we are coming on the air with several developing stories, the big international pledge secret meeting on secret doc with a little bit of committee chaos, let's start with what is happening right now with the u.s. and allies getting ready to add tanks to the battlefield in ukraine. the white house just now outlining when those tanks will be on the ground, part of a bigger international push to try to get other countries to do the same. our teemg is standing by with the latest. also this hour, senators getting briefed by the head of the u.s. intelligence and what is at the top of the agenda, a whole bunch of classified documents ending up in places where they shouldn't be. we will have the team on what to expect. plus the committee, democrats blasting speaker kevin mccarthy's move to boot top democrats from the in tem committee and his expected push to try to block one member of congress from foreign affairs. we will get into it all later in the show. i'm hallie jackson in washington. kristen welker at the white house, raf sanchez is live for us in ukraine, along with helene

cooper, "new york times" pentagon correspondent and msnbc political contributor and jim towns en, former assistant defense secretary for europe for nato under president obama as well. let's start with the news we are getting out of the u.s. and germany. high-tech tanks are getting ready to be sent to ukraine in what the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy hopes will be a game changer on the battlefield. here is what we know. germany is sending 14 leopard 2 tanks to ukraine opening the door for maybe more european countries to do the same. in the u.s., president biden says 31 of our abrams tanks will be sent. >> the united states is working in lock-step with our allies, our partners around the world, to make sure the ukrainian people are in the strongest possible position to defend their nation, their families against the truly brutal aggression of russia. we haven't seen the likes of this in a long time. the united states and europe are fully united. >> that was something that the

president clearly wanted to get across, kristen welker, and not only political but a quick reversal. talk through what you're hearing from your sources at the white house? >> this is significant. there is no doubt about it. you laid out very well, the significant escalation of the united states military support of ukraine. and it is a big shift. because for many months, the u.s. had resisted this move, sending in eye brams tanks, among the most powerful in the world, because they are difficult to maintain, because they're difficult to operate, because of concerns that this could be seen as an escalation by russia. with a robust back and forth with the united states and european allies including germany, over whether it would send tanks. that log jam, hallie, has clearly now been broken. the united states doing this in concert with germany. germany just yesterday, as you said, sending what it said is leopard tanks. i pressed john kirby with the national security council what

changed. take a look at that exchange. >> to get to your specific question, what has changed, what has changed is the conditions on the ground. and the kinds of fighting that the russians are doing right now, and the kinds of fighting, more importantly, that we believe that the ukrainians are going to be need to be capable of in weeks and months ahead. >> now, here's the challenge, hallie, when we pressed kirby on the time line of this, he says it will take many months before these tanks are in ukraine, are in operation, are operational in ukraine, and so the question is, when will the ukrainians actually be able to use them, because the all-important spring months are fast-approaching and that is when, according to kirby, according to many u.s. officials, russia will have regrouped and retool and that's when we could see the heavy fighting start again. so could those german tanks be sent in time for those spring months? that's the question. and the question, how quickly

can they be trained to meet that heavy artillery. >> huge question, helene cooper, we're coming to that in a minute, but first raf, president zelenskyy, this is clearly news that he wanted to be hearing, right? because this is, as kristen has laid out, potentially something that could help ukraine offensively as it relates to the invasion by russia, talk through what you're hearing on the ukrainian side about this. >> well, hallie, the sirens were just going off here in eastern ukraine. they just stopped a moment ago. and ukrainians really do not have time to celebrate. they are still fighting an absolutely brutal war in the east of this country, against vladimir putin forces and as kristen said, every indication is that the russians are regrouping. so time is of the absolute es tense right now. i want you to take a listen to a little bit about what president zelenskyy had to say in reaction to the news, that germany was sending these tanks. take a listen .

>> now, you heard it there. even as he expresses his gratitude to the west for these tanks, he is raising the question when will we actually see them on the battlefield. it seems very unlikely we're going to cease though m-1 abrams any time soon. here in ukraine, they have to come off the production line first, but the hope among ukrainian officials is they could get their hands on the leopard 2s in relatively short order. the german chancellor saying today, he is prepared to see ukrainian crews begin training on the leopards as soon as possible, and there are country, hallie, like poland and neighbors of ukraine who not only have the leopards saying they are prepared to give them. a ukrainian official, before the ink was even dried on this issue of tanks floated the question of

whether the u.s. might sends f-16 fighter jets to ukraine. john kirby speaking earlier, he doesn't begrudge the ukrainians asking for everything they can, this is a country at war, they are fighting for their very survival, think if the past is anything to go by, it is likely that the biden administration is going to assess what happens with these tanks, how effectively the ukrainians incorporate them, and how the russians react, and then maybe they there will be a discussion about fighter jets, hallie. >> raf sanchez, i will let you know, i know it is a situation where we want to you be focused what you have to do on the ground there. appreciate it. >> jim, let me go to you and close a bit of a loop that we laid out with kristen at the top here which is the question of timing here. you heard the president say it will take some time for the tanks to get there and become operational, john kirby says many months, you have to train troops to use these tanks, realistically, if these are to be a game changer, when might that game end up changed? are we talking fall? >> well, for the abrams, i think you're right, we're talking

fall. but what is important is that these abrams and unlocked leopards, not just in germany but 14 countries plus germany, 15, countries in europe, that have the leopard tank. and the poles want to put together a multi-national group, a coalition of nations that have the leopards and to get those on the battlefield quick limit i think we can see the leopards certainly in there, within the next month or two. i know the poles are ready to go. germany might take a bit longer. but i think what's important here, for the therm term, for an offensive, are those leopard 2s that are already in europe, and the nations need to put them on flatbed cars on the railroad and get them into ukraine as fast as they can. >> helene, raf mentioned something that is worth pointing out. the idea there is another question mark on the russian reaction. we've seen some of this. the kremlin says these tanks will burn up just like all of the others. how much of a concern should that be for ukrainians, that moscow sees this as a

provocation? >> well, thanks for having me, first, hallie, the ukrainians have a problem to begin with. moscow has been striking, has been striking civilians, striking the infrastructure, striking all parts of ukraine, for the last 11 months. so when people start talking about problems, worries of escalation, they're not talking about escalation in ukraine, they're talking about escalation in nato, and this entire tank deal was not about the abrams. all the abrams are, which doesn't matter how long it takes to get there, all the abrams are, is a cover for the germans to be able to, the germans and the rest of the other countries to send the leopard tanks, the germans refused they were not going to send the leopard tanks, which are nearby and available and easier for the ukrainians to

train and use and quicker to get into the battlefield space but the germans refused to send theirs or other countries to send the leopards until they had the political cover that they wanted which is the united states agreed to send tanks, too, so that they could make sure, and the whole point of this, is to make sure that if there is russian escalation, that escalation, the united states is right in the middle of it with them. this is all one official, a while ago, like a year ago, when we were talking about the migs, back then, when european countries were talking about sending fighter jets to ukraine, and the proposal was oh, get the united states into it, even though we don't actually even make migs, it is all about getting the united states to be as in on this as the rest of nato and it shows very much, i think this whole episode just shows so much how dependent europe is on the united states,

and for nato, any kind of nato unit, nothing says it more than this, in my opinion. >> this is a point that came out in the white house briefing, the idea, as helene framed it here is, this a cover, was this part of being a cover for germany here. >> i asked that question specifically, and i'm so glad that you bring it up, helene, and you essentially had john kirby pressing back against that idea, but at the same time, it was very clear that it was critical that the united states was in an alicense with its european allies in this move. and you saw president biden, hallie, this is where we started the conversation, really stress that point, that the united states is doing this in concert with the european allies, and essentially giving the green light to germany, and to other european countries, to send their tanks, to send in their heavy artillery. and it's critical from a diplomatic point, but from a strategic point as well, because russia has essentially made a bet that the u.s. and its allies

would not stay united, and this was a fracture. this was a very robust back and forth between the u.s. and between germany, and the fact that they have broken through that logjam, the fact that they are now making these announcements with even other, it is really a part of what you saw the president highlight, and underscore, that the united states and its nato allies have in fact worked on this process, in an effort to increasingly isolate russia. >> and that, too, is a signal, to vladimir putin. >> that's right. it's a signal that needed to be sent, because putin was sitting in moscow, watching the alliance have trouble politically with germany, watching the anger rise in european capitals, and not understanding why germany was acting this way. it certainly was something that bucked up putin and what he was hoping to see was coming about, which was disunity, so this

message today from washington and from berlin, it is just what, putin did not want to hear, that in fact, we will find our way to providing those tanks, and that unity once again was holding forth. so this is bad news for putin. not just on the battlefield, but in the political battlefield as well. >> held lean, quick final thoughts to you. >> i just think both are completely right. i think i've been struck by this overall, you know, for weeks, we heard the biden administration giving the military reasons why it didn't make sense, logistics, abrams are too hard to maintain, they're too expensive, the fuel for them is expensive, et cetera, et cetera, and send the leopards, and it just shows, again, i think on a political note, just how much europe still really, i think it's scarred by the trump years and it wants to make sure that the united states

is still in with europe every step of the way. they will not do anything with unless we're in it too, and i think that's what we just saw. >> helene cooper, jim townsend, kristen welker, thanks to all of you on. you're always right. thank you. how house democrats are responding to speaker mccarthy after he officially blocked them from a key committee. and more on what job marjorie taylor greene is now angling for. and yes it has to be with the person she's with in this photo. we will dig into that later in the show. first, senators getting an intel briefing as we speak with this whole issue of classified documents right front and center and we will talk about what we know and what we think what we know in what is happening behind closed doors. in 60 seconds. stay with us. doors in 60 seconds. stay with us a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a one-second scan, i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks.

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committee is getting a closed door briefing from the drebter of national intention with one issue sure to come up, the classified documents foubz in places they do not belong, with the latest batch found at former vice president's pence's home in indiana. that is coming as special counsel supported by the attorney general investigate how president biden and former president trump handled sensitive materials. i want to bring in nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell is with us as well and garrett, talk us through what you're seeing in the area where some of the top senators will be entering the room, leaving the room, and a little cloak and dagger as it has to be, walk us through. >> this meeting is happening in a basement scif, a secure facility in the basement of the u.s. capitol, ironically where members often gather to view classified documents. this is a brie-scheduled meeting with the director of national intelligence but lawmakers i talked to in the last couple of years are keen to ask what they

can about these various episodes of classified documents turning up in places they're not supposed to. you will remember the chairman of the senate intel committee mark warner requested a briefing on the trump documents last year. that has not happened in part because of the special counsel taking over taking over. i was given the impression by the staff earlier this week that they didn't think they would get a complete briefing on the documents issue perhaps for several weeks but having the dni in front of them, it at least gives lawmakers a chance to ask questions. that said, if history is any guide here, i think lawmakers are going to come away disappointed, whether they get information on even the types of documents, and now in the d.o.j.'s possession, i think it is unlikely, hallie. >> garrett, thanks. let me go to you, kelly, what garrett has heard on the hill and i'm sure what you heard from sources as well is the idea, we heard it publicly, the idea that there are systemic problems in the way that perhaps the classified documents are handled. what is the progress on any

solution on that front? in other words, how does that get shored up so it doesn't happen again moving forward? >> it's a question we have asked. i've asked it. my colleagues have asked it, of the white house, because certainly the president has some authority using his executive powers on this issue. he could in effect tighten up some of the procedures, and try to set that in motion. so far, we've got no answers on any plans to do that. even often the issue of simply trying to remind those who are in the executive office of the president, which covers the white house and the executive branch, about their own handling of documents, they have not been forth coming about whether they're sending any sort of reminder to staff members about the handling of this. certainly, there is an air of seriousness of materials and it is commonplace at the white house for there to be access to classified materials, and there are a number of locations within

the white house and in adjacent buildings that that is done, and it is a routine matter. so big questions here. one of the things that certainly from garrett's perch, it will be interesting to note, if they have a sense of the numbers of pages involved. we don't even that that kind of detail yet to know what we're talking about in terms of what was left behind, or transported to personal homes of the president and the former vice president. and we're trying to learn more. more questions than answers at this stage. >> that is for sure. kelly o'donnell, not missing a beat, despite the microsoft microphone, your voice careys. thank you very much. and garrett haake as well. house democrats accusing kevin mccarthy of vengeance, with drama over the speaker's move to block adam schiff and eric swalwell from the intel committee and threatening to block ilhan omar from foreign affairs which would require, by the way a total house vote.

listen to some of the response today. >> throughout this journey of vengeance, the flee three of us have decided to stick together because it is not an individual committee assignment, this is an institution where the speaker of the house is using his power to go after his political opponents and to pick them off. >> hakeem jeffries trying to talk mccarthy out of the move but the house speaker shot that down saying i appreciate the loyalty you have for your democratic colleagues but i cannot put partisan loyalty ahead of national security. ali vitali on the hill. this is a fight that has been previewed and that kevin mccarthy was going to get the speaker's gavel and now squarely am it. >> this is how we expected it to shake out. leerl it is easier for mccarthy to say no to schiff and swalwell because he can unilaterally do that as the speaker of the house, deciding on select committees, because technically that's what the intel committee is. it is a different story though

for ilhan omar on foreign affairs. you're right, that would be a full house vote, similar to what we saw in the last congress, when people like marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar were stripped of their committees, and those instances, it was because marjorie taylor greene made anti-semitic and racist comments and paul gosar made violent threats against his democratic colleagues. of course, these are different cases. and democrats are being quick to point out the part can retaliation. but the interesting thing about what may end up happening with congressman omar is that while most republicans are agreed that they should kick her off this specific committee, not all of them are. we have heard from at least two republican members at this point who say they're probably not going to go along with this vote. now, two is not enough to tip the scale. but more than two, even just a few more, could be enough to make it so that this blocking of omar doesn't actually go through. so we're watching that very closely. because again, that's the story of this congress. very tight margins.

mccarthy needs all of his conference on board for things he can only spare a few, so we're watching that vote for if and when it ultimately comes up. >> ali vitali, live on the hill. thank you. still ahead, take you like from washington down to the florida where the republican governor there ron desantis is facing some new legal pressure today, for blocking an ap african studies course in his state. and out to california, with the update on the two horrific mass shootings that left more than a dozen people dead. the latest and what to expect from a key court hearing set to happen not too long from now. next. set to happen not too long from now next

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florida governor ron desantis today getting threatened with a possible new lawsuit over his administration's decision to block a new a. p. course on african american studies from being tout in high schools. here is civil rights lawyer ben crump just today. watch. >> we're here to give notice to governor desantis that if he does not negotiate with the college board to allow a. p. african american studies to be taught in the classrooms across the state of florida, that these three young people will be the lead plaintiffs in an historic

lawsuit. >> this week, governor desantis made the argument that this a. p. course is a trojan horse in his view for and i'm quoting here in dock nating students with left wing ideology. now the college board is set to release a new framework for the a. p. course which the florida education department said it would welcome. we have more from tallahassee. any suggestions so far that desantis might change course here? does it seem, as you look at his past history, his past precedent, right, it didn't seem that is going to happen. but where is this fight going next? >> reporter: yes, so it remains unclear. it has been a busy day here in tallahassee. and we know republican governor ron desantis has a pattern of banning courses and lessons in critical race theory and sexual orientation and identity. so the critics like ben crump, they were not surprised by this latest move. but as you heard, if he does not back off this ban, crump does intends to sue. i spoke with the through a. p.

students who would be plaintiffing and plane students gathered here today expressing their support for the course. interestingly here in florida, black history is plan dated, it must be taught, and the governor's office tells me they proudly teach black history and african american history, however, they disagree with some lessons in the college board's current curriculum. so as you mentioned, the college boards will be resubmitting a curriculum, february 1st, notably that is the first day of black history month, so a lot to watch here, but definitely just the latest in a slew of culture war battles. >> thank you very much reporting for us live there in tallahassee. to california now, where the suspected shooter in the half moon bay attack is expected to make his first court appearance next hour in california. we know that this shooting was one of three mass shootings in just a matter of days in that state. a surge of gun violence that left 189 people dead. vice president kamala harris is set to visit the scene of one of the shootings in monterey park,

that community still looking for answers. steve paterson is joining us from that location in monterey park. jake ward is at the courthouse in redwood city. with a separate attack. steve, let's start with you. nbc news has learned from excluse new details about the person believed to be responsible for this dance hall shooting in monterey park. our team has talked with his former friend, tenants for example, talk us through that. >> reporter: yes, you know, hallie, i think one of, and maybe the most important question that is left in this investigation is the question of why. there's still no motive here. and just being here for so long here, i know how important it is to the cartharsis of this community trying to make sense of this. authorities are doing all they can but they still have no motive listed to. fill in the blanks, to make the connections, yes, our nbc digital team has been asking people that knew the suspected shooter and what they've come back with is a portrait of a plan described as a loaner, with a grudge against the world, no family, no money, no job, no

hope in a lot of cases. these are from people, as you mentioned, tenants and people who knew him best, and losing connection to what sounded like one of the only joys left in his life, which was going to the dance halls here, al hambra, in emmet, where he was on the outs there as well, described as paranoid, and often angry, his ex-wife giving a statement to the media, and certainly that doesn't give a motive for the way he sprays a dance club, shooting 20 people, killing 11 people with a mach-10 weapon but it fills in the blanks a little bit on his background. of course, police are looking into that but they still need to make more connections and so they can tell this community exactly why someone would do this, especially a 72-year-old man, that is known in this community. >> and those are the questions, this is the backdrop that vice president harris will be met with tonight when she arrives to see him. >> yes, and she'll be offering condolences, and it is expected in a few hours, she is getting

to hug the family members of these victims, she is going to lay a wreath probably at this growing memorial behind me, she is going to learn the stories and share in the pain that is being felt so poignantly in her home state. >> thank you very much for that. jake, let me go to you here. as we mentioned, the other shooting in half moon bay where you, are where you have been, the about the is set to be arraigned just about an hour from now, facing seven counts of first-degree murder. tell us more. >> well, that's right, hallie, in about an hour, about 1:30, local time, 4:30 your time, we're going to have the defendant charged here in county court, with those seven counts, first-degree murder, and one count of attempted first-degree murder, all of that of course carries extra weight when you use a firearm, and at this hour, we also now know the names of six of the seven victims, they range in age from 74 to 43, and these are according to county

officials were agriculture worker, migrant workers who come to this country to make better life for themselves, the vigil was held earlier in which the bell tolled search times for each of the dead here and we have two investigative details, investigators are telling nbc bay area, our colleagues there, that they have in fact pieced together some of the steps that he has taken ahead of this, he has been cooperative and describing the shooting to them, and there is in fact a note that they found in the car from which he was tackled when he drove himself there, yesterday, and in that note, to his wife, he described very matter of factually that he has shot these eight people and said please take care of their adult child living in china. another important note that comes out of this, is that the shooting that steve has been covering, in monterey park, seems to have not been something that this shooter knew about, so i know a lot of people have been talking about the idea that this

somehow spreads between people and there is a copy cat element to this, i think we're at a point in this country where it turns out this stuff is happening so often, that these two things seem connected but are not. at this hour, authorities say that he did not seem to be aware of it, he seems to be saying that at this point, and of course, we have governor newsom talking about the need for gun control in this country, and we have a lot of things coming around this but i think the big thing that stands out for me is just how vulnerable this population was and people trying to make a better life in this country, and working some of the hardest jobs that we have in our nation, and this is a terrible, terrible way that their lives ended. all of that sort of deepening the horror here in northern california. >> jake ward, thank you you, steve paterson, appreciate your report can as well. still ahead, exclusive news reporting on which member of congress wants to be donald trump's 2024 running mate if he ends un, ends up with the gop

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right now in california, republicans are kicking off day one of three of their first party meeting since the midterms, hashing out stuff like why the midterms were so underwhelming for the gop, what do the debates look like, and the next presidential cycle, and who is the best person to lead the rnc come 2024?

that puts a lot of attention on ronna mctanl and whether or not she can hang on as the republican committee chair with a secret ballot vote later this week. i want to bring in mark murray, senior political editor. let's talk about ronna mcdaniel hand picked by then president trump, and i think it is fair to say facing some criticism for how the party did this past cycle and i rielle hunter realize you're not a prognosticator without a crystal ball but talk about how this vote goes. >> this is decided by the 168 republican state committee men and women representing states, and state party gop, all across the country. and right now, ronna mcdaniel boasts endorsements from 100 out of the 168 committee men and women, and that would make, that would give her a majority on a first vote. so it seems kind of on paper that she's got this locked up. but behind the surface, hallie,

there is rumblings, there have been some no confidence votes from state gops, particularly in the southern region of the country, that there is anger, and one of the reasons there is this kind of anger at her, particularly after republicans have come up short, in 2018, and 2020, and '22 elections but also because there is an anger at donald trump that hasn't really been manifested to donald trump and people can't tacoma out the 2022 -- can't take out the 2022 midterms on donald trump so in some ways the rny and ronna mcdaniel have become kind of a scapegoat for that but right now we'll see, if the 100 endorsement does hold up that she would definitely be the favorite to hold on to the position. >> there is also, you know, we laid out kind of the things getting discussed, there is this interesting, there is speculation, some reporting about what happens with presidential debates with the primary and the general here. >> and it is important to know what parties like the rnc or the

dnc actually do and they have two chief functions in today's current politics. they raise a tremendous amount of money. and they set the rules for the road for how the presidential contest works and obviously in primary elections, one of them is how are debates structured, how many do you have, who are the media partners, what do they end up looking like, but also, hallie, you know, on what it comes to the general election debate, we do know that the rnc lass voted to pull out from the commission on presidential debates, citing that they believe that the debates in the general election weren't fair to them, in 2016, and in the 2020 cycles, although a lot of that criticism is coming from the candidate who often did not perform well at those debates and that was donald trump in 2016 and 2020. >> mark murray, thank you very much for that. appreciate it. let's get to exclusive nbc news reporting, speaking of 2024, about that race, headline, georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene has her eyes on the white house, not the top job

but maybe the number two position under former president trump. a former top aide in the trump white house, trump confidante if you will, steve bannon tells nbc news, that greene sees herself on the short list for vp, and a second source who has advised that her whole vision is to be vice president. now remember, you've seen greene, if you were watching the whole speaker dram play out on our air, on c-span wherever, you saw her a bunch of the discussions, those negotiations, because she helped to get behind house speaker kevin mccarthy to get him elect told that position in the first place. she has since taken on a couple of committee assignments in a move that two sources tell nbc news that the heart of greene's effort is to rebrand as a politician who can work with both ends of the gop and her office responding today that greene's committee work is her priority, not 2024 rumors. joining us now is a person behind the scoop, nbc news senior national politics reporter jon allen who has the exclusive. let us be clear here that this is a, it seems right now, an

unrequited desire, it is fairly one way, right, marjorie taylor greene says she wants to do it, nothing from the trump camp that says yes we will do it. >> the old 18th century, 19th century british literature, unrequited love there. but absolutely marjorie taylor greene obviously very ambitious politician and someone who has proved who she is with the activist base that energizes trump, he wants to bring her out at rallies because they love her. at the same time, this is not coming from the mouth of donald trump himself. when i checked in with the trump campaign about this specifically, i did not get a response, so it wasn't like an idea that marjorie taylor greene was going to be on the shorts list. >> she is an extraordinary controversial one given her embrace of conspiracy theories et cetera. where would she help donald trump win in key states where he wouldn't already win? and where could she hurt him? >> that's a great question. to pick marjorie taylor greene would be an absolute, and we've

seen donald trump do this before at times, an absolute move to the base to try to boost turnout with somebody who is like doubling down on what donald trump is like, to energize, and to try to out-turn, turn out the democrats in some of these states. that didn't work for him in 2020, right? we saw that fail. in georgia. in her home state, she is not talking about running for governor or running for senator in georgia, because she wouldn't be able to win that race. so he would have to figure out a map that worked better with her, in order to put her on there. >> and embracing election deniers did not help donald trump in 202 in the midterms, it was not the results that the gop wanted to see. >> it wasn't exactly not the result that they didn't want to see, but kind of a disaster for a midterm for republicans, especially given what they were predicting, and what you hear time and again, from republicans, you know, in the know, is that it was the candidates that donald trump was

picking that were a big problem, that they were in state after state, people being hand-selected, were problematic, and so the question for republicans going forward is, a, are they going to nominate donald trump for president again knowing that, and b, what does he bring that's different to the table than he brought in 2016 or 2020. >> can we do a real talk for one second, and level with me and the people, how much of this is real on the part of those around marjorie taylor greene and how much of this is people close to her looking to elevate her profile? >> it is absolutely her looking to elevate her profile and people around her looking to elevate her profile. i'm not sure if is steve bannon's look in particular, and he was relaying conversations he had in an interview, sitting down with him and i think that is what is going on with him and i had another source on this, and not someone who had a big motivation to elevate her but saying this is what is going on. that doesn't mean that what she believes is real is going to be

real and then banana cream pie all day and get on the scale and lose ten pounds, that's something that we want but it is not real. >> thank you very much. a new report from the secret service showing how many mass shootings and the people behind them are actually driven by conspiracy theories and hate across the country. our team has the details, and what's getting done about it, after the break.

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late today about potential plans from the national archives to ask all living past presidents and past vice presidents to check to see if they have any classified documents in their homes, according to some brand new reporting from "the washington post," citing two people familiar with the discussions. this comes after the latest discovery of classified documents at mike pence's home and president biden's. jackie, thanks for being on. thank you for scrambling to a camera here. it seems like the archives are weighing a blanket ask to these former leaders to say, please triple check your stuff. >> yeah, that's exactly right. thanks for having me. it's a nice respite from my day. we don't know much about the deliberations other than this is an ongoing discussion at the moment and is an outgrowth of the discoveries we have seen in recent weeks.

first from joe biden and then most recently just last week from former vice president mike pence and of course all of this comes on top of the year's long battle to get back what turned out to be 300 documents marked classified from former president donald trump, though while biden and pence have embraced and underscored their compliance and cooperation, former president trump has continued to be combative and aggressively attack the special counsel, jack smith, that was appointed to oversee the process. i think part of the discussion right now is definitely the limitations of the presidential records act and what experts see as the need for more resources to be allocated to the national archives. i won't get too into the weeds. but at the end of an administration that has seen millions of pieces of paper that have run through a white house that either goes four years or eight years, the then outgoing

president's aides separate all the materials that belong to that president. they determine which ones are classified under the presidential records act or are classified materials and, therefore, government materials and need to be packed up and taken by the national archives. then the rest of the documents are deemed personal and they get taken to either a personal office, the penn biden center like former vice president joe biden, now president biden, or they get stored in some dusty area under some presidential library. this has happened in the past. as we are seeing now, according to the explanations given by these top aides that have spoken out in recent days, sometimes classified information is inadvertently co-mingled and mixed in with these personal documents. again, due to the great volume, we could see the archives issuing this blanket request to

everyone living, former vps and presidents, go check your personal items and triple check that you don't have anything classified. >> great reporting there from "the washington post." thank you for being with us. >> thanks. after the latest string of mass shootings we have talked about on the show, on this network, you have the secret service out with a new detailed report today on mass attacks in public places. here is what we are learning. a quarter of the attackers from 2016 to 2020 were motivated by conspiracy theories or hateful ideologies. hateful eye deols like anti-government, anti-semitic, misogynous views. i want to bring this julia ainsley to talk us through what else stands out and what leaders in various communities are hoping to get from it. >> you laid it out there. it's from 2016 to 2020. of course, it's incredibly relevant coming this week.

this is a group designed in the '90s so the secret service knew the threat environment of any place they were going to. now though, this material is so important. they are trying to share it as widely as possible across the country. they examined 173 incidents where three or more people were hurt during the five-year period. most of these cases, over 120 of those, it was a gun that was used. in 75% of all of those were guns, and at least 80% of those that used a gun resulted in at least one death. they found that a third of those used long guns, a rifle, a semiautomatic weapon or an automatic weapon. in attacks where they did not use a gun, they used a knife, they had less than a 50% chance of leading to a fatality. they say this isn't a policy position that they're taking here.

they want everyone, policymakers down to a teacher or a parent to spot red flag. they saw evidence people had been planning. we spoke to a doctor who is the head of the division at secret service who is trying to explain to the public what to look for and if this isn't even a prayer for prevention. here is what she had to say. >> what the resource tells us is the best practice is to be able to put in systems in place that the community can utilize to prevent these attacks. how can they recognize what the warning signs are? how do they encourage bystanders to come forward with information? >> from now on, she will be taking this information forward. she's has 21,000 people watching a webinar to learn more about this. >> julia, thank you for that reporting. appreciate it. appreciate you watching this hour.

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