♪ ♪ a very good day to all of you. i'm alex witt in for chris jansing live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. we are following new details about the california shooting that has police asking why a 72-year-old man would shoot up a dance hall on one of the most

festive nights of the year. how this case is an outlier on so many levels, from the age of the suspect to the age of the victims, to the town where it happened, traditionally known as one of the country's best places to live. plus, democratic congressman ruben gallego wants wants to che arizona independent kyrsten sinema for her senate seat. how it could pave the way for something we rarely see, a three-way race that could help decide control of the senate. finally, yeah, it may be hard to believe, but we have entered year four of the covid pandemic. how do we balance the fact all of us are ready for this to be over with with the fact that we are still averaging nearly 50,000 new cases every week? we will start in southern california where police are trying to put the pieces together in one of the more unusual mass shootings in recent memory. a 72-year-old man is accused of opening fire inside a popular dance hall in monterey park. it was filled with mostly senior

citizens, killing ten of them and wounding ten more. this morning flowers and candles sit outside the club where that shooting took place as police try to figure out why it happened. it took place on saturday night during festivities marking the asian lunar new year, but questions about whether it was a hate crime are complicated because the suspect himself was asian. congresswoman judy chu, who represents monterey park's 28th district, said this morning there may be a connection between the suspected gunman and the dance hall that he targeted. >> this gentleman was a part-time dance instructor. he somehow had some kind of relationship with the people inside the star dance studio, and probably with the lai lai studio as well. >> the second location was targeted by the same suspect shortly after the first shooting. however, a bystander who saw the

man speaker with a pistol took matters into his own hands and may have saved countless lives in the process. >> when i got the courage, i lunged at him with both of my hands, grabbed the weapon, and we had a struggle. we struggled into the lobby, trying to get this gun away from each other. he was hitting me across the face, bashing the back of my head. i -- i was trying to use my elbows to separate the gun away from him, creating some distance. finally at one point i was able to pull the gun away from him, shove him aside, create some distance, point the gun at him, intimidate him, trying to say, get the hell out of here, i'll shoot. >> wow, what a hero right there. my colleague msnbc anchor jose diaz-balart is joining us from monterey park on this really difficult monday. jose, thanks for being here. this city is not known for violent crime. in fact, it is actually the

opposite, right? the city's website, jose, it sites its ranking as one of the best places to live in the country. so how are the residents there wrapping their head around this? >> reporter: alex, good day. people here just can't believe it. they know it is real because that injury is very deep felt, but this is a community 65% asian, about 30% latino. super safe. the fact that it happened last saturday when they were celebrating the lunar new year, you know, there were flyers that were plastered throughout this community over the weekend, on friday and thursday. there you see it. chinese new year countdown dance party, right here at this star ballroom starting at 8:00 p.m. until midnight. it was just one of those really festive occasions that sometimes goes right outside this area and through the streets, people celebrate. it is festive. it is safe. it is a time to celebrate and to

rejoice in the different cultures and in the different realities that make this community so special and so wonderful. i spoke with sam tu. he was actually in this star ballroom on saturday night. got here about 9:30 p.m. he says that the place was packed. everybody was happy. there was music and celebration and a lot of dancing, and at 10:20 literally the world for sam stopped and this blood bath began. >> i saw like he shot everywhere, like this. and then after that, i -- i -- >> reporter: how many shots did you hear? >> oh, i -- i cannot count, but i now like continually. >> reporter: continually? >> yeah, brrrrr. >> reporter: did you hear him

say anything, did you hear him talk, did you hear him scream? >> i cannot talk to hear him talk, too far away. here, and i see right there, and music, no easy. >> reporter: he says it is just something that was almost like frozen in time for him. and for so many people of this community, this is a time to come together and to pray for those who lost their lives and for the families of those affected. i just a little while ago met kyle and darlene flotas. they were at the monterey city hall and community center. they came out and brought ten devotional prayer candles, one for each person who lost his and her life here on saturday night. they said a prayer for them and for the families affected. right there, kyle was born here and grew up here. he says that they, even though

they're latinos they have incorporated and accepted and become part of the celebrations of this community. they were so excited about this new year, and now they're really reaching out to those affected and expressing their solidarity and their prayers. but there's a lot of the investigation that's still unknown. there are still so many questions. steve patterson is here as well. steve, what is the latest on the investigation there? >> reporter: so many questions, jose, but i think it is fair to say that investigators know the nuts and bolts. this 72-year-old suspect, huu can tran, entered this ballroom after 10:00, shooting 20, killing ten and wounding ten, and then moving on to alhambra, a similar-style ballroom where investigators believe he planned to do the same thing. thanks to the heroic actions of that man in his 20s, he's disarmed. the weapon, a semi-automatic assault-style pistol with an

extended magazine. illegal in california. we know investigators used it to trace to the suspect, including the white van spotted at the scene, traced to torrance where he was cornered and found with the self-inflicted gunshot wound. the question becomes, as it always does in so many cases, at this point why. we know investigators have search warrants for the suspect's home in hemet, california. they will be serving those warrants. obviously with the suspect's age and connection to the community, his ex-wife saying they met here about 20-years or so ago, that he served as a dance instructionor. so known to the community. his age and status to the community, of course, they're looking at that connection. also, it is too early to rule out the possibility of a hate crime, this happening on lunar year. the fact he was known, the fact he was an older gentleman and the fact he was a dance

instructor does not exclude him from the possibility. all of these options are on the table and investigators are searching for any sort of hint to a motive. jose. >> reporter: steve patterson, i thank you very much. as we continue to report here, as we have from early this morning, just more and more people are coming by to leave flowers and notes and, of course, those devotional prayer candles. it will continue to grow as people continue to mourn the death of five men and five women right here on saturday night. alex. >> such tragedy. all right, jose. thank you so much. we appreciate that report. we know you will check in with us later in the hour as well. on the heels of that, i want to bring in dermot shay, a former commissioner for the nypd and msnbc law enforcement analyst. commissioner, welcome to you, sir. what stands out? you heard jose's reporting, you have heard and read everything you can, what stands out as the angle in this investigation? >> well, the one thing that stands out to me is the atypical

nature. tragically we have seen too many of these and in the age of the individual that carried out this attack is what stands out to me. i think they have to -- and i am confident that they are both at the state and local level, now that the immediate threat is done, just pouring over every aspect of this individual's life to try to find out why. it is important to note that having been through this many times on the other side, sometimes when you pour over all of the details and you keep pulling and you then step back and say, is that all it was about. i think we're not there yet. we are no doubt going to continue to find details that come out in interviews with family, friends. you know, you haven't heard a lot about mental illness, but clearly this is a targeted attack with somebody that had, you know, something terrible on his mind. and, really, you have to give some credit to that individual at the second location that really just changed the narrative of this. >> 100% on that.

you mentioned the word targeted, sir. so there were a few things that struck me. first of all, there was the weapon that was used in the attack. it was illegal and had that extended magazine. also, that vehicle, that white truck. he was found in it. that truck had license plates that didn't belong to it. how much does that say to you, what level of planning went into this? >> and obviously, alex, the common denominator between the two locations, i have no doubt that there was planning that went into this. it is more a concern about the why, as i'm sure many are. you know, law enforcement puts down the immediate threat and then they quickly pivot to why did this happen, and you want to get to the answer for many, many reasons. most importantly, is there something that can be done to prevent the next one. i don't think we're there yet, but i think we are going to as we continue to dig down into this person's past find

something that triggered this incident, whether it is a perceived slight -- maybe it is a slight in his mind. maybe you will get an untreated history of mental illness, maybe there was one tragic incident in the life that kind of set a different path. you have heard bits and pieces thus far. you have heard from the ex-wife. you have heard from some people that said he was angry when he came in, possibly perceived slights. i think as the days go forward we will learn a little more, but, again, the one thing that sticks with this is clearly there was planning, but this is out of the ordinary in terms of the age of the attacker with what we're used to seeing. >> absolutely. you mentioned the wife, i believe described as an ex-wife. they had met at this dance hall. again, he a part-time instructor there for about the past 20 years or so, but it was initial thought it would be a hate crime though that is still an avenue that you believe is worth

pursuing? >> i think they have to leave no stone unturned. it certainly could be the case, although everything that i have seen at this point, i would think that the police, while they are still going to not rule anything out, they're going to slowly start moving away from that as evidence continues to build and they learn more and more factors. we will have to wait and see regarding that. i think that that's something that all of us thought when we first heard of this incident, but, you know, at the end of the day the impact on these families that just ripples out, it may not make that much of a difference. you will always have to just remember the families, the extended families, and it never just impacts one person. these incidents really are just tragic. >> oh, absolutely, they very much ricochet throughout a community, particularly one like this. dermot shea, thank you for your expertise. meanwhile, we are learning about top intelligence from a new york office who was arrested on charges of money laundering

and violating sanctions on russia. let's bring in nbc correspondent ken dilanian. you have new reporting a second case is being filed regarding this counterintelligence official's time working in the fbi. what can you tell us? >> that's right, alex. charles mcdonegal, a very important job, and his job was to protect the united states from improper foreign influence. he is now charged from profiting from foreign influence, both while at the fbi and after he left. he was arrested on the weekend on charges involving two separate cases, one having to do with work after he left the agency, one accusing him of working for foreigners while working for the fbi. the latter case may be the most shocking because prosecutors say while serving in new york he took $225,000 in cash from an individual with business interests in europe who had been

an employee of a foreign intelligence service. the indictment alleges he failed to disclose the income as required and there was a conflict of interest essentially with the fbi duties. in the other case prosecutors are saying he worked with russian oligarch deripaska to investigate a rival oligarch, and he tried to conceal his identity through forged signatures and he played a role in investigating deripaska while at the fbi. it is a huge black eye for the fbi. it is a credit also because they investigated and unravelled the case because they brought and have these two separate indictments. >> this is a huge story. i need you to stick around because we have you on double duty. we will talk with you in a minute about the documents that were taken, classified docs from the president's home. don't go anywhere. thank you for that, ken.

let's go to more breaking news involving richard barnett, the capitol rioter best known for his viral photo showing with his feet up on nancy pelosi's desk in her office. this morning the 62-year-old arkansas man was found guilty on all eight charges against him including obstruction of an official proceeding, theft of government property and enter a restricted area with a deadly or dangerous weapon, namely that walking stick that doubled as a stun gun. barnett called himself an idiot and said he regretted going to the capitol, but his sentencing is scheduled for may 3rd. irresponsible and unacceptable. the harsh criticism some democrats are throwing at president biden as the fbi uncovers more classified documents in his home. new horrifying details about that tragic shooting in virginia where a 6 year old shot a teacher. the allegations that school officials were warned before it happened. now four years later, what needs to be done to stop another

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growing criticism over president biden's handling of classified material including from key democrat politicians after six more items were found at the president's delaware home on friday. senator joe manchin called it irresponsible, while he and another senator explained the

strict security involved with reviewing classified documents. >> when i go into the scif with the secured documents they always ask are you clean when you walk out. they want to make sure you are not carrying anything out. >> the person who presents the document to me takes it out of a locked briefcase, hands it to me and watches as i read it. when i finish reading, it takes it back, puts it in the briefcase and leaves the scene. that's how carefully we review these documents. to think that any of them ended up in boxes in storage one place or the other is just unacceptable. >> all right. we will bring back income's ken dilanian and welcome peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" and msnbc political analyst. ken, what do we know about what was found in the fbi search? it strikes me when talking about the scif, that being joe manchin, is every top secret

information viewed in a scif or are there varying levels? >> everything top secret and above certainly would have to be viewed in a scif, alex, but let's not forget that the white house is a scif, most of the white house. the vice president's office is a scif, so it doesn't always mean a locked vault. but in terms of your first question, everything we know about what the fbi took from the president's home came in a statement from joe biden's attorney, bob baur. to their credit they revealed a lot of information in that statement but they didn't reveal everything. they used a rather unusual construction to describe what was seized, six items containing documents with classification markings. does that mean six documents? it doesn't appear it does because they would say six documents. does it mean six boxes full of hundreds of documents? some indication that's not the case. it is hard to know. we are not at 100% transparency yet, but what they said was the department of justice, it was a voluntary search. remember, biden invited them in.

took materials relevant to their investigation. the statement also said some of these materials with classification markings dated back to biden's time as senator and vice president, alex. >> yeah, and that's sort of 1973, by the way, his time in the senate. so, peter, irresponsible and unacceptable. those are pretty tough words from two democratic senators as being manchin and durbin in those two cases. this morning a senior adviser to the white house counsel's office was asked whether he could confirm no more classified documents will be found and here is how he responded. >> there's a desire for us to release more information. we are doing our best to release information consistent with that ongoing investigation and to respect its integrity, but at the end of the day information is going to develop through this process. we are following doj's lead and we will be fully cooperative with the process. >> reiterating doing it voluntarily, but politically speaking, peter, this drip, drip, drip of new information, how damaging is it, particularly given the increasing criticism

from the president's own party and how cooperative do you expect the white house to be with white house republicans who are looking to make something out of this? >> no, look, you're right. you're not hearing about democrats out there defending the white house at this point. they do make the distinction between obviously what happened with president biden and what happened with former president trump. as far as we know they're substantially different cases in the sense that former president trump seems to have intentionally taken the documents, believed he had the right to, insists he declassified and failed to turn them over even when asked and they had to issue a subpoena and even then they did not turn them all over. that's not the case with president biden, we have to remember that. president biden was not asked for the documents. they found them by accident and said, hey, we turned them over right away and cooperated with prosecutors, and nobody is making an issue of being defiant the way the trump people have. having said that, as a matter of politics, you know, it may not make that big of a difference. the details may escape a lot of people. it allows the trump people to say it is all the same thing,

you can't come after trump and not go after biden. if you prosecute trump it shows you are selective and political. that certainly will resonate, at least with his base, and that will give him the ammunition to say everything the biden administration is doing against him is political and partisan and so forth. i think that's the biggest cost for this white house, you know. the special investigation is not a good thing for any white house, but the biggest cost is the opportunity cost because they won't be able to use this to criticize former president trump as the 2024 campaign gets under way. >> yeah, you want to bet me $1 the president uses the term witch hunt, peter? anyway, let me ask you about a different topic with president biden who soon will have a new chief of staff, that being jeff zients who is reportedly taking on this role after the departure of ron klain. what do you make of this transition, particularly as biden is dealing with a special investigation into this documents case as well as intention to announce a reelection bid? >> white house chief of staff is

one of the most thankless jobs in washington, one of things this you might ask if you should be asking congratulations or condolences. it is a time when republicans in the house will be using subpoena power to explore various issues and no doubt make the white house's life pretty miserable on some level, and obviously the special counsel investigation as well. president biden has a lot of faith in jeff zients. he was the coronavirus czar for the first part of the administration, was responsible for the largest expansion of an inoculation program in history. he looks at zients as someone he can rely on as klain focuses on the campaign. jeff zients, who is described as the ultimate firefighter by one of his predecessors, will focus on making sure the government

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30 past the hour. welcome back to msnbc's ongoing coverage of the shooting here in monterey park, california. i'm jose diaz-balart. here is the very latest on the situation. for the first time we are learning some of the names of the ten people shot and killed on saturday night right here in this dance studio about 10:20 p.m. local time as they were celebrating the chinese new year. among them, 65-year-old mai hah. described by her family as a loving aunt, sister, daughter and friend. 63-year-old lela li was identified as one of the five female victims. five men in their 60s and 70s were also killed. we have this video showing police swarming the home of the 72-year-old suspect in the town of hemet. he lived, as you can see there, in a mobile home in a senior

community about two hours from where the shooting took place. also president biden has ordered flags at federal buildings to be flown at half staff in honor of the victims of saturday's shooting. that will last until sunset on thursday. back here at the scene, people still just can't believe that this happened here in one of the safest communities in the country. they're coming by, they're leaving flowers. they're leaving these prayer candles. they're actually leaving prayers behind for the ten people who lost their lives, the ten people who were injured. alex, there is deep sorrow that this happened in this community when it was a night of real celebration. >> yes, it should have been. such somber times there in monterey park. jose, thank you for that. of course, this mass shooting in monterey park was the 33rd in the u.s. this year.

that's according to the gun violence archive. by the way, that number has actually ticked up since saturday night, now to 36. we are only 23 days into this year. this one happened in a city with very little, if any, violent crime historically speaking. the governor of california, gavin newsom, traveled to monterey park last night to meet with members of the local community. he has called for national gun reform. let's bring in nbc's josh letterman to talk about this. josh, look, california already has very strict gun laws. in fact, ranked as the strictest in the country. is newsom saying that california has done everything it can now and it is up to congress to do something? >> reporter: governor newsom probably would argue he is pushing for more restrictions on the state level. examples include some provisions that governor newsom and california democrats supported to further extend restrictions on gun ownership and possession by people accused of domestic

violence, for example. the broader point that governor newsom has been making repeatedly is that state action alone can only go so far. there's a few reasons for that. one is because states are not islands and they can't control what happens and comes in from other states. we have seen that issue in other places as well. for example, in chicago where the gun violence situation there is exacerbated by guns that are brought in from indiana and other areas. here in california we heard the sheriff last night saying he does not believe the weapon that was recovered from the gunman in alhambra was legal for him to have in the state of california, which means either he broke california's laws to get it or somehow brought it in from somewhere else. but the other real concern here is the fact that when states go and push the envelope on some of their state laws they're facing real difficult challenges in the court, and that supreme court decision just last year that struck down that new york law

did not only have implications for gun laws in new york, it opened the door, alex, to legal challenges to all kinds of restrictions that states might want to put into place. so that is what the governor is speaking to there. he was here in the area yesterday meeting with local leaders. i am told by an aide to governor newsom that he will be back here in the monterey park area today to once again try to push this issue, alex. >> okay. josh lederman, thank you so much for that report. meantime for all of you, new details are emerging about the horrific shooting by a 6 year old inside his elementary school classroom in newport news, virginia. school officials were warned multiple times about the student prior to him shooting his teacher. nbc's stephanie gosk has more. >> reporter: this morning, staffers alleging that warning

may have been down played about the 6 year old who shot his teacher inside a classroom earlier this month. not independently verified by nbc news, zwerner raised alarms about the 6 year old and sought assistance. staff members writing in the chat, she had asked for help. several times, two hours prior, and all year. "the post" says the message does not detail what specific assistance zwerner sought on to whom she directed her request. a richneck teacher also says that school officials waived away grave concerns about the 6 year old's conduct including one incident in which he allegedly wrote a note telling a teacher he hated her and wanted to light her on fire and watch her die. that teacher said they told officials about the matter but

was told to drop the matter. according to "the post" he wasn't getting the services he needed and sometimes wanderd the school unsupervised. the family speaking out in a statement saying their son sofrs from an acute disability and was under a care plan that included his mother and father attending school with him and accompanying him to class every day. the week of the shooting they say was the first time they were not with him in class, adding we will regret our absence on this day for the rest of our lives. the new allegations against richneck only echoing the concerns of so many frustrated teachers and parents at a packed school board meeting last week. >> i asked for help and was given none, at both the school level and at the district level. i cried daily. >> listen to your teachers when they have concerns. please, listen to them. >> nbc's stephanie gosk with that report. we thank you for that. nbc news reached out to zwerner, to the 6-year-old boy's family as well as to the school for comment on the allegations. we have not heard back.

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decide between groceries and utilities need people for them. there's no lobbyist or working fence. >> let's bring in vaughn hillyard, and you have some insights into problems potentially here. basil, when you have a democratic turned independent but who still caucuses with the democratic party, how much does it worry you that there will be a split between the democrats? >> big worry, because even though gallego is running as a progressive and he certainly sees sinema in his sites, she is the person he is going after, it is problematic, particularly in 2024 when democrats across the country are going to have a lot more difficult challenges in the senate than they did in 2022. so this is -- i won't say it is problematic because i do think that the gallego type of

candidacy is important, but there is a concern here. >> okay. but we are not just talking about that party. republicans in arizona, high-profile ones, big-name recognition ones will be tossing their names in the ring like who? >> this is where much of the conversation in 2024 around the direction of the republican party is going to mirror that of the 2022 one. when you look at the players throwing their hat into the ring you have kari lake telling me she is not ruling out a bid, blake masters is seriously considering giving it another go. we have the likes of karen taylor robeson. she was the republican who lost by about five percentage points to kari lake in the republican primary for governor. she comes from much more of the mold of the mccain wing of the party here, and she could potentially run as well. when you are talking about that type of a republican, that is a republican that should be at the forefront of worrying the democrats because you are talking about -- >> oh, yeah. >> -- somebody who could appeal

to those very independent or republicans that willingly voted for the likes of sinema in 2018 but would see that conservative alternative this go around. >> i'm curious though. is there any conceivable way that you think that democrats could throw their support behind kyrsten sinema as an established name, formally caucusing with democrats, would it be a possible. >> it is interesting because she was in davos. >> high fiving with manchin, yeah. >> but trying to tout this independent but it is not where the country is. you have to govern in a partisan way. we would like it to be more bipartisanship, but she needs to take a stand. even when manchin is asked, you know, are you going to run as a democrat or republican and he said, well, i'm not so sure. that's not good enough for a lot of voters anymore, particularly democratic voters when they know what is on the other side. >> yeah, absolutely. so is there a chance that she could be seen as a safer bet

though? again, you know, does that worry you? >> i don't -- i'm more concerned about what was said here, which is that i'm concerned about the republican in this race. because if you have a moderate republican, that's where democrats really would get into trouble. think about what happened in new york. any more moderate of a republican than lee zeldin could have beaten democrat kathy hochul. she only won by a couple of points. i can't imagine it is different. >> it is trumpism in the republican party, and that's where he is up and down the ballot in arizona, in georgia, in new york, it is voters, republican voters even rejecting that trumpism here. when you are talking about sinema she will have to go to the state of arizona and make the case, i helped pass the bipartisan chips act, i passed gun reform bill. why? because i was an independent voice that republicans trusted working with. suddenly what happens with ruben gallego saying you had the opportunity to do more, pass major reform and you did not

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of the millions of americans living with long covid right now. welcome to you both. donna, i want to reach out to you first and ask you what is it like living with long covid? what do you want people to understand about how your life has changed? >> it didn't go away. starting in 2020 and here we are three, almost four years later, and it is a real thing that millions of us deal with day in and day out. >> i can imagine. do you have to deal with this every day? does it hinder your ability to just do normal things? >> it does. it does. i mean i was very active, i was an athlete, prior to covid, i was out and about, very outdoorsy, and you know, prior to the vaccines while infected in march 0620, my life has come to a standstill and it turned it upside down. i'm not the person that i used

to be. it is a struggle to walk and the block. >> that's hard to hear. let me ask you doctor, you are part of the strategies to fight long covid, and how are the long term effects for most people and how are we managing it right now? >> thank you for the question and highlighting this, and donna, thank you for being here, we haven't done enough, alex, to your point, for this group of patients, and frankly, large initiatives from the nih, to understand what might be beneficial to donna in terms of therapeutics that exist for acute covid and beneficial for long covid, we don't know that yet. and it has been unacceptably long in terms of providing answers for this group of patients so it is going to take the continued advocacy, donna, of you, of folks that you know are that are suffering from long covid, to continue to push this forward, because, alex, to your point, there are a large number of patients undiagnosed, unsupported and our health system right now doesn't know how to best support them.

>> how do you, donna, currently treat your long-term effects? i mean you just told me that you have trouble even walking around, what do you do to treat it, and do you feel supported in just the basic fight for your health? >> i push forward. i have been pushing forward from day one. i continue to try to climb the hill. i listen to the advice of my doctors. however, i find it hard to find the right doctors, to find the right things to do. nobody seems to have answers for me. we treat the symptoms as they come up. and three years later, i still have symptoms coming up on a daily basis. and so it is very frustrating and i hope some day that we can get there. i truly do, for those of us that do suffer from long-term covid. it's not easy. >> oh, no, i can't imagine. what do you, doctor, want to see more from the government on this, and to the point that she's just making there, donna says, you know, she doesn't

know, and do doctors even know? is there enough research yet? this is a new virus that was introduced. do we know how to combat the effects? >> the answer is it's still unfortunately to be determined. i know patient groups that are focused on advocating for long covid, individuals suffering from long covid, are advocating, are frustrated, they have every right to be frustrated, and the nih is focussed on something called the recovery initiative which is looking to see, what can we do to improve brain fog, fatigue, donna, i heard about your story, and just the feeling like you can't be yourself again, in terms of your activities of daily living, how do you improve on that, and we know that there are clinics across the country, not enough of them, alex, to meet the demand, but we have those who focus on cardio pulmonary rehab,

neur cognitive rehab, but what are the treatments, do treatments exist to fight long covid, we don't know yet. >> what about what we learned from the fda, dr. gupta, the proposition of a new vaccine strategy, like the flu, go once a year and get the covid vaccine if you're healthy. do you agree with that approach? >> 110% i do. this is a practical move, critical long overdue. we're now talking about what vaccines against contagious respiratory viruses and we have been talking about this the last three years, vaccines against the respiratory viruses, they protect against severe illness, they don't protect certainly over the duration of time, testing positive, so making sure that we have most of america protected, say from november to february, makes a ton of sense, that's when we expect most of the respiratory viruses to be prevalent. >> donna, i'm personally

reaching out and giving you a big hug so you feel support from the anchor desk in new york and dr. gupta, we appreciate you. thank you both. that does it for us this hour. you can catch me on "alex witt reports" 2:00 p.m. weekends but stay tuned. "katy tur reports" is next. tund "katy tur reports" is next mething better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us.

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