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>> thanks to all of you at home for joining, us we have a lot to get to tonight. i want to start on december 14th 2020, a day we should not particularly remember. it was supposed to be a routine, day a boring day for state electors across the country as they officially cast their presidential votes. as we know very well, that was not the case in some states, including the state of georgia. >> democratic party electors, they're in the senate chambers, they are official, they are, certified and they vote for joe biden, but, georgia republicans, they met at exactly the same time right behind those closed doors, we're not, official not, certified they still met and certified on a, trump they say to keep his -- lawsuit alive. >> even as democratic parties remaining in the georgia state senate for the first time in 28 years to select a democratic president and vice president, one floor below at the state capital, georgia republicans were convening their own meeting to select their own

electors, voters who voted for donald trump. >> the 16 fake trump electors from georgia meeting in the state capital, fraudulently. that scheme, in addition to catching the attention of the department of justice, it also caught the attention of one prosecutor in georgia, her name is fani willis. she is the fulton county district attorney in atlanta. miss willis was one month into the job when she announced that she was opening an investigation into the multipronged effort to subvert georgia's election results. ahead of the republican national committee, we're gonna testify to the january six committee that, in mid december of 2020, president trump asked for her help with the fake electors plot. that points to not only trump's knowledge of the scheme, but also his direct involvement in it. another bombshell piece of evidence that also caught the

attention of the dea? the infamous january 2021 phone call between donald trump and georgia's secretary of state, brad raffensperger. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state, and flipping the state is a great testament to our country. >> i don't think you can overstate the importance of that call in terms of the evidence that fani willis is dealing with. she has, on tape, the sitting president of the united states calling the elections chief in a swing state that he lost, asking that official to find exact number of votes, 11, 780, that would flip the results in his favor. that is too severely understated, that is not good. trump, today, for reasons we will get into in a moment, said that call was a perfect call, in all caps, not once, not twice, but three times. in addition to calling in pressuring the georgia secretary of state to overturn the election, trump also did the same with the georgia governor brian kemp, and with the state investigator, and georgia secretary of state's

office. trump basically forced the u. s. attorney in atlanta to resign for not doing his bidding for him. now, back when she launched the investigation in february of 2021, fulton county a funny willis said the investigation was looking into violations of georgia law, pertaining to prohibiting this solicitation of election fraud, making a false statements to state and local governmental bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of oath of office, and any involvement in violence or threats related to the elections administration. we soon learned miss willis was leaving no stone unturned in this investigation, and in addition to investigating trump, we would learn that those 16 fake trump electors were officially targets of criminal investigation. trump's unhinged lawyer, rudy giuliani, who went down to atlanta in december of 2020 and spread election conspiracies to georgia lawmakers in the state legislature, including telling them they could and should appoint their own slate of trump electors, we find out mr. giuliani as well is a target of miss willis's investigation. last year, the ableist ratcheted up the investigation by requesting that a special grand jury investigate the case. a special grand jury unlike a regular grand jury, has no automatic expiration date. it can focus solely on one case. it does not directly issue indictments, jurors study the

evidence and present their conclusions, and they can make a recommendation to the district attorney about seeking charges. the panelist seeded eight months ago. several trump allies were ordered to testify before the panel by the courts, including the supreme court, which weight and rejected senator lindsey graham's efforts to defy a special grand jury subpoena for his testimony. that panel finished its work a mere two weeks ago, including its final product. a report for dea willis, laying out its investigation under recommendation as to next steps. as far as the contents of that report being released to the public, that was a subject of a court hearing today in atlanta, where the district attorney made her position clear. >> we want to make sure that everybody is treated fairly, and we think, for future defendants, to be treated fairly, it's not appropriate, at this time, to have this report released. in the interest of justice, and the rights of, not the state, but others, we are asking that the report not be released because you haven't seen that report. decisions are imminent. >> that was the back of funny

willis's had, but you can see and hear their, what she is saying, is this, she's saying the word defendants, plural, and she is saying charging decisions are imminent. the district attorney also revealed today the special grand jury heard from a grand total of 75 witnesses, 75, now, while that grand jury may have finished its work and delivered his final report, willis's office stressed today this remains an ongoing investigation and that release of the report right now would be, and their words, dangerous, because the dea has not weighed in yet on whether or not to file criminal charges. attorney for a group of media organizations argued for the release of their report to be made public, saying public faith and the judicial system demanded the reports release. fulton county judge overseeing the case said he would not be making any rash decisions, and not rule today on whether or not to release the report, so, while we do not have eyes on this special grand jury's findings, just yet, what was made ever more clear today, it is that this investigation is of tremendous breadth and magnitude.

it is ongoing. there are, potentially, multiple defendants, and decisions regarding an indictment, or indictments, plural. those decisions are imminent. joining us now, our when keys flamingo, modest attorney into cobb county, which is right next to fulton county, in georgia, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and a professor at the university of michigan law school. great to see you both. thank you for joining me. gwen, let me start with you. just in terms of the things we learned today, sending the report itself inside, and when that may or may not become public, the word dangerous, we've got really stuck on that when we were discussing this as we came to air with the story. why do you think the d. a.'s office is characterizing a potential release of the report as dangerous. what does that say to you? >> i could surmise she has witnesses at this point she's trying to protect, not just defendants whose rights she's also trying to protect. she wants to ensure that, as possible witnesses are named in the report, that they would be available and healthy for trial. so, that is, obviously, any prosecutors number one concern,

ensuring that the case can proceed with the relevant facts, and you need to have your appropriate witnesses to be able to do that. >> barb, when we talk about the number of witnesses here, or the number of people that have testified, i'm not a legal expert, but somebody five seemed like a lot. how did you read that when you heard that statistic? >> it does seem like a lot, but what i hear when i hear number like that, is she's done a thorough job. i think, in a case like this, with a lot of different tentacles, different aspects of this case, the fake electors scheme, the statements to the georgia legislature, the harassment of poll workers, the tampering with voting machines, all those different things have a lot of components to them. to do a thorough job, you need to talk to a lot of people. one of the things that is challenging we are conducting a grand jury investigation, you think you have one more, witness and you talk to that witness, and they tell you about five more people you realize you need to talk to. the never-ending layers, skins of an onion.

75 is certainly a big number. in a state where the facts are relatively confined in contrast to the federal investigation, which involves a number of different states, 75 strikes me as a big number, a lot of hard work, but a thorough effort to find out what happened here. >> of course, it's an ongoing investigation. gwen, i know you are part of a brookings institution paper that basically looked at the georgia investigation and concluded a number of different charges that could be brought here. can you talk a little bit about how you are seeing this case and the outlines as we stand now, again, a lot of things to be determined, what do you think is most perilous, potentially, for our former president trump, for example? >> that report is based on what we knew in the public realm. as you started, you indicated that it was very rare that we had this conversation on tape, and as a result of that conversation as well as a lot of the evidence that came to light through good reporting, my colleagues and i thought there was a substantially likelihood of charges both under the election code for things like conspiracy to commit election fraud,

violation of oath, or conspiracy to violate an oath of office, as well as you are more traditional criminal crimes, entitle 16 of the georgia codes, things like false statements, or forgery in the case of the alleged fake electors. we are still waiting to see whether fani and her team will pursue a rico indictment, which will allow her to encompass all of these crimes, or the ones that relate to the predicate acts under the statute, the predicate crimes, foundational crimes under the statute, and see what type of case she can build from there. >> can i follow on that, when you talk about rico charges, that something she's used before to prosecute a number of atlanta area musicians, rappers, which is its own sort of georgia thing that has been litigated in the public court

of public opinion, but that's something she is comfortable using, glenn. in terms of the ease of bringing a charge like that at the state level, is there a meaningful difference between pursuing charges at the federal level versus a state level on a more circumscribed case like this? >> yes, the georgia rico statute is much more broad and more favorable to prosecutors, someone are you. it allows her to tell the whole story. you're right, funny has her own personal experience trying rico, from the time that she took

over as the dea, but also in her prior career as an assistant dea. she has others on her team, like john floyd, who really wrote the treatise on rico in

georgia as well as some other states. that's one of the big questions we are waiting to see, how she is going to use these resources and experience in this particular matter. >> barb, it's meaningful attorneys for former president trump did not participate in today's hearing. they claim the grand jury listened to dozens of high-ranking officials during the investigation, but never found it important to speak

with the president, therefore they didn't need to be in the courtroom today. do you think that was foolish legal calculation? how much at-risk do you think the president is in all of this? >> i think it's probably as much a political decision as a legal decision. he was not a witness, and it could very well be that a judge would not have heard from him anyway since he doesn't have a official stake in it. rather than risk losing political points when it may not have made a difference anyway, they likely calculated that it wasn't worthwhile to

make a decision here. no doubt, all roads points to trump in this case. that phone call, for one, that we've all heard, but that's not all there is. there is, you know, we've heard many of these other witnesses who testified could be part of a conspiracy, could be part of a number of other crimes. i think you should be very worried about whether he, himself, is charged in this case. it could be that charges go as serial fashion, she doesn't charge everybody at once, which would be another reason to keep this report secret. sometimes, you charge a certain lower little group of defendants in hopes of flipping them to get to the higher ups, several feeling this report would make that more difficult. no doubt, at the heart of all

of, this if you've put your conspiracy together on a big chart, the person at the center of that chart is donald trump. >> yeah, i mean, trump's lawyers may not have been in the courtroom, but trump said was clearly in the courtroom. there were a series of france on truth social, i think we have those we could pull up, that basically detail, i wish i could read them from here, but my eyes are getting very, very old, effectively, he saying the call was perfect, there is nothing to see, hear no admonishment their, therefore he is without any guilt. we know now, barb, that, for all of us, unfortunately being students of trump's behavior, that he often reveals his big tell, saying he doesn't care about something, when in fact, that's usually a sign he does people care about something, and in recent weeks, he's been tweeting a lot against georgia -- against, i should say, tweeting a lot about georgia election workers, samos, and ruby freeman, the georgia case is very much on his mind. when you think about all of this on the timeline, barb, january six investigation that the doj seems months away, if not years away from actually ending, to say nothing of actually bringing criminal charges. the georgia case seems very much to be on trump's doorstep, if you look at just the timeline. is that the correct way of thinking about these two things? >> that is if you like it as, well alex. you never know what's happening behind closed doors. you don't know what you might not know. but i heard fani willis say today in court, the word she used was that a decision is, eminent. so we know the special grand jury has completed its work. so now all that's left, really, is for her to assess the evidence and decide whether further investigation is necessary and make a charging decision. we don't know where they are in the doj investigation, federally. but i agree with you. it does not feel like it's as

close. and i think there's a good reason for that. part of it is she is dealing with just the activities in one state. whereas doj is dealing with activities and a number of states, national scope. i also think we have a lot more visibility into her case because she is required by statute to go to the courts to get subpoenas for witnesses who are out of state, and to get those orders. so we know all of the people who have testified before the grand jury in georgia, where if we don't have the same visibility at doj. maybe we will be surprising doj will be here with the indictment. but i don't think so. it seems like she's moving at a very good clip, that she's gonna make a decision very soon. and based on what she said today, and her very strong efforts to keep this quiet, it would surprise me if that ultimate decision is, oh, i've decided not to charge after all. it seems like, in light of her words and her actions, the charges are eminent. >> gwen, let me ask you one more question. because i think a lot of us have been very impressed with the alacrity with with the dea has moved the individual she's been able to subpoena for a testimony. this is not the only state where a slate of fake electors were sent to undermine the principles of american democracy. we know there's i believe seven

other states, arizona, michigan, nevada, new mexico, pennsylvania, wisconsin. do you think that this model, what the dea is doing down in fulton county could eventually be a model for other states that are looking to seek a criminal indictment for those actors that tried to send fake electors to washington? >> i think that depends on a couple of things. one, how the statutes are written in those states. remember, at least three of them, the facts are slightly different than what we have in georgia, where there was actual conditional language on the documents that they sent to the archives. saying, we are the electors if it is found that the former president won the election. and so that goes to the element of intent, or lack of intent in those states. whereas in georgia, no such language was included on the documents. and, again, in georgia, we have this tape of the january 2nd call. we have information, at least public information, about

conversations with the u.s. attorney, the sitting u.s. attorney, at the time. and him being asked to leave the office. we have statements, both public and, i presume, in the grand jury, under oath, about how the secretary of state in georgia felt about the pressure that was applied to him, both from the former president, as well as others during his call with senator grant. i think georgia is very unique. but i would leave it to the prosecutors in the other states to evaluate their own set of evidence, and make their own decisions. >> we've talked a lot on the show and others about what is happening in the investigative level of congress, what's happening with the doj. but georgia, fulton county, georgia, could be the storm cloud on the horizon. in short order, for president trump's allies. regarding the stealing of an american election. gwen -- and barb mcquade, former u. s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, thank you both for making the, time i really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> okay, we have much more

ahead tonight. when we come back, classified documents found in the home of former vice president, mike pence. just months after former vice president mike pence denied having any documents in this home. national security lawyer, bradley moss joins us next to discuss. later, speaker kevin mccarthy announced tonight he will keep congressman and i'm schiff and eric swalwell of the intelligence committee. congressman swalwell joins us live to talk about all that. stay with us. ♪ ♪ this... is a glimpse into the no-too-distant future of lincoln. ♪ ♪ it's what sanctuary could look like... feel like... sound like... even smell like. more on that soon. ♪ ♪ the best part? the prequel is pretty sweet too. ♪ ♪

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find chick-fil-a bags all of the floor. but you're not gonna find -- >> no comment on lindsey graham 's chick-fil-a bag disclosure today, but if recent history is a guide, the senator might want to double check his house for any classified information. here, former vice president, mike pence, here is a november. >> let me ask you as we sit here in your home office in indiana. did you take any classified documents with you from the white house? >> i did not. >> do you see any reason for anyone to take classified documents with them leaving the white house? >> there would be no reason to have classified documents, particularly if they were in an unprotected area. >> today we got the news that last week a lawyer for former vice president pence found

about a dozen documents marked as classified in pence's indiana home. the same home were just months earlier he gave that interview saying he did not take any classified documents with him from the white house. but as much as this is a story about former vice president, mike pence, it's also a story about the system our government uses to keep classified information safe. and how, clearly, part of that system is failing. it seems like it's just far too easy to leave the white house of classified documents. and that, is yes, and potentially huge national security risk. here was the reaction of the chair in the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee this afternoon. >> we're surprised we even heard the former president mike pence also had documents in his possession, apparently? >> i kind of thought, holy heck. and i do wonder, you know, how many other former's? >> about the mike pence classified documents. i was wondering what your reaction was after you heard that news? >> what is going on around here is my reaction? >> that's a problem.

that is a part of our government that needs to be examined and fixed. and that is one part of the story. the other part of the story's political. here is former vice president pence earlier this month. >> i think the biden paper should be dealt with precisely the same way that president trump's papers have been dealt with. and examined with the same for ernest carefulness. >> would you acknowledge these are not equal episodes? >> i would, say by, of the different degree. but that in kind. >> republicans have spent weeks trying to pick biden documentary as identical to the trump document story. pence even put his emphasis on these incidents that being different in kind. but the emphasis here from what we know at this point, is that they are extremely different in degree. joining us now is bradley moss,

the national security attorney whose represented federal officials, member of the military, and defense contractors in security clearance proceedings. mr. moss, thank you for joining us tonight. you may have classified documents. i may have some that i might not know about. that's highly, highly unlikely. but never say never, right? and the point would be, a, we have to shore up the ways in which we retain classified documents. but, b, it still does not resolve the very thorny legal problem former president trump seems to have. these are apples and that's a

banana, or an orange, or whatever fruit metaphor you choose. can you talk to me about how you see the trump biden and pence situations that both similar indifferent? >> that is the largest systemwide issue we have a breakdown here, the most specific issue of legality is we have two different paths, we have what donald trump, did donald trump was told he had records, and he played games with the justice department. he obstructed, he was argumentative, he ultimately had lawyers submitted declaration that false information in it. that is why he got raided. on the other hand, we have at least so far, we have what president biden and former president mike pence have done, which is a far more cooperative, take these documents and get

them out of my house approach, returning it the way they are supposed to. so that is the difference between the, i don't want to get into any more trouble, and the donald trump, i'm going to see how far can push, this approach. that's why donald trump is facing real potential criminal liability and as far as i'm concerned, i bet you are not. >> and i think one of the problems here, at least in terms of the narrative, is that the attorney general, merrick garland, assigned a special prosecutor to the case, which gives the veneer to the -- equivalence to the biden document retention and the trump document retention. does he now have to assign a special counsel to pence? what do you think the threshold is at this point given the asymmetry of what biden did and what trump did as far as classified documents. is pence going to be roped into all of this as well? >> he might, but i don't think we're there yet. and here's why. part of the reason there was a special counsel assigned for donald trump was because donald trump finally declared his third run for the presidency. right, now as far as i'm concerned, the right -- way merrick garland should be

running this -- you have a u.s. attorney's office, someone obviously not in indiana assigned to review what the fbi has got. if mike pence decides to announce he's going to run for president, which we all assume he will do, if he does, that then you consider whether or not to appoint a special counsel in that same vein. and in that same context as you did with donald trump, and with president biden. but you are not there yet. and you may never have to be, depending on what is determined by the fbi and its ongoing import. >> i, mean everybody gets a special counsel. it's like oprah giveaway. you get a special counsel, you get a special counsel. what about the larger systemic problem that you outlined at the beginning? the way in which classified documents are retained or kept track of. how do you fix that problem? it sounds like, first of, all a lot of these records are available electronically. so that was left of a premium,

perhaps, you tell, me on the paper version? is this how these things are getting lost? how do you look at this? and what is your assessment of what needs to be fixed? >> so part of the problem is, simply, there's too much. there is too much classified data. it isn't insurmountable problem to manage to track to properly secure. spillage happened even with the most highly trained federal official. let's be really honest. it happens every day, probably. but the greater problem here is that the individuals that we are talking about, these former constitutional officers, they don't get any training. they are elected, they don't get to go through security vetting, they're just granted access. so by virtue of their position, they're told, you can see whatever you want. and they have no sense of what the proper >> -- proper procedures. are they have no sense or accountability if they don't comply. so we have a real systemic issue. not only and how much we classify, but also how we train -- our officers and how this was we handling the stuff.

and how serious they are supposed to treat potential mishandling of these records. and there may not be an easy solution. if i'm president, biden this is your moment to take -- this year. systemwide review. figure out what the heck is going on. here say, i've even got tripped up by, this i want to formal review of the executive branch policy, up to and including former president and vice presidents. >> put a special counsel on. and i'm just kidding. bradley -- thank you for your time. tonight great to talk to you, as always. >> absolutely. have a good. one >> still, ahead congressman eric swalwell -- after kevin mccarthy insist he will keep swalwell of the intelligence committee and he will instead, well, in a parallel fashion, give george santos a seat on a different committee. stay with us.

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to hold the gavel and be speaker of the house. last night, mccarthy announced that he would be appointing a group of far-right republicans to the all-important house rules committee, which controls what legislation gets to the house floor for a vote. that group of hard-line republicans includes congressman chip roy and ralph norman, both of whom were holdouts during the vote to elect mccarthy speaker in the first place. congressman roy is famous for holding up legislation on the house floor. last month, he attempted to derail a major must pass spending bill by introducing -- well, by trying to introduce -- an amendment to defund the bipartisan law protecting same-sex marriage. the rules committee will now also include congressman thomas massie, a libertarian leaning republican who also has a reputation for being a thorn in the side of, well, congress. massie managed to anger both democratic and republican leaders when he tried to force members back to washington to hold a vote on a covid relief bill early in the pandemic,

when everyone was trying to, you know, not be in the same room together and contracted contract a deadly virus. and now he will sit on the rules committee. what could go wrong? the appointment of these personalities comes our speaker mccarthy is following through on his threat to deny committee assignments to certain democratic members of congress in what looks like an awful lot like retribution. mccarthy has said he would refuse congressman adam schiff and eric swalwell their seats on the house intelligence committee, despite the fact that both men served on the committee during the previous congress. yesterday, house minority leader hakeem jeffries made clear, he was not going to cave to mccarthy's threats, tapping both swalwell and schiff for the intelligence committee. and just before we got on the air tonight, speaker mccarthy officially ruled on leader jeffries selections, saying, i am here by rejecting the appointments of representatives adam schiff and representative eric swalwell to serve on the intelligence committee. it is my assessment that the misuse of this panel during the

116 from 117th congress severely undermined its primary national security and oversight missions, ultimately leading leaving our nation less safe. joining us now is congressman eric swalwell, democrat of california, a man who may or may not have a chair when he goes to the intelligence committee. congressman, what can be done here? we know that the intelligence committee is a select committee. so, basically, the speaker of the house can reject nominees. is there any recourse in this situation? >> yeah. when the house, in 2024, come mccarthy is going to regret giving me more time to make sure that happens -- >> so, effectively, it's flipped the house back to democratic control? but, as far as you and congressman schiff having seats on the house intel committee -- it sounds like that is not going to happen for the 118th congress. >> yeah. alex, that is right. when he, in the letter says misuse in the last two congresses. what he is referring to is that we have the crazy idea that the

former president should not have been tied so closely to russia or allowed russia to interfere in the election, as they did, in 2016, or that the former president shouldn't have been able to leverage 300 million u. s. taxpayer dollars to put dirt on his opponent. those were the two investigations that to find those to last congress is that he is alluding to. and it's clear that this is just political vengeance. because mr. schiff and i were to people in the breach in those investigations. >> yeah. the irony of saying investigating russian interference impossible collusion of somehow making the country less safe, defies -- it defies logic. but speaker mccarthy seems to have singled you out, in particular. and i want to play some -- well, i don't know. it's kind of a long. i'm just going to read what kevin mccarthy said about you. let's talk about eric swalwell, because --

>> it's hard to understand what he's typically saying. >> he had a briefing, as well as former speaker pelosi had a briefing from the fbi. and the fbi never came forward before to this congress to tell the leadership of this congress that eric swalwell had a problem -- problem of the chinese by until he served on the intel. it wasn't just us who were concerned, the fbi was concerned on putting a member of congress on the intel -- committee that has, effectively, a relationship with a chinese spy. what is your response to that? >> alex, most importantly, john boehner was briefed on this individual who tried to help my campaign in barack obama's first term. and john boehner appointed me to the house intelligence committee. paul ryan, who had access to this as a gang of eight member to this and fix -- information investigation appointed me to the committee. the fbi issued three statement statements this at all i did was help them, and was never under any suspicion for wrongdoing. donald trump called me out at almost every rally -- and had access to more persons -- and more information than

anyone who walks this earth. and if he would've been able to weaponize information against me, we know he would have. he never did that. and just last week, glenn kessler at the washington post fact checker, and independent fact checker, gave kevin mccarthy for pinocchio's for his claims. you don't take it for me. just look at the evidence in the fact that i was reappointed and that the washington post has debunked, this is shows it's purely political vengeance. >> political vengeance seems to be the flavor of the day with the 118th republican led congress. what do you make of chip roy and ralph norman being on the rules committee? and what do you make of the elevation of far-right members two key committee assignments. what is your expectation here for getting basic things passed. like, for example, hurricane relief? >> i don't want to minimize this. because, alex, it's frustrating to lose this assignment. it's not about me. the committee will go on. it's got great members. but what this is about, as you just alluded to, is adam schiff

and myself, and potentially, elon omar, will come off our committees by way of kevin mccarthy removing us. and george santos, who just admitted today that he defrauded the fcc in his campaign statement, that we don't know anything about, except the republican, will go on to a committee. marjorie taylor greene will go on to the homeland security committee, and committee investigating covid. so it does seem like it is a corrupt -- bargain that is being carried out by kevin mccarthy. when, as you pointed, out the voters, they wanted us to just get things done. and so we need relief in california. it's for the storms that have hit us. we need gun safety legislation because we keep having mass shootings in california. it seems every couple of hours. that is not what they're focusing on. they're focusing on exacting their pound of flesh. >> i want to say -- we don't have time to get to the number of characters that are on the weaponization of the federal government committee. but it begins with jim jordan and ends with harriet hagman. that's the list.

i will, say congressman, on a serious -- >> i call it the committee to obstruct justice. >> exactly. >> the committee to obstruct justice. that's what that committee should be called. >> as someone whose district you formerly represented, half moon bay, we send our condolences to you and your former constituents. and we are thinking of california and the real crisis crises that face this country, regardless of what the house choose to do or not do in the upcoming congress. congressman eric swelwell -- democrat of california. >> i appreciate that. >> we will be right back. right back over the last 100 years, lincoln's witnessed a good bit of history. even made some themselves. makes you wonder... what will they do for an encore? ♪♪

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evening. we will see you again tomorrow. and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. hi, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. -- every once in a while i see you doing some stories. and i think about your father and i think, wow, carl wagner,