good afternoon to you i am cory coffin in for yasmin vossoughian. we are following breaking news out of california. a mass shooting leaves ten dead and at least ten wounded. a gunman still on the loose as police try to determine why he walked into a ballroom dancing club in a largely asian community and opened fire. >> everything is on the table. we don't know if this is specifically a hate crime, defined by law, but who walks into a dance hall and guns down 20 people? the description we have now is

of a male asian, does that matter? >> we will also have the latest on new documents found in the delaware home of president biden. in a search, the white house says, it asked the department of justice to conduct. out on the streets, abortion rights advocates protesting in cities across the country today on the 15th anniversary of roe v. wade. we will take you to the one of the biggest demonstrations ahead. >> we begin in california now where the man hunt is on after police say a gunman killed at least ten people and injured ten others in a lot to angela's summer of monterey park. this came after hundreds of people had gathered for the lunar new year festival in the city. nbc news josh lederman is on the ground for us there in monterrey park. what do you know at this hour, josh? >> as of about an hour and a half ago from when we heard from law enforcement, a suspect was still on the loose with police, the county sheriff, describing that subject as an asian male.

between 30 and 50 years old. that descriptor about him being an asian male has started to add to some of the questions here about whether this could potentially be a hate crime? what some of the motivations could have been in this incident, given that we are at a community that is about two thirds asian american. a third hispanic here in monterrey park. this, of course, was taking place on the eve of the lunar new year just down the street from where there were major celebrations taking place. although police say at this point they don't believe that those two were connected. police do say they are looking into whether a another incident that took place about two miles down the road might have been connected. beyond that, police still have more unanswered questions than they do answers at this point. the sheriff of l.a. county describing recently just how much they don't know. take a listen.

everything is on the table. we don't know if this is specifically a hate crime defined by law but who walks into a dance hall and guns down 20 people? the description we have now is of a male asian but does that matter? i don't know. i can tell you everything is on the table. our detectives are looking at every possibility with our partners age range? somewhere between the ages of 30 and 50. but police also say there is a white cargo band that is associated with the second incident took place a couple miles down the road in a community called a how burrow. -- someone who might have been attempting another mass shooting at a similar location. another ballroom where people might have been gathering on a saturday night. early this morning police saying there were ten people declared dead at the scene of

the crime. so far we haven't heard of any more fatalities. police are specifying that five of the fall and were men. five of them were women. there were another ten transported to hospitals with injuries, including four who were transferred. we just learned, to los angeles county usc medical center. a level one trauma center. security is tight as police continue to look for this gunman. still, at this hour, on the loose. lindsey? >> josh, we also know that the city is canceling its lunar day festivities today. how is the community feeling with the government still on the loose? >> certainly you can tell that this is a community that is on edge. they would've been in the throes of this second day of that today lunar new year celebration. here that has been canceled. authorities saying they are still encouraging people to go out and celebrate if they feel comfortable. this incident should not stop people from being able to

safely celebrate a holiday that is very important in this community. as you drive down the street you see the various decorations as this community that would be celebrating is now, of course, dealing with the trauma and the aftermath of the incident and still wondering if this community is safe as police look for that suspect. >> really quickly, i know you touched on. you gave us some details, a little bit about what authorities now in that second incident in alhambra, not too far away from the first incident. authorities obviously still reluctant to connect the two. what else can you tell us about that incident? do you have any idea on if authorities have any suspect information in that incident? >> we know, cory, then there was a similar description for the suspect that was seen at the second incident. the police say it was also an asian male that they believe is associated with that beyond that all we know is that white cargo band that was apparently

spotted in connection with that police say that has been a bum -- and asking the community asking if they have them. please acknowledging that while these incidents occurred just 17 hours apart within a couple miles from each other they could not with specificity uncertainty say that those two incidents are connected. certainly that is a top priority right now as these investigations move forward. >> so many details to come through. josh lederman, thank you to check and -- we will be back with you shortly for updates. for more on this i want to now bring in former fbi supervisor, rob d'amico. rob, thank you for being in today with this breaking news. based on your experience, what are investigators now focusing their search efforts on? >> this mashudu in is obviously different because the shooter is alive. now you have a suspect out

there. you have the second event that may or may not be connected. the priority is going to be information that leads to why he did it only so they can predict if he might do something else again. that goes back to the safety. as you are looking through this, you have all the assets that you can get from state, local, or county to start looking at predicting the next. the fact that you have two incidents might help them. they do the cellular analysis, they can compare cell records closer to one event is at the same to the second event. the handgun, organ. they said it was an assault rifle. the gun that was russell the way from the suspect at the second event, may be able to do a quick analysis of the shell casings at the first one. they'll know if it's the same caliber. they can start putting things together that way. i am a little fearful of the white van. the last time we were looking for a white van was the dc

sniper case. unfortunately and actually let us astray. there are so many white fans out there. when i was a sniper looking for a sniffer -- there were white vans everywhere. it is the most common color. if an eyewitness saw him get into that van it's better than saying there was a white van at the scene that flared. that led us on a false chase. you have people focusing on the white van. as they piece together all this information going into the multiple command points that are going to be operating, which one is most important to lead us to the next up in this case? iding him is one. trying to find out what his motive was. obviously, i don't think it was the event itself. it was over. it was on the second tier thing that happened. for it to happen at another dance hall. what is the connection there? was he looking for someone connected to a dental? and instructor? and ex-girlfriend?

something that was supposedly taking dance lessons on a saturday night? these are all the things they're gonna have to start going through. what was he targeting? if he was at both of them, what was a targeting at both? i would find it hard to believe that there was not a connection in the fact that there were two dance halls. >> that was my next question to you. is there any thaw in your mind that this could be separate in any way? we have the two different dance halls. of course, we have the firearm that was taken away from him, disarmed from the suspect before he fled from the second incident. and as you mentioned, authorities can now cross reference ammunition from each scene. the fbi now working in connection with local 40s. i was a work in concert to pc suffering crime scenes together or to determine if they could be separate? >> well, the local command is going to be the county sheriff. the city itself is going to be

looking at providing safety to the city and all the things going on like that. the fbi has a wider net. it has more resources. i'm sure they are setting up a command post. from what i hear, right now, they lacked the victim assistance. the fbi has a tremendous victimizations program. to help the victims to get what they need. i think they started providing linguists to help with some of the interviews being -- tons of language that we can lend to it. then it will be the wider net. the fbi network runs the l.a. field office -- is amazing. he has been there a long time. he's going to start putting all his agents out. we have the manpower to start back things. we are gonna start looking at shifts. the pd resources and personnel or less. they're gonna start getting burned out. now you have to start looking at the second and third phase of the. when you start running drive down -- again, the fbi can bring in resources from all of the state and all of the country, really. i think the priority of the

bureau comes in on the manhunt. we have done a number of them. all the leads coming out of the investigation from the sheriff's office, they have a tremendous homicide unit, evidence response team. if something else happens, if there is another incident another location. again, the bureau can help piece those together through another local jurisdiction. >> what do you make of the police saying the suspect is an asian male, given that the asian community was targeted here? n that the asian i worked out there. i worked for a company that had assets out there. we had a couple of festivals. we did look at asian gang crime. i'm not saying this is that but it is out there. it could be something along those lines. i would hope that they have enough descriptions that they do feel comfortable that it was an asian male. for them to put that out -- again, it's torrents and bias to what you're looking for. if they don't have a real good,

solid, everybody see something differently. every witness there has a different source. they're lying. they just see things differently. i think they probably have enough that they came in and said, he-ization. to start helping other people help them to start looking at it. it could be so many different things. it could be as simple as a domestic violence issue. his girlfriend, ex girlfriend, ex partner worked dance to deal. he didn't know which one. could've been she was taking dance lessons. something connecting the two. i don't know exactly what it is. they are starting to really look hard at that just to the able to predict. in a mass shooting or the shooter is dead or in custody it is a totally different investigation. they are trying to piece nixon gather, forgot what a motive is. the urgency to come up with a suspect so that they can start doing a manhunt for them is really the key. i feel bad if he is driving

somewhere, he is going to be very paranoid. if he doesn't signal and gets pulled over, some law enforcement officers gonna be coming up to a car. he's gonna be thinking that they know it's him. that can turn deadly when that cop, who is really just pulling him over for some type of vehicle thing. as soon as i get these facts out, they put the bulletins out sending into all police departments to be on the lookout for, hopefully we'll start to get things safe. >> could be incredibly dangerous. we have no idea where this person is. not only the immediate committee is on edge but as you mentioned law enforcement within any sort of wide range that he could drive to or from. former fbi supervisor, rob d'amico, thank you for bringing that to us, rob. we appreciate it. of course, we will continue to follow the breaking news throughout the shooting in the next two hours. we will bring you any updates soon to get them. also ahead, exactly 50 years since the roe decision. nationwide marches today rally

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celebration. yet another community has been torn apart by senseless gun violence. so, dog and i join the president and dr. biden, i know everyone here, in mourning for those who were killed as we pray for those who were injured. as we grieve for those many people whose lives are forever changed vice president kamala harris addressing the deadly shooting in their own state of california that left ten people dead. the suspect is still a large at this moment. msnbc national security analyst frank muhoozi is with us.

to help make sense of what information we are getting this morning. what do you make of the shooter? what are investigators trying to do right now to find the suspect? >> cory, the number one priority is to apprehend the subject. period. and a discussion. this is just coming not only a statewide thing but a regional national search be on the lookout to law enforcement and. large population. a large city. we are talking about just east of los angeles. someone could hit the highway indian another date quickly. very vague description so far. 30 to 50-year-old asian male. not particularly helpful. particularly since witness counts are often incorrect. the next step, of course, is the identification and the motive. the good news is in an area like this we are going to have video cameras, security cameras. people are gonna have him somewhere. we are reviewing that, i'm sure. to see if they have this white

cargo van anywhere. or if they have him. don't be surprised if you see an image released to request the public's help and identifying whatever is appearing on video i would expect to see that. also accounts that the weapon was wrestled out of his hand and a previous event. that means dna, fingerprints impossible. that is good news for law enforcement as they try to do this. they are going to apprehend this person. they will, eventually, identify them. the larger issue, of course, is the gun question. if the initial report is correct that this was an assault weapon. i caution initial reports are often incorrect. if true it gets to the larger question of gun control and regulations. i already see people on social media, corey, you see this? california has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. yet, they have to have a mass shooting. while, that is the point! the point is guns can be

outlawed, assault weapons outlawed in the certain state, he simply crossed a line. what? we don't have a federal solution yet. a national solution to this problem. that is what we need to be thinking about. >> it does not co far enough. we're also hearing about a 2:30 news conference giving us updates. what are you expecting? what would you want to hear from authorities? >> i cannot overemphasize the importance of crowd sourcing solution to a crime. i would hope that they give out everything that they have to the public, or almost everything, here is the description we are looking for. here is the van we think we are looking for. we need a tip line established. the fbi is very good at quickly establishing the capacity kind of line that can take thousands of calls. -- with either of these locations,

the celebration of the lunar new year, which may have been going on at both locations. we are not sure. both described as ballrooms. something was happening, clearly, at that first location. we need the public health here. i expect to see that in here. that also let's get an update on the situation healthwise with the people who were wounded in. i hope that we don't hear the death toll climbing here. we are going to see a public plea for help. we will hear image description given out. hopefully, hopefully that will help apprehend the subject. >> i know you talked a little bit about it here with the similarities between the two incidents. what do you make of that second incident with someone, with a gun, another ballroom nearby? only seven miles away. >> this is essential because what this tells me is this is unlikely to have been a spur of the moment, i am angry and emotional, i think i will shoot something up.

whatever presents itself to me, right? the seams for more targeted to me. the shooter is after some kind of pool of people, celebrating or doing something, at a ballroom, added install. there is a reason for that. that is important. it tells a lot enforcement we might need to increase security at other, similar, locations nearby. or, we are less concerned about an ongoing threat because they appear to have targeted those two places for a specific region. we get into motive for a reason. it is important to understand what might happen next in this individual's mind. >> we want to remind everyone that there is a 2:30 news conference. frank floozy will stay with us to continue watching the coverage and see what updates come out of that. we will of course come back to you frank for your expertise. you bring up a really good point here. the overnight attack has raised concerns of safety in the midst

of other lunar new year celebrations happening across the country. let's bring in nbc's george so the c is in the chinatown district of new york city. george, already events are getting underway there as we speak. what are folks there saying? are you seeing any stepped up security in light of what has happened? >> yeah, corey, this event going off without a hitch. people are very thankful for that. of course what happened in monterrey park know far from the lines of anyone out here celebrating. many people telling me they weren't sure they would come out today as so many questions are left to be answered. motive, suspect, and of course, many out here celebrating with their families. as we have been here on the ground we've been seeing these final celebrations. every so often you hear fireworks talk. people are understandably jumpy, right? just because of the backdrop where this is all happening. the main thing people are saying is we wanted to have the celebration. we were not going to be deterred by a potential act of hate that took place on the

west coast. again, people here are feeling this and are resonating with. it sympathizing with the victims. the unanswered questions -- one thing that you already brought up is, of course, the increased patrols. we have seen a heavier police presence. i want to bring in some information that we got from the and white pd as far as the increased police presence because of the events happening here in new york city this weekend. officials telling us that while there is no identify threats to new york city stemming from this incident, at an abundance of caution we have shifted our counterterrorism and patrol resources -- we will have adequate protection in these events and throughout the city. >> again, people may not see the increased presence -- as you heard, again those are those fireworks that are going off. because of the celebration. while we are out here, we also spoke to people attending today's events. and asked them their thoughts on the tragedy in monterrey.

parkton. >> it's kind of crazy. there is a lot of islands going on. if you think we don't know anything about it. when it just happens, you don't know what to expect. it's just a frenzy. people in a prepared for this kind of stuff. >> cory, still a good number of people out here milling about, taking place in the celebration. one thing we do wanted to know is we received a message from stop -- about the tragedy in monterrey park he said the community is faced so much tragedy interim over the past three years this violence on one of the most important days of the year for asian americans at a place where image american families can together to celebrate is sending shockwaves to our community here in new york city folks just happy to be able to come out and celebrate despite

that progeny the took place people here are hoping that as more questions get answered these will continue throughout the new year celebration and they will continue to go off without a hitch. that is the latest here in new york's chinatown. sending it back to you. >> thank you for your reporting there. we do see life happening behind you people wanting to embrace that embrace the celebrations. it is alarming hearing those pops as you are live right there. . given the breaking news you just never know these days with where you are at or what could happen. let's go back to josh lederman who has been following breaking news out of letter, in california. a quick break we josh before we head back to the authorities. >> cory, police have just released photographs of the suspect in this case as far as we know still loose at this moment. police are reaffirming that they believe that this was an asian male suspect. they say it was someone with

dark complexion. they are characterizing this person as five foot ten, otter 50 pounds. saying the suspect was wearing a black leather jacket, a beanie, and glasses. we are gonna try to get that photo that police of now publicly released for you as soon as possible. police making this public because they want the public's help at this hour in trying to identify where this person is in to bring this person into custody. police are also now associating this individual with both the incident here in monterrey park, and the incident just up the road about ten minutes away in alhambra valley. they are listing both addresses in the notice of now put out with the photographs of the suspect. law enforcement saying that person should be treated as a homicide suspect. that speaks to the level of concern from law enforcement and state officials on the ground right now. this person still is on the loose at this point in time.

certainly they have a better description now, are confident enough that this person was the same individual involved in both incidents. they are able to put out this information to the public. any minute now we are expecting a nether update from law enforcement here in monterrey park. we will be because the in what we hope you able to find out. hopefully we'll be able to learn from them whether they have a specific individual who they believe this is. ostensibly may have had a chance at this point to interview overnight many of the surviving witnesses and get what they may have known if anybody was able to recognize and identify this person during the incident it may be information though enforcement may be able to share. the big headline right now is police are releasing this photograph, as well as a specific identifying information about this asian male that they say was believed to be involved both in the incident here in monterrey park

that left ten people, so far, dead. or this other incidents about ten minutes away where no one was injured but there was a potential mass shooting. >> police are releasing a photograph of the suspect that they want the public to see, not a sketch. is that correct? can you give anyone out there watching in case they missed that description just moments ago? can you give us a description one more time? >> absolutely. according to law enforcement they say this was an asian male, dark complexion, five foot ten 150 pounds, wearing a black leather jacket and a beanie and glasses. these are photographs that they have released. it appears that they were taken from some kind of surveillance video. they are not sketches, they are blurry photographs. police associating that individual with both incidents. saying in their noted to the

public that this individual should be treated as a homicide suspect. cory? >> i do know that, josh, we have mentioned -- we heard you guys mention in your reporting possible, be on the lookout for a white van. no other markets from there. we do see from our footage that we are showing people right now, out of monterey park, police have a van surrounded. it doesn't mean it is the correct man. is your reporting telling you anything about this vehicle that the police have surrounded? >> only what we are able to observe with our own eyes. exactly as you pointed out, they do appear to have a white van that has been surrounded. again, it is not possible at this point in time to know whether that is the banning question. if it is something police are looking into. throughout the last several hours, as is usual with these breaking news situations in tragedies. there has been a lot of information appearing on social media. floating around in text

messages, et cetera. some of it does not turn out to be true. that is one reason why we, as well as law enforcement, are being very cautious before they go beyond what they can definitively say. police have said that a white cargo van is a van of interest at this point. again, associated with that second incident that did not result in injuries. it apparently involved an attempted shooting, gun related incidents, about ten minutes here in the community of alhambra. >> thank you for your reporting on that. of course, we will come back out to that area as soon as authorities begin their press conference. let's bring in rob d'amico now to help break down some of these details we have now learned. i want to know that police have confirmed, we have surrounded a white cargo van possibly involved in that second incident. they have not confirmed whether or not a suspect is inside. of course, they are proceeding with caution. given that information we are now learning, rob, what is your

take on these latest details? here is the picture, by the way. we are finally getting the picture in now. these images of the suspect are from surveillance footage. rob, tell us what you are thinking now that we are learning more details about the sub specht. not only an image but a description in the possible way cargo van. >> the picture is great. they now have something to put out. they are combing the entire neighborhood for anyone who may have cameras. everyone has cameras nowadays. they're gonna start getting that footage. i'm sure there will be a website. this came out of the boston bombing. the fbi was inundated with video clips. it was great, but it's so much data! they really had to change the way of doing it. i'm sure they are opening up a website now. people can dump their video clips to they think they got it. this gets something out there. but they're looking for better

photos. someone who's gonna see this and going to recognize him. it is already out to millions of people. social media, everyone is blasting it out. some of them can come back and say, i know him. once they get a name all of a sudden identifies come up. cell phones, social media, they may start locating him. the white van it could be related to it. it could be an abandoned van. hey this van is not right here. what they did, safely, they surrounded. it two armored vehicles. one in the back pending the back doors closed. when the front to build a look and provide officer safety. now, if they can't see any movement in the van, they might have a tactical team move up to the side of the van with some shields. that would protect them, holistically, open aside tour and then i would fly a drone into the van. they now have micro drones that the tactical teams use. side the drone into the van -- >> there is the cargo man right there that you have been talking about. >> once they clear that van

then they can go in and start looking at it, forensically, to see if it's connected or to see if it's advantages happened to be their parked overnight. when we were looking for a white man with the dc sniper, there are so many. go to home depot at seven a.m. it's nothing but white fans. as these calls come in it's all taking resources. every time they do that you can see how many are involved in clearing that white van. if it is the one, great if not really have to undo this a few times people will see vans of the park turns to call the police about a. they have so much equipment to not put officers lives endangers to go up and clear van. someone who is in there and can shoot out, go right through that van and your tattoo team is exposed. they're going to do it safely. there is no reason to make it a rush job. they are start looking at it

they are gonna end up opening a door in flying a drawn. >> that's exactly what is happening. >> not to interrupt reba in true to your were basically everything a point you've made. we saw a zoom in out of that drone that is currently scanning the van right at this moment. >> it is amazing the technology that law enforcement came back from iraq in afghanistan. it is helping long forsman. we started doing the same things. the tactics go back and forth with the military. you don't have to go into these situations. a life is not on the line where it's like a hostage rescue. hall back, take your time, to at the right way every officer can go home. again clearing the streets so no one else is her. this might not be the van. they may have to do this another half a dozen times. white vance are out there, if they are banned in someone's gonna call and make a phone call. >> we are seeing a little bit

of movement there in the parking lot as they continue to bring in more tactical vehicles. let's bring josh andrea back in for his latest lay breaking reporting. josh, what are you finding out about this van and the second incident? and he detailed you can tell us? >> this incident took place between 17 and 20 minutes after the incident here in monterrey park. officials have said that it involves some type of attempt by someone to bring a firearm into a dance hall. kind of similar to the one where the ten people were killed hill in monterrey park. apparently, the people attending that event were able to wrestle the firearm away from the individual without anybody getting shot. but that point, long forsman say, the suspect was able to flee. of course, now, is being sought after by law enforcement. making very clear that they believe that individual from

that second incident is the same individual who committed the shooting here in monterrey park. they are releasing those surveillance photographs, as well as a much more detailed description of that individual as they try to seek the public's help in identifying and more importantly, locating, that person. beyond that we still don't know what precipitated either these incidents. whether there were some sort of connection between the sites. or whether this was more random. the areas are just a number of miles from each other. these are communities in a very close to one another. beyond that, we are awaiting word from law enforcement as we have this news conference any minute. to be able to determine what connected these two incidents. why the suspect might have gone from the first location to the second location. how people were able to disarm him. whether they figured out who they believe that individual is beyond the generic descriptions

of their physical activities they have given. that will be the key question for the l.a. county sheriff. for the police chief as well as the other local community leaders. >> josh lederman, we appreciate that. we can see the conference appears to be about to start. any second now, just as you mention. we of course we'll take that info from authorities as soon as details come into us in the newsroom. let's go back to frank for bluesy now to get some details about what we are seeing with this white cargo van. there is much speculation at this point. we want to steer away from any speculation, frank. one question is, if he was seen fleeing in a white van, that white cargo van, but chances that authorities can glean any sort of potential license plate from security footage? we have been able to get an image now on the suspect from that security foliage.

what are the chances they will be able to glean a license plate? i know that this israel life. this is not some csi television where they can zoom in that far. what are your thoughts on that? >> it is quite possible. darkness may play a role here in reading a license plate. the other thing i found with white cargo vans, not only are they just everywhere. literally everywhere. they also are popular in the rental business. it's quite possible that this van could be a rental. it makes it a little more difficult, even when you get the license plate. it could be that someone needs a false name or false i.d. to rent the man. it could end up a dead end here. with regard to what we are seeing right now in terms of the tactical situation on the span, this is a highly tactical felony car stopped. they have blocked this down. bumper locked it as the swat guys will say. it is for a high risk stops. it has to be pulled off

executed correctly because you have officers facing the driver window side of that van. and to get tucked down under the dashboard often in case there's fire. the guy them back with and take over. we are gonna see a window crash or door open so this drone hopefully can get in there and take a look around. this is high tech tactical law enforcement that you are seeing play out. i also note how this van's parked, right? it seems not to be in a legit parking spot. that could indicate that this was a bailout. maybe this is the van that someone parked regularly because they were in a hurry. they switched into another vehicle. that could arouse a suspicion here, as well. >> for anyone just joining us we have received a picture of the suspect from that mass shooting at a monterey park. authorities are connecting that for shooting with the attempted shooting in nearby alhambra valley, california.

the suspect is described as an asian man with darkest gun. five feet ten inches tall. but 150 pounds. you can see they wearing a beanie, glasses, a black leather jacket. police are associating both scenes. not what we are learning more about the suspect, minor details are starting to come out, hopefully we will get more with this press conference, any moment now. what is the next step for authorities start to connect these two scenes? >> you are not just talked in the last segment of the use of the public here. we won't be surprised if we see of how to put out. ding dong, here it is. this will be a real aide to identify this person. i wouldn't be surprised if they were going to announce that they've a person. it's possible the community, if you do the thai ethnic community might go, yes. we do know this guy. yes he did have a beef with someone here, or with us. the photo is immensely helpful.

i think we'll be looking at a wrap in apprehension at this point. >> frank we are gonna keep you on standby for any of these details it's just to make their way out soon. we will keep you on hold, frank for glue seat. thank you for your insight. let's bring in former california senator, barbara boxer. senator, we appreciate you coming in. we were going to be speaking with you about the political news of the day. of course, this takes precedent. this is your home state. first and foremost, your thoughts and feelings when you learned about the news this morning? >> i am sick of her. i am sick at heart about this. i am sick at heart that in fact this is the fifth mass shooting in january alone. i am sick a heart when you look at the whole world and all the developing nations. nations like ours, we are the worst by far in terms of these gunned us. yet still, we have lobbyists

that are in washington that are stopping us from trying to stop this epidemic. i was there in the 90s when we had a horrific shooting at a law office and san francisco. senator feinstein and i, joe biden, others stepped up and we banned sought weapons. unfortunately we could only get a ten-year ban. absence that ban expired we have seen a jump in the shootings. >> we have talked about the lack of morgan laws, more secure gun laws. we even spoke with frank for the easy, national security analyst, who expressed there are people out there saying, look california has some of the strictest gun laws. it still happened there. his point being, yeah, you can go from a state that has more loose gun laws into a state that have more strict ones. you can easily bring it over! it isn't unsolvable problem?

that is what people seem to be saying gun violence seems to be an unsolvable problem in this country. >> that is totally ridiculous vehicle over the world there are no differences in the cultures. we are the ones that suffer. i want to say something about california laws. we have the best laws on the books. when you look at deaths per hundred thousand, i just looked up in the time hours waiting. the worst states in mississippi, 28 deaths per 100,000. louisiana coast of that. wyoming, mississippi, alabama, alaska with 24.5. california is 8.5 per hundred thousand. that is awful. but i can tell you it's because of our laws. we are surrounded by states that do not have these laws. of course this happens. we need national legislation. i think it's the gun lobby is

that what people to think how this is unsolvable. the only way to solve it it get yourself a gun that does not work. again, we look all over the world, this is in some type of experiment. we know what is happening. who needs in assault weapon? let's be honest about. unless you are in the military, or law enforcement. the fact is ordinary citizens have no need for an assault weapon. they should be banned again. we know that it worked when they were banned. other thing, we have these tragedies -- look kids running around with guns. there have to be laws that those guns should be locked. it's not a question of people knocking on your door and taking away your gun that is another ludicrous thing. we can have the second amendment, we can have controls. the supreme court should stay to. >> former u.s. senator from

california, barbara boxer, thank you for your insight here. i do want to come back pretty soon. we are hanging update for the news conference. sounds like it's gonna be closer to 3 pm. it is coming slightly delayed. as we remind people of what we are seeing. if you are just tuning in with us let's bring in former fbi supervisor rob d'amico. and people are watching this rob they are seeing what you were describing with that tactical movement around that white cargo van as police in trying to, tentatively, find out if there is a suspect inside. by the way, if you look at the right corner of your screen you can also see the suspect's description and imagery now being put out and a special boats and by the fbi. the fact that we are seeing this press conference which is supposed to be starting at 2:30 now pushback little bit closer to three now does that same thing to you? you feel like there might be some news that authorities are

trying to gather to bring to the public? >> i don't want to read anything into it. constantly they try to put a time on when they are going to update you. all bunch of events happen, they are probably trying to come in -- figure at what is going on there. it just gets people spun out a little bit later. push things to the right, they may be waiting for one thing to come out so they can say something about it. i don't think they would hold of the press conference -- you're not gonna be able to confirm a ton of things unless it is actually, for some reason, that gives them the van. i will just say that hey, there are a bunch of things going on. they thought they could get on it to, they went back to three. it would be hard to read into that. i've been involved in so many of these. there's really no reason people say are, there must be something coming up. they are just gonna get their facts together. they are turning it all the precincts and others reporting so they can come out with the

best information for everyone. >> the best and latest information for the public. if you are that what are you telling the public before the air? >> again, as much as i can, for safety, but not giving away something that might clue in the suspect that we are on to some suspect. it may have been that he had the white van. it came out on the radio and he ditched it. that's frank said, pulled into the parking lot, got out. he might have had another car. or just got rid of the white van. that's what they're gonna be looking for. as much information as you give out, is it giving the suspects something that can -- that he can do something to elude capture more than getting into another car or something? pros and cons both ways. they're not going to give you certain things because they think it might tip them off on how they might be able to capture. >> your experience with the fbi

in today's dangerous social media. everyone's faces on the internet. if you aren't on the internet someone sees you on national tv and says yes i know that person. how quickly does that face get identified now that it's out there in your experience? >> one there is facial recognition. depending on how many points of the face that are captured you can start searching. it's like a fingerprint. they're probably looking at different things fingerprints on the weapons that were taken. fingerprints on the casing. they are getting leighton prince off of those and shooting them to see just in west virginia where all those people are gonna be looking at fingerprints. same with official recognition. you have computers that start to do it. there is even a -- something that other people can put pictures in and see things. that is happening very fast.

facebook tethered to be all the time people. technologies out there. they are starting to run it. i'm sure they are already doing it with the dmv checks on drivers licenses. as people start putting names to it saying i know that guy then same thing the pull up drivers license and they will start pulling the points off the parts of the face and they can identifying. >> rob d'amico, thank you for that. let's keep you on standby, as well. let's bring in former attorney general barbara mcquade. barbara, we are hearing the attorney general has been briefed on the situation. how might they be monitoring this? >> the federal government will be very interested in this case, even if it might ultimately end up as a steak or prosecution. homicides are typically state court prosecutions unless there is a federal statute that would be violated if this turned out to be a hate crime, for example, that could be a potential civil rights crime that would allow the federal government be involved. even if there is an alternate state court prosecution federal authorities can bring resources

that most local communities lack. for example, in a mass shooting one of the things that the fbi will do is to develop a whole rendering -- a 3d model of the crime scene. to be able to do that they need to secure the scene immediately so they can photograph it from every angle. that can be immensely helpful at trial in terms of determining how things played out. how it happened how the shooter killed these people. who is in the line of fire? there is so much chaos that happens during a shooting. those types of models can be helpful. federal authorities can also be helpful in apprehending a fugitive. the u.s. marshal service in the fbi are the experts and apprehending people across the country. they have tools that sometimes to look as black as well. technology, cell site location information. the way to be able to identify and locate suspects can be very helpful sometimes it's cfo bring in the docks out fine suspects i mentioned at this

point when you have a gunman on the ice that is so dangerous to the public to you want to bring all of those resources bare until that person is apprehended. safely in custody in the public can breathe a sigh of relief. >> until you know what's the deal is with that fan. whether you know if anyone is in there or if it belonged to the subject it is an inter agency -- and interstate be on the lookout with federal marshals getting involved. that does strike me as priority number one. after everything that you've heard and all of the latest breaking details that we have just learned about in the last 15 minutes what strikes me most about what we've heard so far? >> a fact that we have a photograph of the suspect is critically important now in this investigation. i know that that is something that law enforcement officials are sometimes reluctant to put out there to the public for a couple reasons. one is, they might have the wrong person. that could cause a defamation of person who is innocent of a

crime the other. is tipping off the suspect. once the suspect knows that the police are on to them, they can become very dangerous. there is a phrase referred to as suicide by cop. someone gauges and something dangerous. even as they are in a standoff with police, they will do whatever they can to draw fire which creates a very dangerous situation for the police. the decision to put that out there was one i'm sure was taken after a lot of thought. i know the boston marathon case for example that bombing was solved when they got pictures of people with the backpacks you have placed them that ultimately blew up it with through these tips that they were applicable to apprehend the bombers i imagine they went through some of the same analysis here. ultimately concluding it was best to put the pressure in the public domain. hopefully getting in a defecation. chances are someone knows who this man is. someone seen them. he lives in the apartment building. he shopped at the grocery store. he's a brother, son, father or

someone's relative or friend. someone will recognize him. it's important to finding him. then -- online eternity. has he posted anything that might be a clue to his whereabouts? has he posted manifestos that would suggest the motivation for this crime? we are going to learn a lot more about who this person is. that work is likely already underway by the authorities. >> standby for us let's bring the back in -- barber mentioned something very interesting about what a suspect does when they finally realize okay people know and are looking for me specifically. the corner of -- the desperation there and the acts that may happen. how much more heightened in dangerous of that situation becomes? mnot just for local authoritie, but any authorities that might be looking for him in surrounding states? >> yeah, that is why the

decision to put out what you have is fraught with peril lots of discussion i applaud putting out the images as quickly as they have. i do think, ultimately, it is more likely to lead to a faster apprehension. indeed, there is officer safety and public safety risks involved here. if someone realizes, they've got me now. is this person watching television? probably not. probably fleeing or hunkering down somewhere. they know it is only a matter of time. time is against them. they become a danger to themselves as well. there has been reference to suicide by cop that we've already heard here. it all increases the risk. that's why you see the swat team here taking so long to make a decision about what they are going to do with this man and how they are going to do it. the other thing that's going on right now, as fast as possible, atf.

if the reporting is correct, a gun was wrestled during the first event, was wrestled out of the shooter's hands. there is a gun in law enforcement and that the couple of ifs here but that is tracing going on. i see this as a teachable moment. the vast amount of the public thinks there is some magical federal government good base. you have a serial number on it gone and you can automatically hit the computer and it will tell you belongs jon smith of los angeles. that is not true. we don't have that here. that's part of this hogan controversy in the states. what has to happen is this very look borja's hand driven flipping through gun purchases to try to find who bought this gun where when there are people at atf headquarters right now that are being called enough their weekend to get to hand searches -- if indeed they even have a gun

to match. that is another thing we need to get better in terms of solving crime. just registering who bought a gun legally. it is not as easy as people think. >> that is a great point. there are so many avenues that, once you have that fire arm in hand, so many avenues that you then have to take to actually get an answer about the sourcing on the gun. i'm sure it's going to be one of the longest processes for authorities as they continue to unfold this investigation. let's keep frank, eu, and barbara on standby. we also have round macron standby with us. helping us analyze this breaking news out of monterrey park, california. let's add to the discussion, former fbi special agent and msnbc national security analyst, clint watts. clint, welcome in. investigators right now i want to go off of what frank just said. is that what they are focusing on right now? sourcing out that gun?

what else could they be focusing on it now? >> oh ways in the situations one of the key things is to make sure that if you believe it is -- really is. across the board over the last one or two decades, particularly in the age of terrorism, trying to determine if it's a lone actor. they have accomplishes or support. everything we have seen so far seems to suggest that it was one shooter that showed up. possibly the same shooter showing up at both locations. separately they are definitely trying to put together a lot of leads that are coming in. and this picture is going out. when the picture goes out they want to see what comes in. that is part of the reason why they did that. noting that this may be somebody who -- maybe know something about the shooting or was involved in the shooting. the other thing they're gonna look at is where they're any other signals? as the data structural in the internet social media also to

look or any sort of discussion out there about these two targets. one thing that overturned and now is one place was attacked -- one place was possibly tech by the shooter. if they can put others together you can get a lot of signals about the identity or potential further motive of the shooter whoever it may be. looks like they are moving very quickly now on this case. i think, at least i hope, we will learn a lot more in this upcoming press conference. >> the scene that given the very complicated nature of what happened last night we are seeing a very quick inflow of some data coming through. clint watts, let's put you on standby. let's keep you here. it is the top of the hour now here for you have been receiving reports. i'm cory kaufman in for yasmin today. we are continuing to follow this breaking news out a moderate park hill formula. this bjosh lederman, josh, can u recap this all thing for us? the latest that we are finding ou