doing this work. it is one thing to walk through that door. but you have to make sure that door stays open and help other people walk through. it after you. well said by the extraordinary geoff bennett. we cannot wait to see walk through that door next. and on that note, i wish you all a very, very good night. geoff bennett he's an amazing guy. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow ♪ ♪ ♪ >> thank you at-home for joining us to our. this is the moment when don trump lost his megaphone megaphone. >> i know your pain and i know you are hurt. we had an election that was stolen from us. it was a landslide election,

and everyone knows that. especially the other side. but you have to go home now. we have to have peace. so go home, we love you, you're very special, you've seen what happens. you see the way others are treated. that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel. but go home, and go home in peace. >> that was donald trump's video response to january 6th, issues hours after the capitol had been stormed by a violent mob of insurrectionists. he is that moment once again repeat the very election lies that motivated the rioters to storm the capitol in the first place, and then told that violent mob that they were, quote, very special. that video, and another post denying the election where the straws that finally broke the camel's back over america's largest social media companies. for years, trump had been allowed to use websites like

twitter and facebook to vilify immigrants and religious groups, to promote violence against media organizations and individual journalists, the spread poisonous lies to tens of billions of his followers. all of that had real world consequences. a 2018 study from the university of -- warwick trump's anti islamic tweets may have been associated with an increase in anti-muslim hate crimes. a 2020 analysis from the brookings institution found that severe toxicity and online threats towards trump's targets increased in the immediate aftermath of his tweets. but on january six, as the country came closer than it ever has to a violent coup, those social media companies finally realized they could not keep giving trump a platform. so, twitter and facebook banned donald trump. that was a big deal. prior to this ban, trump had nearly 88 million followers on twitter and another 35 million on facebook. facebook, in particular, had been key to donald trump's success ever since his first

presidential run. and in 2017 interview with 60 minutes, brad parscale, who is trump's digital campaign guru, presque isle said it was facebook, not twitter, that had elected donald trump. >> i understood early that facebook was how donald trump was going to win. twitter is how he talked to the people, facebook was -- i think facebook was the method. it was the highway in which his car drove on. >> parscale would later explained that the trump campaign was able to spend significantly less money than the clinton campaign because trump's campaign used facebook advertising. facebook charged less for its content, and that content was in turn more likely to be spread as clickbait. this is what parscale concluded in 2018. donald trump was a perfect candidate for facebook. so facebook did all of that for trump. well before january 6th. when the committee finally decided to suspend trump from the platform for two years. the decision back then was

announced by meadows head of global affairs. a man named nick clegg. to give you a sense of just how powerful that role is in america's largest social media giant, his job prior to joining facebook was the deputy prime minister of the united kingdom. not a small drop. when announcing that the two year suspension, he said in the statement that at the end of this period, we will look to experts to assess whether the risk to public safety has receded. we will evaluate external factors including instances of violence, restrictions on peaceful assembly another markers of civil unrest. if we, we being meta, determined that there is still a serious risk to public safety, we will extend the restriction for a set period of time and continue to reevaluate until that risk has received it. so, mad i was going to wait two years nick clegg, and if there was still -- well, man i would continue to ban donald trump from its site. and the two years since that announcement, donald trump has

continued to spread lies, and he has escalated his election conspiracies. he has endorsed and promoted several high-profile election to news as candidates for state office. he has gone even further and embracing the violent rioters from that day on january 6th, arguing regularly that they should be pardoned. just to, that he put a new video out suggesting that january 6th was a false flag operation by the fbi. and the violence spread by his lies, that violence has only gotten worse. we saw that this month when an election denier and republican candidate in new mexico was arrested after firing gunshots at the homes of state democratic officials. we saw that with the violent attack on the husband a former p speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, which was carried out by a follower of trump's election lies. we saw last year, when one of the people who was at the

capitol insurrection on january 6th, when one of those men fired a gun into an fbi field office in ohio. what met executive nick clegg called a serious risk to public safety, that is not gone away. it may not be a mob storming the capitol, but the violence is very much still there. it's happening an ongoing indiscreet ways. and yeah. today, but announced it was lifting its suspension of donald trump from facebook and instagram once again allowing trump access to the social media site that fueled his rise. nick clegg explain that decision in an interview today. >> how can you say that in this country, the risk of political violence has receded? >> i think -- what we're essentially doing is comparing it to the circumstances which led to his two year suspension in the first place. i'm not saying is perfect. no one is. but if you compared to the

circumstances which led to his original suspension, we think the risk to public safety as materially and significantly receded. but, that is also the reason why we are introducing those additional guardrails to discourage him from breaking our rules going forward, if he chooses to use facebook and instagram again. >> we think the risk to public safety has materially and significantly receded. joining us now is democratic congressman from california, row khanna. congressman, thanks for making time tonight. let's start with hearing action to the assertion on the part of meta that -- sufficiently receded. do you agree with that? >> i do not. i certainly think they're a lot of people in the capitol who don't agree with that. unfortunately, a lot of colleagues who still received death threats and travel around with security. but alex, i'm a classical liberal, and i do believe very strongly in free speech and in getting different viewpoints,

and it's a difficult situation where you have someone who's leading the republican nomination for president to say that they should not have a forum on essentially a modern public square. so i guess where i come out as, after gonna lift the ban but take action to ban him again if he has any posts that incite violence, that seems like a reasonable compromise. >> so you're confident that the new guardrails meta has ruled out will be significant to keep trump in check? >> i don't know if they'll be sufficient to keep him in check. >> -- their brandenburg or, first amendment law, which i think should inform facebook, because it's one of the greatest decisions along with new york times sullivan, if someone is posting or saying something that incites violence, that actually is not protected speech. if donald trump does that again, like he was doing on january six, they should be a clear

consequence for that, and he should be removed. the question is, at they're gonna enforce those guardrails? >> the question of what is inciting violence and what is just tough talk, i mean, it's suggesting the election was stolen and directing supporters to target election officials in an unspecified manner -- is that tough talk? is that inciting violence? how do you draw the line? are you confident that internally, meta has the systems personnel to sort of make those very tough calls? >> alice, i think it's a great point. that's why i think we should leave it to first amendment jurisprudence. those calls are made all the time by advisers, and it has to be eminent, the threat. it has to be leading -- just words are not enough. that was actually new york times v. sullivan, who offered to protect, frankly, the civil rights movement, where anti vietnam protesters saying you

can't just censor speech if it is provocative. this first amendment just credence protects not just conservatives, but liberals. but my concern is that a private corporation like meta, they really have the independent jurors to be making those kinds of decisions in a way that has public trust? that's my broader criticism of some of the social media companies that you have a few people who are multibillionaire is making these decisions about speech in society, i understand why the supreme court or judges are making it. but now you've got private companies making it. >> and we ask you one question about why matt is making the decision right now. yes, suspension was up. it had been two years since trump was taken off of facebook and instagram. but we also know that house republicans have been very clear about targeting, if you will, big tech, and calling some of those ceos up the hill, and then effectively asking them some very tough questions, if not more, about a perceived left-wing bias. do you think this is an effort

to curry favor? the re-platform-ing of trump? do you think this is an effort to curry favor with house republicans now that they're running the show? >> i don't. i think there's sensitive to criticism from lawmakers on both sides. we were in the majority, we were very critical, and -- i think here, there are concerns of censorship, but alex, the censorship is often against the left more than the right. the top ten most popular sites on facebook, nine out of ten of them are conservative sites. they're not liberal sites. i don't think there's some conservative bias. my estimate is that they looked at the donald trump is -- like it or not, he may be the republican nominee, they didn't think that -- modern public squares and that position. >> yeah. i mean, what we know from the january six committee is that team purple, which was dedicated specifically to examine the role of social media and the january 6th insurrection, found a bias towards trump. that some of his violent incitement was not censored in a way that it should've been

because tech companies or so worried about being perceived as anti conservative. congressman ro khanna, democrat from california, thanks for your time. really appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you. >> now, let's turn to -- anand jarred artists, msnbc political analyst and author of the purse waiters, at the front lines of the fight for our hearts, minds, and democracy. talk about pressure and tighter for this, anand. so it's interesting. it's a conundrum of sorts. look, i think effectively, this is the right call, because donald trump is a candidate for president. which is a hard thing to say again, in the 2024 race. do you see this is a tough call? should trump be re-platformed? is the threat of violence, has that subsided to the degree that it's, safe, quote unquote, to bring him back to the platform that in many ways made him?

>> with respect to my brother, ro khanna, who i love, i think the issue of censorship -- what can governments do? and i think the question of whether a private platform would be wise to have unknown insider of insurrection in political violence back on the platform -- it is a foolish choice. what nick was saying is disgraceful. the idea that the risk of political violence has receded since then. and, look there's a comic side to this, which is that a man, mark zuckerberg, who presumably invented him at because he was unable to talk to girls in person in college, has now kind of ambled his way to building one of the most destructive forces on earth that is not going to be re-unleashed in the hands of the most dangerous president in american history, who's actively devoted the fomenting political violence and ending liberal democracy in

this country. so, good for you, mark zuckerberg, joining all your money to charity, trying to get all these good marks, a literally selling america down the river into autocracy. but -- >> we know what you think of facebook, anand. >> where i would agree with the congressman's, -- this is, whether, not the environment the political left is in. it's an environment in which one platform or another, maybe of them, are gonna invite the stuff back. these bureaucrats are gonna stand with donald trump eventually for business reasons. i think the sea of disinformation is was it is, as much as you and i might play. actually think the left needs to move beyond the hope of banning things, investigating and indicting people, deploring and getting mad. i think the only way to beat this menace is to out-compete it. is to outcompeted, out organize it, and build a bigger, more

attractive, more passionate movement than that movement. and the reality is -- that's at the heart of what the persuadable is about -- i don't think such movement as what we have right now. i think it's what we could have. but i think at some level, complaining to the ref in this environment is not a winning strategy. >> i'm not ready to give up on the idea that trump being re-platform is a dangerous idea that maybe should be dealt with. >> i think it should be. i just don't think it will be, because we've been waiting for mommy or daddy to come save us for years. no one has come to save us. >> for two years, he wasn't on the platform. there was a measure taken. and that was a meaningful measure, to not have him on twitter, to not have him on facebook, to not have him be able to advertise off of poisonous lies that are destroying democracy. there was a meaningful step which is now being reversed. and i want to ask if you think there's any chance, and i think i now know what your answers gonna be here, that facebook

has the, quote unquote, keepers of the guard rails, we'll do what they need to do. or whether the standards they or setting at the beginning of this at the right ones. i want to take more sound from hallie jackson's interview with nick clegg? she's a sickly press's neck clegg on what exactly the threshold is at which trump will be deplatformed again. this is that exchange. >> it sounds to me like what you're saying is, if former president trump delegitimizes the next election by lying about it, that's not enough to get him suspended. he'd have to go further and do something that you believe would create real world and imminent harm. fair? >> yes. there's a distinction between accuracy and harm. people talk nonsense on the internet all the time. people say things that i have to, or not true at all. we're not a truth police. we haven't been and will never seek to be. but we do have an obligation in a responsibility to make sure that people don't use our apps

and our services and way which can lead to real world harm, violence, and so on. that's where we draw the line. >> we are now the truth police. and he sees a real church and state between people saying crazy things on the internet and real world violence and crime. but there's not a linkage between the two. but we know factually that's not true. trump to crime the fbi four the raid on mar-a-lago leads aid to be two anand going to a cincinnati -- man going to his cincinnati office and trying to harm lawmakers with a nail gun. -- truth social-ing about january six being a false flag operation at the hands of the fbi, there's a meaningful consequence to these lies. and yes, that seems lost on the officials over at meta. what more evidence to people need that harmful rhetoric and the world of trump often leads to actual him? harm? >> i think there's just no doubt of that connection. and, a lot of the people who could educate us about that are dead right now, because of that

incitement over the last many years. but here's the thing. this isn't a social media problem alone. it's a big business problem in the age of trump. if you are regular person watching this who does not own or run a massive company, you have witnessed over the last six or seven years, big companies in this country facing twice when there is a rising authoritarian, increasingly vicious stick freshest movement on offer, on the ballot, that is, yes, doing some good things for big business when it actually is in power, do big businesses that store your money, you, know that fly you places, that are where you trust for your work and kids lives, and whatever else businesses do for us -- through those businesses defend just the basic idea that you should live in a free society? and it turns out, almost none of them have moral lines. when you're illustrating tonight is one kind of

expression of what we have realized across the financial sector, across the aviation sector, across every sector in this country. none of these bills and businesses will put the people watching this about their own bottom line shareholder interests. and, so facebook is gonna so last down the river and it's incredible that these people in the silicon valley, like mark zuckerberg -- we talked about liberating the world, talked about empowering people. cheryl sandberg sold that lean in book, telling women thousands of years of patriarchy was actually just a posture problem. they leaned and raise their hand more, they could overcome it, while some the country down to a misogynistic, authoritarian leader. i mean, these people aren't gonna save us. i say to you again, i think the only answer is building a bigger, more powerful, attractive movement and the other side. everything else is a distraction. >> anand giridharadas, msnbc political analyst and author of the persuaders, thank you for

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problem is, not everyone's fully living in it. nobody should have to take a class or fill out a medical form on public wifi with a screen the size of your hand. home internet shouldn't be a luxury. everyone should have it and now a lot more people can. so let's go. >> he admitted to lying. the digital age is waiting.

are you standing by him simply because if he resigned, that could cost you his seat? >> now. you know i am standing by him? because it's constituents voted for him. now, i will hold him to the same standard i hold anyone else. >> those house speaker kevin mccarthy attempting to clarify his decision to stand by republican congressman george santos despite the incredible web of lies george santos has spun about everything from his volleyball stardom, to his nba, to his wall street career, who is brain tumor, to his survival of an assassination attempt. and yesterday, santos made a significant revision to his 2022 campaign filings, specifying that a 500,000 dollar loan he made to his campaign didn't actually come from his personal funds as he had said earlier. and now, i like the volleyball lies in the fake assassination attempts, the campaign finance violations have the potential

to land santas and some serious legal jeopardy. so with all that in mind, what does the leader of the gop caucus, kevin mccarthy, what does he do with the problem like george santos? yesterday, mccarthy vowed to hold santos to the same standards he holds other members of congress. let's look at those standards. after republicans were claimed the house majority in 2010 in the midterm elections, party leaders, including kevin mccarthy, and zero tolerance policy from members caught up in embarrassing controversies. those standards were quickly put to the tests. and for barry of 2011, then republican congressman chris lee of new york is caught trying to meet women through the personal's section of craigslist. do you remember this one? there was no delay in this case. no standing by chris lee. republicans wanted chris lead lee gone and chris lee resigned. don, in 2014, republican congressman vance mcalister of louisiana was filmed kissing a staffer who was not his wife. kevin mccarthy and his fellow

gop friends, they said, no, you gotta go. and mr. mcallister resigned. those standings, less than a -- decade later, standards have been lowered a lot. kevin mccarthy didn't just hold that press conference yesterday to tell the country he was basically okay for now, or maybe forever, with george santos's lies. he also told the press about's decision to kick democratic congressman adam schiff and eric swalwell off the house intelligence committee because they, quote, lied to the american public, and because, quote, integrity matters to kevin mccarthy. mccarthy also told his republican colleagues in a closed-door meeting today that he also intends to remove democratic congressman -- ilhan omar because of past comments she made about israel. comments, but the, way she has since apologized for. george santos, meanwhile, a serial liar with potential campaign finance violations and

it completely fabricated resume, and that same closed-door meeting, kevin mccarthy told his conference that george santos will continue serving on two committees unless the house ethics committee determines he's broken a law. because, you, know integrity matters. joining us now to discuss all this is democratic congressman for new york 16 congressional district, jamal bowman. congressman, it's good to see you. how is the mood inside the democratic caucus as we see these decisions on the part of the speaker of the house? >> the democratic caucus is focused, laser-like focus, on winning the house back in 2024. we're gonna do everything in our power to implement the legislation that we passed, the historic legislation that we've passed, over the last two years. so that is our focus. we're also gonna continue -- contrast between the

dysfunctional sir's -- what's dangerous as republicans are engaging in psychological warfare against the american people. they consistently lie, they consistently mislead, they consistently use misinformation to act as if that is the way you're supposed govern. and what it does, it creates fear, it creates uncertainty, and it creates frustration amongst the american people, and at least the american people to further distrust their elected officials, and turns them away from the political process. what does that lead to? that leads to people not voting, which is the only way republicans can win. they can't -- lie, mislead, create fear, dysfunction in chaos.

look at what happened january 6th. and now, they're forming this sham committee to investigate absolutely nothing, and they allow santos to save on committees while going after freedom recurrence who have more character and integrity and leadership in their pinky finger than kevin mccarthy has had over his entire career. >> i fully appreciate it, and i think it's not said enough, the really cancerous effect that all this lying and deceit and while poisoning as an american democracy. it fundamentally makes us a less participatory democracy. people get so disgusted and turned off by the circus that they say, what's the point? and that is pernicious, right? that's a deeply cynical strategy, if that indeed is the strategy of the gop. but it also seems to be this weird, as you pointed out, psyops against democrats. they looked at everything democrats did, whether it was investigating interference, whether it's looking at national security and january 6th, and they decided to flip

it on its head. and now, when the strange upside down parallel universe where republicans are basically just spending their time in congress gaslighting democrats. my question to you as, they've gotta be freshman. they've gotta be swing district congress people inside the caucus, the republican caucus, who are looking at this and saying, this is insane. is there any conversation happening between democrats and the republicans who see what's going on and are saying, this is how we lose power? >> so, yes. that's something that gives me optimism, and gives me hope. as we are going through the process of the 15 votes that led to speaker mccarthy, there are republicans walking over to the democrat side, walking over to people like me and telling me, this is b s. the far-right in our party, they've already received all of the concessions that they wanted, and they're still dragging this thing out for attention, for fund raising, for whatever else they want to have the american people focus

on. so there are still some principal republicans that actually want to govern. some, not a lot. there's still too many maga republicans, still too many extremist republicans. i have republicans now coming up to me from different parts of the country, rural parts of the country, we want to have coffee, i want to sit down, want to get to know me and build relationships. that's what leadership is. that's what governing is. unfortunately, there are too many republicans that are still beholden to trump, maga, qanon, january 6th, and now mccarthy and jim jordan, and god only knows where they're gonna take us. one other thing i wanna mention, the more dysfunctional we are, the more we give power to the corporatocracy and the wealthy elite in our country control members of congress in the first place because of big money and dark money in politics. those are the donors who support many of the republicans for talking about. so, this is an insidious plan

that is, sort of almost an insurrection within -- it's similar to the insurrection that happened without on january 6th. >> also, the more you after atrophy the federal government, the more power is in private actors, including maga megan corporations. we'll set that aside for a moment. i've just gotta ask, you mention marjorie taylor greene, who is now sitting on one of the committees that is tasked with examining the covid crisis. this is someone who is literally suspended from social media for promoting covid lies. i mean -- the foxes not only in the house. the fox has built this henhouse and is sitting on top of it. then, you have dan bishop, who's now sitting on the weaponization of the federal government committee. these committees are -- i, mean they are gonna be circuses, of course, but congress needs -- congress has business to do. my question is, what is the attitude of democrats who are in the minority, or as he did on some of these committees -- what is the posture going to be

as the clowns run the clown show? >> first of all, i wish marjorie taylor greene was still on the education and workforce committee so i could eviscerate her when she comes with the nonsense on that committee. but my colleagues are going to eviscerate them on those committees as well. because they're gonna continue to come with misinformation, alternative facts, lack of pure reviewed research, and my colleagues gonna shred them. and it's going to happen publicly. that's the only positive thing about this. to your point, we have business to do involving our democracy towards what it can be. and this republican house is gonna show that it doesn't have the ability to do that. so what we have to do that's gonna help us win back the house in 2024? it's gonna help us to grow our numbers in the senate, because we have to evolve our democracy overall, and deal with the issue of democracy reform,

inequality, women's right to choose, real gun legislation that bans assault rifles, and so many other areas of policy that we have to work on that this party is incapable of working on, because they're so beholden to remnants and tenets of white supremacy. >> democratic congressman for new york's 16th congressional district, part of the new york delegation that as congressman george santos in. allowed to get those stories from you. later congressman jamaal bowman, thanks for your time is always. >> thank you so much. >> just ahead, ron desantis wants to decide how african american studies should be taught in florida schools, and today, he received a legal warning from florida educators, state lawmakers, and students. that is next. .

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-- community of half moon bay california had its first appearance in court. there's inevitably gonna be a lot of discussion about the shooter's motive and of course his mental state, but that discourse shouldn't happen in a vacuum. it's important to zoom out of it. in 2019, there was a shooting at a torrents, california bowling alley that left for -- three dead and four injured. by now, you've seen the video of the monterey park shooter being found in his white van by police the morning after

killing 11 and wounding nine others on saturday night. that man was found just about 500 feet from the side of that 2019 shooting, which is a two minute walk. you don't have to park. things like this happen so often, that kind of proximity is almost bound to happen. according to the gun violence archive -- were 25%. there have been 40 mass shootings. now, you can examine the motives on the mental health issues of mass shooters forever, and you will find overlaps. but like this parking lot in torrents, california, that is not the causal factor here. this parking lot is not somehow a magnet for mass shootings. the shootings just happen that often. the one through line here, the thing that she -- every mess shooting in this country is that guns are easy to obtain. and -- then senator kamala harris said

that her hearts broke for the victims of the torrance, california shooting. tonight, vice president kamala harris is again responding to another california mass shooting. she brought flowers to the site of the shooting earlier, and is now meeting privately with families of the victims. as she was leaving the site of that shooting, she had this to say. >> can this congress do anything? >> they absolutely can. they have the power to. can they do something? yes. should they do something? yes. will they do something? that is where we all must speak up. >> we'll be right back.

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the confederacy set outside the manatee county's store courthouse in bradenton florida. it honors the traders who lost the civil war. so mom jackson, robert ailey, and jefferson davis. it was a gift to the local chapter of the night united daughters of the confederacy who unveiled it 1924 and elaborate event is an orchestra played suwannee river, a popular minstrel song at the time, on the courthouse lawn. this tribute came almost 60 years after the end of the civil war. united daughters of the confederacy helped lead the effort to shift the narrative of the civil war by rewriting and sanitizing american history and literature after the civil war. in 2017, after the deadly protests over the robert e. lee statue in charlottesville, virginia, the county convict commissioners in manatee voted

4 to 3 to remove the confederate statue and put it in an equally prominent respectful location. but gravity had other plans. the monument toppled over as it was removed from its pedestal and it broke into pieces, which were then placed in storage. five years later, manatee county now has some new commissioners, all republicans, who have voiced support for an effort to not only put the pieces of that confederate memorial back together, but to re-install it at the manatee county historic courthouse. that matter is now listed as an agenda item for the county commissioners meeting next tuesday, where may come up for a vote and it may very well pass. manatee county could find itself in the unique position of erecting a monument to the confederacy in the year 2023. because those century old efforts to shift the narrative of the civil war, those efforts are alive and well in the state of florida. last spring florida governor ron desantis signed into law a bill that requires schools to publish lists of all school library content and requires a

state chosen specialist to choose all reading materials. if rhonda this hand us believes that a book will indoctrinate florida youths educators can be slapped with a felony if that's on the library shelf. that law is in effect this semester, which is why manatee county classroom library shelves that once looked like that have transformed this week to this. books papered over with a sticky note that says closed by order of the governor. that's where the library shelf used to be. this tactic the governor desantis is using, policing american education, is straight out of the playbook of the united daughters of the confederacy. that is the mantle the governor desantis has picked up more than a century later. and this week governor desantis rejected a new high school advanced placement course on

african american studies because he said he believed it pushed an agenda and that it lacked educational value. but today civil rights attorney ben crump alongside a group of florida students threatened to file a lawsuit over the desantis administration's decision to reject that ap course on african american studies. >> no one rhonda fandos or anybody can exterminate black history in the classrooms across america. what this really is about is saying you cannot exterminate us. you cannot exterminate our culture. and you can never exterminate the value of our children to this world. >> joining us now is frederik ingraham, secretary treasurer of the american federation of teachers and former president of the florida education association. he also spoke at that press

conference today. mr. ingraham at, thank you for being here tonight. let me start with what you have heard from teachers who are in the classrooms trying to navigate this treacherous terrain. >> sure, listen, thank you for having me. as a floridian, i'm embarrassed. as a parent i'm appalled, and as an educator i'm concerned. that's really what we are hearing from educators but this is not the first strike or below to african americans or the education system or to teachers at large. this is one of many steps that ron desantis has done. he has banned books in florida. he has tried to suppress teacher voices. he has tried to take over school boards. this is just one of the many idioms he is doing to try and educate some of our children and not educate others. this is appalling. this is something we should be concerned about because he is putting politics squarely on the backs of children, squarely

on the backs of our hardworking teachers, my colleagues, who we should be talking about a value system. we should be talking about what our student, even our communities, need the books there, reading the curriculums that we need actually to educate our children, and we're talking about ron desantis banning and ap african american course between the window of the conviction of -- and the beginning of black history month. what an insult to african americans at large, and how concerned we should be as a society. >> and the timing, of it if you pointed, out is so egregious, on the eve of black a story month, but i guess i wonder, as we talk about all of this, there is the new jersey has enacted, which are specific and pernicious, but there is also the climate of fear that he has established, which casts a wider net over the classroom, does it not?

it's not that he has banned every book, but he has made it so that teachers are now self censoring their lessons but be not even dealing with school libraries, not even wanting to loan out books from fear of being slapped with a felony. what are they telling you about how they can actually teach in an environment like this? >> listen, our history is good, bad, in some ugly. all we want to do is teach the truth. we want to give kids the information so they can grow up and be good deciders in our society, so that we can make decisions that that are in the best interests of themselves, nor communities, and learn to give back to our democracy. that's what teachers ultimately wanted that's what we want for every single kid. but teachers are scared right now. we have history teachers who don't know whether to teach slavery or reconstruction or civil rights and what exactly is gonna get them in trouble. we've got a gotcha kind of politics going on where ron desantis is taking over school

boards, where ron desantis is trying to strong amara hardworking teachers and, by the way, our teachers are speaking with the feet because we have over 5000 classrooms in the state of florida that do not have a certified teacher. and that is direct connection to what is happening to our classrooms by this administration. >> so teachers are leaving classroom because they don't want to deal with this. and one of the students? what about the students who don't get to slavery that year, don't learn about reconstruction, don't learn about the civil rights era? it's not like you can just -- where are they going for information? >> this is a democracy. we should be concerned that our students get all the information that they need. so let me highlight to you where they are getting african american history. we have four very prestigious hbcus in the state of florida, and i'm very proud of what they are doing to teach that african american history. but this is an ap african american history class that

should be offered as an option to our students in our high schools. it would take our best and brightest students to take this class. they would have to be interested. they would have to self select this class and not having an equal opportunity to take that classes doing a disservice to the students. in fact, when you don't know what your history is, in many cases, and i'm paraphrasing, you have failed and are doomed to repeat that history, so we don't wanna repeat bad history, what we want to do is educate our kids and ap african american history is american history. black people, african americans, have been at the very fabric and fiber of everything that is good in this country, from perseverance, to making sure that we promote our culture through song and dance and art and culture and the sciences and education. and so as -- as mary mcleod bethune would tell you, one of the greatest educators i've ever known, and a floridian, would tell you leave these children with love. leave them with a sense of, a

zeal so that they never lose their thirst for building a better world. we do that through our classrooms and schools and education. >> frederick ingram, former president of the florida education association. mr. ingraham, thank you for your time tonight good luck in the struggle. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> we'll be right back. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. and it's easier than ever to■ get your projects done right. inside, outside, big or small, angi helps you find the right so for whatever you need done. with angi, you can connect with and see ratings and reviews. just search or scroll to see upf on hundreds of projects. and when you book and pay throug you're covered by our happiness it's easy to make your home an a check out angi.com today. angi... and done.

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evening. we will see you again tomorrow. and now it's time for the last word, with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good, evening alex. i want to have a guessing game with the audience here. and because they don't have an audience in this room, you are the audience, okay? >> i like being the audience. here's the thing. you are wicked smart. so i do want you to guess the