good afternoon. i'm peter alexander in for chris jansing. as we come on the air, we are following that breaking news out of memphis. all five police officers involved this the fatal confrontation case of 29-year-old tyre nichols are behind bars. in a few hours, we're expecting a live update from the shelby county da. former prosecutor paul butler is joining us. we have a reporter on the ground who is there. we'll the get to her in a moment too. paul, i want to walk tokes through what happened. we know about the death of of tyre nichols. he was attacked by these officers. the family has seen video of what happened. this happened earlier in the month on january 7th. he ended up dying three days later. the police chief this memphis there has called the actions of the five officers, all of whom happen to be black, saying that it was heinous, reckless and

inhumane and making a plea to the residents of that city to protest peacefully when video of the arrest is released to the public, which is expected to happen today. the breaking news is that these five individuals, who were fired a matter of days ago, have now all been taken into custody. your take aways about the situation here and the way this investigation is progressing? >> the officers were fired almost immediately for using excessive force and violating their responsibilities to intervene when one officer is doing something illegal or criminal, other officers are required to stop that person, as they would any other criminal. the police department alleges that in this instance, those officers violated that duty. they also had a duty to render aid to mr. nichols, which they also violated. so it's not surprising given the

quickness with which the department was responsible for firing these guys that now we're seeing criminal charges. in addition, an autopsy commissioned by the family says that mr. nichols died of extensive bleeding caused by a severe beating. he bled out basically based on what the police did. and these cases often there's a debate about whether what the officers did was actual cause of the death. so if there's a trial, i expect that to be an issue. but again, criminal charges aren't that surprising given what we think the video shows. soon, we'll all see it. and given how quickly they were discharged by the police department. >> and real concerns this that community as they anticipate the release of that video. ben crump, the attorney who represents the nichols family

and was among those saw the video says that the video shows the 29-year-old fedex worker ask father was shocked, pepper sprayed and restrained when he was pulled over for a traffic stop near his home. we're also joined by antonia hylton on the ground in tennessee. we were opportunitying this to be a tense day in that community. obviously, developments are occurring rapidly right now with the expectation we're going to hear from the da in the not too distant future. can you take us there and tell us what more you're learning. >> reporter: hey, peter. it's not just a tense day. it's been a tense several days here, as i have been on the ground talking to residents. i have spoken to members of the police department here. and there's immense hurt. there's also some gratitude that it appears that action has been taken swiftly. people have been talking about the potential for criminal charges for awhile.

so this community is going to hear this news that nbc news ask others have confirmed that these five officers are in custody and facing criminal charges. and we also understand that while we're going to hear more about this at 2:00 p.m. local time, 3:00 p.m. eastern presser, that the the video we're likely going to get tomorrow. people here are grateful for this. while this is incredibly painful, it touches on all of the stories that you and i have covered many times of the lack of trust between communities, particularly black communities and lis. there's a recognition here that the police department acted very quickly in not just putting them on administrative leave, not just saying for awhile they were going to investigate, but very quickly firing these officers. also, two members of the fire department being put immediately on leave and under investigation as well. there's a recognition that there are local, state, and federal agencies here who are promising this community they are going to

give them a full report soon of what happened here. so some of the tenseness, some of the anger is tempered by what they feel is a respect that they are receiving from authorities in the case which black community members say in some ways it's a surprise to them. they come to these stories time and time again expecting to be stone walled, expecting to get very little information, expecting to have to beg. this time at least there's a silver lining they feel like there's been talk about the new police chief, who has been in her job for a relatively short amount of time, just how quickly and effectively she has communicated to the community. there's appreciation for that. but people are bracing for the reality that this video is expected to be horrific not just for people locally to process, but likely for the entire country. >> that police chief promising full and complete cooperation with the state and federal authorities. the expectation is we would see that video publicly likely tomorrow.

the pledge had been made by authorities it would happen over the course of this week or next week, but it could happen now within the next 24 hours or so. paul, we expect to hear later this afternoon from attorneys for at least two of those five officers we're going to hear from the da. what are you going to be listening for as we hear from that district attorney shortly? >> peter, we know that the traditional tactic of defense attorneys in cases like this is to blame the victim. we expect we'll hear a lot about mr. nichols and what he did and not as much about the police officers and what they did. i do think that there's a lot more confidence in the criminal legal system. that maybe why there won't be a violent reaction to the video as sickening as it will be to watch. we have seen convictions and

high-profile cases, derek chauvin convicted of murder in the case in chicago. so with more confidence in the criminal legal system and more officers being prosecuted for excessive force, i think that we will see a peaceful reaction in memphis. >> i think all americans agree that's what we hope to see as well. thank you. we'll check in with you as we learn anything more. those five officers accused for their roles in the death of of tyre nichols earlier this month are now in custody. we'll have the lateest when we hear from the district attorney coming up as well. there's another headline we're watching here today. that's president biden, who is heading to virginia, just across the river, later this hour with a potentially huge opportunity

in front of him. he's going to try to contrast the better than expected economic progress on his watch with what the white house is calling irresponsible fiscal plans coming from house republicans. that includes demanding deep spending cuts this exchange for raising the debt ceiling, a strategy that speaking kevin mccarthy agreed to pursue in exchange for votes during the negotiations over his speakership. but republicans have not been specific about what kind of cuts they want leaving democrats and president biden to fill in the blanks. >> what is your plan to address your concerns? is it to radically cut social security? show us the plan. radically cut medicare? show us the plan. >> if they want to enact broad and deep cuts to medicare and social security, and that's their starting point, then that's not anything we're going to entertain.

>> those are the words of hakeem jeffries and pete aguilar, two of the top democrats in the house. and many have said social security and medicare should not be touched. that would make their goal of balancing the budget nearly impossible. take a look at this estimate. it shows that if you leave entitlements and defense spending alone, don't do anything to it, you would have to cut 85% of everything else in order to make it work. i want to bring in carol lee, who covers the white house with me. matthew doud, senior political analyst. and simone townsend, former spokesperson for vice president kamala harris. the president sees an opportunity here. he's trying to draw a sharp contrast with republicans, kind of test driving this message for what is a possible reelection campaign. what do we anticipate we're going to hear from him? >> i think according to the

white house, what you're going to hear from the president is that contrast of the president trying to make the case that republicans are pushing for proposals that would hurt middle class americans, while the president is focused on implementing laws he passed or his first two years in office, that he says are going to continue to show benefits to the american people. and pointing to some of those numbers that you have referenced in terms of economic data. he's also going to announce this invest in america cabinet that's what the white house is calling it. essentially, this is members of the president's cabinet, secretaries of energy, transportation, commerce, other agencies that have a piece of these laws that the president signed that are going to be implemented. the goal here, according to the white house s for these secretaries to keep that momentum up on the economy. and to focus on implementing the provision this is these laws. all of of this comes against

that backdrop of the president who is likely and expected to be gearing up for a 2024 campaign. >> i want to read for you what one of our colleagues wrote about this box that republicans are finding himself in. he wrote, republicans are divide over whether medicare and social security spending should be on the chopping block. they are split over whether military funding should be on the table they are firmly oppose ed to new tax revenues to reduce the debt. they are willing to cut spending, but that's a limited slice of the budget pie that would not fulfill many demands to balance the budget. if they can't figure out what they are asking for, how does that bode for negotiations over the debt ceiling going forward? >> well, they built the box they are in. and they have built it over the time over the last few years. what's striking to me, you add all what you just said and laid out how they created this box they really can't get out of,

they have also tried to brand themselves as fiscal conservatives, but through the entire trump presidency, they had no desire, zero desire when the deficit grew at the largest rate it's grown in our history. zero desire to reign in any spending and anything that would bring the budget closer to balance in that time frame. i don't think they care about governing. i think they care about making statements. i think this is why the white house and the democrats are smart to keep saying just tell us what you're doing. instead of the white house and the house democrats offering details or here's a plan out of this. make the republicans do what they are unwilling to do, which is form a sense of governance and then present it. because i don't think they want to do that. >> then there's the hypocrisy. a lot of the conservatives fine with raising the debt ceiling when donald trump was president

is saying they will not do it. >> yeah, first, on tyre nichols, it's important to note being pulled over by police officer if you're black, you should not wonder if you'll leave that traffic stop alive. he should be alive today. on the budget and hypocrisy, under president trump, republicans raised the debt ceiling three times without any fanfare. and president trump contributed to the deficit by more than double digits. the debt ceiling is always a fight. what makes this different is we are very close to completely appending our economic system as we know it. defaulting on our bills. the conversation that's being had out there is disengine wous, but it's confusing for the

american public. if you don't do this every day, the professionals here, the reporters on this panel are in the weeds of it. but the american people are not. it's not clear to folks that this is not about new spending. i asked who was on the president's council of economic advisers what comes next because they have said the white house is not negotiating. if republicans are not moving and the white house not negotiating, how does this end. they didn't really have an answer. >> as we talk about this, there's also talk about a republican bill that would abolish the irs, would impose 30% national sales tax. the democrats, obviously, pounsed on that. here's what kevin mccarthy said when asked about it. >> do you support the fair tax? >> no. >> you can hear him say no there. he does not support this. but the fair tax, as it's

described, the democrats view as real opportunity to try to pounce on the republican suggestion that a 30% sales tax would be the way to get the revenue they are looking for while not having this income tax that democrats say should be targeting the most wealthy in this country. what do you make of the messaging here by the republicans and this box that they are in? >> it's both fiscal and political insanity that they would be proposing this in the middle of this. i think the president, and i think he's going to in his talk, has a great opportunity not only to lay out all the ways the economy is growing, but then present the idea that where our economy can still go under. here's how it can go under, which is incredible dysfunction on what the republicans are proposing or pushing for both on the debt ceiling and on this crazy is sales tax that would raise every person's tax, but more specifically people of middle and low income by much larger degrees than people of

higher income. but i have not -- watching the republicans the last few years, i cannot find a strategy this what they are doing that is as open to the the majority of the american public. so when you're crazy is, you say crazy things. >> americans historically have trusted republicans for the issue of the economy more than they have democrats. is it a mistake for democrats to think this time would be different? >> think we need to ask ourselves why that is. it is because republicans have very good talking points. they have done a great job positioning themselves as the party who is good on the economy it was good on taxes. who fights for the little guy. if we look at the policies, that has not beared itself to be true. so what democrats have to do is continue to call things out, have their facts, but also to talk about what they have done or are doing to effect people's pocketbooks. i think we saw a lot of that

from democrats toward the end of last year. i think that's what we're going to continue to hear from all of them. s especially from the white house on down from the president today. >> let me ask about thus reporting you broke here on nbc. the president is considering taking a trip to europe, perhaps poland in february to mark the one year anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. this has the opportunity to be a symbolic move on top of the significant expanding of its support in ukraine. as we noted yesterday, the announcement of 31 abrams tanks. what more are you learning about the president and the white house's consideration ahead of the anniversary on february 24th? >> one of the things we're learning is that the president and the white house really want to mark this mileston in a way that is symbolic and significant and that keeps up the momentum

for support for ukraine and isolation of russia. one of the key challenges going forward is the president tries to navigate this is the war appears to be in a position to drag on for some time. the challenges to keep allies together, a trip to europe would allow the president to do some of that personal did you want sit. it would also give him a platform to potentially deliver a speech on where he sees this current phase and where might be going. so the white house sees this as a significant moment and they want the president to mark it in a meaningful way. >> thank you all very much. we want to take you to ukraine briefly where vladimir putin is sending a brutal and destructive he issage to the west for agreeing to send those tanks to help the fight there.

germany will also send about 14 is leopard tanks. that announcement from the west, russian troops unleashed a barrage of missiles overnight across that country. killing 11, wounding at least 11 more, according to officials there. the ukrainian air force says 55 missiles hit several cities, including kyiv trigger air raid sirens and forcing many to seek shelter in metro stations. police body cam footage that is expected to show the attack on nancy pelosi's husband could be made public as early as today. this is after the judge agreed with news organizations that were pushing for the footage to be released along with paul pelosi's 911 call from that night. the suspect was looking for then speaker nancy pelosi when he allegedly attacked her husband paul with a hammer, fracturing

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we're back. democratic frustration with the biden administration spilling out into the open as the classified documents scandal grows. intelligence committee members from both parties were livid after the nation's intel chief, the director of national intelligence, refused to provide details on the classified materials found at president biden and former president trump's properties citing ongoing special counsel investigations. here's democrat intelligence committee chair mark warner. >> every member of the committee, regardless of

democrat or republican, were unanimous in that this position that we are left in limbo until somehow a special counsel dez ugh nats that it's okay for us to do. >> "the washington post" was first to report that the national archives has asked all living former presidents and vice presidents to proactively search for classified materials among their personal records. ali vitali is on capitol hill. jacqueline alamani is reporter for the "washington post," who was first with that story. strong words from democrat asks republicans. we saw marco rubio there. tom cotton played in the video as well. they are all frustrated after the closed-door briefing yesterday. how does this proceed going forward as it becomes a big problem for the biden administration? >> reporter: it can become a problem for the biden administration, but also for former president trump. because they are looking at trying to get a damage assess

the on the documents in both of these cases. quite frankly, probably in the case of former vice president mike pence now too. all of this information is coming out in realtime. the point of the briefing yesterday was not to talk about the documents. it was more of a generalized briefing with the director of national intelligence, but at the same time, every senator went this there armed with questions and coming out very frustrated. senator warner, one of the top members on that committee saying this is an untenable situation. on the republican side, senator cotton saying he's going one step further. he wants to block nominations going forward until he can get some answers. watch. >> i'm prepared to refuse consent or to fast track any nominee from any department or agency and to take every of step i can to impose consequences on the administration until they provide these documents.

>> reporter: they are in lock step, but in terms of this method of trying to get it, senator mur get fist said there were going to be objections. he's not taing this too seriously. what they are taking seriously is the fact that they wantens answers in terms of what was in the documents. >> the latest about the national art kiefs asking all living former presidents and vice presidents to check their records for their classified material that as this letter to the former president and former vps says could have bye-bye taken. >> we reported they were weighing this letter. it was sent to the representatives for former president asks vice presidents. although excluded from this requests was jimmy carter, who is exempt as it came into law after his presidency it's worded

very carefully is exactly as you said. in case some of these former presidents and vice presidents kept some classified documents and government materials that are covered by the pra during what is usually a chaotic move out of the white house that includes dealing with a very large volume of materials, especially for those two termers who are packing up millions of documents at the end of their presidency and have to separate what's personal and what's presidential. this comes after recent class fewed materials were found at former mike pence's house and the current president joe biden. >> the offices of bama, clinton and bush have all saud nothing has chaunged since last fall after they reported that all the classified material was turned over to the national archives but what's sort of unique as we have this conversation is for

senators, for lawmakers allowed to see this type of intelligence, they do it in what we refer to as a skiff. it's a special area that's closed. where they can make sure it's protected. they return it before they depart. but for a president or vice president, they are allowed to view classified intelligence in the white house more broadly and perhaps there aren't the same restriction strixs for the commander-in-chief. >> that's right. we don't know the level of classification exactly that was found so far. at least with the former vice president ask with joe biden, but in a lot of these cases, it is easier for some of these materials to get comingled with personal materials. let's say the former president had decided to take a classified briefing, something labeled top secret up to the residence. when he was done with it discarded with it in the

appropriate manner, but if not, there's the potential that it could get comingled with personal records. the same thing could happen in the oval office. during that big packing up of the office and moving out for an outgoing the president, it's up to his staff and his aids to separate what's covered by the presidential records act and what is personal. in that process, there's sometimes mistakes made. ultimately what it comes down to is how these people handle the recovery of this classified information discovery after the fact. >> the way it was handled by mike pence and joe biden, very different than the way former president trump handled it where his lawyers claim they turned everything over and after a court-ordered serge, they found 103 classified documents at his mar-a-lago property. thank you both. we're going to turn to what is a grow sm story. new details revealed in the alex

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disturbing new details coming to light in the murdaugh murder trial. he's accused of killing his wife and their younger son. the first responder to the scene took the stand as the first witness this this case. share whag he saw when he arrived the night of the grizzlie murders. prosecutors played his graphic body cam footage for the jury showing what he was like at the scene that evening. watch. >> when was the last time you were here with them or talked to hem or anything like that? >> um, it was earlier tonight. don't know the exact time. i left. i was probably gone an hour and a half for hi moms and saw them 45 minutes before that. i rode about for two hours this

afternoon. >> they already checked them. >> they are dead? >> that's what it looks like. >> he pleaded not guilty to all charges. i want to bring in katie beck. she's there this south carolina covering this trial for us. and paul butler is with us. katie, you're there. take us inside the courtroom today. what more did we hear from that first witness? >> reporter: we certainly saw tears again from murduagh. now the credible nature of these detectives, we heard from it two now that responded to the scene. they both seem like they were calm and collected. this was not their first time. they secured the area. the defense questioning whether or not they secured the evidence enough. but some of the key questions asked on the stand, did they see

any tears from him at that scene. the answer was no. it does seem accepting that he was upset and distressed. his breathing was labored that night, but in terms of physical tears, they didn't see any. here's some of that questioning from the stand. >> did you observe any visible blood on him? >> there was no blood on him that could see. >> the bodies, a as you saw them, was there a lot of blood around them given the injuries they suffered? >> yes, there was a pool of blood around each of the bodies that extended out from the body. >> reporter: as said, the defense sort of questioning whether or not they took every recaution to secure that evidence. also introducing that theory they did yesterday in opening staumts that perhaps investigators weren't being shrewd enough in terms of considering another possible suspect, that they were already

in the mind set that this was their guy before doing any investigating. >> i want to bring paul into the conversation. the lead prosecutor shared that bullet casings were found. they matched a, quote, blackout ar-style rifle puchased by murdaugh. one of the key pieces of evidence that we know of so far is cell phone video. this was cell phone video that the son sent to a friend just before the shooting. in the video, it picks up both his parents voices. that's important here. despite the fact that alec said he was not there. so talk about the challenge for the prosecution in this case given there's some evidence that they don't have, which would be a murder weapon, but also some of evidence that does help them try to piece this together. >> this is a tough case for prosecutors because all of their evidence is circumstantial. what they are identifying as his

motive may not purr suede all jurors. they don't have the firearm that was used. the defense says prosecutors don't have a moive either. prosecutors claim that mur daug culled these victims to deflect attention from his own legal troubles that he was trying to create sympathy. they have to get jurors to buy that theory. some might have a difficult time believing that he killed his wife and one of his sons, especially in the brutal way that they died. the prosecution compared it to an execution. >> a lot of the questions right now surrounding the idea this may have been an effort for him to try to disguise allegations for embezzlement. he was a prominent name in that community. i want to ask about another headline we're watching. the stories in louisiana, the justice department is now found

that the state's did the of public safety and corrections violates the constitution by incarcerating people beyond their release date. "the new york times" writes the department citing evidence uncovered by lawyers representing incarcerated people that the state has third down about the problem for a decade and has done little to address it. i want to get your reaction. and second, what is it going. >> you do the time but in louisiana, people have done thundershower time and they are still not being allowed to come home. there's simply no excuse for that. in terms of what it will take, strong federal oversight. louisiana has proven that it's not capable of operating its prisons in a way that's fair and that meets the standard of equal justice under the law. so the feds have to step in in a way that's stronger than what they have done in the past.

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challenge from the the far right. mcdaniel, who was hand picked by donald trump for the role, is looed account the three-day winter meeting in southern california. and a key item on tomorrow's agenda, a vote to pick the party's next leader. mcdaniel's biggest competition appears to be from an rnc member who leads the republican national lawyers association and once represented trump. also pushing for that role, the mike lindell. jon hilliard is live from the site of that meeting. sort of the head to head here is dillon against mcdaniel, who would be going for a two-year term. this is like a proxy for the fight. not so much the one from moderates, but a potential for sort of a donald trump versus

ron desantis fight. what just happened today? >> reporter: right. not unlike the speaker's race that we saw earlier this month, where kevin mccarthy, who you wouldn't say is anything short of an ally at the likes of donald trump or the conservative effort here over the last several years, yet not being challenged by a moderate wing of the party instead is being challenged by the right. and dillon is making the case to these rns members who will be voting 24 hours from now that they should go with her after three terms in which republicans arguably had disappointing turnout and losses. what you saw here is about $400 million raised and spent by the rnc in the last cycle alone. you saw them just narrowly lose the senate. and the argument is that on a structural level. she was standing next to kari lake.

where this conference is taking place. but she's making the case that they need to focus on how to win under the voting rules that do exist. one of those being that early voing is a thing. mail voting is a thing and they need to target the voters to get their ballots in early. because they have essentially seated ground by not playing within the rules that state legislatures have crafted over the last couple years here. on the election integrity front, she believes that the the rnc should invest more money toward legal battles including kari lake's race and that they should go into court and argue these cases here. ask that is where over the next 24 hours she's going to have to woo several more individuals to jump ship because mcdaniel coming into this weekend had a majority of the members who committed but now just in the last hour, ron desantis is getting in the middle of this. donald trump has not picked sides. they are throwing their race

that they are a disappointing outcomes over the last three term asks it's time for republicans when they go ask voters to donate to them, it's time for them to get the commitment that there's new leadership and that that resources are going to be spent with a different purpose. >> it does say something that ron desantis, who could be the toughest challenger to former president trump is siding with the rnc chair candidate who is further to the right of mcdaniel. i want to ask you about the significance of this challenge. if you think it's viable here and what it tells us about the state of the republican party as we anticipate the 2024 election. >> i think vaughn's news that he just mentioned that ron desantis decided to weigh in, i think could have some effect. my guess is having gone through these before when i worked for president bush in the midst of that, is these things are very insider baseball.

it's 168 members. usually the chair does a lot of care in feeding of those individual members and doesn't have to do a lot. they need 85 votes to become chair. what's amazing to me, what's really amazing to me under any normal circumstances, mcdaniel would be gone. she became chair. she lost badly in 2018. she really lost again in 2022. and the interesting thing about mcdaniel is she made mention she's from michigan. first time in 40 years. to me the argument is over somebody that incompetently ran the rns versus people who that were so far right that their candidates they supported

couldn't win. that choice is such a bizarre thing to me that somebody hasn't surfaced. that's sort of a normal human being that knows how to run elections. but the choice is that and that really is reflective of the republican party. >> we appreciate your expertise and your perspective. thank you. next trump's social media comeback. the former president allowed back on facebook and instagram. why the company says they made the decision amid his push for the presidency. (bridget vo) with thyroid eye disease... i hid from the camera. and i wanted to hide from the world. for years, i thought my t.e.d was beyond help... ...but then i asked my doctor about tepezza. (vo) tepezza is the only medicine that treats t.e.d. at the source not just the symptoms. in a clinical study, more than 8 out of 10 patients taking tepezza had less eye bulging. tepezza is an infusion. patients taking tepezza may have infusion reactions.

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the white house and facebook that raked in $160 million in 2020 from ads bought by trump and his allies. jonathan lemire, the white house bureau chief for "politico," host of "way too early" on nbc and fortunately for us an msnbc political analyst here, jonathan, we tend to focus a lot on twitter of trump's platform of choice, 34 million people following him on facebook as well, and how significant is this reinstatement? twitter, he steered clear of even though he they said he could come back because he is focused on truth social but facebook he weaponized or used to his advantage to try to get into the homes of a lot of americans that he needed to bring out to support him. >> no question there, peter. facebook really, this is his war chest. that's how he raised money and that's why it is so significant. a lot of the small dollar donors ended up clicking on the donald trump website to toe nate money to his campaign through facebook. so that's why that is so important. and you're right, he didn't use facebook as a mega phone like he used twitter, but it is still

vitally important, and per trump, good timing here, because he has launched a 2024 campaign, which sort of stalled for a few months, but he's got a couple of events coming up and it finally looks like he will be up and going. and nbc news has reported that he is indeed planning a return to twitter soon as well. he hasn't posted yet but on both twitter and facebook, he has tens of millions of more followers than he ever obtained on truth social, so that's why those things matter as he starts to launch a campaign, as for guardrails, we'll wait and see. i don't know what more evidence facebook/meta needs that this could potentially be problematic. >> the effort of guardrails is clearly failed in every turn here but to that point i want to bring into the conversation that my colleague hallie jackson had with nick kleg, head of global affairs and describing why they made this decision right now. listen. >> so i'm not saying that everything is perfect, no one is but we're saying if you compare it to the circumstances which led to his original suspension, we think the risk to public

safety has materially and significantly receded. but that is also the reason why we are introducing those additional guardrails, to discourage him from breaking our rules going forward, if he chooses to use facebook and instagram again. >> the suggestion that the risk to public safety has sort of receded here seems like a kind of a remarkable one, right, since we're only a couple of years removed from january 6ing in the this country. what do you make of this and what do you hear from inside trump world as he does sort of gear up, he's got rallies coming up over the course of the next several days and we really haven't seen a lot of former president trump since frankly the whole campaign started with the exception of i guess, what was that, the little, what was that picture of him as an astronaut or something to that effect. >> yes, that tease, peter, that's my favorite of that whole collection, astronaut and cowboy, the best two, and yes, no, i think that the claim about guardrails is a dubious one. we'll see. trump world, even though he posted on truth social, bashing

facebook, said hey, it's lost money and that's true, there is a financial part of this, facebook clearly trying to bring more people on to the platform, trying to thwart claims of bias against conservatives as part of this, letting trump back on but as far as trump himself, we will start seeing more of him on facebook, he's got events in new hampshire and south carolina soon, look to see him more frequently, and it is a matter of time before he returns to twitter as well i'm told. >> nfts, another money maker for the former president. jonathan lemire, we appreciate your time and expertise. thank so much. that will do it for me at this hour. we thank you for joining us. "katy tur reports" is here next. "katy tur reports" is here next. my network has gone kaput! (cecily) oh, you tried to save a buck on it? (einstein) i got what i paid for. not so smart. (cecily) nah, you're still a genius. but, there is a smarter way to save. (einstein) oh?! (cecily) switch to verizon! for a limited time, get welcome unlimited for just $25/line. (einstein) $25?! (cecily) and it's guaranteed for 3 years! (einstein) brilliant! (cecily) well, you would know. (einstein) i'm switching! (cecily) i think the bike's probably faster. (vo) now is the best time to switch to verizon. for just $25 a line.

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