developing stories now. more documents, potential charges in georgia and new details on those two california shootings. let's start with first the no comment from the attorney general on the latest documents news with nbc confirming the classified papers have been found at the home of former vice president mike pence. all of it turning up after pence asked his team to look for anything with classified markings on it. new reaction from the white house and capitol hill. our team's standing by in d.c. with the latest. also this hour, charges could be coming really any minute in

atlanta with the fulton county judge saying it's imminent. plus, more details on the victims of the mass shootings in california. i'm hallie jackson in washington along with monica alba near the white house. garrett haake is live for us on capitol hill and chuck rosenberg is joining us. so, good afternoon to all three of you. let's start with the news we're getting in the last hour about, quoting here, small number of classified documents found at mike pence's home in indiana. according to letters that the former vp's legal team sent to the national archives. comes as we speak at the white house, president biden is huddling with top democrats as he's dealing with some documents drama of his own and the white house not saying much about either of the revelations.

now playing out at the same time. >> i'm not going to comment on any ongoing criminal investigation. that's for the department of justice to decide. >> i would refer you to the white house counsel and anything related to the documents from here. >> walk us through what we know about the pence documents issue. his attorney says these were again, here's a quote, inadvertently boxed and transported to pence's home. the same word we heard from the president's attorneys. talk us through timeline, what we know. >> exactly. another phrase we've seen now in both investigations, small number of documents. we don't actually know what that really refers to and that is one of the open questions here. we do know that this was something that was prompted by the search of president biden's wilmington, delaware home. his personal residence, and that directed former vice president pence to talk to his lawyers and

say hey, we should check and see if by chance there's something here that could fall into that classification category. once they did that, they were able to identify some of these documents and then in these letters we've obtained, they say they let the national archives now essentially right away doing what they say would be the right thing and also that's another parallel with president biden and his handling of this. when the attorneys also notified authorities after they found those documents. but in the case of what was discovered here in his personal home in indiana when it relates to the former vice president, they said to the national archives, we want to get these to you. what's the best way to do that? in the course of that, just over the last couple of days while pence was here in washington for the march for life, we understand that agents went to his home in indiana to recover that material which had at that point been moved from wherever it was initially found to a locked safe. so once they took it from the locked safe and what we

understand is something like four boxes. again, we don't know how much material goes into those four boxes, how many of them have classification markings. that was then given to the national archives just yesterday. so this is a situation where the former vice president's lawyers are saying he was unaware of this being in his own home, but he was asked point-blank just a couple of months ago, are you aware of any of this and he said i am not. i didn't take anything with me from my time as vice president so that's prompting questions about how that material ends up where it wasn't supposed to be. >> picking up on this thread , garrett, these questions are percolating on capitol hill, where you are. questions of systemic issues, right, as it relates to the executive branch. questions of is there overclassification of documents here. we just heard senator kevin

cramer say let's make sure somebody other than interns are packing up the boxes before these people leave. you're hearing from senator rubio, too. >> i spoke to mark warner, the top democrat, and marco rubio, the top republican. it's pretty clear there's bipartisan frustration. contagious outbreak of sloppiness of executive branch officials when it comes to taking care of classified information. senator rubio put it bluntly. >> what the hell's going on around here is my reaction. there's a systemic problem in the executive branch. clearly there's a process involved that's not working. maybe it's as simple as how they're packing boxes. >> he said he's pretty confident that neither president trump nor president biden nor vice president pence were probably packing their own boxes when they left the white house. so he was willing to give a

little leeway on that. regardless, there's a significant problem here. the other problem is for lawmakers. they don't know what they're trying to conduct oversight on here. rubio said they don't know anymore than you or i. lawmakers have been asking for briefings on this. they've been getting stiff armed. the director of national intelligence will be there on a totally unrelated matter. >> i would take that bet. mon, back to you. you are sitting at the nexus, 3:05 eastern. president biden set to be meeting with democrats on capitol hill. interesting on its face. talk us through that. but also interesting because it's an opportunity for reporters in the room to talk to the president about this latest development as it relates to pence or not.

this is something else we're watching. >> certainly, this meeting was scheduled a couple of days ago. this is something where the president needs to huddle with democratic leadership to talk about the pressing issues when we're talking about the debt ceiling, those horrendous mass shootings in california. a ton on the legislative agenda. setting that aside, i wouldn't be surprised if the reporters in the room start by asking for his reaction to the news of the former vice president, but you saw a little bit of a preview of what the press secretary was not able to say, being very careful not answering direct questions with any kinds of specifics referring instead to the white house counsel's office. we've seen president biden be very deliberate in what he has said. when he's commented on these matters, usually it's from a carefully crafted statement from

one of his attorneys. is he going to weigh in? hard to say. i could also see him just ignoring that, focusing on the matters at hand. it was just a couple of days ago that president biden did say he had no regrets on how this was handled. that there was no there there and just the next day, we later learned that was when a nearly 13-hour search took place of his wilmington residence that did uncover more classified material. >> thank you both very much for that reporting. chuck, let me have this conversation with you. when the former vice president mike pence came out and was asked about the issue of classified documents and whether he might have any. here's that. >> in indiana, did you take any classified documents with you from the white house? >> i did not. >> that links with what the

former vp's attorneys are saying. that anything that was taken happened inadvertently. do you think the doj should have put a special counsel in this case? >> look, frankly, i don't think they should have appointed a special counsel in any of these cases. i think the department of justice is perfectly capable of conducting complex, sensitive investigations involving the mishandling of classified information. let me be clear. i think there ought to be investigations. but do we need a special counsel to do yet another mishandling investigation? i don't think so. >> what about this issue of systemic issues potentially with the way the classified documents are handled inside the executive branch? what about the potential issue of overclassification for example? what say you on those fronts? >> i think of those as different things. there seems to be a systemic problem. i don't know that three means

systemic, but it's not a good trend. and at the -- >> even though it's three, chuck, it's the president, the former president, the former vice president. it's not like you know. >> well, it could be -- hundreds. but with three, it may not be systemic. but the best thing you can say for these three men is that somebody was incredibly sloppy and i find that really disappointing. with respect to overclassification, i think of that as a different issue. there is certainly overclassification within the intelligence community. not all that nefarious, by the way. if you're a bureaucrat trying to decide whether or not to classify something, you probably get in less trouble for overclassifying it than under. but you can't look at a document on its face know whether it's overclassified because you'd also have to know how the information was obtained. if it's obtained from a really sensitive source or a very

sophisticated technical penetration, then the information on its face may seem benign, but the document is properly classified at a very high level. so i think of those two things at being very different and without knowing what's in the documents or how the information was obtained, i don't think we can say now they're overclassified. may turn out to be the case, but we can't know that right now. >> what do you see as the doj's next most logical move here? >> i think they have to do an investigation to see whether anyone intentionally removed documents to mr. pence's home. just like they're doing in the trump and biden situations. may have been somebody else packing boxes without looking carefully at what they were packing. my guess is that pence and biden and trump when they were president and vice president respectively weren't cutting their own grass and so they're probably not packing their own boxes. there's still a mishandling

though and that's important because when you have a mishandling, you have to sort of prove a negative that this information didn't get into the wrong hands and there isn't something the intelligence community needs to unwind as a result. that's why the sloppiness is so disappointing. whether or not we see criminal cases remains to be determined. i wouldn't be shocked if we did not, but we have to do something about the sloppy mishandling. >> chuck, it's always great to have your expertise and perspective here on the show. thank you for being with us. coming up, out west to california where we are live at the scenes of two mass shootings that have left 18 people dead just days apart. the latest on those investigations. plus, our nbc news team confirming the biden administration is taking a big step to help ukraine. first, with the georgia prosecutor investigating former president trump and his allies just said about charging decisions and when they may come. that's in 60 seconds. stay with us. y come that's in 60 seconds

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a couple of things to tell you that are happening now in georgia. let's talk about the first with our nbc news team on the ground reporting that we do not expect a ruling today on whether or not a judge will release the report compiled by the fulton county grand jury. that's the grand jury that's been hearing evidence about possible crimes linked to 2020 election interference. the other headline, the prosecutor investigating president trump and his allies now says charging decisions could be imminent. the fulton county d.a. saying that today where she's arguing against the release of the grand jury report. a number of high profile names have gone in and testified. i want to bring in vaughn hillyard along with greg, atlanta constitution political reporter and msnbc political contributor. vaughn, let me start with you and the latest from inside the courtroom and where this goes

next. >> right, the headline coming out of this number one were words spoken by district attorney willis as it relates to pending potential charges that she may seek a grand jury to bring in the form of an indictment against the likes of donald trump or other allies and quote what she said, quote, decisions are imminent. now, the district attorney's office was making the case to the judge to keep this final report sealed. what is this report? this report is what the special grand jury, which was convened to investigation the allegations of efforts by donald trump and allies to overturn the election in 2020 in the state of georgia. it was their final product. essentially, the reams of evidence. we found out today that 75 different witnesses testified before the special grand jury and all this culminated into this final report that was completed earlier this month and then delivered to a judge who then delivered to a district

attorney. what is taking place now is that the district attorney is reviewing this very report as she weighs whether to seek indictments from a different grand jury. when she says that decisions are imminent, that would suggest that we could be days or weeks away, but coming out of this hearing today, the public, at least for now, is not going to see that underlying evidence as part of the report that she presently has in her hands to note donald trump did not have his attorneys inside the courtroom. they told me he was never asked to voluntarily comply and testify before this special grand jury and was never subpoenaed. so they they did not need to be at this hearing today, but you heard from multiple news organization. one particular lawyer who was representing those news organizations arguing this report, even before charges were to be brought, should be made public because it's in the public's interest, but for now, we may be days away from that. >> thank you very much. greg, let me turn to you about what you're hearing from your

sources in atlanta, in georgia, about what we heard from bonnie willis. >> vaughn's exactly right. decisions are imminent from the district attorney. she also suggested there will be defendants in the case, which means she could be preparing to bring an indictment in the next few days, weeks ahead. that is a very clear signal there could be a jury down the road and the judge sounded skeptical of the state's issue of the documents. he seemed to agree with some of the points that attorneys from the media made and even the fulton county prosecutors indicated that yes, this report in some form or fashion, will be produced. one attorney, one prosecutor from fulton county said it's a question of time. now is just not the time. >> let me play a piece of sound we have on that thing you're talking about.

>> you want to make sure everyone is treated fairly and we think for future defendants should be treated fairly it's not appropriate at this time for this report to be released. >> by the way, you're seeing her back there because we don't control the cameras in the courtroom. greg, she has laid out and you have laid out the reason why this would be a drawback for the prosecution if this report was out there. there's also as vaughn knows and alluded to, people who did not show up in court today. that is attorneys from team trump. >> also attorneys for other potential defendants. that was used by the media as a reason to bring the publish this report. they said look, if the attorneys for all these potential defendants weren't even here to argue, what is the takeaway, the detriment to publishing this document. >> thank you very much to both of you.

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california in the last few days. in monterey park, officials today are releasing the names of the 11 victims killed in saturday sharing they think the motive was personal in nation. then in half moon bay, seven

people are dead in what law enforcement calls an incident of workplace violence. the suspect arrested after he drove his car into a sheriff station parking lot and in oakland, one is dead and seven hurt after a shooting at a gas station. police say the people who have been injured are in stable condition. they're asking for help to find the shooter. joining us now are our reporters on the ground. jake ward in half moon bay, kathy park in monterey park, california. jake, initially, we didn't have a lot of details. that has changed throughout course of the day in this agricultural area in half moon bay. >> at this hour, we are beginning to piece together some new details about the suspect. the 67-year-old charged who's due to be arraigned tomorrow on this. according to new reporting from the "san francisco chronicle," back in 2013, a restraining order was filed against him by a co-worker at a restaurant near

here who said he physically threatened and assaulted him. that order was in fact put into place. was granted by a judge but is no longer in effect today. that said, officials here said there was no outward indication that he was dangerous. he had this legally purchased semiautomatic handgun, yes, but there wasn't otherwise. in fact, the vice mayor here in this town says that he knew the man as a worker here sort of as a neighbor, a friend, not quite a friend, but at least a member of the community. here's how he described that connection. >> we celebrated christmas with workers including the shooter. we brought gifts, food for them, for the celebration. i know the families, the children are being really affected by this. >> reporter: one of the most terrible details ss the fact

that vice mayor said members of his team were in fact here giving supplies to some of these workers the day before the shooting, or just before the shooting began yesterday. so then as you know, the shooting began here in this mushroom farm and four killed here. one terribly injured then the shooter seems to have driven himself to the next location. three people died there in total. one woman, seven men involved. just a terrible blow in this place where you smell the ocean and the smell of farms and all of this in paradise place. to see this here as the district attorney described it, this is the most horrible thing they've seen. they've never had a mass shooting of this scale. >> thank you. we should note by the way that president biden has just made some remarks about these california shootings. when we were able to play it for you, we will.

so kathy, if i have to interrupt, that's why. you are posted up further north of where jake is talking about the shooting in monterey park. talk to us about the potential motive here because there had been reporting about motive. before that, to the president who is speaking about this. >> devastating, the vice president's going to be going out, i've been talking with gavin, hilda soliz and are working out the number of things we can and are going to be doing. so bottom line here is that we've got a lot to talk about and yesterday, my buddy dianne feinstein introduced her senate weapon all the weapons ban. i'm asking you all to send that to my desk as quickly as you can. it's really needed badly.

and all of us are focused on working together to get things done. having said that, i thank the press for being here. talk to you later. [ shouting ] >> president biden not responding to shouted questions from the pool of reporters in the room, but you heard him make those remarks about his heavy heart about these shootings and his hopes for an assault weapons ban to be passed by congress. pragmatically, the realistic chances seem slim, kathy, as you are in one of the locations now where this state and country is reeling from yet another mass shooting in america. talk to the details here as we learn more, too, about the victims. who they are, what they were like.

>> reporter: so, initially you were asking me about a possible motive. keep in mind, the shooting happened saturday evening it's still unclear, but law enforcement sources say it's likely personal in matter based on evidence they've collected so far. they don't believe it's terrorism or a hate crime at this time, but obviously all angles are being covered. regardless of the motive, residents who i spoke with say that this attack felt personal. this happened during the lunar new year celebration which is one of the most important holidays for asian americans in this country and around the world. and you know, it was something that really struck one of the residents we spoke with. we had a chance to speak with him. he is an aapi leader. and he's also a resident here in monterey park. i asked him what's the impact this will have on this community. here's what he told me. >> do you think this shooting will change the community?

>> i think it has already. >> how so? >> this community is strong. our aapi community is strong, but you know as with every shootings, we've seen in america, which happen way too often, we've seen it change the fabric of the community. hopefully we're able to come together and be stronger but that is still something that is yet to be seen. >> reporter: and as this community begins the healing process, we know that a crisis center has been established here in this community that folks can turn to and behind me is the ballroom where this mass shooting took place and there is a growing memorial right at the entrance of this door, but while we have a few seconds, we want to mention this ballroom really is a critical part of this community. i was told it is a place where people can socialize, where people can learn how to ballroom dance. the night of the shooting, it

was packed. there were dozens of people inside. they were celebrating the lunar new year when the gunman entered and now it has been marked by tragedy. >> kathy park live in monterey park. thank you. jake ward, we appreciate your reporting from half moon bay. still ahead here on the show, in u nbc news reporting on the new step that the biden administration is taking to help ukraine after weeks of debate and some internal frustration. i'll go one-on-one with a member of the senate armed services committee. d services committee. i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i gotta good feeling about this, yeah ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ i'm with it ♪ ♪ i gotta good feeling about this ♪ ♪ yeah, ♪ ♪ so let's get it ♪

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significant news coing from our pentagon team. after weeks of back and forth and more international pressure, the biden administration has decided to send abrams tanks to ukraine, telling nbc news the white house plans to make this announcement official as early as tomorrow. about 50 of these american tanks. i want to bring in democratic senator tammy duckworth. senator, thank you very much for being back on the show. good to see you. >> good to be on. thank you. >> as you know, this tanks issue was not super clear cut from the perspective of the biden administration. we at nbc news had been reporting that both the defense secretary, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff were opposed about sending these tanks because of how long it

takes to train people to do them. because of maintenance for example. do you believe this is the right move from the biden administration? >> well, i think it is the right move to move forward along with our nato allies. i think once poland and germany decided they would commit to providing tanks that it's the right thing for us to do. as a member of that alliance to move forward with our abrams tanks. the most important is probably the leopard tank, which poland is already using anded they could begin training the ukrainians on immediately. the abrams tank is probably something that would be further down the road and if you want tanks that range in ukraine, the leopard tank is the one they're going to have to move forward with. >> let me ask you about the series of shootings in california. thest not just california. if you look back across the country, there have been more shootings than days of the year so far in 2023. 39 of them according to the gun

violence archive. it is only january 24th. we heard president biden a moment ago in a meeting with top democrats at the white house suggest that something like an assault weapons ban should make it through congress. pragmatically, what do you realistically see happening because there's moment of deja vu when people like me ask people like you this question. we can look at the past and see what has not happened in this instance. in a divided congress, is there any shot of meaningful legislation on this or do you believe it's better to focus your efforts elsewhere? >> i'm fully supportive of an assault weapons ban outright. also high capacity magazine. a common denominator is the presence of a high capacity magazine so both need to be banned. however, you raise a very good point. i do think there are things we can do as we fight for that ban. we could for example raise the age for owning an assault weapon

from 18 to 21. something that i was pushing hard for when we passed the arms act as we did last year. so there's something that we can do. we have closed a gun show loophole. we need to continue to do that. we can go ahead and ban the high capacity magazines. so yes, we need to be fighting for that assault weapons ban, but there are also smaller steps we can take as well. >> there has been a series of developments today as it relates to the handling of classified items. i'm sure you know former vice president mike pence now the latest administration official to have in his attorney's terms, inadvertently found a small number of these documents at his home in indiana. i wonder your reaction on that and your thoughts that perhaps it's a systemic problem given what we've seen with these three

leaders. different situations, but these three leaders. >> i am deeply concerned that there has been mishandling of classified documents. you know, as a soldier, if i had been caught with a classified document at home, we would have been in a lot of trouble and i think we certainly need to review what has happened here, which is why i support the independent investigators moving forward in both the case for president biden and former president trump. but i have to make it clear that there's a difference here between intent. i think that in the case of president biden and vice president pence, there was not an intent to hide these documents as there was with president trump. which is why i think it's important that the independent investigators move forward then i think overall, we need to review how the executive branch is handling such sensitive equipment. >> would you support an investigation into mr. pence as well? >> yes, as long as it's independent. >> and do you believe the white house is handling this, i'm

asking you this because it's a democrat and it's a democrat in the white house. do you believe the white house and president have handled this appropriately as it relates to transparency. for example. having revealed some details about this. >> yes, i think they're the ones who brought it forward and they are the ones who went looking for it and they're bringing the documents and turning them in. similarly, vice president pence has done the same thing as well. so i'm glad they're showing that they are coming forward and to outright say hey, we found these documents. we're turning them in. very different from what president trump did, which was he actively tried to hide and conceal the documents from investigators. >> one more and i want to get slightly political here because democratic congressman guyago announced he's going to be challenging sinema this cycle. have you given thought to who you'd like to serve with in this

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>> mr. mickelson? >> yes, sir. without a doubt. >> miss braddish. >> it's certainly acting like a monopoly. >> ali vitali and taylor swift megafan is joining us. she's been following this. that question from senator cruise gets to the heart of what this is about. is it a monopoly? it has changed the landscape of the way the vast majority of people getting tickets to big events. the president of live nation which owns ticketmaster has blamed the whole swift thing on bots. this issue that does exist. scalpers that get tickets and try to resell them. give us the vibe check in the room. >> it was hardly a love story between lawmakers and the head of ticketmaster. >> you did it. make it your only one. >> i don't know that it can be because if you're up here and you were watching, the senators took on the bad blood of swiftties and consumers as they were mad about the way they

dealt with the situation, but wasn't their only focus here. they were trying as you saw senator cruz there, to make the argument this was a monopoly. senator klobuchar put it this way. watch. >> this is all a definition of monopoly because live nation is so powerful it doesn't even need to kpers pressure. it doesn't need to threaten because people just fall in line. >> and look, one of the points that klobuchar made and one of the explorations during this hearing was the idea it's not just the primary market that live nation and ticketmaster have a lot of control over, but also some of the secondary markets, too. so that was one of the main topics that senators focused on here. ticketmaster though came ready for it. they were prepared to defend their reputation and they also came with some suggestions on how they think the system can change. i'll pull up some bullet points on the screen. they said they want better enforcement of anti-bot

legislation, banning deceptive selling but also putting more transparency around pricing so fans can see the full cost of their tickets at the start. it's unclear that bipartisanship is very delicate here. unclear in the afterglow if we're going to see anything legislatively, but congress is considering what the role is of this massive organization in the music industry and bringing it here to capitol hill. >> what's also interesting is this is not the first time that ticketmaster has been in the hot seat on the hill. i think back to some of our viewers may not be able to remember this, pearl jam testifying on the hill, for example. >> yeah. pearl jam, other artists, harry styles, bruce springsteen. this is not just a taylor swift problem. and for amy klobuchar, she said this is an opportunity brought on by the publicity of what happened around taylor swift's tour. but actually something that they've been trying to focus on in congress for a while. >> all right.

thank you. will you be seeing taylor swift in tour? >> i didn't do well in the concert ticket fiasco. thank you for reminding me. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. to a new twist in the saga over the fire festival. infamous, right, infamous scandal that left thousands of people who were expect being a luxury festival to the bahamas stranded on the island in tents. fresh off four years in prison, the founder is now trying to make a comeback with a new venture, some former employees already sounding the alarm on that. here is stephen roma with more. >> reporter: the man behind the infamous fire festival, billy mcfarland -- >> biggest event in decade. >> i'll be there. >> reporter: yes, that guy. who promised thousands a weekend in the bahamas with the rich and the famous but instead left them sleeping in tents and eating processed cheese, well, he's back. >> it's a little crazier but a whole lot bigger than anything i

ever tried before. >> after spending four years in prison, mcfarland has a new venture. >> we're hiring. the bad news, our budget is super low. super high risk, and there are millions of people throughout fighting every day to stop us. >> pyrt. it is described as a worldwide treasure hunt for 99 messages in a bottle. >> you have 48 hours to find it. >> once they're found, winners join a larger scale treasure hunt. >> so they'll all one kind of one term short term experience and then join the fire crew and part of the larger crew announced in the future. >> he told nbc news that the short term experiences so far include things like zero gravity flights around manhattan and, you guessed it, a trip to the bahamas. >> grab your bottle. now we hit and go on the lake. >> but some of his former employees are sounding the alarm. one telling nbc news, quote, the

similarities are there around the vague mysterious promotion. adding, pyrt appears to be an exercise in smoke and mirrors buzz words and empty promises of lavish trips to the bahamas. empty promises six years ago that first made mcfarland and the festival a household name. >> they're calling it fest federal fraud. >> the fire music festival. >> nightmare of wet tents, a total disaster. >> spear headed by mcfarland was supposed to be the next concert for the elite. >> exclusivive ti with access to premier talent. >> it is going to be an experience. bordering on impossible. >> roughly 5,000 people spent up to tens of thousands of dollars for a promised real life island fantasy. >> 48 hours. >> they sold out. >> promoted heavily to millennials on social media and getting endorsementes from celebrities like kendall jenner

and haley bieber. but that turned into a disaster. once attendees actually started to arrive. >> the festival he coulders were met with an unfinished site, forced to sleep in fema tents. the food, supposed to be provided by celebrity chefs but turned out to be just slices of cheese on bread. lead performers backed out and planes of festival goers turned way before they even took off. >> we have been advised by fire, the tour operator of your flight that they can no longer accept any further guests in zuma. >> the whole fiasco going viral. >> organizers said we thought we were ready but then everyone arrived. the team was overwhelmed. >> all leading to mcfarland's guilty plea on wire fraud charges related to the festival and a six year jail sentence. now with his early release, mcfarland's eyes are on a new island get away. >> pyrt is not just about the

bahamas, we're open and seeking other partnerships. >> he is not allowed back to the island nations. the prime minister issuing a statement to nbc news saying, quote, he's considered to be a fugitive with several pending complaints made against him with the royal bahamas police force. anyone knowing of his whereabouts should report same to the rpbf. he hopes he can go back there but also make a comeback after a spectacular fall from grace. now responding to criticism of his latest adventure, mcfarland tells nbc news that this will not be a repeat of the fire festival because he says he hasn't made any promises to investors or partners and he says this time around he's not rushing things. back to you. >> our thanks to stephen roma for that report. that does it for this hour of msnbc. you can find us on twitter and

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