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you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex or parts. we'll begin again on the breaking news for the intensifying gantt hunt for the gunman wanted for a mass shooting near los angeles. here is what we know from police so far. at least ten people were killed which includes five men and five women. ten others have been injured. the suspect is still at large right. now police say they have received some conflicting descriptions from eyewitnesses. the shooting happened at a crowded dance studio in monterrey park just as lunar new year celebrations are underway. let's go to nbc's steve patterson who is on the scene since the wee hours of the morning. steve, welcome. what more can you tell us about this horrific shooting? what have you learned recently?

>> top of my, we've just had in your press conference as over the half an hour or so ago, with the l.a. county sheriff's department and with moderate police. with so many more that arrived on the situation representatives and people in this community who really care about this community. top of mind is that the suspect is still at large. they've not gone to their man. and there is no rest and nobody in custody. last with a 31st thing the police are investigating. and then once potential. mediately that message was clear at this press briefing. they do not have anybody in that they are searching as hard as they can all available resources are all going towards finding this person of interest. the shooter believed to be a male. now, we do get a new description of the shooter. before, it was just a male. now police, there are conflicting messages on. this but i want to be clear that police including the sheriff's, are saying this is now an asian male between 30 and 50 years old. that is a description from the

sheriff, from south. it fits the description of somebody would see near the club with that weapon. inside that dance hall. that is clear as well. the man hunt is still underway, suspect is at large. a separate incident, though 20 to 30 minutes after. this nearby town of o'hara, in about 20 of to 30 means there was an asian male spotted going into another dance hall. with a weapon. police say they recovered that. weapon suspect got away from that incident as well. police do not describe the weapon as a high powered weapon. but they do have. it they won't tell us what it is part of the investigation. but they're looking into that as part of the investigation. there was a white cargo van does now being called a vehicle of interest, from that separate incidents that may be related to this incident. all of, this together, is what police are working on as we speak. top of, mind the suspect is not in custody. this, all happened of course,

maybe an hour or so, a few hours at, best after the lunar new year celebration. one of the largest in southern california. maybe the. largest maybe one of the largest in the country. you have thousands of people in the street celebrating their heritage. celebrating chinese new year. there was some concern about whether not those things are related. the answer is that we don't know yet. but it was still very devastating for this community. 65% of asian americans make up a whole part of this community. and they are hurting. we spoke to the l.a. county supervisor until this elise about this at that press conference. here's what we can say about what the committee is going through. listen to this. >> this is unfortunate, happening here on the day that we celebrate. it is a holiday that is so well respected and celebrated by so many in the api community. just yesterday, hundreds of thousands of people on the street on garvey.

to know that people could come out after the pandemic to celebrate. >> this was supposed to be a massive today celebration, they secondary has now been obviously canceled in the of what has happened. i asked the, sheriff point blank. is it safe for people to celebrate literally a year? he told me yes. that does not indicate whether or not they have a motive. but i think it is a clear indication that they are at least not worried about the standing threat to specifically targeting this segment of the population. beyond that they're still looking for this person. the motive is at. large weather not this was targeted we don't know. whether or not this was incidental or indiscriminate, we just don't. now there is no motive. yet to. early police are investigating. i think we can do is bring this person to cast today. >> 100%. i think that a lot of people, even with that quasi-clearance from law enforcement, to

continue celebrating, may not. they may feel that they need to just hunker down instead. okay, thank you so much, steve, for the latest news on. that joining me now is duty, true democrat from california. congresswoman, i saw you there at that news conference an hour into huge ago when i am so sorry for your community has -- you are native i understand, to monterey park. a community than i am familiar with his. well i am from los angeles, i've gone to monterey park many a time to visit friends, to enjoy the restaurants. they're go up there against the san gabriel mountains. it is a beautiful place. when you heard about this incident, what went through your mind? >> i was shocked and stunned. i have lived in the city for 37 years. i was on the city council and i was its mayor. and i could never have imagined such a horrific action.

taking place. what is even more unsettling is the fact that this occurred only hours after we had our opening celebration of the lunar new years festival. all the elected officials were there. thousands were surrounding us and walking the street. this could have been even deadlier. it is just so horrific. especially because this is a time that many asian pacific islanders look forward to. >> oh no you were there with the law enforcement, as we have reported. top of my concerned. the fact is the suspect is still at large. what do you know? when have you learned about the shooting and the ongoing search for the suspect? >> i know that the law enforcement is devoting all of its resources, the sheriffs are

doing a very good investigation. and are making sure that the resources are there. to get the description of the shooter, and also by any kind of evidence that can help us in hunting him down. we have the monterey park police department making sure that everybody is safe. but, also i was encouraged to the fbi immediately came down. and they are determining whether this is a hate crime. and they are getting even more resources as we speak. >> in the immediacy of today at the prospect of other lunar new year celebrations, how concerned are you that the suspect is at large? we do not know the motive. we have no idea where the suspect is at this time. but law enforcement says that they continue celebrating the lunar new year. >> well that björn weiss? what does the gut tell you

about that? >> obviously, everybody is anxious. and they are fearful. but i do also want to encourage people to continue living life. sending your kids to school, frequenting the businesses that are out here. and going to the lunar new year celebrations. of course, the aware of your surroundings. i do have to say that our local law enforcement is especially on alert. making sure that everybody is safe in the community. and i would say that unless there is some statement by law enforcement, some warning and alerts that they issued, that people should keep on living their lives. >> i ask you quickly, if you've heard anything about the related album plant incidents that came across scanners, about 17 or 18 minutes according to well enforcement

there are the monterey park shooting, there was someone who stop trying to get into another bowl room. i do have the name. nbc news has yet to confirm that. not gonna reiterated. here what do we know but that relation to the monterey park shooting? >> it does seem that this individual shot at the dance studio in monterrey park, and they try to do a similar thing, they were somehow able to wrestle that gun away from him. and now, this criminal is at large. i do not know why he was targeting dance studios they've been at those dance studios. basically the ballroom dudes still movements, troubles just getting exercise and honing their skills of our. vance >> this is something they can immediately be done, congresswoman to stop these actions. something that your colleagues in congress can do? >> well, yes.

absolutely. we've been fighting for this for a long time. for one thing, even though we have background checks, in a decrease in the amount of shootings that take place in the country, there are many loopholes. we've been trying to close those loopholes because a criminal like this could still purchase a gun online, or from a personal purchase, or the gun show. without any background check at all, and that has to be stolen. >> judicial in a very difficult sunday here, thank you for taking the time to talk with us. my condolences to those in that area there of monterey park. it is awful to have to go through. this thank. you let's go now to the reaction of disclosure from president biden's attorney, for documents materials with classified markings were found in his home in delaware. after an almost looking hour certain friday by the fbi. today a bipartisan agreement than investigations must be

allowed to play out. >> obviously there is law will be very important. other forms of evidence. physical surveillance, witness interviews. a whole host of ways to collect evidence. i have no doubt that certainly we are going to make sure of this. that -- does its job and investigate this case. >> how many jobs will? hit a hateful or hundreds? how serious are they? did they will have access to them? and then, is the president being cooperative? i arkansas just that yes, he is being cooperative. of course. >> the new gop committee is preparing to launch a barrage of investigations into the biden administration, all of the questions on the inclusion of election deniers on sensitive committees. here is ohio congressman mike turner's reaction to a question about 19 of the 26 members of the oversight committee. how they're taking part in donald trump's effort to overturn election results?

>> there are election deniers on both sides of the aisle. -- when it comes to his electorate are very smart. these people have been sent to congress to represent their districts. and are part of a congressional debates. >> another gop congressman offered this defense to georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene on the homeland security committee. despite her election denialism. a one-time claim that 9/11 was a hoax. >> these conspiracy theories if you will go down -- this one is the worst violation. 9/11 was not a hoax, it was carried by al-qaeda. no question my mind. this is like 2018. i will tell you that she has matured. she realizes that she does not know everything. she wants to learn and become more of a team player. >> was that immaturity that she said that?

anyway, on the streets of washington d.c. at this hour woman once again on the march what would've been the 50th anniversary of a landmark supreme court decision on roe v. wade. it was overturned by the same court last june, allowing the right to abortion access. women are now fighting to regain these rights. he was vice president kamala harris in tallahassee, florida. >> the courts actions that's the has meant point. i'll tell you that right, here right now. already you, just many dedicated to declared james doctors and harden over and nurses now lose out. i agree their ability with you. to care for he is unfixable. he is an redeemable. their patients. he isn't the salvageable. providers risk he is not going going to to get suddenly on jail just for a younger. >> doing their no. >> it looks job to me that he flat, out >> a lot going on from coast to coast this hour. right now we head to delaware and washington, with two reports from the list of elements from there. start with you, nbc's allie raffa who's with the president in delaware. ali, what are we hearing from the administration about the

surge for the presidents home and the questions that remain unanswered? >> yes, alex. this was a remarkable new development. we learned last night, into what has become the focus of the political world for the last two weeks. when we first learned of these discoveries. before i get into the white house's, reaction i wanted to really explain what we know so far what we've learned from the white house last night. right, now we know the fbi conducted an exhaustive 13-hour search of biden's wilmington home on friday. this was done at the request of biden's personal legal team. in other, words no warrant was needed. this was done in cooperation with the doj and the president's legal team. and of that surge came the discoveries of six items with classification markings. they white house is saying that things like schedules, memorabilia, to do list from doctors, we're all reviewed. these dating as far back as when president biden was a senator, as well as vice

president. this is now the fourth discovery of classified materials. when you combine the searches of the pen biden center in washington state, d.c., and president biden's two homes. in wilmington as well as there or have a b. you can exactly one week about the new discovery of classified material. those extra pages that were found in that adjacent room, opposite biden's wilmington home. i mentioned some of the unanswered questions that we still have. one of those is whether there are more properties being searched after we know that the wilmington home was searched for the first time. and, now this discovery yesterday of classified materials that came after another. search as a question that our colleague jonathan capehart asked the special assistant to the president, and, sam earlier. take a listen to what he had to say. >> those are discussions that are happening between the personal lawyers and the doj. we want to be very careful not to speak ahead of any of those

steps. i understand that there is a bit of a tension here between publicly disclosing underlying information and facts and materials from the investigation. i understand that you all in the media have interests and that the public has interests. we also want to be really careful to protect the integrity of an ongoing investigation. investigat>> the white house, ae seen over the past few, weeks taking a posture of caution into transparency. obviously they are drawing the contrast between biden's case and his predecessors. they're saying that president biden and his personal legal team worked in cooperation with the justice department. that suffered from what we have seen the former president trump to, that this really raises the stakes and raises the pressure on this white house to answer so many more questions that we have added to this already a lengthy list. >> indeed, allie raffa. thank you so much. now going to abc's julie serfaty joining us from capitol hill. how are lawmakers responding to

get another discovery of classified materials? >> yes,. alex i want to tell, you this drip drip drip of documents continues to be a political gap for these house republicans. who have made it very clear that their central focus over the last two years is to be providing an oversight of the administration. including looking into the biden family, and whether there are any ties that they had. biden was one of the top picks that they. russia these documents are at the forefront as. well for not just the judiciary committee, which was denied by the justice department. or for anything relevant to current and pending investigations. but also the oversight committee, led by chairman jim calmer. who is on the news today reacting to. this i want you to take a listen to what he said, but also with a top democrat in the senate had to say. >> it's hard, the issue was the same. those documents should not have been in the personal possession of either joe biden or donald trump. what happened in followed from it is significantly different.

>> i took the president at his word. when the first set of documents were found at the biden center for policy, but he had inadvertently misplaced those documents. but now, this has gone from simply being irresponsible to downright scary. this is all the pattern of an influence peddling scheme. >> you hear the democrats on this issue are saying that what is happening now is that. it is embarrassing for, biden as it should be. but they are drawing a distinction between this and what happened with the former president's discovery, in which there had to be a search warrant executed at his mar-a-lago home, because he was not cooperating with the return of these documents. for commerce, say he is investigating specifically the penn biden center. whether there were any foreign ties to donations. he wanted visitor logs as well. this is just going to become more politically painful for biden as republicans really focus and continue pushing ahead with these investigations. >> right you are, i'm sure,

julie. thank you for this report from capitol hill. michael smith, msnbc national security contributor. he is also the author of the donald trump versus the united states. now out on paperback with a new biography of trump's longest serving chief of staff. john kelly. we had a great conversation about. that michael. also joining, me two of our expert msnbc legal analysts. the suburban and charles. coleman i welcome all three of. you michael, a day before the surge of biden's home, the president responded to reporters persistent questions. reiterated that they were fully cooperating with the investigation, and that there is no there, there. does this latest revelation reflect those comments? >> i had the pleasure or responsibility back in 2015 of covering the early days of the hillary clinton email investigation. what i learned from that and have seen here in the first

days of when the politicians and their lawyers figure out who they are classified information, a very bumpy. but usually don't know what to do. they don't know the extent of what the classified information is. where it is. and they tend to say and do things that in the and the altimetry. regrets because they do not have the full facts. in the case of hillary clinton, she put a several page documents around the time in her personal email account come out. and a lot of that stuff did not really stand up, in the. and when all the facts came out. in this case, we are seeing new disclosure after new disclosure. because this is just an area that lawyers, white houses and governments, do you not have a ton of experience dealing with. the spill of classified information. who has the clearances to look at these documents? who can touch. then you bring the justice department, in you are interfering with the investigation. if you do not talk in the media

criticizes you are not being transparent enough. you are in a very difficult situation. and i think that's what we are seeing here. they're trying to navigate that. they clearly have taken off her hands well but it is a nation that has put other politicians in the past when they are confronted with a similar issue. >> this is what you're describing. michael. -- so we pray so many of us know that you are damned if you do and if you don't. that's of the situation sounds like to me. what about you, lisa. does the situation change anything legally for president biden? >> i do not think, so alex. based on the facts as we understand them right now. and that is because at least where the law is concerned, too guideposts are really about intent and obstruction. in the trump situation there is a -- of both. trump was responsible for packing materials from his white house and he was involved in reviewing materials before they went to the national

archives. in president trump, based on public reporting, was involved in the continued concealment from, retention of, and obstruction of ongoing investigations by the national archives and department of justice. thus far, we have seen no additional personal involvement from president biden whatsoever. and in the trump situation, we see obstruction. here, we only see cooperation. certainly, the messaging from the white house has been less than ideal in the first days since the initial news revelation. but you're seeing a dramatic course collection by the white house in the last few days, including making himself available to the press. alicia menendez and this morning with jonathan capehart, really trying to explain to the american public, here is what we know and can talk about. we will share that with you. in the meantime, we want to get full cooperation with this investigation, and we intend to. >> to police is, point here,

biden has said that they offered the doj access to the his wilmington home. in fact, here's a spokesman for the white house counsel following the investigation. take a listen. >> as this process is ongoing in this process continues, the president and his team are being fully cooperative. making sure that they access to the information that they need. and that is why the former justice was able to go to the house yesterday, conduct a search cooperatively with the attorneys. >> to your point about access, why is this search consensual or feud through a -- >> it was uncooperative. yes. >> you continue to say the word cooperative in so i want to be assured i am understanding this correctly. does this mean there was no warrant? >> that is correct. >> charles, how would the special counsel view the fact they did not issue a warrant, particularly when comparing this to the trump investigation? >> i think it is going to make a significant difference, because as elise already pointed that it speaks directly

to the intent. when you are comparing those to situations, when you have to consider is that the reason that they got to a point of issuing a warrant in this situation regarding trump was because four months trump had avoided and denied access from the national archives after repeated requests. and even once he did return over some of the documents that were accused and certified that he would could turn away everything, that is ultimately what we got to the point of a search warrant. would you execute in his place to begin with. why have contrast looking at president biden in his cooperation with prolia notes that with regard to his situation and his missteps, showing the he's very understanding of the notion that he may have made one mistake but he's not gonna make the same mistakes. that his predecessors. made by some obstructing justice or obstructing the investigation in such a way that it would impede their access. whatever it is they need to live, through find what they're looking for. and that is one thing he is

definitely done in a huge way, the special prosecutor is going to look at and see a difference. in addition to the fact that in the court of public opinion, be in the control of the narrative and stepping in front of it and saying this is what has happened this is what i am doing, this is how i'm course correcting. >> interestingly, lisa, by his attorney said that many of the acts fun in this latest batch, including -- from his time is as both vice president and when he served as senator, that is quite a long 30 years to trump 19 73 to 2000 and. nine would it be veep versus unsatisfactory matter in this case? does it also matter, but does not appear appear at this point of the national archives has been calling for the documents? >> it's certainly -- what i will say is. this at first blush, the age of the documents look like a bad thing. on the other hand, the fact that documents that are at least 14 years old if not more were found in the presidents

possession suggests, in a bird's over course of. time as our colleague points last night, when charles warren i were on air with, him this is a man who has been in public service for the better part of 50 years of his life. the fact that a man who is a member of the senate foreign relations committee, as well as the former vice president for many, years and now the president, has only had roughly two dozen or so documents with classified markings fanned on them in his possession, is itself a remarkable, given the ways in which people move in and out of public life. i do not think that the public really appreciates in particularly rash that comes at the end of the administration, in terms of packing up. again, no evidence so far that president biden himself has been involved in any of those moves, much less and accessing those materials after the point. certainly, those facts could change. and -- will change with. it but as of right now, i do not think the age really matters so much as it does in terms of how -- sees.

it >> is a very astute. assessment the qualification of 50 years in public office, and this many documents over those years. i am not believing having won, i'm just giving perspective. michael, what is a little confounding is that more documents were found in that same house that were search before. and, yet we still do not know precisely where many of these documents were found. under, desk inside a box, or elsewhere. what do you make of that, and does that precision of the location matter? t precision of the lo cation matter? well, i think what it means is that the special counsel will have to look at, folks were saying this before, who had access to the house. who may have seen these documents. what did the documents have. sometimes our stuff that is classified that we all know. stuff about the drone program. their government simply does not discuss because the cia runs it.

or, was there truly sensitive stuff that compromises sources and evidence? i think that will be a major issue with these documents. how serious are these documents. who had access to them? who may have seen them? was this truly something that was just careless and stupid or was there something larger, more nefarious, a foot? the special counsel will look into all of those questions to ensure that there was no criminality. or, if there was criminality, to look into the question of criminality into ultimately make a decision. that is what this investigation will look like. it will be trying to understand how did this happen, what was in the documents, who may have seen them. why were they there? and why did it take so long for these to be found? >> charles, the trump team is being investigated for obstruction. you articulated. that this is than the former presidents classified documents case. legally speaking, if they're

clear difference here? >> there is. i think that you look at the timeline to understand the difference. when you are talking about the fact that there was a search warrant in the case of donald trump we can start there. the national archives made request to donald trump to return certain documents that they realized we're missing that he had. they gave donald trump an enormous amount of time that they would've never given a regular person, a regular civilian, to return property that was in their position that should not have been. it was not until after that refusal that donald trump had a search warrant executed by the fbi at his mar-a-lago residence. it is because of his resistance to this, even up to and through last week. arguing with a federal judge on his refusal to certify that he had turned over all the documents that were missing. all of this speaks to the notion of not wanting to necessarily cooperate with the federal government to return

property that should have never been in his position to begin with. not to mention, on top of that, there is also the timeline of donald trump receiving information that these documents were being sought, and then obstructing people -- telling people to move them to different places in mar-a-lago. you have several different instances where they are looking at donald trump as to why you can make a case that he has obstructed the investigation almost at every turn. resisting the easy and peaceful moving forward of this inquiry by the doj, by the fbi, as compared to joe biden who, essentially, opened up all his residences. all of his homes. his offices and allowed for free reign for this voted to take place. >> excellent point you make their. befitting this power panel. charles, lisa, michael. thank you also much. i appreciate you. the shifting landscape of abortion rights on the 15th anniversary of roe v. wade and the renewed push to keep the issue front and center at the minds of voters.

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across the country. 50 years since the supreme court roe v. wade ruling. today is the first anniversary of the landmark decision, since it was overturned. let's go to nbc's melissa power who is at a pro abortion rally in wisconsin. this event comes just a few months after the supreme court ended well. talk about the mood there today. >> yeah, so, the mood here is really supposed to be one that is galvanizing, right? there is, of course, some level of mourning in the aftermath of roe being overturned. this is the bigger than rome march. we talk about the women's march, we have the executive director here. rachel o'leary carmona. rachel, this is typically something held in washington d.c.. why madison, wisconsin, this year? >> there are sister marches all over the country each time we marched. this time we move the national march to madison in order to kick off our newfound campaign

to the states which is where the battles taking place. >> wisconsin is going to be an important place when it comes to the battle over abortion rights in just a few weeks. >> of course, the 2023 spring elections happening. primaries about four weeks from today, april 4th is the general. that is where the composition of the supreme court will be decided. that will decide if wisconsin abortion bans -- >> are anchor, alex, just asked us about the mood here. tell us, in your perspective, what are you feeling, what are you seeing? >> i think what we are something's defiance, in range, ungovernable. this is the kickoff of 2023 were women will continue to fight to regain our full rights and for a feminist future. >> why the name, bigger than? real >> our lives are bigger than what. reproductive freedom has already been bigger than. rachel raju is been the floor, not the ceiling. we have to look at the broader issue. do we have big jobs, to be feel safe, and we happy. do we trust the people who were elected in the way they got elected? that is what is the fullness of our lives. >> all right, thank you so much

for joining us. rachel o'leary carmona. the executive director for the women's march. this is something that is really just getting started. the marchers are making their way here. i can see them on the other side of the camera. we will be here throughout the day as long as they are here, alex. back to you. >> we very much appreciate. as well as you asking specifically for the answer to my question. thank you very much for that, marissa. they're new list for the kaiser family foundation showing where state constitutions protect the right to abortion and where the states are that constitutions are curtailing that right. joining me now, dana nessel, attorney general of michigan where abortion access was approved by voters in a ballot measure. dana, good to see you again. as we talk about this updated list it shows constitutionality. it does not mean that there aren't challenges in hurdles to access. how would you characterize the nationwide state abortion access on this 50th anniversary of war row? >> obviously it is a troubled

time. for such a long time we took for granted that, no matter what state you are in, there were at least these fundamental constitutional rights that each and every person had to reproductive health care. of course that is no longer the case anymore. in states like michigan, in any other states, who voters took matters into their own hands. the constitutional provision that we now have that was passed by the voters in november -- i mean, this is a fundamental right in our state now. this ballot proposal bass by some 13 and a half points! it was incredibly popular. >> is abortion access in michigan now safely protected as a result of voters approving it? or, could that be overturned at some point? >> the only way it could be overturned is either by another ballot proposal, which i think is very unlikely given the popularity of it, or quite

honestly by the federal government. if you have a congress that is composed of a house, senate and also a president that are antichoice. inch used to put into place federal laws that outlaw abortion rights and other reproductive freedoms. yeah, in states like ours our constitution will no longer matter. the federal law will trump our constitutional provisions. that is why it is so important for voters to know and understand that from this point forward, reproductive rights are always on the ballot. every single solitary election. in the past didn't really matter if we had people in congress -- if we had senators, if we had a president that was antichoice. a course we had these fundamental rights protected by the united states constitution. and in accordance with the united states supreme court. with that no longer being the case anymore, we always have to

be fighting for these rights over and over again. each and every election cycle, whether it is state representatives, whether they are federal representatives, or whether it is the president of the united states. choices always on the ballot. >> are people coming to michigan from nearby states for abortion access? are you finding some states to actively discouraging any women from traveling for abortion services? >> my understanding is that, while we don't have all the numbers from 2022 yet, from speaking to providers there has been an increase in those who are seeking abortion care from other states. i will just give you an example, we have seen a dramatic increase coming in from ohio. i expect that to rise. right now, there is a tro in place involving a pretty aggressive measure that would outlaw almost all abortions in the state of ohio.

it is not in effect right now but at anytime that case could be decided in abortion could be significantly curtailed, for all intents and purposes, in that state. we have to be prepared in michigan. there is only still three states, right now in the midwest, where abortion is accepted. you know? there's not a court challenge. illinois, minnesota, and michigan. i do think we are going to see a dramatic influx from other states. and have already seen it, to some extent. >> as you well know, in 2022, federal prosecutors charge 26 people across six states with blockading in attacking clinics and assaulting workers. on the laws protecting service providers adequate? is there more that could be done? >> i think in states like mine we are going to have to do better. we don't have laws on the books that are specific to this. quite honestly, we already see

that type of harassment, intimidation, threats towards not only those seeking abortion access but also providers. i think we are going to have to work towards strengthening the laws in states where abortion access is legal, to protect those seeking health care. >> i'm just going to say, as i thank you, i think a lot of the reason mr. gun has been successful in their approaches they had two outstanding women at the top there. you and of course the governor, gretchen whitmer. take you thank you branch for doing that. >> now to this, everyone. one of our longtime msnbc analysts have gone out on a limb, of sorts. he did it in a rather scathing way. you're gonna want to hear what he saying, or maybe wall. it is next. y'all need this. you're kelly clarkson! a whole new look for a whole lot less.

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a nearly 13-hour search on friday. in president biden's delaware. how the personal attorney says the doj took position of six, items consisting of documents with classification markings and surrounding materials. some from biden's time in the senate, some from his time as vice president. as well as personally handwritten notes from his by vice presidential. joining me now is jonathan, alter author and msnbc contributor. a robbery, gives former white house press secretary and now at nbc news political analyst. good to see both, of you my friends. robert, i want to put this to you first. give me perspective on just how big of a deal this is. >> well, i think the documents or something that clearly vice president and current president is going to have to answer on why those documents have popped up in those winter's look like it came from the vice presidential ears. in different locations. that having been said, i don't

think this is going to be determinative of joe biden's political health in 2020. for i'll think it will determine if or whether he runs for reelection. he is definitely going to minimize an issue that democrats have hoped to prosecute versus the former president and donald trump. i think there are four more important issues for the american people to determine the outcome of the political health this year, and the reelection in 2024. >> okay. jonathan, i want to get your op-ed and gets to the when you wrote to the new york times when i saw the title. someone surprisingly. here is the headline. oh, biden went to view. john you have written several books, two on the obama administration. you obviously connected, jonathan. but in this op-ed in making a case against biden running in 2024.

i want to point out that there is no sense of empathy. here it reads like it was written by a republican. how do you explain that? >> first of all, i will challenge your promise on that, alex. the article and by my saying but if he doesn't run, which by the, way two thirds of democrats have been mistaken last year, believe that he should not run for president. they support and they like him but they think he is too old to serve a second term. which would and when he was 86 years old. so, in any event i ended this piece saying that if he decides not to run, all of his shortcomings will be forgotten. the wolves in the republican party will go true on somebody else. and joe biden will take his proper place as the most accomplished one term president

in american history. this could not have been written by a republican. it is worth and more in sorrow than in anger. and i conclude that he just does not nimble enough, good enough on defense, and good enough as a candidate to be the best candidate the democrats can accomplish this year. >> let me, yeah you say that he couldn't and his proper place as a political generation. i will add that this is not all sound like a republican. so you have been restored as a faithful democrat. that said -- >> i am a journalist. i don't think that what happens very quickly is the people see headlines, they see somebody making an argument -- piece of political analysis. and everybody goes off into their tribes and their teams. it's my job to see the truth as clearly as possible, right now he's just not looking very

strong politically. >> there is a recent cnbc poll that shows, to your point, 70% or so of voters feel that biden shouldn't run. again that includes 77% of democrats. it is an anonymous, poll. jonathan and here is something that you wrote in this op-ed. you wrote that the president is now an elderly swimmer in a sea of sharks, and some of them may even be democrats. i want to, ask if you want on this limb to write this somewhat stinging anti biden op-ed, who else is on that line with you? are they former obama insiders? how are you going to characterize them? >> first of all, one of the reasons i wanted to write this article is i was surfacing for public debate, a lot of things are being talked about privately. although democrats saying that biden is too old to run a second term, and they love a

lot of things that he has done. but they want another candidate. as far as who that would, be that depends in part on whether he does decide to run again. if he decides not to, nancy pelosi decided, look, let's time they were to the next generation, then you have a whole group of candidates. people are always, asking who will it be? at this, point in prior cycles there is bill clinton and barack obama, they are nowhere seville in the polls. that is what primaries are for. when is to show us who the strongest candidates might be. you do not need to worry about that right now. just the more basic question of whether it is of interest to democrats for joe biden to run for reelection. >> i will let you off the hook by a not asking if not biden who. to you, robert, how do you interpret jonathan and doesn't square with what you are hearing from former obama staffers? or from the democratic insiders

that make decisions about 2024? >> well, i think jonathan is packed a lot of anxiety into one column of the new york times. i also ways disagree that somehow biden's political fortunes are as apoplectic or dire as jonathan talks about. he had a remarkably successful first two years. defied all logic in physics in political history in the midterm elections. i think that quite frankly he begins the year with a far stronger hand than house republicans. let's be, clear the documents issues is important. important for trump, important for biden. it is not going to decide the next election, it never was going to decide the next election. the far more important battle it is happening right now is going to be on the debt ceiling. i, think again, the president biden has a stronger hand to

play than house republicans. if joe biden decides to run for reelection, which i believe he, well he's going to have to answer the issue around >> age. everyone knows that. trouble if you do the same. i think the idea that somehow after a couple communication now foods, around documents has some have passed joe biden into being somebody with no political future or somebody who is likely to lose reelection, i think -- >> i didn't say. that just to. be clear >> you, day. jonathan >> i did say they would lose, i said that if he ran against ron desantis, he could easily be the underdog. some reason didn't say it was going to -- >> joe biden has when they had to log in virtually every -- he has run in. >> what? >> joe biden has been the underdog and virtually every

election he has ever run in. >> i have to break away because of the breaking news. nick is getting him. i.e. agent to say i'm sorry if i was a bit snarky, to jonathan. how far back we, go and same with, you robert. frankly. i'll get back with you guys later another time with today this breaking news episode in california. talking about it for the last couple of hours we are following the man hunt for that gunman, once in a mass shooting near los angeles. going to draw shulman, joining us from the. scene we have something to share with. us josh, what do you know? >> as of right, now alex, we believe that this gunman is still on the loose. last heard from authorities about an hour and a half ago. when they said that they were still looking for the suspect for the first time they offered some details about how they are characterizing that individual. describing him as an asian male between the ages of about 30 to 50 years old. beyond that, we do not have a lot of information about

exactly what might have triggered this incident. although we know that this, our law enforcement authorities are trying to determine the relationship, if any, between what happened as the night club at the scene just behind, me and another incident just a couple of miles away in alhambra, where there was apparently a second incident. at a similar location. also described as a borrow more people would have been gathering on a saturday night, where a gun was apparently wrestled away from somebody attempting some type of shooting. there is also a white cargo van that authorities have said is connected to that incident, that is a fan of interest. police saying that at this point in time they cannot definitively say whether that second incident, only about 17 to 20 minutes after the shooting here in monterrey park, were connected. but certainly that was a theory that law enforcement is trying to get to the bottom of right now. the latest figures that we have for the fatalities and

casualties are still at ten people who are dead. pronounced dead at the scene last night. five men and five women. we are also told that there were ten brought to the hospital and we were able to confirm that four of them were brought to los angeles county, ufc medical center. which is a little run top trauma center where they are being treated right now. we are hearing from the scene there that security is very tight, given the fact that there is still believed to be a gunman on the loose. we are hoping to get more updates soon, from law enforcement. as this manhunt is underway, alex. >> okay. josh, thank you for that. and for all of you, this shooting happened amid lunar new year celebrations. it happened at the asian american area. that incident, of course, is now raising some new concerns. and other asian companies across this country. let's go to georgia's, elise he's a new york city here the lunar new year of anton chinatown. what are, you drop, hearing from the folks that went down at monterrey park?

>> yeah, alex. of course we are saddened by what happened at monterrey park. the celebration here continues. that is by design. people are undeterred to let something so sinister and so evil overtake what this day is truly meant to represent. unity, family, good fortune. you can see other people milling. about what happened there is not far from there. mainz many telling me they are apprehensive, they weren't sure if they wanted to come in to take the fireworks elaboration a cultural festival. you can see there were still want to people milling about. fireworks have been going off. i want to get a statement from -- ap i hate that is so important and resonates with so many people in the community. here is what they said, in. part quote, or create space so much tragedy and trauma over the last couple. years is one the most important is in the years for many asian americans, the necklace for asian american families coming together and celebrate sending shockwaves through our

community. as we were here we spoke to a number of people who decided to partake in today's celebration. take a listen to why they showed up, why is so important to not be deterred by what happened in monterrey park. take a listen. rk >> for the community and also -- so this is to honor them -- and just having a sense of community. >> [inaudible] >> we apologize for the audio. they're but essentially they're saying that they want to be, here and represent the community. we want to mention that and repeatedly says that they do of course have increased presence here at this celebration and others that will be happening

throughout the coming days. that is also true of other cities where celebrations are also happening. >> absolutely. make sense. george soliz, thank you for that report from new york city. that'll do it for me on alice or. ports will see you tomorrow and 1 pm eastern. my colleague alex scoffing continues the coverage. ues the coverage honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry. good afternoon to you i am cory

coffin in for yasmin vossoughian. we are following breaking news out of california. a mass shooting leaves ten dead and at least ten wounded. a gunman still on the loose as police try to determine why he walked into a ballroom dancing club in a largely asian community and opened fire. >> everything is on the table. we don't know if this is specifically a hate crime, defined by law, but who walks into a dance hall and guns down 20 people?