responding to those shots fired, conducting triage, getting on scene, and now this hours long investigation with the male suspect still at large. they're telling, people they have any information, come forward contact police, and secondarily, remain vigilant. this is still a suspect. a person who is out there somewhere. this may be troubling, as you mentioned, because this is a heavily asian community. this is culturally significant, moderate, people coming here to

live that are part of the aapi community. with that, this lunar new year celebration is huge. tens of thousands of people over two days. one of the largest lunar new year celebrations and southern california, if not the entire country. we now know that the second day of the celebration has been canceled as this investigation is ongoing. that's the latest we have. we do expect another briefing. and soon as we know more, we'll let you know. back to you. >> thanks, steve. for more on this breaking story, we're gonna bring in jim kavanaugh. jim is a terrorism analyst, he's also a special agent in charge -- it's good to have you with us this morning, unfortunately, under the circumstances, it's still very early in this >> well katie, it's a sad, this attack has happened. we don't know if it's a hate crime, of course, we don't know

the motive, ultimate's are open an attack on a community like this, that comes to the top of the commanders had, one of the league categories is hate behind the motive of the attack. the critical thing is to find the killer, to stop the killings. that is what the commanders are most interested in. evidence is secondary, for still help the victims on the scene, then how pain -- will start up a family center near, bob so family members can get news from their family members. this horrific report of ten dead. then there will be the search for the color. as those roy -- lapd spot, all this what seems in the area will be ready. they're probably already getting ready to -- ten dead and 20 shot, people in

critical condition, you could have more deaths, and fortunately. will the color start again? that's what we want to know. the commanders do not want to relay everything they have. first of all, they want to nail it down. second, they don't want the color to know. if he's hiding, with this -- and sometimes, they do, it's manic we watching the, news katie. every, show flipping the channels. on the lab. trying to find out everything from his active murder. that's why they can't give us -- >> jim, before i have to let you go, very quickly, i did want to ask you, this occurred and a ballroom dance studio. the law enforcement have been converting those inside or outside. frankly, do you think these types of violent crimes, do you think that, because of the sheer number of possible victims, one location, we've had mass shootings have been in clubs, bars, to think that might impart that consideration?

i know motive isn't clear yet. >> you're exactly right, sometimes with the mashudu you want to do is get a crowd, it could be walmart, he doesn't know the people who are not of the same religious denomination, they're just people he wants to kill. another, time a public apart, like a top supermarket in buffalo new york, it is a public place, they're targeting the minority community because of the african american community. it can be bold, and a crowd there, or could be, you know, targeted a crowd there. in other words, he wants to kill a lot of people, there's a crowd. in the greater l.a. area, it's never that hard to find a crowded any nightclub, at 10:00 on a saturday night. the commanders have to consider all these motives, and also you can't throw revenge, or some kind of -- all kinds of out there -- that you don't think would be

rival club, owners, to hate somebody who's in there, they go berserk on a killing, the motive is undeveloped, but the critical thing this morning, and in monterrey and in l.a. county, to find the killer and stop this killing, that is the critical thing today. >> jim kavanaugh, i want to thank you, this is the reality that law enforcement has to find the shooter at this point. we do not have a suspect in custody. thank you for joining us. coming up, the supreme, thanks to, the supreme court's investigation from the dobbs leak is raising many questions about why the justices weren't made to sign an affidavit, saying they want to the leakers. good kushner is back after the break. he break. you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work.

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this morning, questions still remain regarding the integrity of the comp [interpreter] conducted by the supreme court over who leaked updraft of the dobbs decision back in may of last year. the decision may have overturned the constitutional right to an abortion. nbc news learning, that supreme court martial, guilt currently, did speak with each of the justices as a part of the investigation, but they did not have to sign a sworn affidavit. this contrasts with debbins of law [interpreter]

and [interpreter] members of the court who are asked to sign affidavits that they did not leak the this opinion. the supreme court announced on thursday that it ultimately wasn't able to identify who leaked that unpublished draft opinion authored by justice samuel alito. back with me now and more on all of this, federal prosecutor and nbc legal analyst, glenn kirschner. glenn, this is a pretty, it looks hefty, this investigation that was done, then there was a follow-up statement. i have to use the word investigation in quotes, because the fact the justices didn't sign the sworn affidavit i vying to be suspect. your thoughts? >> a phrase that we often hear these days is, you investigate, you prosecute, but don't fear or favor. it looked like wakil hurly, did the person who was in charge of this investigation. i was -- is a former army jag, as i. certainly respect or military service. when you look at her bio, there

is no indication that she has and background in conducting investigations. she is who the supreme court asked to investigate this. when you talk about investigating without fear or failure, it sounds like she investigated with a whole lot of favoritism being shown the justices. the clerks, the staff, apparently, were grilled and have designed sworn affidavit adopted the penalties of perjury. they could get in real trouble if a lie. then, we learned that when -- interviewed or, whoever she had interviewed, the justices themselves, they didn't have to execute any affidavits. in essence, they cleared themselves. >> this was the marshal of the supreme court. this was the policing themselves. this dovetails, glenn. there was the prior allegation,

said no illegal like the decision outcome in 2014. he has denied and issued a statement. glenn, why police yourself? there is -- they are saying, we need at the x, we need transparency. looks the holdup? >> i mean how well does a play would congress tries to police itself? how old is a play when certain police departments tried to police their own, enforce, ample excessive force allegations. not only is that's an open question, whether the supreme court can police itself. we know they can't police themselves on brooke usual issues, because justice thomas sits on cases in which he has an actual conflict. the fact that miss hurley treated the justices dramatically differences than others who were interviewed --

undermines the entire investigation. at the sundance -- film festival, there is a documentary from a chemical just. as it has to do with the sexual assault allegations against justice brett kavanaugh. let me be clear, this is what is alleged in the documentary. the documentary alleges that the fbi failed to reach out to 4000, 500 people who sent intense prior to kavanaugh's -- and, said those tips went to the white house. we know what happened once those steps went to the white house, don't worry,? isn't this more proof positive that the scotus confirmation processes to be overhauled, and there has to be an exterior force, and exterior entity that is watching what's happening. >> absolutely. it would be nice if we knew. what was in those 4500 tips. i understand that there was a back on investigation, and it was requested by the white house, that's what this

procedure is -- the white house, donald trump, was the very entity that desperately wanted brett confidant on the supreme court. they didn't care what miss contact teammate have displayed in that disqualified to sit as a justice. he is a difference in nauseating. 4500 citizens put themselves in the line, and call themselves -- as brett kavanaugh was an suitability to serve. you know what, there is nothing more offensive, or disrespectful, of those citizens who put themselves out there, then to have those things delivered to the white house, rather than investigated by the fbi. how about we investigate them now? >> why not. the reason why we, should justice matters. i always wish we had more time, i was just telling producers that i could sit with glenn for hours and we would have a good time. thank you for being here, my friend. appreciate it. coming up next democrats were

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stories. tightlipped as a force discovery of classification markings were found in president biden's home in delaware. democrats have already been frustrated with the response from the white house regarding the investigation. it has distracted from the -- and biden's potential 2024 campaign announcement. this will happen in his white house chief of staff is expected to step down after

biden's state of the union address in february. my power political power on sunday morning is here. former press secretary for -- is here and, also we have political strategist and former republican strategist singleton. gentlemen, it's so good to have you here, there's so much to get into. i'll start with you. what do democrats have to do to maintain control of a narrative that runs a very real risk of running out of control? >> sure. first, i think it was incredibly smart and prudent of the white house to put someone out last night. we saw eons sam's on your colleagues show. for a very long period of time. i thought he did a remarkable job of communicating, and explaining a lot of the complicated parts of this legal issue to the public. i think as long as they're engaging in, engaging is

important, he was refreshingly honest about how even they don't always have the answer. well it's frustrating for democrats and the public, and members of the press, they don't always have all the answers, so they can't go out and compromise the investigation. or say things they don't know, or things they don't have answers to them. i thought it was sport that he was out there, that they put him out there right away to put to that last night, because when you not engage, in a vacuum is full. other information is all over the, place in your right, you do lose control of the message. >> you know, chair michael, there is a lot of screaming that's coming from the gop about a double standard that's been applied, republicans are clearly going to town was happening. this handle in a classified item situation is clearly an issue on both sides of the aisle. there is actually been a discussion that perhaps the classification process needs to be completely revamped. you and i both know that some

of it is practical stuff, and the reality is, is the optics in the beltway. does congress need to get involved and revamping what is happening with this classification process? >> not necessarily sure what -- the president has the highest level clearance of the president can dictate what should and shouldn't be classified. it hurt about this for the boston globe. they previously hodge -- as a political appointee. michael is very familiar with the process as well. you know, i guess we can get to the politics of trump versus biden, i took a different approach. i think this is a wonderful opportunity for the president to take charge. through the executive order, review -- how daca events are turned over with the presidential, vice president, is preparing to exit office. i think that will give the american people -- as they're taking it seriously, but also looking to reform the process for future presidents to come. >> you, know michael, amidst

all of those latest revelations about the location of the classified items, and the chief of staff ron klain is stepping down. you worked in the white house, you know the biden family, you know ron klain. is the right time? i know we can't tell what he can and can't do with his life, but what is the perception that ron klain is stepping down a missile of this trauma? >> this is all pretty typical in terms of staff turnover, i think president trump had three chiefs of staff at this point. look, ron coach the president through 11 primary debates, to general election debates. he came into the white house, first of all, managing a transition from one presidency to the other, without much help from his predecessors. coming into administration, coming into a white house in a nation under crisis, that we

haven't seen in generations, and administering the most successful vaccination rollout in history, and frankly, you know, the first two years of this administration has been the most productive, and most effective than any other in modern history. because, nuts in no small part because of leadership. look, he is served the president for very long time in the senate. the vice president's office -- and through a national crisis. i think he probably deserves to take a -- >> chair michael, have less than a minute, but i have to send enough question to you. i have to ask, you are very worried about this debt ceiling situation. we hear word right now that biden mccarthy are going to do a sit down. it's been very clear, they have to figure this out. bipartisan or otherwise, this has to be resolved. what are your thoughts and whether or not the gop trying to hold this issue hostage

makes sense for the gop's popularity amongst americans? >> look, the republicans won the house by a slim majority. we have until -- the government will not be able to pay any of its debt. i do think republicans have a legitimate argument that we do have to raise this thing, but we need to have a balanced budget. when he did payer down some of this debt. it's increasing too high. what that says, katie, you don't want to make that argument, wow, why -- i think the white house and democrats are going to have to figure out some type of way to work with republicans in, that's because the reality is that kevin mccarthy doesn't have room to bring -- across the, board strong, right-wing members of the party. if he doesn't figured a way to placate those individuals, we will do over the big heads back to the budget is a. pass mccarthy has a difficult job compared to president biden and democrats. the minority leader here, the ball will rest in this court. >> katie --

>> go ahead, sorry. quickly. >> no, i'm sorry, i was just going to say that this is not where you negotiate. you negotiate over a budget on spending. you don't negotiate on paying your credit card bill. >> that's exactly the point. this is money already spent. the money is already spent. jeremiah gould, i'm so sorry, this is money already spent. we need to be able to pay back our debt. jerry michael -- thank you for being here. we'll be right back. be right back. rooty tooty fresh 'n fruity yep, it's back. for a limited time. the six dollar rooty tooty fresh 'n fruity combo. 2 eggs, 2 bacon strips, and 2 fruit topped pancakes. only from ihop.

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