has been a lot of anticipation surrounding the tyre nichols investigation. as you know on january 7th, there was an encounter between the 29-year-old tyre nichols and former mpd officers. immediately upon learning about this, the d.a., the district attorney, enlisted the assistance of the tbi to determine if excessive force had been used. since then, the d.a.'s office has worked with tbi, and we will continue to do so. today, you will hear from d.a. mulroy, along with the director of tbi, david reynolds. so i want to just make it very clear, and ask for your understanding, that this is still an ongoing investigation. and so for that reason, there are limits to some of the things, some of the questions

that we can answer. so we ask for your understanding as it relates to that. and i will turn it over to d.a. mulroy and did i mention that we will take questions after, but they will be, we have a really limited amount of time. so thank you. >> thank you, erica. good afternoon, everybody, thank you for coming. i'm joined today, as ms. williams has already said, with the director of the tennessee bureau of investigation, david rauche, as well as assistant director josh melton, i'm also joined by other members of my staff, including mr. brooks, but also most relevant for today, the trial team in the tyre nichols case including paul haggerman and tenisha johnson, another member of the trial team is unavailable. we're here today because of a

tragedy that wounds one family deeply, but also hurts us all. the death of tyre nichols. we understand and acknowledge the grief that the friends and family of tyre nichols are experiencing right now, as well as the great concern throughout all of memphis and shelby county about this case. we met several times this week with the family of tyre nichols. they described an almost perfect son, a cheerful and happy person who enjoyed skateboarding and sunsets over shelby farms park. we're grateful to the family of tyre nichols for their patience as we expedited both the investigation and the consideration of charges in this case, as well as the understanding on the part of the family that premature release of the video could compromise both. and we did work quickly to expedite this investigation. because of the extraordinary nature of the case.

compared to the average investigation and prosecution decisions in a case like this, we worked swiftly, but also fairly, and most importantly, in a way calculated to ensure that we have a strong case. as you might have heard from ms. williams, in this case, and any other officer-involved fatality case, i immediately called in the tbi, so that we could have an interception investigation, i also -- an independent investigation, i also assigned to the newly created justice review unit within my office, which works independently and separately, both from law enforcement and the rest of my staff, to make a truly objective recommendation about whether criminal charges were appropriate. i want to thank the tbi, the justice review unit and the trial team for working swiftly, but thoroughly, under very difficult conditions. earlier today, the grand jury returned indictments against

five former memphis police department officers regarding the death of tyre nichols. these are the same five officers who were previously or recently terminated by the memphis police department. they are currently in custody. they are tadarius beam, he did me tris haley, mem it martin iii, desmond mills jr., and justin smith. the grand jury returns indictments against all five with the same charges, and we had previously met with the family of tyre nichols to go over what these charges were going to be, and that meeting with the family, i think, went rather well. here are the charges. second-degree murder. aggravated assault. aggravated kidnapping. resulting in bodily injury.

aggravated kidnapping involving the possession of a weapon. official misconduct through unauthorized exercise of power. official misconduct through failure to act when there is a duty imposed by law. and official oppression. while each of the five individuals played a different role in the incident in question, the actions of all of them resulted in the death of tyre nichols and they are all responsible. it's important to note, as ms. williams said, that this is still an ongoing investigation and therefore there are limits on what we can say about this case. we ask for everyone's continued patience, as we continue to vigorously seek justice in this case. we also know that the public is very concerned about whether they can see the video about this incident, and the timing of the release of this video of

this incident. i have been in regular contact with the city of memphis, the custodian of that record, and i can tell you that the city will be releasing the video sometime after 6:00 p.m. friday, tomorrow. and that the city of memphis should be making a statement somewhat later on this afternoon, regarding the timing of that release. let me close by saying both to the family of tyre nichols and to the broader community here in memphis and shelby county, we all want the same thing, we want justice for tyre nichols. it's my hope that if there is any silver lining to be drawn from this very dark cloud, it's that perhaps this incident can open a broader conversation about the need for police reform. the world is watching us, and we need to show the world what lessons we can learn from this

tragedy. i'm hopeful that we can show them who i know us to be, a community working towards positive change here in memphis, and shelby county. with that, let me ask director rauch to step forward. >> thank you. good afternoon, i'm the director of the tennessee bureau of investigation. first, and foremost and most important, on behalf of the tennessee bureau of investigation, i want to extend my deepest condolences to the family and friends of tyre nichols. my prayers that god will wrap his comforts arms around you and keep you during this very difficult time. we can't imagine the pain you're experiencing. but let me reaffirm, we are here to pursue truth and justice,

realizing that we should not be here, simply put, this shouldn't have happened. i've been policing for more than 30 years. i've devoted my life to this profession, and i'm grieved. frankly i'm shocked. i'm sickened by what i saw. and what we've learned through our extensive and thorough investigation, i've seen the video, and as was stated, you will, too. in a word, it's absolutely appalling. let me be clear. what happened here does not at all reflect proper policing. this was wrong. this was criminal. the depth and brezth of the charges announced today speaks

to the deliberate and thorough investigation that this case has received. and our work is not finished. we continue to pursue every lead. justice demands it. and our agency exists so that guilt shall not escape nor innocence suffer. to that end, i want to publicly thank our agents, our forensic scientists, our support staff, and our entire team around the state. they worked diligently to expedite this case. we've worked as hard as we could and as quickly as we could to provide a thorough independent, unbiased investigative report to allow the team to make the most informed decision they could regarding these charges. i also want to thank the memphis police department and the city leaders for their cooperation in

this case. which i want to stress is ongoing at this time. thank you. >> questions? >> one at a time. >> one and then two. [ inaudible question ] >> nothing we do today or did today precludes the addition of any further charges regarding any of the people that you mentioned. we're still actively reviewing everything. >> yes. [ inaudible question ]

>> i don't want to go into too much detail. and i suspect that all of your answers a-along those lines will be forthcoming once you have a chance to view the video for yourself. i know that a lot of this has already been publicly released, but there was an initial traffic stop. woe won't comment right now on the presence or legality of the stop, but there was a stop. there was an initial altercation involving several officers and mr. nichols. pepper spray was deployed. the suspect, not the suspect, mr. nichols, fled on foot. there was another altercation at a nearby location, at which the serious injuries were

experienced by mr. nichols. after some period of time of waiting around afterwards, he was taken away by ambulance. beyond that, i don't really think we should go into any further details. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> there was an elapsed peer of time but i believe if you watch the video, you will be able to make that judgment for yourself. i'm trying to give everyone a chance. [ inaudible question ] >> we have no information to disclose about that at this time. i don't know why chief davis isn't here. anything else? [ inaudible question ] >> well, the actual release will be unto the city. my understanding is there will be a conversation of full cam

video, skycam video and body cam video. >> one more question. [ inaudible question ] >> well, so i've read in the newspaper that chief davis has announced a review of those specialized units. i think that's a good idea. i commend chief davis for doing that. i think chief davis is committed to trying to do whatever she can to learn lessons from this incident. i don't contemplate that our office would be involved in that review. i think that's -- >> [ inaudible question ] >> so i think it's already been reported publicly that the scorpion unit was involved. is that it? okay. i'm being told that's it. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you.

[ inaudible question ] >> explaining the law, i don't think is at all -- all right, so kidnapping is any unlawful confinement of another, which substantially restrains someone's liberty. at a certain point in the sequence of events, it is our view that this, if it was illegal detention to begin with, it certainly became illegal at a certain point and it was an unlawful detention. the aggravated nature of the charge is because if that kidnapping resulted in bodily injury, that's one grounds for saying it is aggravated kidnapping. if the persons involved in that unlawful restraint of liberty possessed weapons, that is another ground for saying that the kidnapping was aggravated. do you want me to explain the other charges as well? >> yes. >> okay, all right. so official misconduct is when any public official acting, part of their official duties

intentionally or knowingly acts in a way that exercises authority that is unauthorized by law. so that's an affirmative statement, an affirmative act of official misconduct. at the same time, law enforcement officials were were on duty were also under an official duty to prevent misconduct and to accurately report information to any medical personnel that show up, and through inaction, when there is a duty imposed by law, that could also be a separate ground for charging official misconduct. official oppression is a related statute. it's not exactly the same. there's some overlap. but it is not perfect overlap. but it is basically some sort of, by an official, knowing mistreatment, in the course of carrying out their official duties, aggravated assault, i

think, is fairly obvious, and under the laws of tennessee, second degree murder is a knowing killing. >> thank you. >> can you explain -- >> how long does the video -- >> there will be redactions, yes. to protect the privacy of third parties. >> sorry. >> with that, you have been listening to the district attorney in memphis, tennessee, steve milroy, ahead of the tennessee bureau of investigation, ted rausch, to lay out the charges against the five officers indicted, facing among other charges,

second-degree murder, aggravated kidnapping and more, you heard several key headlines there, notably that the body camera and pull camera video, right, so multiple angles of the death of mr. nichols, and what preceded the moments of his death, will be released tomorrow night. so friday after 6:00 p.m. central. you also heard the d.a. lay out specifically the charges against these five officers. and he describes them at a time line, which is raising some more questions here, including that after some period of time, waiting around, after an altercation, mr. nichols was taken to the ambulance by the hospital, he was not indicating what that period of time waiting around was, set to be released by the body cam video just over 24 hours from now. he said there will be some redactions on the way out in case it was difficult to here and previously said it was

around an hour of footage. brook, retired nypd detective and new york law school. and antonio hilton is with us, inside that room, in memphis, and a number of key pieces of information coming out, also raising more questions about this. >> reporter: yes, that's right, hallie. you know, first, though, the news that this video is going to come out tomorrow evening, sometime after 6:00 p.m., it is aligned with what nbc sources have been hearing all day today and sources i spoke to saying part of this was very intentional, that leaders here, from the city officials, up to the governor, have been having conversations about what, the best way to handle all of this and they were very intentional about first announcing charges, about the officers being in custody, before anyone in this community saw what they expected to be really horrific footage. and their intention bind that

was to show that they were trying to take accountability, that they were moving quickly expediting these investigations, out of respect, not just for the nichols family but in particular for the black community here in memphis, that has been reeling since they heard about this traffic stop that then resulted in his death, three days later, back in the beginning of january. and so for people that i've been talking to today, the swiftness of this investigation, the news that most importantly they have been charged with an array of charges but most importantly charged with second-degree murder, that's been met with some relief. a relief that's now combined with a complete fear, and you know, apprehension around what we're going to see tomorrow. but they've been very intentional every step of the way here about how this information is coming out. and so learning today that there's sort of, the charges, the arrest, comes first, and the video is going to come about 24 hours later, all of that has been very much a part of intentional discussions happening between lawmakers,

city leaders, and officials here, for days now. >> we've been slowing the pictures of the five officers who are now behind bars, indicted officially charged with what you see on the screen here. fired almost immediately after what happened to tyre nichols came to light. video and altercations described as inhumane, as heinous, you heard the heads of the tennessee bureau of investigations describe it as absolutely appalling, saying it was wrong, it is criminal, and it does not represent what policing should be. and with that, charles, i will go to you, as far as these charges, and the significance of them, we saw the d.a. come back, and elaborate on some of these charges, like official misconduct, for example, and official oppression, in addition to obviously the most significant charge here of second-degree murder. >> i think it is an important

conversation how to respond when these situations unfortunately continue to occur. the question i have is when we see something like this happen, what lessons are we learning from them. and because we continue to see these things happen, that is the part that i think people are not getting. but to stick to specifically what you asked, i think with respect to the severity of what we are seeing charged here, this does lay out a blueprint on several levels, as for other police departments across the country, around what accountability looks like. you saw swift and direct action that was taken against these officers. you saw a very clear and quick prosecution, or rather investigation take place, which has led to a prosecution, and so it also raises the question, in other cases, why does it take so long. you're seeing a blueprint that is laid out in terms of how to connect with community, and i do not believe that what happened should have happened, but now that we are here, everything that we're seeing about how transparent the departments are trying to be in the state of

tennessee, and in shelby county is reflective of what community policing is supposed to look like, when you have a tragedy like this that occurs. >> so let's talk about what the next 24 hours will look like. because we're just learning some new information here, we expect to hear from the defense attorneys for at least a couple of these officers, later on today, that's 4:30 eastern time, tomorrow, we are just learning that the family, tyre nichols' family and their attorney, civil rights lawyer ben crump will be holding a news conference tomorrow morning, and then after that, of course, as we talk about with antonio hilton, we expect to see the release of that footge, a more than just body camera footage, apparently multiple angles of what went down on this day. julia, i'll going to you on this. because as antonia hylton alluded to, there are other communities bracing for the release of this video and low it may be received given the graphic terms that people who have seen it have used to jibe it. >> yes, that's right, hallie, i think what we're in now, is we're watching what policing,

and the aftermath of bad policing looks like, now that we're in the body camera era. not only do people gather control phone footage like he had did during the death of george floyd but in this case, we're going to get this altercation through three different angles, mentioning sky, pole and body camera. this will be an hour people can dissect, look at, see this terrible thing that they say is just going to be absolutely appalling. that's the description we got today. and i think it also lines up on timing why, they wanted to announce the charges first, already have these officers arrested, and behind bars, and processed, before the public comes to terms with it. and i have spoken to officials, homeland security officials, right here, working in dc, and officials across the country, different police departments, they have been having calls all week, the major cities, the chiefs, the organizations, they have been having calls not only to handle what this will look like in memphis but across the country as we've seen in previous times where footage is

released there is a call against communities that is called excessive force and unjust policing but the reason they have done it this way is hopefully this will be a more peaceful process. i do think we have to ask some questions about the timing, of course they wanted it to come after the charges, that's deliberate to try to calm down some of the very objectified anger that will come from the video. and coming late on a friday could lead into some more violence over the weekend, and it is something that cities across the country are preparing for, as they prepare for the aftermath of this appalling video. >> antonia, i want to go to you on what we are hearing from the family of tyre nichols death, in light of the news from the district attorney, and i will read here, the news today from memphis officials, that these five officers are being held criminally accountable for their deadly and brutal actions gives us hope as we continue to push for justice for tyr ex. the statement goes on to say, this young plan lost his life in a particularly disgusting

manner. that points to the desperate need for change and reform to ensure that this violence stops, during low threat procedures like in this case a traffic stop. . the statement from nichols' family, and the family's attorney goes on to say that this tragedy meets the absolute definition of a needless and unnecessary death. antonia? >> i have been talking to black residents in memphis for the last two days, the moms, schoolteachers, i spoke to one police officer, and what you heard from the family is very much reflected by the group that is trying to support them right now, while there is a gratefulness that the city and the department stepped up swiftly, there is still so much pain here and confusion about how a traffic stop escalates to this point at all. and i think you've heard some of that reflected in some of the questions reporters were asking

the d.a. a moment ago. people want a time line. what happened in that traffic stop? how did it escalate to that point? what kinds of conversations were had? how long did they wait to get tyre nichols help. these are questions that we don't have answers to yet. and it gives us a reason why there is so much care and clearly preparation among the response to this, and yes, it is out of respect, yes it is a sign that people are going to be accountable, they're doing what they should do when these incidents happen, but it is causing fear because it is a signal of how horrible elements of this might be. of course, seeing anyone beat ton that point is horrific. but people are worried they might hesitate to get lep and they might hear things on video that will be deeply disturbing and what might that represent about the nature of the policing, the police department here, and about other parts of the story that they want to know more about, and so you heard people ask those questions, in the room today, but you're going

to hear people ask those questions certainly i think for days, even weeks and weeks to come. and everyone here expects there to be some level of protest, and you know, you mentioned 6:00 p.m., it sounds like it is not a great time to release that video, it is going to go right into the night, most possession are out of work, i asked a local state lawmaker about this, and he said look, my understanding of what is in the video is so bad -- a saturday, a tuesday, middle of night, middle of the day, evening, it's not going to make a difference, people are going to be hurt can, people are going to respond, and that's what they expect tomorrow. >> antonia hylton, thank you. curt, let me go to you. because one of the things we have described as far as the pieces of news that has come out of news conference, that we all watched live as it unfolded was the idea that according to the d.a., each individual charged

here played a different role, but in his view all of them, all five of them, were ultimately responsible for the death of tyre nichols here. talk more about why that is a significant point. >> that is a very significant point because they were acting in concert. and this goes to a kind of small group psychology aspect. many departments don't have five or six police officers working together unsupervised because it is a known fact that people take on a different, i'll say a different persona, a different mindset of someone more empowering when they work together, in a group larger than two. so that's very significant. it means they kind of all went along together. >> i think also what is important, given the descriptors that we heard, it goes far beyond bad policing, this was sadistic behavior, so you have five people working together, engaging in possibly the

sadistic behavior and arguably at some point should not have been on the police department if they are allowed to engage in this behavior. and so it makes, is there a problem is, this a situation of where there's smoke, there's fire? >> kirk brookholder, juliaancely, thank you for your reporting, your analysis. i want to bring in somebody now, somebody who is familiar with this case, the reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" and president of the national action network. thank you very much for being on the show this afternoon. your reaction in what we just heard from the d.a. and the head of tbi. >> at one level, i'm happy to see the prosecution of these policemen clearly for the last two days, we've been calling on that, and though cautious that we are at the beginning of a process, and to charge policemen

does not mean we're going to convict them. and it is also troubling how people that are clearly being accused of being this sadistic and vicious, why they were on the police force in the first place. what is the screening? what is the training process? so a lot of questions are raised, as we prepare tomorrow to see the tape. the national action nel work, i've been in touch with the family and i've been in touch with the lawyers throughout the day, i will be doing the eulogy at the funeral of young mr. nichols next wednesday. but between now and wednesday, i think that the tape and the questions of how this could have happened is something that's going to resonate around this country. and the fact that they were black officers has not in any way shape or form lessened our outrage and our understanding with this family.

we have been am constant touch with them. they will be holding a press conference with the lawyers in the morning. they don't want violence, but they do want justice. and i think before everyone projects what may happen in terms of a violent reaction, let's not forget the violence that took this young man's life, must be held accountable. charges are good, but charges are only the beginning of a process, not the end. >> you talk about the process, and you talk about the questions that still need to be answered, and something that has is standing out here is this question, antonia alluded to it is, what happened after that second altercation, because the d.a. seemed to drop a lint about that, suggesting that after some period of time of waiting around afterwards, mr. nichols was taken by ambulance for further treatment to the hospital here. that is a question that is almost certainly going to be answered by the video footage that is set to be released tomorrow night. if it's a part of why it is so significant that people see it with their own eyes. >> i think that that is correct.

i think that what happened, or what didn't happen after the seconds altercation is something that all of us want to see, and it may involve others than just these five policemen. were others involved in not getting immediate attention or not responding? all of this, we don't know. i must say that the local police chief acted more swiftly than i've seen in many cases around the country. the police fired them before they were even charged. so this must be horrific. and i think that the community leadership there and the people that i'm talking to on the ground that has worked with the national action network there for a while, are very concerned, but also, don't want people to feel that this is the end. this is the beginning of a process. and clearly, a lot of questions are going to have to be raised about why there was not more

screening of policemen if they had these kinds of behavioral patterns. clearly that is of concern. why would people that could do what we think we're going to see have been on the force in the first place? and how do you screen others on the force? so i think that there are serious questions that already comes out of this nichols murder. >> i know you've been in touch with tyre nichols' family. can you give us a sense of what is going through their mind as this is going on? >> i think our national field register is talking back and forth with the father and mother, and my conversations are with the lawyers. they won't justice. they want justice. they're distraught. he has a child, and this family, and no family deserves this. i don't think they want to see any disruption, but they want justice, and they understand the

community has an angle, but they want people to remember, this is their son. and this is someone they love. and whatever the case was, he did not deserve to be beaten to death by a policeman. and i might add, speaking for myself, the fact that it was black policemen, where we fought to put blacks on the force, makes it even more injurious. >> we mentioned you will be delivering the eulogy at tyre nichols' funeral next month, can you tell us more about how we will remember him, who he was and how we should be thinking about him and remembering him. >> i think we should remember that people are treated differently even by some that may be our skin folks but not our kin folks. people that feel they can treat us differently than others. i cannot help but feel that if these five black officers got

into a traffic stop with a white young man in tennessee, they would not have taken the liberties they did. race is a factor even when we're dealing with our own race, which is why we have to keep fighting for complete police reform and accountability. >> we heard the d.a. allude to that, if there is a silver lining, it is perhaps that discussion about police reform. reverend al sharpton, thank you very much for your time this afternoon and i know a lot of this is just developing. appreciate it. still more news to talk about this afternoon, president biden speaking in virginia about the economy after the better-than-expected growth report. and he is taking aim at some house republicans. we're live on the ground with that and more after the break. that and more after the break.

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over in virginia, president biden has just wrapped up some remarks on the economy, after the new report on growth in this country. using the opportunity to hit back at house republicans, with the two sides digging in for the standoff over the debt limit. watch. >> what in god's name would the americans give up the progress we've made for the chaos they're suggesting? i don't get it. >> we're watching wall street react to good news in the last hour before the closing bell. the u.s. economy, more productive than expected, in the last quarter. all of the goods and services produced in the u.s., the gdp, up 2.9%. nearly 3%. strong showing even the concerns about a recession. mike memoli is posted by the white house and steve liesman,

we have you here, too. and the political backdrop to the president's speech matters as well and i see you're closer to the capitol than the white house and i appreciate you being here with us, talk us through it. >> multiple sources familiar with the matter tell me that we're about 650 days until the next presidential election. you may be able to confirm that. now, we know president biden is strongly leaning towards running. he said that we don't have an official message yet but the problem for president biden, he doesn't know who he is running against, and what we saw today is what we will see a lot of between now and the time when there is a republican nominee, who he knows he is running against, and that is using the republican congress here in washington as sort of his main political foil. he was really piggybacking on that strong economic news today, saying that we're going in the right direction and we can't vendor it to that maga republican congress. he also did weigh in on one of the most significant flashpoints we're going to be seeing between the white house and congress, and that is over the debt limit, listen to how he laid down the marker in terms of the potential

negotiations with that. >> if the republicans want to work together on real solutions and continue to grow manufacturing jobs and build the strongest economy in the world and make sure americans get a fair page, i'm ready, but i won't let anyone use the full faith and credit of the united states as a bargaining chip. we're the united states of america. we pay our debts. >> so hallie, the other thing we see the president doing here is looking at a more near-term target which is the state of the union address, which is in february, and february 7th, in in fact, so what he is doing now, and what we're going to see him really ramp up next week, is traveling around the country to sort of road test some of the messages that are going to be part of that state of the union address and talking a lot about the implementation of the legislation that he was able to pass, mostly with just democratic votes but in some cases on a bipartisan basis and he will be in baltimore and new york and philadelphia next week, talking about specific areas in which he is delivering on the things he talked about doing in the last campaign, all part of that economy he says is about

growing the middle class, and growing the economy from the middle out and the bottom up as he puts it. >> mem, thank you very much. let me go to you. the gdp report better than expected. why are not people celebrating it more? it has to do with partly the economic picture is complicated. >> it is complicated. we're limited to two realities here. the first is the data, right? the data was stronger than expected. earlier in the quarter, we were looking for, you know, growth that was maybe almost 2 percentage points lower than this. the inflation indicator came down, consumers hung in there, businesses hung in there, that's the reality, strong durable goods numbers, with a big order at boeing. the other side of that is the reality of the forecast. and everybody is predicting that this economy slows down to a crawl. over the next several quarters, it just hovers above the zero line. so the thinking at least, the consensus on the street, is that you better enjoy this number we got today, because they see it

as the last good number we're going to get for several quarters. >> it sounds like a bit of an ominous number, how do you think the fed is going to read it? >> so i think the fed is watching the economy, i think if we, if the economy gets away, with just hovering above the zero line, and there is not a serious contraction, i think the fed will see this as a win, if it results in vanquishing the inflation problem that is out there. i think they're prepared for a slowdown. they don't want it to be a recession. it could be a recession. it could be a problem, but the way the fed looks at it, job number one is getting inflation out of control and they will likely hike rates next week by at least a quarter point and maybe hike again until they're sure that this fire is put out. >> steve liesman, thank you very much. mike, thank you very much as well. president biden is being called out today by members of his own party, a group of more than 70 democrats sending the president a new letter criticizing his administration's

border and asylum policies. here is democratic senator bobby mendez on that. >> the administration cannot have it both ways when they claim to be committed to restoring access to asylum and then they callously brought access to aslum with a trans it policy that forces migrants to first seek humanitarian protection in a third country. >> ali vitali is joining us now from the hill. what is that the democrats want? how do we think the white house is going to respond? >> this is them taking fire from within their own ranks. democrats, more than 70 as you mentioned between the house and the senate, veteran lawmakers from senator menendez and cory booker and a new freshman in the house from texas, all of them marching in lock-step against the new policies from the biden administration. i can put them up for you on the screen. but one of the things that the lawmakers are taking issue with are the new asylum ways to seek

asylum from nicaragua and haiti and cuba. and these kinds of policies lend to the visuals that we've been seeing on the ground in many of the border communities. they say it is unconscionable that asylum seekers have no option but to sleep in streets in el paso and juarez, and the new restrictions against migrants won't solve the problem. we know in december alone, crossings across the boarder were up 11% from november. this is something that we're going to be hearing about a lot in the coming weeks and months, especially as republicans try to make this one of their key oversight issues. you got to expect that if you are secretary mayorkas, he is going to be in front of congress a lot over the course of the next few months because republicans are itching to bring him here and have him talk about the crisis on border. but again, this is democrats now

saying that even they're not fans of the way the biden administration is handling the situation there. the other thing here that speaks to really the political realities within the building is that while democrats are criticizing the biden administration on these policies, there is probably not much that they will be able to do in terms of putting together a solution by way of immigration reform. the idea that something comprehensive would come together, those talks are happening but politically, the reality is pretty grim. >> thank you very much. new developments, we are expecting more on the attack of paul pelosi, a san francisco county judge ordering that all of the evidence in that case will be released to the public as soon as today. that includes security video of the assault. the pelosi's 911 call. the judge here siding with the coalition of media outlets, including we should note, nbc news, against the prosecution, and the defense, who both argued to keep the material sealed. nbc news correspondent josh lederman is joining us with more on this. we think it could drop any

minute. we don't know the time line. tell us more about the decision to release this and the expectation of what we will see and hear. >> hallie, there were concerns both from the defense and the prosecution, as you pointed out, in releasing some of this information publicly. in part because some of the conspiracy theories that have already swirled around this case and concerns that putting out more of this to the public could further fuel all kinds of speculation on social media, and in other venues, but the group of news organizations, including nbc news, who asked the court to release this information, made the point that prosecutors already showed much of this in public court session, during an earlier hearing in the case. and so even though cameras were not allowed into that hearing, and as a result, the public didn't get to see it, that's already sort of part of what has been presented publicly, and therefore, a judge agreed with news organizations to release this. we know that today, there are conversations taking place about exactly in what format and how

they're going to get that out to the public, and there is one of the reasons that we still don't know exactly when we're going to get this, and we're told it really could be any minute, potentially today, or tomorrow, but it is really the nuts and bolts of what happened in this really bizarre incident, including the security footage from outside of the pelosi home that the u.s. capitol police maintains that apparently maintains this suspect, david depape, trying to break into the pelosi home prior to the moment when he struck paul pelosi with that hammer. we're also expecting to see the paul pelosi, or not see, but hear the 911 call that he placed, in which paul pelosi was walking this really fine line, according to what has been presented in court, between trying to alert police to the fact that something was happening, that he needed help, without causing this suspect to do anything violent, and so we will be watching to see what more we learn, including that

body cam footage, showing the response to that incident, where paul pelosi was attacked with that hammer, hallie. >> josh lederman, appreciate it. thank you. up next, we'll take you live to another spot in california, as the battle for the next rnc chair heats up ahead of the 2024 primary season. we have our team with the details next.

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hillyard. not a bad view behind you, but in front of you stretches this secret ballot tomorrow. talk us through the new dynamics here with governor desantis who could very well himself if he gets the republican nomination end up the standard bearer of the party now talking about what he wants to see. >> reporter: it is all the talk right now at a hotel lobby down the road from where i'm standing where the members, 168 republican national committee members are debating over who the chair should be. ronna mcdaniel, or harmid dylan who is challenging her and making the case that look, this last cycle the rnc raised nearly $400 million, spent $400 million, didn't win the u.s. senate and only narrowly won the house and is making the case that the party needs somebody else in charge. i was just over there at that hotel lobby and the adviser working with dillon came up to me and was making the case this is exactly what they needed in the final 24 hours.

insisting that they had members who were on the fence, and who were essentially needing a little bit more of an opening and perhaps ron desantis, by coming out publicly and backing dillon gives him that. the big question, the fact that this is a secret ballot, and the folks that are openly acknowledging that they can tell one side they got ronna's back and tell the other side they got her back, and ultimately tomorrow they get to vote for whoever they like. so, there is a lot of question marks as we're heading into tomorrow's vote. >> vaughn hillyard live for us there in and along the coast of california. vaughn, thank you very much. appreciate it. glad you're there. we'll talk more tomorrow. we'll talk more with you tomorrow as well. that does it for us this hour of msnbc. you can find us on twitter as always with highlights from the show and new reporting on hallie on msnbc. and as always, find me over on our streaming channel, nbc news now tonight and every week night for show number two 5:00 eastern. we'll see you then. in the meantime, nicolle picks it up with "deadline" after this break. le picks it up with "deadline" after this

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it is 4:00 in new york. on a very busy day of breaking news. there is blockbuster new reporting this afternoon in "the new york times" on the chaos and ethical lapses of the last special counsel appointed during the trump administration. john durham, he was handpicked by attorney general bill barr to investigate