tonight on "the reidout" -- >> so look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes. which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> donald trump calls it a perfect call, but it could very well lead to a perfect indictment as the wheels of justice begin to move quicker for trump and insurrectionists who tried to overturb the election. >> also, the easy access to weapons, the common thread in

america's gun violence epidemic. >> plus, ruben gallego joins me here in the studio as he launches his bid to evict conservative former democrat kyrsten sinema from the senate. >> and the latest from the devolder files. george santos claims to have been mugged on one of the busiest and fanciest avenues. >> when it comes to the january 6th assault on the capitol and the attempt to subvert our democracy, the wheels of justice are indeed actually turning. in the two years since the insurrection, the department of justice has made more than 950 arrests. nearly 500 of those people have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges. at least 40 have been found guilty at contested trials. just yesterday, four members of the extremist group the oath keepers were found guilty of the most serious charge lobbed in

the attack, seditious conspiracy. this follows november's conviction of two other oath keepers including the group's leader, elmer stewart rhodes under the same charge. and right now, five members of the proud boys including its former leader, enrique tarrio, are facing seditious conspiracy trials in their own trial that is currently under way. also, this man, richard barnett, famously seen propping his feet up in a desk in the office of then speaker nancy pelosi during the insurrection was found guilty on all eight counts against him, including felony charges of civil disorder and obstruction of an official proceeding. he could face up to 20 years in prison. add to that list three active duty marines assigned to intelligence related jobs who were charged last week with participating in the attack, with court records showing that one of the marines said that he was waiting for a second civil war.

all this to say especially with the oath keeper convictions that the doj believes there was a conspiracy to overthrow the government, and they are winning convictions. and remember, it is not just the doj that is investigating the attempts to overturn the 2020 election. in georgia, fultzen county district attorney fani willis is looking into whether donald trump and his lackeys committed any crimes in that state, and today, a superior court judge heard argues over when the grand jury's extensive report should be made public. willis noted to the judge decisions on whom to charge in the probe are imminent. the great question still left unanswered is what if anything will happen to the man at the center of this conspiracy. it was trump who told everyone to come on january 6th because it was going to be wild. it was his former adviser who said all hell will break loose that day. and we heard from cassidy

hutchinson during the january 6th hearings about trump's lack of concern that the people he called on to march to the capitol were armed. >> i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of i don't f'ing care they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me. take the f'ing mags away. let me people in. >> it wouldn't be the first time trump would have others commit a crime and go to jail on his behalf while he walks free. just ask his former personal lawyer, michael cohen. who bribed a porn star to keep quiet about an alleged affair. cohen spent nearly 14 months in prison while individual one was in the clear on his golf course. so now, while hundreds of these insurrectionists are seeing their lives ruined as a result of blindly following after trump, not only is he just hanging around his private golf clubs but trump is also presently a candidate for the very office he tried to steal

just two years ago. hashtag america. joining me now is jason johnson, professor of journalism and politics at morgan state university, msnbc contributor and. and glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. glenn, we miss you at the table so i'm going to go to you first. i think jason and i are of the cynical -- we are of the same kind of cynical mentality about trump, and the michael cohen case is what kind of teaches me what to expect. because michael cohen was convicted of committing a crime. he committed that crime not for himself, not because he had an affair with stormy daniels, but because donald trump did. and he paid money that he took out of his account and that trump reimbursed him for, because trump wanted to cover that up, not him. he's the only one who paid for that crime. so it seems to me that these one might say fools who threw their

lives away, we're talking about a 68-year-old ob/gyn from massachusetts, three active duty marines, a guy who had a job for ten months and now lost all of his family. you can go through it. a real estate agent. all these people are facing a few month to maybe years in prison. but trump, it seems to me, has the protection of merrick garland, who i assume doesn't have whatever it is it takes to indict him. what do you think? >> joy, your lead-in is so disheartening because there's so much crime and so little accountability. what it comes to donald trump and his criminal associates because he didn't accomplish january 6th by himself, and thus far, only the boots of the insurrection, only his foot soldiers who he ordered to attack the capitol and stop the steal are being held accountable. none of the suits of the insurrection, the hierarchy of the insurrection, the people of

privilege and influence, none of them have been held accountable, but joy, little bit of a silver lining today. enter district attorney fani willis. we can move away from merrick garland for the moment because i'll tell you, what i heard her say today, and she is a very sober, measured, determined prosecutor. and i heard her use two words that frankly got my justice juices flowing. i want to quote her precisely because here's what she said. she said, we think for future defendants, plural, to be treated fairly, it's not appropriate at this time to have the grand jury report released, and then she said my second favorite word, that charging decisions are imminent. and god bless fani willis. we all know, she has been thoroughly aggressively, quietly sawing the justice wood in front of her. we learned today that she put 75

witnesses before the special grand jury, including people who desperately did not want to testify about donald trump's crimes. people like rudy giuliani and mike flynn, lindsey graham, they all ran to court, please don't make me testify, and fani willis beat every one and put them in the grand jury and forced them to testify. and today, she said we don't want the grand jury report released because that would impact defendants plural right to a fair trial. she didn't use that word recklessly or cavalierly. she's contemplating based on what we learned today, returning indictments against whoever it is the special grand jury recommended to be indicted and she said we're going to do it imminently. defendants and imminently are two words that i think we can hold fast to right now. >> and that's, i think, listen, glenn kirschner is always one to talk me down, so it is sort of ironic that it may come down to

the black prosecutor in georgia. >> isn't it always? doesn't it always end up falling on the shoulders -- >> a black woman's work is never done. >> never done. >> the thing is, because she also does have a very clean case. donald trump is the one who said listen, i'm going to need 11,786 votes. i'm going to need it. he said it on the phone. so it seems very straightforward, right? so talk about fani willis a little bit and what might be the impediments to her doing what it seems merrick garland might be afraid to. >> first off, she's got to still make the case. she can talk about imminent, whatever it is, you still have to win. and then what are the consequences going to be? there are variations to how you can be held accountable for attempting to tamper with an election. you can get fined. you can have short jail time. you can be suspended from running for office again. i don't care about small things. i want to see people go to jail. i am tired of corner boys being arrested while stringer and avon are still hanging out, bought

that's essentially what's going on now. whether or not it's donald trump or marjorie taylor greene or jim jordan, there are members of congress who are part of this as well, who haven't been held accountable. i believe in fani, i believe in what she's doing. until i see orange is the new trump, until i see somebody in a jumpsuit, i'm not convinced any of this is accomplishing anything. it was bad enough that merrick garland dragged all this time out until republicans took congress, now we're depending on local state prosecutors to take down a former president. never going to happen. >> the thing about it is, glenn, is look, i'm not saying that merrick garland isn't thinking it through or fani willis hasn't thought it threw. i think they are. here's the challenge. it's obvious that donald trump is the sole beneficiary of the attempted insurrection. i don't think anybody argues with that, but they also, everyone acting here knows that he still commands what amounts to militias, armed militias who

are very clear about the fact that they are willing to be incredibly violent to protect him and they'll protect him at all costs, including going to prison for him. so i think -- do you think the justice department or that fani willis has to look at it in that lens? we're not just facing a politician. you're facing really an insurrection movement that to jason's point is now in charge of the house of representatives? >> i don't think any prosecutor worth his or her salt looks at the collateral consequences of bringing a righteous prosecution and makes their prosecutorial decision based on those extraneous factors, based on how others might react if you bring a case that is supported by the evidence. and you know, why i have such a huge concern about right now, even if donald trump does end up being indicted for the

insurrection, and and still believe he will and must if we are to save our democracy. we have all heard the phrase justice delayed is justice denied. justice has been delayed. i hope it's not entirely denied. during the two-year period, joy, what message has the department of justice sent to the next wanna be dictator who might try to overthrow our government? when you do it, we're going to give you a full two years to figure out what your next move is. boy, that is the opposite of promptly deterring criminal conduct. >> and you can hold on to classified documents for all of that time. >> here's the thing, and glenn, you know i love you, but here's the thing. what he just described is exactly what merrick garland has done. he's said no prosecutor worth their salt allows larger political -- that's what merrick garland has been doing. he said i don't want to look

unfair. i don't want this to appear to be partisan. i don't want to do this while somebody is running for office. we have seen that going on. my concern is there's so much concern about appearing to be fair, no one is concerned about the fairness to everyone else in the country that we're having our country takeben over by people who will do it illegally or by violence. if you're talking about the danger, it's not just danger to democracy. it's danger to the men and women bringing these cases. we saw in the january 6th hearings last summer that you saw local election workers who had death threats, who had to leave their homes and everything else like that. what kind of protection does fani willis have? is brian kemp going to keep her safe? is brad raffensperger going to keep her safe? these are very realistic concerns. we have mass shooters in this country who do things because they're mad about their wives. what do you think trump's people will do? >> and it does show you what the incentive structure is to behave in a way that says, we're violent. when you have a political party that advertises in its political

ads, look at these guns i got. want to see the guns my kids have? they all can shoot you and they advertise themselves as a violent political movement and they're gettal coddles which is the opposite of what you want to do. jason johnson and glenn kirschner, thank you both very much. >> coming up, after the latest round of mass shootings our country continues to ignore the one logical thing we could do about it. i wonder what that is? thinking, thinking. "the reidout" continues after this. ♪♪ over the last 100 years, lincoln's witnessed a good bit of history. even made some themselves. makes you wonder... what will they do for an encore? ♪♪ lomita feed is 101 years old this year and counting.

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if you are like me, you woke up this morning looking to learn more about the innocent victims of the monterey park shooting in southern california only to discover yet another mass shooting has taken place in northern california. monday afternoon, a 66-year-old man opened fire at two rural farms about a mile apart. shooting some of the victims in front of children who lived nearby. he left seven innocent victims in his wake. that wasn't the only mass shooting in the area. earlier in the evening at a gas station in oakland, at least one person was shot and seven others were wounded. now, let me be clear. this was the second mass shooting in the bay area, and the third mass shooting in california in three days. the san mateo county board president said the quiet part out loud. >> this is a horrific event. one we would never imagine would happen in san mateo county.

in the end, there are simply too many guns in the country and there has to be a change. >> california governor gavin newsom had been visiting victims of the monterey park shooting when he said he got a call about the monday night shooting. hours earlier, he slammed our inability to address this epidemic head on. >> weapons of pure mass destruction. the fact that is not being addressed in this country is comical. it's disgraceful. it's offensive to the senses, to common sense, to dignity. you claim to care about your kids? we were just talking, number one killer, number one killer of our kids last year was guns. what the hell is wrong with us? >> we're only three weeks into 2023 and we have already had 40 mass shootings. only in america. joining me now is eugene robinson, columnist at "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst. so great to see you here in person. >> great to see you, joy. welcome to washington. >> despite the circumstances

that we're going to talk about. yes, i live being here. the thing about mass shootings is that they are so uniquely american. if you compare us to england or australia and you look at the shootings per capita, we dwarf -- >> any other developed country. we're 25 plus times as many gun violence deaths. >> and more guns. >> more guns. we have 334 million people in this country and 393 million guns. so we have 1.2 guns per person, which is insane, which is insane. that's the difference. that's what separates us. if mental illness everywhere, workplace grievances. >> video games. >> person grudges, you name it. all the dysfunction we have, the one difference is that here, hey, i want a gun. i want another gun. it's easier to buy a gun than almost anything else. >> to rent a car. you think about it, it's not just the fact that we have so

many guns. the only country even close to us is yemen, which is currently in a civil war. there's no other country even close. no western country even close. it's also the psychology of it. i have never seen other than like mogadishu in the '90s, adults ride around and children with them holding guns and brandishing them. those were war lords in the middle of a civil war. >> exactly. >> our politicians do that on their christmas cards. it's cultural. >> cultural, and it's a cult. and it's a cult worship of firearms. and you know, i think we're even past the point where we can blame it all on the national rifle association, which has seen, you know, its glory days as an organization. still gives money to politicians, it still has political power, but a majority of nra members would support universal background checks. for any gun purchase. would be happy to consider

banning assault weapons and understand perfectly well that, yes, you can tell what an assault weapon is and you can tell what should be banned and what maybe shouldn't. so it's not just that. it's this cult worship, this article of faith among certainly on the right wing that everybody has to have guns. >> yeah, and the thing is, kevin mccarthy is from california obviously, he finally got his precious, he's the speaker, asking questions about things. he was asked about it today and basically said, california has strong gun laws. yeah, california has strong gun laws but it's near states that have weak gun laws and people bring them to california. >> your gun laws are only as strong as the gun laws of the state with the weakest gun laws. basically, because you just go someplace else, buy the gun and bring it back to california. california has very strong laws but they can't keep out all the guns people buy in arizona. >> the reality is if you compare

california to a place like mississippi or louisiana or wyoming or alabama, the states with the highest gun deaths per capita, the states where people are really dying, it's all these red states. it's missouri, mississippi, louisiana. california actually has the seventh lowest firearm mortality rate in the country. hawaii is number one. it's like you literally -- it's like with whether you're as a woman have the right over your own body. we live in two americas. even in california in the america that's trying, they're basically subject to the law of the gun in all of the neighboring states. >> they are, and so that's why we need a national solution. and we cannot break this logjam, this deadlock in washington that goes against public opinion, that goes against the nation's obvious needs. and that permits this carnage, this carnage day after day, year after year. mass shooting, 40 mass shootings in the first month of the year.

it's just -- it's obscene. >> there's no other country where you go to the store and worry about getting shot. it does not happen anywhere else. >> absolutely not. i'll tell you, a bad guy with a knife is really bad. but nothing like a bad guy with an ar-15. >> there you go. eugene robinson, always a pleasure. so good to see you. >> all right, still ahead -- >> if you're more likely to be meeting with the powerful than the powerless, you're doing this job incorrectly. >> arizona congressman ruben gallego joins me on his decision to challenge kyrsten sinema for her senate seat and how he plans to defeat her in a potential three-way race. just after this quick break. shingles. the rash can feel like pulsing, electric shocks and last for weeks. a pain so intense, you could miss out on family time. the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside of you. 50 years or older? ask your doctor about shingles.

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. arizonians who voted for democrat kyrsten sinema in 2018 are plenty fed up with the now independent senator sinema. especially the progressive and latino activists who worked tirelessly to get her elected. "the new york times" snoeted progressives were wary of sinema in 2018, but they held their noses to turb out support for her. she has done little to reward their efforts, including her theatrical thumbs down to increasing the federal minimum wage to $15. there was also her opposition to allow medicare to negotiate

lower drug prices, gifts to private equity with private loopholes and her intractable support for the senate filibuster, which has made her ripe for a democratic challenger and she has a formidable one, democratic challenger ruben gallego. >> growing up poor, the only thing i had was the american dream. an opportunity, the one thing we give every american, no matter where they're born in life. the rich and the powerful, they don't need more advocates. it's the people that are still trying to decide between groceries and utilities that needs a fighter for them. there is no lobbyist for working families. >> joining me now is arizona democratic congressman ruben gallego who just announced he is running for the united states senate. great to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> a lot of democrats have a bit of heart burn about the idea of a three-was race. we know arizona has a very large

latino vote and growing. that's good for democrats, good for you. but how do you actually carve out in a state that's basically one third independent, one third democrat, one third republican but democrats are the smallest. how do you win? >> we have to understand kyrsten sinema is not popular with anybody. she's not winning democrats, independents, or republicans. the last poll we had, she was like 12%. what we have to do is do our job, talk about our values, connect with arizona voters, build that trust that kirsten has lost. and we're going to be able to hold the democratic vote, and that includes independents and republicans that have voted for democrats. number two, we're going to reach out to latinos. we're going to actually talk to them about what they want to see in government. a lot of times that's not happened in arizona. i'm proud i have been able to lead that in my district, proud i have been able to turn out latinos all across the country. and we're going to do that because i think number one, they're ready to turn out. number two, i have an opportunity to talk to a lot of

them that they have never seen a candidate this way. there aren't many routino politicians that come from working class backgrounds that also speak spanish, that understand the full spectrum of what latinos are dealing with right now, and i'm going to be able to talk to them about that and i think we'll be able to motivate them to come out. >> we were talking before the break about how years and years ago, howard dean and the 50-state strategy. the idea among a lot of democrats was arizona was eventually going to be a great place for democrats to operate because of the demographics. and you talk a lot about latino voters. i feel like the party still doesn't quite understand how to speak to latino voters, to be honest with you. they make a lot of assumptions. >> yes, absolutely. >> that are want necessarily so. your thinking is you can shift that but also pull enough anglo voters to get -- because you have to get 50 plus, you know, it's a third. >> i know because i have done it. i have worked on different campaigns, and also i understand the latino community.

this is where i live. this is who i have been. latinos are working class, they're aspirational. they want to live the american dream. i want to make sure every american, whether they are latino, black, white, working class, i want to make sure they have the same opportunity. if we talk to them about that, we talk about how we're going to invest in them, they're going to come out and vote. what happens a lot of times is because they don't vote, because they're not politically involved, we don't even try talking to them, as if they don't deserve representation. but they do. anybody else in this country, maybe they're not politically powerful, maybe they don't vote all the time. they still deserve representation, someone caring about them and talking about them and fighting for them. >> jahan jones, he wrote a piece that i thought was illuminating for me that kyrsten sinema's opposition to the voting rights bill seems quite self-serving. it helps her if you don't make it easier to vote. young voters, voters of color, that makes it harder for them, that's good for her. what do you make of her big shift. she claimed to be friends with

john lewis. she made all these claims that there's no backup for it, but now she's thumbs upping and high fiving in davos about killing voting rights. who is she and how did she get this way? >> i doubt think she voted against voting rights because she had a cynical ploy to keep her in office. in my opinion, it's worse than that. she did it to curry favor with the powerful, the rich, and the republicans. this is her way to show she's -- it's her way of sticking it to the democrats. and you know, for me, i worked with john lewis. john lewis came out and campaigned for me for my first congressional race. i don't consider him a friend, i consider him a mentor because he taught a lot of us younger politicians how to be good leaders, how to be good leader servants. for you to say, like she did for many years that this man was my friend, he was my mentor, and

when you vote against his key legislative, you know, bill -- >> it's named after him. >> named after him. in order to appease some people that want to actually suppress voter rights, it just tells you where they are. she's for sale. and that's the worst thing you could be in politics. >> i would need to see some evidence from the family that they were friends. i'm just saying. i'm not saying she's lying but i need to see evidence. congressman ruben gallego, best of luck to you. thank you for coming on. >> up next, you may think what ron desantis is doing to florida schools is unprecedented, but that's not exactly true. i'll explain right after this.

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between 1869 and the 1960s, hundreds of thousands of native american children were forcibly removed from their homes and placed in boarding schools operated by the federal government. the children were punished for speaking their native languages. their names were changed and their hair cut off. they were forced to study only english and convert to christianity. this brutal came pain was a form of cultural genocide, and though this is an extreme example, america's practice of forced assimilation continues today. like in florida where ron desantis is banning education about any part of history that

might make white christians feel bad. his education department has even rejected an advanced placement course covering african american studies. it's a pot calling the kettle black situation because it's actually educational erasure that indoctriates children, children of color, who are the majority now, are taught nothing about themselves. instead, they're force fed lessons that only serve to lyonize white heterosexual christian men. they offer these young minds little choice but to assimilate into mainstream, ie white culture. this country has a history of that. also on the chopping block is intersectional knowledge, the idea that overlapping identities create unique dynamics and forms of oppression or discrimination, which is why desantis singled out the work of kimberly crenshaw, the scholar who coined the term intersectionality more than 30 years ago.

on monday, desantis made it clear he could use a course on what intersectionality even means. >> this course on black history, what is one of the lessons about? queer theory. now, who would say that an important part of black history is queer theory? that is somebody pushing an agenda on our kids. >> joining me now is kimberly crenshaw, executive director of the african american policy forum as well as a law professor and host of intersectionality matters podcast. i laugh but it isn't funny. could you answer the governor's question? >> he needs queer theory, joy. he needs intersectionality, he needs black feminism. you can tell the things he needs because those are the things that he most wants to eliminate from the a.p. african studies course. look, the reality is that if you

have a view of history that says that what happened in the constitution, what happened with respect to enslavement, what happened with respect to indigenous dispossession is as much a part of the story as the celebratory story that's told about 1776, that's told about manifest destiny, that's told about world war i, world war ii. you cannot do those histories without incorporating all of it. and that's effectively what he is saying doesn't matter. can you imagine, can you imagine someone saying that european studies or western civilizations has no inherent value whatsoever? what message is that giving to black children? what message is it giving to americans? what message is it giving to the hundreds of scholars, black scholars, people who have knowledge that they passed on

and those who are writing and thinking today, what message is that but that you don't count, your story doesn't count, your children don't count. and in the end, we can count you out of this democracy. >> you know, i find it funny that he says, what's the value there? how do you talk about baird rusten in an american history class or african american history class without talking about the fact he was a gay man in an awkward situation being the chief aide to dr. king. how do you talk about james baldwin, which his books are probably all banned in florida schools, let's be clear, are dealing with himself as a gay man. you can't do belle hooks, they already said you can't read that. you're talking about aurtauthoru can't read. you can't talk about stonewall, marsha p. jackson, a queer woman, led it. you can only talk about history if you rinse the race out of it and say some people enslaved, some people, we don't know who

those people are. >> exactly, and we can include audrey lord, you don't get a chance to talk about her, who is also being named. you don't even get a chance to talk about the histories we're supposed to talk about. how can you talk about enslavement if you can't talk about what that meant for black women? who are largely responsible for creating the property upon which this country was built. how do you talk even about you're supposed to talk about the holocaust. you can't talk about the holocaust without talking about how many of the ideas that hitler enacted he borrowed from the united states. there's just a whole range of histories that are not being told. and here's the reason. this isn't about debates about the past. this is about debates about the present. this is a reaction to 2020. this is a reaction to new generations saying we care about equality in this country, we care about structural racism. we want to understand why 50 years after brown v. board, we

still have schools that are more segregated than that time. we still have inequalities in health and wealth and all sorts of disparities. they want to understand the now, and you cannot understand the now by erasing the past. and that's why desantis wants to do it. here's the last thing, joy. it's important for readers and viewers to know that this isn't a one-time, one-place problem. this is a part of a campaign that has been made up, a moral panic that has spread across the country, 42 states have tried to introduce some kind of a memory law to limit how we think and talk about our past. so democrats need to wake up. people who care about our democracy need to wake up. this is going to be what the upcoming presidential campaign is all going to be about. >> 100% about. this is the new daughters of the confederacy. these people lot the culture wars, they lost young white children who are curious and empathetic about other people

and they're trying to force them, lock them in their school houses and they want them back. we're going to ban books, we're going to strip you of knowledge, lock you in the school house with maybe you can just read the first -- just the old testament in the bible and nothing else. because they can't get them back any other way. kimberly crenshaw, dr. kimberly crenshaw, thank you very much. up next, the dubious claims from congressman george santos keep on coming. latest head scratchers after this. this... is a glimpse into the no-too-distant future of lincoln. ♪ ♪ it's what sanctuary could look like... feel like... sound like... even smell like. more on that soon. ♪ ♪ the best part? the prequel is pretty sweet too. ♪ ♪ lomita feed is 101 years old. when covid hit, we had some challenges.

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have been telling more farcical stories. this time, in an interview for a brazilian podcast, heard exclusively with the great rachel maddow. the interview conducted in portuguese started with santa saying, he survived an assassination attempt. >> [speaking non-english] >> i've experienced vandalism, survived an assassination attempt, have police escorted me. policing detection -- police corps for not being elected yet? that's not the only absurd claim he's made. >> [speaking non-english]

>> and you can see myths that, there are black, white, they still my shoes. they still have issues in the middle of fifth avenue? let me show you with that safe intersection in baton, 55th and fifth looks like. you have fancy clothing,

jewelry stores and a church. rachel's team has reached out desantis for evidence of all these claims and put a request into nypd of a police report of the incident, and they never heard back. joining me now is the columnist for msnbc daily and author of, go back where you come from, another helpful recommendations how to be american. at a certain point, he should just say he superman. >> that's right, george santos, batman, the third man on the moon, the former man president of estonia. we laugh, because this man has lied about being jewish, his mother dying during 9/11, lied about his financial background, lied about his financial background but really icy, he's right where he belongs, across the street in congress with the gop because why could he not lie, joy? the head of the gop is still donald trump, a man who is twice impeached, led a violent

insurrection, and alike, nobody is perfect. george santos can do anything he wants. >> donald trump said he was's class in high school and graduated from or in business school for at the top of his class. he said he was a billionaire for years. he wrote in his famous book about the r of the deal -- >> which he did not write. >> that he was swedish and german. i don't really see a huge material difference between santos and him. >> that's the problem because in addition to these lies, there are also election financial crimes. he's under federal and local campaign investigation. even two hours ago, another lie, that personal loan amid former campaign, what $5, 000, it was not a personal loan. so where did that money come from? this is the character of the gop, why kevin mccarthy says, innocent until proven guilty. i need your vote, george santos, if that is your name. he's right there across the street in congress.

why should he resign? >> dream with me, what happens if he gets indicted? first of all, kevin mccarthy will be doubled over crying in a corner because he is only like four votes away from getting voted up by one guy. what happens if you get indicted, anything? >> i think it is never fun and marjorie taylor greene whips him and says, of another. too soon? my bad. this is a party that supports a violent insurrection. this is a party that supports the oath keepers, proud boys, supports violent extremist conspiracy theories don't have radicalized individuals commit violence. why would they not accept george santos? what is really hypocritical t and paint me and angers me is that the perfectly fine buttered settles doing drag, but they're attacking lgbtq communities. >> they were fine with donald trump and rudy giuliani doing drag -- >> we can talk about the cocaine and sex parties.

>> it's a county or, the perfectly fine with kanye. >> don't go for hitler. >> for hitler's when you have to -- >> at the same time, they are kind of republican, because they were on pox news with tucker carlson. they knew everything that he thought. it is a party without limits. it's a party without any bottom whatsoever. what is so shameful about this is that george santos represents the party, the white ring extremism, where there is no roddie or ethics. even his fellow republicans in nassau county said, please resign. but kevin mccarthy, speaker of the house as, he's my guy. >> the thing is when trump has establish more than anything else is that you never apologize or resign. you never go away. he never has to, and i don't see the incentive for him doing it. he could be there for two years, and we'll have a news fanciful claims every day. >> it's like conservative music, it never gets old.

>> i await the pictures of him on the moon. the real moon landing scandal is not that data not land on the moon, it's that george santos did a. >> my bad, i said he was the third, my biologist, he was the first. >> he was actually the only man ever going to the moon. >> in drag, doing it for fun. >> he will be played on snl, the best part of george santos, the whole thing is that a son has now returned to us because that is literally the best place he is. >> he's a walking caricature but unfortunately, he's a congressman. he's a congressman sitting across the street in u.s. congress representing this district and even though half of the republicans want him to resign, he won't, because he knows kevin mccarthy needs his vote. again, if donald trump is still the number one leader of maga, why should i resign? >> the last question i have to ask you is, i think the real story about george santos is really a box of mccarthy, his lack of moral authority. i think a real speaker and

nancy pelosi star speaker can actually drive out and a person number like that. i don't think he is the power to do that. >> his owned by marjorie taylor greene, who is now has a committee's -- just last month set, if i let it, and it was armed, we'd be successful. >> she basically admitted that she's his boss. it's great to see you, thank you for being here. all in with chris hayes starts right now. r being here all in with >>chris ha tonight . >> did you take any classified documents before the white house? >> i did not. >> former vice president pence revises his remarks a little too late to say pundit mike pence. >> if we have a special counsel review of classified materials that were found at mar-a-lago, we need to have a special counsel in this case. >> tonight new reporting on what pence turned over to the fbi, what it means into the investigation of his