yesterday. mccarthy said the two are good friends, the tech leader came to help him celebrate. it's not true that he had a meeting or a planned meeting with both leaders according a source of mine. he actually ran into jeffries while leaving mccarthy's birthday party and there were brief conversations about how they could envision the running of twitter and the future, but nothing in detail because those conversations are forthcoming. >> the visit with mccarthy will raise eyebrows. a lot of accounts reinstated, including donald trump's, though he hasn't used it yet. senior politics reporter eugene scott, have a good weekend. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early." "morning joe" starts now. this is not just a professional failing. this is a failing of basic humanity toward another individual. this incident was heinous,

reckless and inhumane. i expect you to feel what the nichols family feels. i expect you to feel outrage in the disregard of basic human rights as our police officers have taken an oath to do the opposite of what transpired on the video. >> the memphis police chief warns the public ahead of today's release of body cam video in the death of tyre nichols, asking the community to protest peacefully. we'll have the latest in that extremely disturbing case. plus, it was supposed to be the investigation that would finally expose the deep state plot against donald trump, only it didn't find anything, and it cost taxpayers millions of dollars. we'll have more on that. and president joe biden slams house republicans for what he calls a maga economic plan. we'll play for you his comments on that and the overall health of the economy. we'll talk about it, as it comes as the president is considering a trip overseas to mark a year

of war in eastern europe. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, january 27th. with willie and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire, and pulitzer prize winning columnist at "the washington post," eugene robinson. and, joe, this morning, you are reporting from outside the site of what was the auschwitz concentration camp to mark international holocaust remembrance day. we want to remember the terror, the torture, the lives lost there, but also how it all started. joe? >> well, it is noon here at auschwitz on this commemoration day, and you know, mika, in the age of social media and 24/7 news channels, we have become

accustomed to the daily barrage of grim news reports and depressing stories from uvalde to ukraine. conditioned to compartmentalize, we digest the bad news and move on throughout the day, but for anybody who has set foot on the grounds of the auschwitz death camp, there is no compartmentalizing of emotions, there's no moving on throughout the day, and there's no grasping the unparalleled evil that happened here in culminating in the systemic slaughter of 6 million jews. how does one comprehend how a country, army, single person perform such daily depraved acts on other human beings, and how the scale of these evil actions led to 6 million deaths. it's impossible. we simply cannot. but history does provide an understanding of how such

horrors began. it began with a lie, and then more lies, and then the big lie. and in this tragic case, the lie was that jews lost the first world war for germany. these lies spread all too easily among germans and led to jewish homes and businesses being vandalized, led to jews being singled out in businesses and schools, and led to a permissive attitude of creeping anti-semitism until the lies and stigtism led step by step by step to deportations, to execution, and to extermination. this first chapter of the holocaust against the jewish people is why we're here, to remind ourselves that anti-semitism can never be allowed to find safe harbor again in polite society, on

elite college campuses, social media platforms or country clubs with former presidents. passive acceptance invites violence. holocaust survivor and nazi hunter, symon viesnthal warned quote violence is like a weed, it does not die even in the greatest route. he warned that hitler and stalin are alive today. they're waiting for us to forget because in forgetting we make possible the resurrection of these monsters, so it is that on these grounds, in this gathering today, this holocaust museum bears daily witness to what happened here and across europe not so long ago. he wrote at the end of his life that his entire life of hunting down nazis was driven by a singular focus, to send a warning to the murderers of

tomorrow, you will never rest. and neither should we, never rest, never forget. willie? >> and as you say, joe, these issues and anti-semitism, newly resident right now. president biden is vowing efforts to stamp out anti-semitism in the united states, and a statement on this day, the president writes in part, sadly we have seen over and over again that hate never goes away. it only hides waiting to reemerge whenever it is given oxygen. we are seeing swastikas on cars, verbal and physical attacks against jewish businesses and jewish americans and holocaust denialism. the president continued on international holocaust remembrance day and every day, the united states stands with holocaust victims, their families and descendants, we remember, we honor their stories, we will face town the

hate and lies that carry in them the terrifying echoes of one of the worst chapters in human history. you have been in warsaw for a couple of days. you were in the warsaw ghetto, now stands outside auschwitz. what does it feel like to be there particularly on this day? >> well, you know, not so long ago, i think it would have felt almost like ancient history, it just simply does not now, in part because the specter of war hangs over the people of warsaw, the people of poland, the people of eastern europe. they are seeing to the east of them a war that resembles world war i, world war ii, and it's always present. in their minds, they have accepted millions of refugees into their country, millions of refugees into their homes, and

anti-semitism in europe, across america, far more pronounced, far more public than it's been in quite some time. you know, willie, we have always seen creeping anti-semitism across europe, and across our country. it has become far too prevalent of late, whether it's been with extremely popular music stars, whether it's been with social media sites, inviting neo-nazis back on to their platform, whether it's been ex-presidents inviting neo-nazis into their home, into their clubs. it's become far more prevalent. that gives permission. that gives permission and invites a permissive attitude toward anti-semitism that leads to far too many acts of

anti-semitism taking place across this country. one of my children called earlier this week and talked about how a friend's dorm room, the door of the dorm room a jewish girl had a swastika sticker put on it earlier this week. and multiply that out hundreds of times, thousands of times a week, a month, and we see, again, we must never rest. we must never forget. and you just can't being here. it is remarkable, and it is a reminder, again, willie, the thing that i just haven't been able to grasp, and i don't think anybody can grasp is the totality of this evil. again, by focusing on how it began in germany in 1933, 1934, 1935, we can see the warning signs for our country, the warning signs for the rest of

the world. >> well, the perils that we face today, part of the reason why you are there right now, joe, give us a sense of what else we can expect to see in the four hours to come on "morning joe"? i understand you'll be talking to the second gentleman, doug emhoff? >> yeah, the second gentleman is here. he has toured. he's taken a tour of auschwitz already this morning. he is touring the area throughout the day, and going to a service. it happens every year, a commemorative service. you saw a picture of him there with your brother, ambassador mark brzezinski who of course comes to this event now every year, and this is very personal for doug for so many reasons, but he's going to be spending time here and is going to also go to an ancestral home here, a family of his, a jewish family

of his who lived here throughout the war. so i'll be talking to doug emhoff, the second gentleman later on this morning, and we'll have that for you. >> joe, we'll look forward to that conversation coming up in just a little bit, and we'll see much more of you throughout the morning. >> thank you. >> holocaust remembrance day, january 27th, 1945, when the red army made their way through warsaw and began the liberation on this day, this is the day when it first began to dawn on the world. first those soldiers, and then the world, the depth of the horror of the holocaust. >> we'll be speaking with joe throughout the show, and also enjoy his interview with doug emhoff, incredibly personal for doug as well, and we'll have that story as well. we're going to get to news

at home now. five former police officers have now been charged with murder in the death of 29-year-old tyre nichols, this as the city of memphis prepares to release video showing the incident that led to nichols death. nbc news correspondent priscilla thompson has more. >> reporter: five former memphis police officers have been charged with second-degree murder in the deadly arrest of 29-year-old tyre nichols. >> while each of the five individuals played a different role in the incident in question, the actions of all of them resulted in the death of tyre nichols and they are all responsible. >> reporter: all five officers also charged with aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping and official misconduct charges. >> what happened here does not at all reflect proper policing. this was wrong. this was criminal. >> reporter: the announcement comes amid rising tension.

>> he was a human pinata for those police officers. it was an unadulterated, unabashed, nonstop beating of this young boy for three minutes. >> oh, my god. >> tyre's mother, heartbroken. her son was a dad and loved to skate board. you will had an opportunity to view this video. >> i watched about a minute of it, but i couldn't. once i heard my son say, what did i do, i just, i lost it. and i couldn't -- >> reporter: police say they stopped nichols for reckless driving on january 7th and that two confrontations ensued, after which nichols complained of shortness of breath. he was taken to the hospital in critical condition, and died three days later. >> we are better than this. we're better than the egregious conduct and actions of those police officers.

>> reporter: nearly two weeks after the incident, all five officers were fired, after an internal investigation found they violated multiple department policies, including excessive use of force, duty to intervene and duty to render aid. the attorneys representing two of the officers saying their clients plan on pleading not guilty. >> no one out there that night intended for tyre nichols to die. no one. >> reporter: two memphis fire department personnel who helped care for nichols have been relieved of duty pending an investigation. the department says. the shelby county district attorney's office, the fbi and department of justice are all now investigating. >> all right. eugene robinson, i don't even know where to begin with this. this video is -- must be absolutely horrendous. if you look at the chain of events where this happens, he dies, they're immediately fired

after an internal investigation, but the video doesn't get released. i don't even know where to begin. this is policing. this is the rise of violence in our society. we had experts on our show earlier this week saying they saw people solving problems with guns more than ever before. the epidemic is exploding, in this case, was he even armed? >> not that we know of. there's a lot we don't know about this incident except that tyre nichols is dead, and that apparently was beaten to death by these officers. you know, how many times have we told this story. it is exhausting and sad and infuriating to have to tell it again. you know, stopped in a traffic violation. and he ends up dead.

you are right that given what we're hearing about this video, it must be awful. three minutes is a long, long time when someone is being pommelled, literally to death, and it's going to be -- people are going to be outraged, i think when they see it, and i will be outraged when i see it. we have been working on this issue for a long time, and we have to continue, obviously, because the culture inside many police departments still has not changed. it's not changed to the understanding that policing is something you do with a community, not to a community. no to the citizens of your city or your county. it's something you do with them,

and that message has to get through. it is a tragedy that this is the way that message gets reinforced again and again and again through deaths like this one. >> gene, sometimes in cases like this, we see a circling of the wagons among police officers around the officers involved. we just haven't seen that. in fact, the memphis chief of police yesterday called this heinous, reckless, inhumane, horrific. it gives you some window. we saw the reaction from the poor man's mother of what's actually in this video, which we expect to be released sometime soon, perhaps later today. but this is a case, it seems, just listening to the reaction of the officers themselves and the reaction of the chief of police in memphis, a clear cut heinous beating by police officers, and we may see that later today. >> we may see that later today,

and you bring up a really good issue which is the administrators of police departments, chiefs and the top level of administration in many police departments or at least in some, has changed its attitudes and, in fact, looks at policing in a different way, but getting that culture, pushing it down through the ranks, pushing it out on to the streets is a real challenge for any police chief, and so there is this disconnect quite often and we've seen it in other cases as well, between police chiefs who have an understanding of their role and the role of police that you or i might share, and officers on the street who have a different understanding and who are resistant to change, and who

still have the kind of apache mentality of us versus them that leads to this sort of tragedy. >> and unarmed, killed at the hands of police officers but what has been striking about this one, mika, and people we have been talking to is this video, that it is so tough to watch, that it led to the immediate firing of these officers, charges put up against these officers, charges of murder, and real concerns about what may happen when it becomes public. we heard from president biden putting out a statement that of course he grieved with the family, and they said of course the department of justice and state authorities are continuing to work, and he said i join tyre's family in calling for peaceful protests, outrage understandable, violence never acceptable. a prebuttal shows the degree of concern of what may happen.

they have added additional security at the u.s. capitol because of protests expected to be held there later on after that video is released. it's going to be a tough moment for the country i suspect when we see this, and we certainly understand, the president said understand anger but hope it doesn't spill into violence. law enforcement officials are preparing that it may. all right. still ahead on "morning joe," mitch mcconnell's wife, former transportation secretary elaine chao is out with a rare rebuke of donald trump, and she's not the only past administration official criticizing the former president, former national security adviser john bolton is calling trump's 2024 campaign poison for republicans. we'll take a look at those new comments. plus, the must read opinion pages, including one new piece entitled trump has completely lost his grip on reality. we'll read from that. also ahead congressman adam schiff is our guest. he joins us on the heels of

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should the president end up going to europe, a person familiar with the discussions tells nbc news, one goal would be to create a moment as symbolically meaningful as when ukrainian president zelenskyy visited the u.s. when he addressed congress as well. what more do we know about this potential trip by the president? >> i was talking to white house aides last night. the trip is not locked in. it may not happen. they are exploring the idea of late february the president heading to europe, likely eastern europe, potentially poland again, which is where he was last year soon after the war began. another possibility would be brussels, headquarters to nato because of course he has really reinvigorating that alliance and the response to moscow's invasion. a year of a lot of international travel for the president. he hopes to head back to europe when finland and sweden become members of nato to mark this as well. this is a reflection of this white house's realization that they need to keep the focus on

this conflict. now, about to hit the year mark, they want to keep people focused on it. they want to keep the money flowing to ukraine. we know the tanks went there this week. there's concerns that republicans later this year in congress will block additional funding. they want to keep the awareness here in the states but also in europe saying look, we're with you, we haven't forgotten you. we need to stay the course in supporting ukraine, and a big moment like this that would attract a lot of attention would go to that. plans not finalized potentially for president zelenskyy of ukraine to come here to the united states to address the united nations in a few weeks around the one-year mark of the invasion as well. >> all right. and just this side note, former president trump commented on his social media platform yesterday about the biden administration's decisions to send tanks to ukraine. trump wrote in one post, first come the tanks, then come the

nukes, get this crazy war ended now. so easy to do. sounds so much like vladimir putin, and also i remember he asked a lot of questions really early on about using nukes and whether or not he could use them. in a later post, he wrote in all caps, if i were president, the russia/ukraine war would never have happened. but even now if president, i would be able to negotiate an end to this horrible and -- okay, you know what, somebody is reporting that he's losing his grip on reality. we'll goat that in a moment. he's also losing his top supporters, people who know about little bit about foreign policy. in an interview with cbs news, trump's one time national security adviser john bolton called him a national security threat. >> i think republicans especially after the november 8 elections last year see he's poison to the ticket.

he can not be elected president. if he were the republican nominee, he would doom our chances to get a majority in the senate and house. i don't think he's going to be the republican nominee. i worry about the danger he can cause? >> is trump a let to national security? >> i believe he is. i believe the damage he did during his term was significant but repairable. i strongly opposed him getting a second term because i worried that what he would do in a second term might be ir repairable. >> you haven't made a decision, but it's something you're seriously considering. >> that's exactly right. >> to the comment about grip on reality, conservative columnist, c.w. cook has a new piece for national review saying "trump has completely lost his grip on reality," let's check in on the shadow primary for the to 24 republican nomination, nikki haley is putting together a

finance committee. mike pompeo has just published a book. governor ron desantis has continued to pick winning fights in florida, and then there's donald trump who despite being the only candidate who has officially announced his bid is, well, ranting like a deranged ho bo in a dilapidated public mark. throughout his career trump has resembled nothing but a drunken talk show caller. he can make numbers up off the top of his head. he can use hyperbolic analogies, he can do anything, anything that is except focus on the world outside where the problems that donald trump once used to propel himself into the white house remain real and pressing. whether or not he chooses to engage with them. eugene, i doubt you disagree with this.

>> no. >> and john bolton talking about the danger that trump poses to this country is a step, is a step, a number of other top republican leaders need to follow. i mean, especially given the totality of what we're looking at on this show today, what we're remembering, where joe is. you know, the big lie is a dangerous thing. >> it certainly is. yet, we are concerned about whether the congress with its current makeup with the republican majority in the house will continue to support the brave ukrainian people who are fighting for their freedom, who are fighting on the front lines. and, again, imagine if donald trump had been president when this war started. imagine where we would be now. we would not be where we are. we'd be in a much worse place, i

think, and he is a national security threat. he was a national security threat as president. he would be a national security disaster were he ever to be elected president again, and the one question i have about the piece that we cited is what's new about it? he's been ranting like a deranged hobo in a dilapidated park for a long long time, and many people have responded to that, and follow his rantings. he's still the most powerful figure in one of our two major political parties. what hopes that power is finally wining that influence is finally waning and we can see the light at the end of this tunnel, but we're certainly not out of it yet. and so, you know, he's the only announced candidate. right now he's the front runner for the nomination, and we'll have to see how this works out.

>> the man yelling in the park is a vivid image, isn't it. let's look into that question, gene, whether republicans are getting a wandering eye. "the new york times" has insight into that this morning. some members of the republican national party do appear to be backing away from donald trump. dozens of members have expressed doubts about trump's chances to win back the white house in 2024, and "the new york times" reached out to all 168 rnc members, and then interviewed the 59 who responded. only four of the 59 said privately they support trump. 4 of 59. while the others either flat out rejected him or spoke in favor of a crowded competitive primary field in the hopes of finding a stronger presidential nominee, so jonathan lemire we have said this almost every day in the last several months. you dismissed donald trump at your own peril. he's still of course a powerful force in the republican party. if you get people on the phone, you talk to them privately, and even now some people publicly,

they're saying there's got to be a better way in our party. >> we are seeing republicans for the first time in a long time talk about alternatives, suggest that he can't win again, and to be clear, his son is not having dinner with a white supremacist or posting something ridiculous on truth social or siding with vladimir putin saying ukraine should abandon its war efforts, it's about losing. he's blamed for the 2022 defeats in the midterms for the republican party where they did not do nearly as well as expected. a crowded field may work to trump's advantage. trump has a ceiling. that's what republicans are worried about, he can't win a general election. he has a base that's going to go with him just about anywhere. the more candidates in the field, probably the better chance he has emerging victorious. now, there are some cracks in

the armor to be sure. we're even seeing ron desantis who has not yet announced his candidacy pick someone else to be rnc chair, other than ronna mcdaniel. that's a sign of perhaps him weighing in and saying he's going to announce his candidacy yet. no one else has. it's an important stretch. he's going to get on the campaign trail. can he silence these doubts or will they only grow. >> elaine chao is speaking out over racist comments trump consistently makes about her. in a social media post on monday, trump tried to baselessly claim chao was connected to the biden classified documents case. in his post, he use add nickname centered around her ethnicity to describe chao. this is at least the sixth time trump has used a racist nickname to describe the former transportation secretary. this is a woman who worked for

him. and the statement shared with nbc news condemning trump's attacks, chao wrote in party, when i was young, some people deliberately misspelled or mispronounced my name. asian americans have worked hard to change that experience for the next generation. he doesn't seem to understand that. which says a whole lot more about him than it will ever say about asian americans. coming up, we'll be joined by a newly appointed member, daniel goldman is our guest. how he plans to counter the republican extremists on the panel. we return our focus to international holocaust remembrance day. and jonathan greenblatt will join us as well. "morning joe" will be right back. in us as well. "morning joe" will be right back there's a different way to treat hiv.

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and national director of the antidefamation league, jonathan greenblatt. there's so much to say about auschwitz, about the museum set up here, but jeff, producer here said you notice even on this day, on this sacred day, they keep the museum open. people are walking in and out of those gates and i read a quote, you said each and every one of the 6 million murders in the holocaust had an individual name and story. some will never be known. those we do know should be remembered and passed on to future generations. how wonderful that this museum stays open to do that and you continue the fight you continue every day. i'm curious your emotions on this day. >> well, joe, this is a hard day for me as the grandson of a german jew whose family's ashes

are in the buildings behind you, who lost everything and every one that he ever knew in auschwitz, his family, friends, his life. this is a hard day for jews around the world because so many of us unfortunately still bear the scars because we lost loved ones, and we still, you know, it's kind of an epigenetic suffering to think about hitler's campaign, the systemic effort to annihilate the jewish people across countries, across continents, to exterminate and incinerate them, and i must say, as hard as this day is, joe, it's incredibly meaningful to see you there. it's meaningful to think that a program like "morning joe" is spending the time to memorialize those we lost and to learn, to learn from this unspeakable tragedy. there are lots of ways you could be spending your friday. to spend it there at those gates

i think sends a message to your viewers and sends a message to the world, never again, and i think this is what you're doing with this process. >> jonathan, the reason we are here is the reason that tracks with what you and i talk about far too often on this show, and that is the rise in anti-semitic incidents. of course they shot up 30% from 2020 to 2021. we don't have the stats in yet from last year. but they continue to rise. some of the biggest music stars, some of the biggest sports stars. as we know, the ex-president of the united states, the de facto leaders of one of the two major parties in this country, as gene robinson said last segment is trafficking in anti-semitic tropes. and we found sadly that words

have consequences, and we report on it. whether it's in a synagogue in pittsburgh or whether it's in a college dorm room in los angeles. >> yeah, i mean, i'm grateful for that, and you pointed out statistics which really bear consideration. that stat of the number of anti-semitic acts last year, harassment, vandalism, violence, joe, it's the highest number the adl has ever seen. the level of anti-semitic attitudes in america we found in a recent study nearly doubled from 2020 to 2022. i mean, it's staggering, and you have to understand that anti-semitism is a kind of conspiracy theory, a twisted view of how the world worse that centers all the suffering on the jews. we see it from religious

extremists, we see it from political extremists, we see it from, you know, extremists on the far right and radical left. whether they're posit it's the jewish people to blame, in this moment today when we're seeing this rise of hate, this spread of scapegoating and stereotyping, it demands that all of us, jewish or not jewish, exercise constant vigilance and commit to education. indeed, it never happens again, you know, joe, it starts with the jews, it never ends with the jews. the ashes behind you in auschwitz encompass 6 million jews, millions of catholics, polls, lgbtq people, and others who suffered simply because of their identities. anti-semitism isn't just a jewish problem, it's everyone's problem because it's a sign of

decay that we can't afford not to address. >> that decay comes in the form of anti-semitism buts a the -- also the seeds of anti-semitism are planted with conspiracy theories, and many times they're not just about jews, they are about so many other things. we have seen the truth being disregarded time and time again over the past five, six, seven years. can you talk about that? i have read one book after another about the rise of hitler, about how ordinary people, joe biden is talking about ordinary people today who carried out these acts or who were complicit in their silence. ordinary people were told lies. ordinary people spread lies about just about anything, and soon it was the truth that was on the run, and that is what ultimately led to this, the big lie led to this.

>> there's no question. you know, as my friends at the claims committee have said, it starts with words. so when you hear people express the big lie, when they repeat fictions again and again and again, it is critical for other people in public life, whether they're elected officials or religious leaders or individuals like you do in the media, to stand up and say, no, this just isn't true because it starts with words, and one of the lessons of the holocaust, one of the lessons is that we need to take tyrants' threats seriously. when putin delegitimized ukraine for years, for over a decade, and no one listened, now, unfortunately, we see what he meant. when hamini delegitimized the jewish state, and he has done

this for 20 years, we know what he wants to visit upon israel. people in political life, even in this country, like a former president, minimize, demean, diminish people because they're asian american, because of where they're from or how they pray, we've got to take that seriously. does that mean that donald trump is hitler, no, but it does mean we start with words and when we are silent, you are ultimately complicit in the suffering that follows, so it's not about how you vote, joe, it's about what you value. that's why it demands all americans, and all people of good faith stand up, speak out, and ultimately, joe, just show up when they hear prejudice, anti-semitism, racism or any form taking shape. >> good morning, i'm thinking as joe stands outside the gates of auschwitz there about a study that came out a couple of years ago that i think shocked a lot

of us where 2/3 of a younger generation had never heard of auschwitz, something that's so seared in our minds from history classes, movies and wanting to understand what happened during the holocaust. how do we do better on education so that we can live up to that pledge to never forget? >> it's a great question, willie. and you know, my friends at the american jewish committee just released a study that suggests that half of americans don't even know how many jews died in the holocaust. we think this number 6 million is etched on our souls, but it requires constant attention, constant renewal. education really matters. ultimately, i think education is the only real anecdote to intolerance. we need to see holocaust and genocide education all over the country. the adl has a program called echoes in reflections that we developed with usc, and the holocaust museum in israel,

which does a great job of educating young people about these issues. look, there's new legislation moving on the hill, thanks to congressman josh gottheimer, congressman fitzpatrick, it's bipartisan. the heal ask, which is about holocaust education to make sure schools across the country have the resources that they need. truly the only way we can build a barrier against the next genocide campaign is to educate young people, and empower elected officials to remember that, again, not acting in the face of hate is a kind of complicit and history won't judge you well. >> jonathan greenblatt, thank you so much for being with us on this important day, and thank you for what you do every day of the year. >> thank you so much. >> mika. >> still ahead, we're going to have a look at stories making

headlines in papers across the country. plus, there's a new caucus on capitol hill, the dads caucus. we'll show you what legislation they want passed, and we'll be joined by one of the members in our next hour. "morning joe" will be right back. hour. "morning joe" will be right back

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scarborough is joining us from auschwitz. talk a little bit about why you are there, and what we're going to be seeing, what will be happening in the next few hours. >> well, we were just talking obviously with jonathan glean -- greenblatt. there has been a dramatic rise in anti-semitic actions, incidents across the united states. it continues to grow, and there's a permissive attitude, far too permissive among far too many people, but we spent yesterday in warsaw, and went to a memorial, at a train station where 300,000 jews were deported from warsaw and shipped to concentration camps and killed. i saw remnants of the wall that held in the warsaw ghetto, the 80th anniversary of the uprising

is coming in april, but inside the warsaw ghetto, 460,000 jews either shot or, again, deported, and exterminated. and saw a prison intended to stomp out the polish resistance, and anybody helping jews, trying to save them from the holocaust. so, you know, the history throughout warsaw, it is gray yesterday like it is today, the history of this grim time hangs heavily over that city and over the country, and over the continent, especially now with a war raging just a few hundred miles east of warsaw with a regime who lied up until the day

before the attack, and i will tell you, i saw last night in a meeting at the ambassador's residence with your brother and also leaders across warsaw and poland, i must say, i saw real gratitude, real gratitude for the united states men and women in the military, the 10,000 that are here. real gratitude for a president and a congress who are working shoulder to shoulder in a bipartisan way to work with this country, a country that was ravaged, obviously, by war, first by the nazis, then by the soviets. and a real gratitude that the united states has placed a permanent base. that word permanent, so meaningful, for the leaders in warsaw and poland.

a permanent base. they see that american presence as a guarantee that something like what we have been talking about today will never happen again with the united states, poland, and nato countries standing shoulder to shoulder. later this hour i'm going to be talking to the second gentleman, douglas emhoff who toured auschwitz earlier this morning with your brother there. and very emotional for doug, and anybody that knows his history, his family's history understands why we'll be talking to him about that in the next 30, 45 minutes, and we'll bring it to you. >> all right. joe, and of course just to your point about the polish people and the gratitude, you know,

ukraine is the front line in the war against russia. and the war over the safety of the world, really. pols feel a painful kinship with ukrainians, and it's why their front line has been quite incredible in tacking in ukrainians at the start of the war. millions of them in months and the relationship with america has strengthened as well. the partnership against fascism, against evil, and, again, your being there today at auschwitz on international holocaust remembrance day is especially significant, and we look forward to your interview with the second gentleman, i know you have to leave and do that right now, so we will see you again a little bit later on in the show. to other news now, "the new york times" has new reporting this morning about the inquiry led by special counsel john durham. durham was appointed by then

attorney general bill barr back in 2019 to look into the theory that the investigation into donald trump's 2016 campaign ties to russia stemmed from a conspiracy by intelligence and lawmaker agencies. the times reports that after nearly four years, durham's work is coming to an end without uncovering anything like the deep state plot alleged by former president trump, and suspected by bill barr. but "the times" did find after a month's long review was a quote strained justification for the opening of the inquiry and its role in fueling partisan conspiracy theories that would never be charged in court. instead, the durham probe became quote roiled by internal dissent and ethical disputes as it went

unsuccessfully down one path after another after trump and barr promoted a misleading narrative of its progress, all significant as we look at the totality of our coverage today, willie. >> and joining us now is the coauthor of the new report, pulitzer prize winning journalist and washington correspondent for the "new york times," charlie savage. good morning, this is an extraordinary piece worth everyone's time to read through. let's start at the beginning. this investigation lasted nearly four years, far longer than the mueller investigation itself. it was the investigation of the investigators, but as you write in the piece, it was based on conspiracy theories, and john durham knew relatively quickly, none of these theories could have been tried, prosecuted or won before a jury in court? >> well, it began because bill barr came into office in february of 2019 having already decided that there must be some kind of intelligence operation lurking in the origins of the russia investigation.

that's before he had access to any briefings or anything that he hasn't just seen on fox news or read in the newspaper, so that is the basis by which he set john durham in motion, and durham and his crew spent the first year primarily looking for evidence to back up that hunch. they went through the cia's files for a long period. barr and durham together traveled both to london and to rome to talk to allied intelligence officials and government officials, chasing conspiracy theories that there had been some kind of intention op targeting the trump campaign, and came up with nothing. by the summer of 2020, the original animating basis of that investigation had reached a dead end. yet they did not close up shop but returned to a new justification that is hunting for a basis to accuse hillary clinton and her campaign over the fact that trump came under suspicion for collusion with russia in order to keep going,

and now it's been four years. >> you just alluded to it, charlie, about how directly involved the sitting attorney general bill barr was at the time, that he took specific personal interest in this, that he did travel, as you said, around the world working on this. how unusual was that to see an attorney general this involved in an investigation like this? >> very unusual. typically the attorney general has a lot to do. the attorney general does not run individualized investigations and in particular, politically sense -- sensitive investigations, that become special investigations like this one, most attorney generals try to keep this at arm's distance. they do not interact directly with the investigators on a routine day-to-day basis and become the corunner of the investigation, but that's what happened here. >> hey, charlie, good morning, jonathan lemire, certainly barr's extraordinary involvement is a major headline here, and you write that in one of his trips to europe, to italy, they talked to officials there who

largely discounted the russia conspiracy stuff but led them to another tip, a criminal investigation into suspicious financial dealings related to trump himself. my eyebrows raised when i read this in the story last night. tell us more about this tantalizing piece of information. >> that's right, we came across several things that would be eyebrow raising disclosures and revelations. that's one of them. they went to italy in the fall of 2019 chasing a particular pro trump conspiracy theory that maybe someone involved in the early stages of the campaign, investigation had been an italian intelligence asset. officials told them, no, you're wrong, that's crazy, but since you're interested, here is this other thing, and the other thing was a tip, an allegation of some

kind of international financial crimes related to trump himself, having nothing to do with the russia investigation. now they have this awkward piece of information that they didn't go there looking for but had dropped into their lap, and they decided, bill barr decided that rather than having durham refer that to another prosecutor, because it had nothing to do with his mandate at looking at the russia investigation, durham would keep control of it himself. they decided it was too credible and serious to ignore, but they would have durham investigate it. durham opened a criminal investigation involving trump himself, an extraordinary moment that was kept secret until now. in fact, it leaked in the fall of 2019 that his administrative review had evolved to encompass a criminal investigation. but everyone thought that that must mean he had found some kind of criminal wrong doing or suspicion of it, a predicate for thinking something was there by the people who looked at trump and russia. the justice department let that

impression linger. in fact, they were investigating stuff involving trump himself. 180 degrees the opposite of what everyone thought was going on at that moment. we don't know more about that at this point. we don't know what he did. we don't know what level of investigation it was. we don't know what he found out. we do know that durham chose never to bring charges involving that matter. >> charlie, i think we all want to know more about that. what was this tip, what were the alleged improprieties involving trump, and why didn't -- where did durham get with it, and maybe we'll find that out at some point. but there are other sort of jaw dropping moments in your great story, including that durham at one point became obsessed with getting the e-mails of some aide to george soros, which is kind of a sure sign that they're going down a rabbit hole when they start ranting about george soros, but that a judge twice

said there's nothing here. this is ridiculous. go away. and rather than take that answer twice, he went to a grand jury, so he could pursue this information that apparently led nowhere. did durham essentially go completely off the rails in terms of normal prosecutorial process? normal justice department process in this case? >> i have talked to a variety of prosecutors and put to them the question, have you ever heard of a prosecutor who twice was rejected by a federal judge for getting what is called a 2703 d order for information about e-mails by a judge ruling that their evidentiary basis to intrude on an american's policy was too thin to grant that order, and instead of then accepting that and moving on, used grand jury powers to get direct access to that information anyway.

and every single person i put that to was like, i have never heard of that before. that's extraordinary. >> you also write about nora danaee, the number two in this investigation who sort of resigned a little bit mysteriously. we never heard a full explanation of why, and now in your piece, it is revealed why, that she was under pressure to release kind of an interim report that would be damming in some way to hillary clinton, to the fbi, and it sounds like she refused to do that? >> close to that. she had had a series of prosecutorial ethics disputes with durham, it turns out, and the first of which was that she wanted bill barr to stop talking about their investigation in line with justice department principles and asked durham to tell barr to stop. he was unwilling to challenge the attorney general. she opposed the step we talked about using the grand jury powers to get information, a

judge said they lacked legal basis to obtain about george soros aide's e-mails, she opposed that and said durham had done it without telling her, and then she came across an interim draft report in september 2020 that she had not known was in the works that barr pushed durham to produce, and he had other people on the team draft up. she exploded. there was a big argument in which she said it was inappropriate to issue a report before an investigation was done. definitely inappropriate to do so before an election, and the report contained some dubious information that it took at face value, and she sent them an e-mail to people in the investigative team outlining those concerns in greater detail and quit the next day. that is what happened in september 2020 when durham's long time colleague and number two deputy in this situation

abruptly quit. >> charlie, we'll end with this excerpt from your report, quote, a year into the durham inquiry mr. barr declared that the attempt to get to the bottom of what happened in 2016 cannot be and it will not be a tit for tat exercise. we're not going to lower the standards just to achieve a result. but robert leskin, a criminal defense lawyer and former justice department prosecutor who represented two witnesses, mr. durham interviewed, said that he had a hard time squaring mr. durham's prior rep as an independent minded straight shooter with his endover year conduct as mr. barr's special counsel. this stuff has my head spinning, hex. when did these guys drink the kool-aid and who served it to them. we'll leave that right there. columnist for the "new york

times," martin savidge. and there's a new effort to disbar john eastman, the chief trial counsel for the california bar put out a statement yesterday explaining that eastman faces eleven disciplinary charges, all stemming from allegations eastman quote engaged in a course of conduct to plan, promote, and assist then president trump in executing a strategy unsupported by facts or law to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election. the statement accuses eastman of making false and misleading statements about election fraud, including remarks at a rally on january 6th before rioters stormed the capitol. eastman has been under investigation by the state bar since march of last year. let's bring in democratic congressman dan goldman of new york who was just named to the house oversight committee. dan, it's good to see you, congressman. tell us a little bit about your

work on the committee, and the possibility of getting anything productive done. >> well, as you know, mika, the republicans have put the qanon caucus on the oversight committee, and we can expect every conspiracy theory under the sun to be laundered through the formal committee of a congress of the united states, and i look forward to using my experience, both leading the impeachment investigation as well as a former prosecutor to make sure that we stay focused on the truth and the facts and that these conspiracy theories don't take hold. but i certainly expect to be dealing with some wild theories and i'm very much looking forward to making sure that the american people understand exactly what the facts truly are. >> you know, a couple of members on the republican side who

are -- they have a big megaphone, and they use it. i mean, how do you plan to combat the likes of marjorie taylor greene and the crazies she may bring to the table, if i may, given her past statements and actions. i think it's fair to be worried. >> well, i think that it's really important for the democrats to draw a clear contrast between these fringe republicans with wild conspiracy theories and a sober, thoughtful, competent, fact-based group on the democratic side. we have a gate freshman class, a number of whom are on the committee with me, who are all really focused on making sure our government is operating correctly, efficiently, and mostly for working families and working people around the country. and we're ready. i'm ready. this is, you know, a very

important task to make sure that we are centering the conversation around reality. and, you know, marjorie taylor greene, and paul gosar, and some of the others on the far right who are now on this committee are going to make wild accusations that have no basis in truth, and it's our job to point out what the truth actually is, and i think based on the last election that these sort of fringe people may, you know, cultivate a lot of social clicks and they may have some support in the trump world on the far right, but the vast majority of americans are not interested in these conspiracy theories. they want us to deliver results. and that's what the democrats are focused on. >> congressman, good morning. obviously part of your job on oversight is to push back against everything you just laid out, but you got elected a few months ago to go get things done

for your district. you have been on the job for a few weeks now. i'm curious, your initial impressions and optimism, perhaps, that you can get things done. there's so much skepticism around washington and around politicians about getting things done. what do you think is possible up there? >> well, look, there's been a lot of attention on these overreaching investigations that are designed to create political propaganda to undermine the president in advance of the 2024 election. i have spoken to a lot of more moderate republicans who are not interested in these conspiracy theories, many of whom won in biden districts, that biden won in 2020, and they realized that if they're going to win their reelection, and if the republicans are going to hold the majority, they're going to have to come to the table and negotiate with democrats, both in the house, and of course in the senate, which is democratic

controlled. these moderates cannot run for reelection on hunter biden's laptop. nobody is interested in that other than this fringe right, and so i do think there are opportunities for us to work across the aisle and deliver results, and i'm already looking for those opportunities and i've had some of those conversations. we on the democratic side will walk and chew gum at the same time. we'll fight back against the overreaching, and we'll do our best to deliver results for the american people. >> and congressman, before you go, can you tell us about the dads caucus? >> yes, as a father of five, i'm very proud to be a founding member, along with representative jimmy gomez who many saw carrying around his baby in a little papoose on the house floor during the speaker elections, but we decided that

we wanted to get together to fight for american families, paid family leave and universal child care, other critical needs that families have and it should not just be incumbent upon mothers and women to fight for those very very important policies. we recognize what being a parent is and how difficult it can be, and how much assistance every parent needs, and so i'm very proud to have joined the dads caucus, and we're hoping to expand it, and add some bipartisan support and see if we can help support the mamas caucus, and get some really important legislation passed. >> love it. five kids, wow, okay. congressman dan goldman. thank you very very much for being on this morning. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> good to see you. still ahead on "morning joe," police are expected to release body cam footage later today showing the violent confrontation between a black

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five former memphis police officers charged with murder and other crimes in the killing of the 29-year-old nichols posted bond and were released from jail. that's per jail records. desmond mills and justin smith each posted their $250,000 bond and were released last night. while emmett martin and tadarius were released today. demetrius hailey remains in jail. the memphis police department is expected to release the body cam footage showing the police interaction during the january 7th traffic stop interaction. from what we have heard and the police chief herself said puts it mildly, calling it horrific and heinous. joining us live, nbc news correspondent sam brock. what's the latest there? >> reporter: i'm glad you played that video. it's illustrative. when's the last time you recall

a police chief coming out and saying it's an assault on humanity and heinous. i was speak to go a member of the vigil last night. they said this is like bracing for a car crash. that's how they feel. they know what happened. they're just waiting to feel that impact, and what's going to happen to their bodies when they see it for the first time. now, in terms of potential mitigating factors here, for not creating an explosive environment. as you mentioned a second ago, there have already been murder charges filed against the five police officers who were involved in allegedly the beating of tyre nichols, and we heard the district attorney say they all played a role. they may have done different things that we're going to find out on this horrific, quote unquote video. they're directly responsible for the death of mr. nichols. they are for a period of time inside the jail. shelby county jail behind me. four of them are already out. what will that mean in terms of how people perceive this

environment going into tonight, four of the five people you see on the screen facing among other charges, second-degree murder, aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct. how are they going to feel about the fact that those individuals are walking on the streets right now. i interviewed the naacp president last night. he talked about the fact that there's not a national standard for police training. you have different departments all over the country training their officers in different ways. there's not a data base tracking infractions from those officers who can then jump from one agency to the other after potentially doing something wrong. congress needs to act and they need to act right now. here's what he told me. >> if we have 5,000 law enforcement agencies across the country, we have 5,000 different policies dealing with accountability to ensure that individuals who are sworn to protect to serve one are trained properly, two, are held accountable, and three, there's

a necessary background check so they're not going from agency to agency as a result of misconduct, causing harm. that's the standard we should be pushing for. that's the standard that the american public should demand and that's the standard that policy makers across the political spectrum should be responsible for enacting. >> we are grateful for what is happening, what looks like change, what feels like a piece of justice, but we are humans, right, and our human bodies, we are going to have a visceral reaction to this video. and it is going to highlight and bring up something that's already there, trauma that's already there. pain that's already there. anticipated ways that we are all black mamas, all black sons. >> reporter: tyre nichols mother last night had a plea to the public and a plea to the people attending that vigil. do not, she said, tear apart the

city tonight, that's antithetical to what tyre stood for, and we have to live here. demonstrate your pain, but do not get violent. these are tense hours ahead of us right now. we know it's going to be 6:00 or later until the video is released. there are public pleas from leaders for people to act responsibly. one final point, all of the police officers involved with between the ages of 24 and 32. we're not talking about veteran police officers here. we are talking about officers who have been on the force for a few years. there's going to be all kinds of questions about scrutiny over those hirings, and tracking previous histories, background checks for people hired for law enforcement, and we're going to be tracking this closely as we know it's going to be a long day ahead, probably a long series of

days ahead. >> and sam, as the police chief there calls for calm in her city, she concedes the following, talking about the video the public is going to see. this is a failing of basic humanity towards another individual. the incident is heinous, reckless, and inhumane. nbc's sam brock live for us in memphis this morning, thank you so much. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. good morning, from a legal point of view, the video will come out later today, but from a legal point of view, what stands out to you? >> willie, the first thing that stand out to me is that we have not heard anything about tyre nichols being armed, and the reason i think that's significant is because when you're talking about the defense of police and law enforcement, in a situation like this, in order to justify or at least try to explain away what the officers did or tried to explain, why the officers used the force they would have, you would have already heard about mr. nichols having been armed if

that were the case. so what that tells me as a former prosecutor, you're talking about actions that were taking a three-minute meeting against an unarmed man. that is something that is very disturbing on top of the actual video that we haven't even seen as of yet. the other thing that stands out to me, willie, and this is not necessarily from a legal standpoint. as i was listening and thinking about the video, the commentary and everyone's concern about what's going to happen in the aftermath, if there were just a mode come of the same concern for the public's response as there was for police activity, police training and behavior mr. nichols would probably be alive, and we wouldn't be here. >> obviously we're seeing from the police chief, local officials, real concern as to what happened when this video is made public. two thoughts for you, we have no idea if he was armed, no indication he was. do we know anything about the incident himself, was he

resisting, i mean, nothing would justify a beating like this, it sure sounds but do we know the circumstances of the arrest, and secondly, as you said earlier, there's an elephant in the room here, and that's also the race of the victim and the officers involved. >> to your first question, what we know, this was a result of a traffic stop for reckless driving. what i can tell you as a former prosecutor and civil rights attorney, there are no circumstances under which someone should be pulled over for reckless driving and three days later be dead. i don't know about how much he resisted. i do not know about what sort of trouble he may have given the officers. i do know that all accounts by people who have seen this video are very clear that he should not have suffered the fate that he did. the element of race, turning to your second question, very very complicated when you're talking about the different dynamics here. it impacts how the officers were dealt w quite frankly, we've seen a swifter, faster, much

more intentional and deliberate approach to how these officers were responded to and the level of transparent is unparalleled. now, one would like to think that it is a marker of how we have learned from our past mistakes and turned the corner with respect to these sorts of conversations but quite frankly, i'm not prepared to say that's true just yet, and then of course there is the notion of why politics in america continue to violate the bodies of black people, under served people, other people in america the way they do at disproportionate levels. this is not a conversation necessarily about training. it is a conversation as the president of the naacp talked about, about policy, but more than anything else, it is a conversation about culture. american policing is broken because it is rooted in a culture of violence and aggression, rather than a culture of service and protection. >> charles, you and i both know that african americans as a hole

in general are not anti-police, they are pro good, effective policing. every community needs policing but policing done with the community rather than to the community. you talked about the culture of violence. how do we bridge that obvious gap between the police chiefs and administrators, many of them who have a more enlightened attitude about what policing should and must be, and the officers on the street who seem to still be part of this violent culture, too many of them seem to still be part of this violent culture that you talked about. >> the first thing that i think that has happened eugene is we have to understand that culture change occurs from leadership, that you talked about, but maintained through accountability. when you're talking about what

it is to shift from a cultural mindset for law enforcement to be centered on public safety, that's something that is only going to come by leadership understanding that that is the primary goal and purpose for law enforcement. it is a public safety position, a service position. when we do not see that mentality number one understood by leadership but then number two maintained through accountability, it makes it all the more challenging to make that shift in a way that makes the public feel not only protected, not only safe, but also served and that's where we are having a huge gap right now. >> msnbc legal analyst charles coleman, thank you very much for your insight this morning. of course today when the video comes out, a lot of tension and concern about the reaction to it because of already what we have heard is on that video. coming up, russia launches a new round of air strikes in an apparent response to the announcement of more military support for ukraine and from

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mr. bowers, i understand that after the election and i don't know whether this is the conversation the former president is referring to, but after the election you received a phone call from president trump and rudy giuliani in which they discussed the result of the presidential election in arizona. if you would, tell us about that call. >> he said, well, we have heard by an official high up in the republican legislature that there is a legal theory or a legal ability in arizona that

you can remove the electors of president biden and replace them. he pressed that point, and i said, look, you are asking me to do something that is counter to my oath when i swore to the constitution to uphold it, and i also swore to the constitution and the laws of the state of arizona, and this is totally foreign as an idea or a theory to me. you are asking me to do something against my oath, and i will not break my oath. >> former speaker of the arizona house of representatives, rusty bowers, a lifelong republican testifying last june to the january 6th committee describing a phone call where rudy giuliani pushed the fake electors plot. bowers refused to break his oath to his state and the country. joining us now, the president of

the council on foreign relations, richard haass. we are capping off our week long discussion of his new book entitled "the bill of obligations, the ten habits of good citizens," also with us, presidential historian, and pulitzer prize winning author, doris kearns goodwin and richard, you write about country over party in the book saying that quote the obligation to put the country and american democracy before party and person is a thread that helps bind the fabric of the society and is an essentially element of patriotism. putting democracy and the country founded on it first is the only way to preserve and better yet improve a united states of america that for any and all of its shortcomings and flaws is still the most successful political experiment in human history and the one with the greatest potential. and doris, i'll let you kick it

off. but where we started with rusty bowers, i mean, there are people who have stepped up in this country's time of need. the problem is a lot of people didn't. >> absolutely, and what i think is so profound about what richard has written, i have been waiting for this book, i think, for a long time, is that in the end it all comes down to character, right, richard, that's what you say, and i think about teddy roosevelt who said that the power of a president is most exemplified in the power of example, and he said his most important role was that of being citizens, all of this stuff you talk about. i think of george bush sr. when wrote about his mother who wanted him to be fiercely competitive. on the other hand, she wanted him to win, i scored three goals in soccer, well, how did the team do, she said, so somehow i think what you've done in this book, richard, i would like to ask whether it was intended that

character in some ways becomes the ultimate sum of what allows a person to put democracy above self, it's character, and you can teach it by coaches, by parents, by example, by leader, and what's been sad about our current situation, people at the highest level not accepting loss with grace, so i'd love to hear you talk about it, richard. i'm so glad you wrote this book. >> thank you, doris, i really appreciate it. i didn't start out there, but i ended up there, and the more i looked at american history, the more i looked at politics, to get people to act the right way is not something you can legislate or mandate as a matter of law. it's in some ways explains how i came to the whole concept of obligation, the things you should do or ought to do, rather than can be compelled to do. there's good examples in history, with profiles in courage, people who stood fast by principle when that was called for or people who were prepared to compromise when

compromise made them politically vulnerable. what's interesting to me, you can model it. you can have religious leaders and authorities, i think, call for it. you can have teachers call for it. parents can demonstrate it and talk to their children about it. you can do everything about it, though, again, but require it, and that's where the voters come in. i think at the end of the day, it's a little bit up to us to say we're going to vote for people or support people who show this, who do the right thing, and we're going to penalize those who don't. we've got a lot of people in washington right now who are not demonstrating character, so i think it's up to us. they're not going to change most likely so it's up to us, if you will, to change who gets to represent us. >> richard, what seems to be as you just mentioned, an increasingly rare thing for public figures, politicians to put country first, to not choose politics or their personal gain. we all spoke many times this summer about liz cheney, a rare moment, who put patriotism over

party. how worried are you, though, that she is by far the exception rather than the rule? do you see others out there? do you have any hope this could be a growing trend? >> i think some of the secretaries of state around the country who stood fast in pennsylvania and other states who pushed back what you just heard from mr. powers i thought was remarkable. the idea, here's this republican. he almost wanted to do the wrong thing. politically it would have served his interest to do the wrong thing. morally and ethically, he couldn't do the wrong thing. this is a religious country, a moral country. i don't think it's impossible. i don't think what we're talking about is a pipe dream. again, lots of people have to step up. the leaders of this society have to be willing to demonstrate it. i'm curious what doris thinks about this, what it is, where she sees it, and how she thinks she can generate more of it. >> well, i think the word generate is an important word because it's interesting,

certain generations there's a cycle of history where people are more other minded, public issues across private lives in a great way. it happens during wars, the civil war, and it happened during peacetime, the turn of the movement, settlement houses, people who cared about making the democracy stronger. it happened in the 1960s. i'm so glad i grew up in the 1960s, even though it has lots of difficulties during that period. there was the civil rights movement, the sense of what john kennedy was calling on people to care more about what they could do for their country than what their country could do for them. i remember being at the civil rights march in 1963, one of the greatest moments in my life in a certain sense because i felt part of something larger than myself as i was marching along, carrying those signs. i felt like we were making a better world and that march helped to produce the civil rights act and later the voting rights act. sometimes you just got to get enough people doing it, and i

think you say, richard, in the book, when you do that, put that ahead of your own personal self, it's a great feeling, you feel larger, you're connected to something bigger, isn't that right? >> absolutely. another example i was thinking of was after 9/11 when my boss at the time, presidential george w. bush went to the mosque and just to basically say to americans, these are our fellow americans, treat them as our fellow americans. don't have collective, if you will, guilt for the terrible actions of a few. that to me, that was character in action. that was truly an admiral sort of action. >> so richard, what does it tell you that we hold up as exceptions, unfortunately, people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger, republicans who stood up and did something that to most of us was an obvious thing which is to say an attempted coup against the united states government is a bad thing, but even people who stepped away from donald trump in that moment around january 6th are back at

his side and quickly rushed back to his side. what does it tell you about the incentives that our politicians have to really not put country first when push comes to shove? >> it tells you just that, what we have to do is change the incentive structure, and it means voters. it might take independents and democrats as well as some republicans to send the message. what we want is our political leaders to be responsive to good incentives to act responsibly when their narrow political instincts are number and then we need others in the society also to speak out to this, educators, this is what teachers are meant to teach. religious leaders are meant to introduce a moral element to our lives. parents are meant to try to raise their children in ways which are admiral. so i don't think it's going to happen all of a sudden. i don't think it's going to happen by a magic wand, but it is going to take work, full, at

-- if you will at the ground level and voters have to get involved and make clear, people who do not put country first, they will not be given the opportunity to lead, and those who do put country first, even where there's some political disagreements, they will be voted for, but until that happens, i think we're going to see more of what we've seen, unfortunately. >> richard haass, thank you so much. the new book is "the bill of obligations, the ten habits of good citizens" and we're all glad you wrote the book. thank you very much for your book residency this week. and doris kearns good win, thank you as well, always agreed to see you. and up next, the latest on the double murder trial double murder trial of alex murdaugh accused of killing his wife and son. we'll hear from investigators at the crime scene. plus former president trump is losing support from another influential group of conservatives.

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going into arrowhead stadium to play the kansas city chiefs, jonathan, i was hopeful as a giants fan hurts was injured enough to pull one out but he looked really good, healthy. they will be tough to beat at home. >> great music to bring us into the segment. i'm fired up. you are right. that was an evisceration last week. questions about hurts' health. they answered saturday night against the outclassed giants team. now it is all about the oh quarterback. mr. irrelevant. has been so good for the 49ers. undefeated since taking over that job. lots of weapons. i feel like this is a moment where the stage is too big for

purdy. the home crowd will be intense. give me the eagles. >> i got the eagles, too. brock is good as a rookie to step in the last pick in the draft and to take that job from jimmy garoppolo and to never lose. plays with the poise of a veteran back there. i agree. i think the eagles at home are hard to beat. quickly, bengals-chiefs. mahomes has the ankle. who do you like? >> bengals have beaten the chiefs three straight times. also in kansas city. i can't believe that mahomes will be 100% after that injury last week. borough heads to the second straight super bowl i think. i think this is a classic. but i go bengals.

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look. if republicans want to work together on real solutions and grow manufacturing jobs, build the strongest economy in the world i'm ready. but i will not let anyone use the full faith and credit of the united states as a bargaining chip. the united states of america, we pay our debts! the very notion that we would default on the safest, most respected debt in the world is mind boggling. i won't get into the reckless threats to force an agenda to limit american workers. i won't let that happen. >> president biden calling out house republicans yesterday following a better than expected fourth quarter gdp report lifting hopes for the u.s. economy. we are keeping an eye on wall street ahead of new reports this morning to give more data on the state of inflation. also ahead, a live report from

ukraine which is rocked this week by dozens of missile strikes from russian forces. welcome back to "morning joe." it is friday, january 27th. jonathan lemire is still with us. in just a bit we'll go back live with joe live at the auschwitz concentration camp talking about what happened there and the perils we face today with parallels and also holocaust remembrance day, which is another reason to be there, interviewing the second gentleman with his own family connections in poland and bringing us that interview. willie? >> busy couple hours ahead. we start with the governor of pennsylvania josh shapiro. newly elected governor. thank you for being with us. >> by the way, i -- no. i was going to say i appreciate that you picked the birds to

win. that's a good start to the interview there. >> that's where i was going with you. the eagles, i'm a giants fan from new jersey right across the border but you put one on us last weekend. are you confident? >> yeah. without question. look. the 49ers are a good team. really good team. i think purdy is not faced hassan reddick and the defense and the pressure to bring at him. i take hurts seven days a week and twice on sunday. bird will win by at least a touchdown. talk about the state business. you ran an impressive campaign. now in that big chair, what have been the first initiatives? what have you gotten done? >> first off, i'm humbled by the

opportunity that millions of pennsylvanians gave me to serve as their governor. when i went in the office the first day they have portraits of the governors who served. i'm the 48th. you have william penn staring down at you from the front and ben franklin on the side and realize you are part of a link in history where the job is to try to make the place better than you found it and the responsibility falls to me. i believe we need to create real freedom and opportunity for all pennsylvanians. in my first executive order i do away with the college degree requirement for thousands of state government jobs. actually 65,000 to be exact. 92% of the jobs. i financially believe every

pennsylvanian should have a real opportunity to succeed here in the commonwealth. i think the government should be an example of that giving an opportunity if they can push the doors of opportunity we let them walk through and have productive lives in the commonwealth. >> amen to that. sounds like a good idea. putting an emphasis on the work experience. you made an interesting move. naming the secretary of the commonwealth al schmidt. he ran the elections in philadelphia, a republican. stood in the door as philadelphia's electoral process was attacked. why was that important choice for you? >> i made a commitment in the campaign my first cabinet would be a pro-democracy secretary of state. this isn't about democrats and

republicans. this is about people who value our freedom, cherish the constitution, willing to do the hard work to defend the democracy. al schmidt who led the election efforts in philadelphia as the former commissioner there demonstrated that commitment to democracy. he was given a medal to recognize that fact by president biden just a few weeks ago. this isn't about partisanship. this is about a moment, a bipartisan commitment to democracy. we need more of that in our system, more times when democrats and republicans can come together to get things done. i'm not sure there's anything more important than protecting the freedoms and al's the right guy to lead that effort for me. >> good morning. a sad common topic this week is gun violence. a number of mass shootings. pennsylvania of course no stranger to acts like that.

but it is also a proud hunting state. talk about the situation in guns and public safety and balancing the two in your commonwealth. >> this level of violence and mass shootings we see from california all across the country to pennsylvania, of course, it is absolutely unacceptable. it doesn't have to be this way. people have a right to both be safe and feel safe in their community. part of this has to be hiring more law enforcement to keep the community safe and treating the underlying causes of violence, the reasons why people are picking up guns in the first place. we need to make sure that there's an effort on education and prevention. we need to keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. criminals and others. we are a proud hunts state as you said.

we have a heritage of responsible gun ownership. every responsible gun owner i talk to agrees to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. we need background checks and red flag laws in pennsylvania. i worked hard as attorney general to close the ghost gun loophole which is the weapon of choice for criminals here in the commonwealth. we need to make sure we keep guns from those that use them to do harm to others. we can balance this. i think pennsylvania is a great example of that to balance the rights of hunters and the heritage with the right to both be safe in the communities walking down the streets or send our children to schools. >> governor, as you know this is international holocaust remembrance day and reflecting this morning on the genocide there and how we as a society coensure it never happens again.

the a.p. called your election a high note and you spoke about a jewish heritage on the campaign trail. the attack in pittsburgh claimed 11 lives and wondering your thoughts today. >> i want to commend joe and you and the whole team at "morning joe" for shining a light on what happened in auschwitz. we must never forget and the fact that you speak about it and putting it on your show makes sure others get educated. when i was sworn in ten days ago it was on a stack of the bible. one was a family bible. the other was a soldier who defeated fascism, defeated the nazis in world war 2.

he carried this bible with him and earned a purple heart in the process. the second bible was a bible that was at the tree of life synagogue on that fateful day when 11 were murdered while worship jeff gordon here in pennsylvania, the deadliest act of anti-semitism in our history. a place founded on religious tolerance by william penn inviting people from all different walks of life epa feith to live and work and worship in pennsylvania. to have that act in this place of religious tolerance is a dark moment in our history. yet, four years later as a proud american of jewish faith i was elected to lead this commonwealth forward which shows

that when we understand our history pennsylvanians can find light in the midst of darkness and move forward. the fact that you help educate the public about what happened in the holocaust, to learn the lessons in the past, the fact to make the progress that we're making in pennsylvania shows this is a great country with great hope and promise if we understand the history and a chart a tolerance course for the future. >> pennsylvania governor shapiro, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. all right. we'll turn now to the war in ukraine where russia launched another round of air strikes yesterday to targeted the pour grid and killed 11 people. foreign correspondent raf sanchez is in kharkiv with the latest.

>> reporter: this morning ukraine battered but defiant. picking up the pieces after a wave of deadly russian missile strikes launched hours after the west's decision to give battle tanks. 11 people killed according to officials in the attacks aimed mainly at ukraine's power grid. president zelenskyy saying every russian missile against our cities, every iranian drone used by terrorists is an argument for more weapons. the president also telling sky news about family life during wartime. >> i think that they love me and it's not about thinking. i feel it. >> reporter: his young kids who he sees rarely forced to grow up fast. >> all our children, adults, and all of them, they speak about war. >> reporter: as heavy fighting rages, a race against time to get nato tanks into action. the german leopard 2s likely to reach the battlefield by march. according to germany's defense minister. the american m1 abrams, perhaps a year from reaching ukraine, u.s. officials say.

before the war, this man was a tour guide. today he is a military volunteer and his tours showcase russia's destruction in kharkiv. this is a tailor shop destroyed by russian missiles. he takes us to a place you won't find in the guidebook. we can't show you the outside of this building but this is a warehouse where volunteers are stockpiling supplies. medical supplies, blankets, baby food, sometimes the easiest meal for soldiers in the trenches. whatever we get for the ukrainian army immediately goes to the front line, he says. the moment we get it, we ship it immediately. ordinary people pulling together and working for victory. and some areas of ukraine struggling to get the electricity back on after the strikes. president zelenskyy said this is a tactic to hurt civilians in what's a cold and punishing

winter. i know you are marking holocaust memorial day today. the president says we know and remember that indifference kills with hatred and an almost unbelievable irony that president zelenskyy jewish is accused by the kremlin of being an neo-nazi. guys? >> what the world is watching and pushing back against in ukraine. raf, thank you so much. turning to south carolina where the double murder trial of alex murdaugh continued with dramatic testimony yesterday. nbc's craig melvin is following the story and has the latest.

>> are they breathing? >> no, ma'am. >> your wife and your son? >> my wife and my son. >> reporter: prosecution offered the first witness testimony. >> appeared to be a large amount of blood. >> reporter: first responders describing a horrific crime scene. >> did he ask you to confirm they were dead? >> he did. >> reporter: alex murdaugh nearby. the sob of a powerful legal dynasty in south carolina had support from family members in court and was visibly emotional at times. but first responders telling the jury he did not cry that night. >> did you see any physical tears? >> i did not. >> i didn't see him cry.

not everyone cries. >> reporter: murdaugh says why his son was a tarlgt almost immediately. >> this is a long story. my son was in a boat wreck a few months back and getting threats. i know that's what it is. >> reporter: also mentioned that theory to the 911 dispatcher. murdaugh referring to a 2019 boat crash that killed 19-year-old mallory beach. his late son, paul murdaugh, charged with three counts of boating under the influence. he had pleaded not guilty and was awaiting trial. meanwhile, the defense questioning witnesses about how potential evidence was handled at the crime scene. >> will you do your best not to contaminate anything? >> this is your best? to walk in an area where there is blood? >> reporter: and prosecutors honing in on what they argue is a discrepancy. despite telling 911 he checked his wife and son's pulses,

prosecutors say there was no blood on murdaugh. >> if you check his pulse via wrists or neck, would your hands be bloody? >> if i attempted it, it would have been, yes. >> testimony continues in south carolina. just about an hour from now in that truly extraordinary case. craig melvin reporting for us there. body cam video in the death of tyre nichols expected to be released tonight and officials ask the community to protest peacefully. the race for california senator dianne feinstein's seat is heating up. we'll be joined by congressman adam schiff who has announced he will be making a run in that race. later joe's exclusive conversation with second gentleman doug emhoff on this holocaust remembrance day. they are at auschwitz this

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five former police officers charged with murder in the death of 29-year-old tyre nichols as memphis prepares to release video shows the incident that led to his death. nbc news krobt priscilla thompson has more. >> reporter: five former memphis police officers have been charged with second-degree murder in the arrest of 29-year-old nichols. >> while each of the five individuals played a different role in the incident in question the actions of all of them resulted in the death of tyre nichols and all responsible. >> reporter: all five officers also charged with aggravated assault, kidnapping and official misconduct charges. >> what happened here does not at all reflect proper policing.

>> reporter: there's rising tension. >> he was a human pinata for those police officers. it was an unadulterated, unabashed, nonstop beating of this young boy for three minutes. >> oh my god. >> reporter: his mother heartbroken. her son was a dad and loved to skateboard. you had an opportunity to view the video. >> i watched about a minute of it. once i heard my son say, what did i do, i just -- i lost it and couldn't. >> reporter: police say they stopped him for reckless driving and two confrontations ensued. he was taken to the hospital in critical condition and died three days later.

>> we are better than that. we are better than the egregious conduct and actions of those police officers. >> reporter: two weeks after the incident all five officers were killed after it was found they violated multiple department policies including use of force, duty to intervene and render aid. the attorneys say they plan to plead not guilty. >> no one out there that night intended for tyre nichols to die. no one. >> reporter: two memphis fire department personnel have been relieved of duty pending an investigation the department says. the shelby county district attorney's office, the fbi and justice department are all now investigating. >> all right. eugene robinson, i don't know where to begin with this. this video is -- must be

absolutely horrendous. if you look at the chain of events, he dies and immediately fired after an internal investigation but the video isn't released. i don't know where to begin. this is policing. this is the rise of violence in our society. we had experts earlier this week say they see people solving problems with guns more than ever. except in this case was he even armed? >> not that we know of. there's a lot we don't know about this incident. >> right. >> except that nichols is dead. and that apparently beaten to death by these officers. and it's -- you know, how many times have we told this story? it is exhausting and sad and

infuriating to have to tell it again. stopped in a traffic violation. he ends up dead. you were right that given what we are hearing about this video it must be awful. three minutes is a long, long time when someone is being pummeled to death literally. it's going to be -- people are going to be outraged i think when they see it. i will be outraged when i see it. we have been working on the issues for a long time and we have to continue obviously because the culture inside many police departments still has not changed. it's not changed to the understanding that policing is something you do with a community, not to a community.

not to the citizens of your city or your county. it's something you do with them. and that message has to get through. it's a tragedy that this is the way that message gets reinforced again and again and again through deaths like this one. >> we will be covering the story as it unfolds and bringing the latest to you. how are leading contenders for 2024 handling the situation in ukraine? president biden plans a potential trip to europe to shore up allies at donald trump parrotts talking points from vladimir putin. that's ahead on "morning joe."

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the left was to leave. the right was the side for gas. i knew our mother went to the right. but i -- after the war i had a thought of hope that maybe she was in some displaced person's camp. you know? that she wasn't dead and somehow escaped. >> my number is a-10572. that is what i was and i didn't call me. i was not my name. we were not humans. we were only a number. and we were taken also only for

a number. >> today's the day we remember what happened to the millions of jews and others that perished at the hands of the nazis and more than a million lost the lives here at auschwitz. that fact is not lost on the people here aen the city just a mile away. before the war many synagogues in the area served a thriving community. ahead on "morning joe" you'll hear my conversation with the second gentlemen douglas emhoff that took place in the only synagogue still standing. here is a story of that remarkable sanctuary. >> i'm the director of the foundation in poland. in area before the war was part of poland. this is a typical small town. almost 60% of the town was

jewish before the war. several synagogues including this one but this is the only one not complete lid destroyed by the germans. >> i am the head of education here at the museum. we are in the only synagogue left in the town and by auschwitz. this is where men pray. this is the cabinet where you keep the scrolls of torah and this is the women's section historically ort box. it is an exhibition space. >> everything changed when the war started so september 3rd, 1939, the germans invaded and one of the first acts or decisions they made was the burning of the great synagogue and of course the whole array of anti-jewish laws gradually

introduced. beginning of 1941 almost all of the jewish community was expelled. so this town really became of course a town with no jewish people. >> from the free ghettos, people deported to the concentration camp where a small number of them would be admitted into the camps as prisoners but the majority had been murdered upon arrival at the suburb of the hometown. >> nonjewish inhabitants knew what was happening. a lot of their relatives victims of the camp. high level of terrorization of the nazis. people afraid constantly but they could see the smoke in the outskirts of the town. they heard stories and saw

prisoners marching through the town. there were others who could have stopped it. but not the people here. >> this synagogue turned into a munitions warehouse by the nazis. after the war even though the interior destroyed the building survived. about 200 jewish people came back to the town after the war out of 8,000. >> that attempt never worked. by 1950s almost everybody was gone. post-war communist poland, small town, not a friendly place for the jews. >> 1997, first synagogue in poland given back after the fall of communism and renovated and in 2000 reopened. today it is serving as the

synagogue in the vicinity of auschwitz where people come to pray, reflect and educate for students from poland, germany and many, many other countries. most of the people who live here today have no roots in this town. polish, nonjewish and quite a significant ukrainian community. these are mostly refugees who came also to this town after the beginning of the war in march of last year. the foundation on one hand commemorates the community of this town so the town next to auschwitz. creates a context for people that visit to learn about the community totally destroyed but also anti-hatred education and running for years and pioneers

of this education in poland. we run the programs for teachers, law enforcement, military cadets from the quite. of course whether the war in ukraine started this is something that we had to react to and right away we started to help ukrainian refugees who came to this town. there were about 2,000 people who came at the beginning and the number changes but we every day have classes for refugees from ukraine. anti-semitism is part of the story for centuries. this is exactly why hitler used it. exploded the prejudice and auschwitz. it is important to understand the mechanisms of hatred and anti-semitism, how the mechanisms can lead to something

like auschwitz. it can be helpful in this process to show us that these are not just words. right? this is a reality. that these words, this hateful words can lead to something like auschwitz. everybody is a minority of some kind so it is about us. it is not just about jews, blacks, lgbt community. it is about us. if one group is victim sooner or later we will be victims. this is what the holocaust showed us. >> fightly hate is issue number one for douglas emhoff. my conversation with the second gentleman is coming up next hour. we are back in a moment. ♪3, 4♪ ♪ ♪hey♪ ♪

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nbc news reporting this morning president biden is weighing a trip to europe next motto coincide with the one-year mark of russia's invasion of ukraine. officials say no final decision is made but a number of countries are considered for the visit including poland. one idea is for the president to deliver a speech in europe emphasizing the need for the u.s. and allies to be united going forward. should the president go to europe a person familiar with the discussions tells nbc news a goal would be to create a moment that's meaningful as when president zelenskyy visited the u.s. in december addressing congress, as well. jonathan lemire, what more do we know about the potential trip by the president? >> yeah. the trip's not locked in. may not happen but exploring the idea of late february the

president heading to europe likely eastern europe potentially poland where he was last year soon after the war began. another possibility would be brussels, the headquarters to nato because he has really reinvigorated that alliance. it is a year of international travel for the president. he hopes to head back to europe when finland and sweden become members of nato. this is a reflection of this white house's realization to keep the attention on the conflict. they want to keep the money flowing to ukraine. tanks went there this week. there's concerns that republicans will block the funding. they want to say we're with you. we need to stay the course in supporting ukraine and a big moment to attract media

attention would go to that and plans also not finalized potentially for president zelenskyy of ukraine to come here to the united states to address the united nations in a few weeks around the one-year mark of the invasion. >> wow. just this side note. former president trump commented on his social media platform yesterday act the biden administration's decisions to send tanks to ukraine writing in one post, first come the tanks, then come the nukes. get this crazy war ended now. so easy to do. sounds so much like vladimir putin and also i remember he asked a lot of questions early on about using nukes and whether or not he could use them. if i were president the war would never have happened. but even now if president i would be able to negotiate --

okay. you know what? somebody's reporting that he is losing the grip on reality. we'll get to that in a moment and losing the top supporters that know a little bit about form policy. in an interview with cbs news trump's one time former national adviser john bolton called him a nation at security threat. >> i think republicans, especially after the november 8 elections last year, see that he is poisoned the ticket. he cannot be elected president. if he were the republican nominee he would doom a chance to get the majority in the senate and the house. i don't think he will be the republican nominee. i worry about the danger he can cause. >> is trump a danger to national security? >> i believe he is. the damage in the term was significant we reparable. i worried what to do in a second

term might be irreputable. >> you continue to think about the presidential race. it is something you are considering? >> that's exactly right. >> and now to that comment about grip on reality, conservative columnist cook has a new piece for "national review" entitled "trump has completely lost his grip on reality." let's check in on the shadow primary if the republican nomination. nikki hailey is putting together a finance committee. mike pompeo has just published a book. governor desantis has continued to pick winning fights in florida. and then donald trump's despite being the only candidate to officially announce his bid is ranting like a deranged hobo in a public park. trump resembled nothing so much as a drunken talk radio caller from queens and readers get the

treat of watching him at the zenith of the rhetorical powers. he can make numbers up off the top of his head. he can use hyperbolic analogies. he can do anything except focus on the world outside where the problems he once used the propel himself into the white house are real and pressing. whether or not he chooses to engage with them. eugene, i doubt you disagree with this. >> no. >> i think -- i think john bolton talking about the danger that trump poses to this country is a step. is a step. a number of other top republican leaders need to follow especially given the totality of the show today and remembering and where joe is. >> yeah. >> the big lie is a dangerous thing. >> it certainly is.

yet, we are concerned about whether the congress with its current makeup and the republican majority in the house will continue to support the brave ukrainian people fighting for their freedom on the front lines. again imagine if donald trump had been president when this war started. imagine where we would be now. we would not be where we are. we would be in a much worse place i think. he is a national security threat. he was a national security threat as president. he would be a national disaster were you elected president again. and the one question i have about the piece that we cited is what's new about it? i mean, he's been ranting like a deranged hobo in a dilapidated park for a long, long time, and

many, many people have responded to that and follow his rantings. he's still a powerful figure in one of our two major political parties. one hopes that power is finally waning, the influence is finally waning, and you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but we're certainly not out of it yet. and so, you know, he's the only announced candidate. right now he's the front-runner for the nomination, and we'll have to see how this works out. >> the man yelling in the park certainly is a vivid image, isn't it. let's look into that question, gene, of whether republicans really are getting a wandering eye, looking for someone else away from donald trump. "the new york times" has new insight into that this morning. some members of the republican national party appear to be backing away from donald trump. dozens of members have expressed doubts about trump's chances to win back the white house in 2024. "the new york times" reached out to all 168 rnc members and

interviewed the 59 who responded. only 4 of the 59 said privately they'd support trump, 4 of 59, while the others either flatout rejected him or spoke in favor of a crowded primary field in the hopes of finding a stronger presidential nominee. so, jonathan lemire, we've said this almost every day in the last several months, you dismiss donald trump at your own peril. he's of course a powerful force in the republican party. but if you get people on the phone, talk to them privately and some publicly are saying there's got to be a better way in our party. >> this is certainly the most political weirdness trump has displayed since january of 2001, where we are seeing republicans for the first time in a long time talk about alternatives, suggest he can't win again. his sin is not having dinner with a white supremacist or posting something ridiculous on truth social or seemingly siding with vladimir putin by suggesting that ukraine should

abandon its war efforts, but it's about losing and the fact that he is blamed for the 2022 defeats in the midterms for the republican party, where they did not do nearly as well as expected. i'll note that a crowded primary field might work to trump's advantage, because he definitely has a ceiling, and i think that's what republicans are fearful about, that he can't win a general election because he has a creeling of support. we know he also has a floor. he has a base that will go with him just about anywhere, and the more candidates that are many the field probably the better chance he has emerging victorious. there are some cracks in the armor to be sure. we're seeing ron desantis, who has not yet announced his candidacy, pick someone else to be rnc other than mcdaniel. that's a sign of perhaps him weighing in and saying he's going to announce his candidacy. no one else has. it's an important stretch for trump, mika. he's getting back on the trail. can he silence these doubts or will they grow?

>> and one more note, former president trump's transportation secretary, elaine chao, is speaking out over racist comments trump consistently makes about her. in a social media post on monday, trump tried to baselessly claim she was connected to the biden classified document case. in his post, trump used a nickname, centered around hereth nis ti to describe her. this is at least the sixth time he's used a racist nickname to drik the former transportation secretary. this is a woman who worked with him. she wrote in part, "when i was young, some people deliberately misspelled or mispronounced my name. asian americans have worked hard to change that experience for the next generation. he doesn't seem to understand that, which says a whole lot more about him than it will ever say about asian americans." coming up, we will speak

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9:00 a.m. on the east coast and 6:00 a.m. out west on this friday, january 27th. and we begin with news just in to us at "morning joe," breaking news, president joe biden confirming that his chief of staff, ron klain, is leaving the

white house. he'll be replaced by jeff zients, who was biden's first covid coordinator. the president released a statement on his outgoing chief of staff calling ron klain a once in a generation talent with a fierce and brilliant intellect. just as important, we has a really big heart. the president writes when he was elected he knew he wanted ron to lead the white house staff, describing ron as tough, smart, determined, and persistent as anyone he has ever met. the president also commended klain for assembling the most diverse and talented white house team in history. president biden praised incoming chief of staff jeff zients for his work with the white house's covid response, which he calls a massive logistical undertaking of historic proportions as well as his previous work with the obama/biden administration. next week the white house will host an official transition

event. jonathan lemire, just your thoughts on this and your insight. obviously through your contactings at the white house. but being a covid coordinator is a massive job, especially given what they were inheriting. >> yes. this was reported a week or so back, now official from the president of the united states. start with ron klain, who came to that job at an extraordinarily difficult moment, president biden taking office just two weeks after the january 6th insurrection, at the height of the covid pandemic in an economy rattled by all that had come before. and he oversaw a white house that was relatively leak free, not much in the way of drama, certainly compared to the white house that preceded it in the trump administration, and one that got a lot of things done as we've talked about on the show quite a bit. sure, there were missteps along the way, but they put up an enviable legislative record and we saw democrats do much better than expected in last year's

midterms. klain well liked in the building, deserves a lot of credit there. jeff zients coming in, it is a different task. people who know him say he's an operations guy. he can manage big projects. he has been tapped on before to handle big projects. under president obama, brought in to help fix the healthcare.gov web site that was launched some years ago, and then of course president biden tapped him to lead the covid response. now he gets an even bigger job. he's seen and described as being less political than klain, probably be less involved with the day-to-day politics of the white house, but he has a lot on his plate running a white house that will be under investigations from the republican party and of course gearing up for a potential 2024 re-election bid, willie. >> certainly. he is a business executive, jeff zients, but no stranger to the inner workings of government and politics. ran the national economic council, omb, among others.

ron klain leaving as white house chief of staff, jeff zients is in. later today the memphis police department will release video of the traffic stop that left 29-year-old tyre nichols dead. all five officers involved in his death have been fired and face a number of charges including murder. joining us from memphis, nbc news senior national correspondent tom llamas. what more can you tell us today? >> reporter: good morning. we have new information about that video. the police chief in memphis has been doing interviews this morning and says the video will be posted on youtube sometime after 7:00 p.m. eastern. the decision for that essentially, they want to make sure children and local businesses are out of the area, after-school activities are done for the day in case there are any kind of violent protests. she says when you see this video, it does not look like tyre nichols should have been pulled over for reckless driving. those are her words.

all of this as we've learned at least 4 of the 5 police officers who have been charged with second-degree murder, who have been fired from the memphis police department, they have now bonded out of jail, this as the nicholls family, including his 4-year-old child, are all demanding justice, and even president biden is weighing in, calling for peace here in memphis. this morning, memphis bracing and officials begging for peace as video is set to be released show hough 29-year-old tyre nichols ended up like this and later dying while in police custody. >> our family is grief stricken. >> reporter: overnight, a prayer vigil at one of his favorite spots, a memphis skate park, his mother sending this message to the city. >> i didn't see it, but from what i hear, it's going to be horrific. but i want each and every one of you to protest in peace.

>> reporter: five fired memphis police officers have now been charged with several crimes, including second-degree murder, aggravated assault, and kidnapping. >> the actions of all of them resulted in the death of tyre nichols, and they are all responsible. >> reporter: the footage, which has been viewed by nichols' family and their attorneys but not made public showed a january 7th traffic stop and a confrontation with those officers. then an alleged beating the family describes as similar to what happened to rodney king. according to the family's attorneys, an independent autopsy found he suffered from extreme bleeding caused by a severe beating. but it's still unclear exactly what happened. police say they pulled him over for reckless driving around 8:30 p.m. that night. a confrontation followed. pepper spray was used and nichols fled on foot. >> there was another altercation at a nearby location at which

the serious injuries were experienced by mr. nichols. after some period of time of waiting around afterwards, he was taken away by an ambulance. >> reporter: he would die three days later. the incident now being investigated by local, state, and federal authorities. two members of the memphis fire department who were part of his initial patient care were also fired while an internal investigation continues. >> they absolutely will plead not guilty. >> reporter: desmond mills jr. posted bail overnight. you haven't seen the video but i'm sure you've seen that photo of tyre nichols in the hospital. >> i have. >> reporter: when you saw that, what did you think? >> it looked like someone crossed the line, but mr. mills is not one of those individuals that crossed the line. >> this is not about race or color. this is about a race against the

injustices that's called police brutality. >> reporter: we've learned this morning that several of the officers were part of the scorpion unit, a special unit at the memphis police department that targets gang crime and awe though theft, but investigators haven't said why this unit was responsible for stopping nichols. we've also learned this to mrning that families' attorneys and now the police chief are both confirming that in the video, either the bod i can cam or the surveillance video, you can hear tyre nichols call out for his mother as he was being beaten. back to you. >> echoes of other incidents we've seen where that's happened. the police chief, c.j. davis, using the term to describe the video, from the police chief herself, heinous, reckless, inhumane, and horrific. the public will see that video later today. tom llamas, thank you so much. mika? we will turn back to

politics now and another california democrat is launching a bid for dianne feinstein's senate seat. congressman adam schiff officially entered that race yesterday just days after he was removed from the house intelligence committee by house speaker kevin mccarthy. he took a jab at the california republican on twitter yesterday, writing, happy birthday, kevin. i'm running to be your next u.s. senator. it will likely be a crowded democratic primary field. katie porter has announced her campaign. congresswoman barbara lee told colleagues she plans to run. and congressman roca that has said he is considering a senate bid as well. as for senator feinstein, she gave an update on her time line for her decision on whether she'll seek re-election for another six-year term. >> senator, where are you going to make your decision about 2024? >> oh, probably in a cup molls.

my husband passed away a short time ago. >> i'm so sorry. >> i want to get through it. he had cancer. so i think i'll just take some time. >> what do you make of people who are already announcing? >> oh, i think it's all fine. i think people should, if they want to run, run. for me, i just need a little bit more time. >> aw. congressman adam schiff joins us now. thank you very much for being on this morning. we want to talk about your announcement, but i first want to talk to you about the work in congress. we haven't spoken to you since you got bumped off the intel committee. what are your biggest concerns about working with this new congress moving forward? >> well, i'm deeply concerned with the speaker's actions in attacking the independence of the intelligence committee. we've never had a speaker who would decide for the other party who would be the leading

democrat on that committee. that in conjunction with the establishment of this new select committee on this weaponization of the federal government which will have access to classified information, those two acts i think will cause the intelligence community to distrust the congress and be reluctant to share information that policymakers need to make critical decisions about national security. so, you know, another early indication that kevin mccarthy is going to do the bidding of the most extreme elements of his conference, people like marjorie taylor greene, and do so as a disservice to the country. >> what do you make of the fact that greene and others, people who have pushed disinformation l are now sitting on these committees? >> well, you know, this shows the weakness, not the strength of kevin mccarthy, that george santos, this, you know, serial fraudster, the marjorie taylor greenes and paul gosars, these

extreme members who have encouraged violence against other members of congress, are being seated and given important responsibilities because mccarthy needs their votes. you know, a party bankrupt of morality now, divorced from the truth, and welded to these crazy people in their conference. >> congressman, good morning. let's talk about your aspirations for a new job in the united states senate. you made that announcement yesterday that you were jumping in the race for the seat currently held by dianne feinstein. we've talked with congress welcome katie porter when she got in. it's expected barbara lee will get in. looks like most of the house delegation from california is going to run in this race. they all have strong progressive credentials. why are you different from these other candidates in the race? >> well, i think if you look at the critical fights to protect our democracy, the critical fights to strengthen our economy, i've been at the center of those struggles for the last

decade, leading the investigations into president trump's misconduct, leading the first impeachment trial, to the first bipartisan vote to convict a president in u.s. history, participating in the january 6th hearings, and exposing all of the multiple efforts to overturn our election and interfere with the peaceful transfer of power, and championing an economy that will work for everyone. i think a big part of the reason why our democracy is vulnerable is that for the last three decades our economy has become structured in such a way that millions of people are seeing their quality of life slip away. there are concerns about their children's future. and it has left people open to a demagogue who promises that he alone can fix it. for people that want to support my campaign or learn more, they can go to adamschiff.com to donate. but these are the cardinal l issues, the kind of leadership

california expects their senator to demonstrate. >> what about senator dianne feinstein? some people have wondered if you may be -- and katie porter, as well, should have waited to announce she wasn't running. what do you say about senator feinstein, and do you believe it's time for new blood in the race? >> i spoke with her earlier and told her i planned to make an announcement. we had met some weeks ago where i expressed my interest in running and the key issues i see facing our state and our country. she could not have been more gracious. she was very encouraging of my making this announcement, did not try to discourage me in in any way. i do want to do this in a respectful way, which is why i stay in constant touch with her. we work together on intelligence matters as the two top democrats in the house. we've worked together on gun safety. she's, as you know, championed

the assault weapons ban. i've been carrying for years the legislation joe biden has called perhaps the most important gun safety measure that would strip away from the liability gun manufacturers have. we have not only had a great relationship, but i have genuine admiration and affection for the senator and make sure i give her the respect she has earned. >> democratic congressman adam schiff of california, now a candidate for u.s. senate. thank you very much for being on this morning. >> thank you. all right. and as we've been telling you all morning long, joe is reporting this morning live from outside the site of what was the auschwitz concentration camp to mark international holocaust remembrance day. we remember today the terror, the torture, the murders, and how it all began. joe? >> hi, mika.

in the age of social media and 24/7 news channels, we've become so accustomed to the daily barrage of grim news reporting and depressing stories from uvalde to ukraine and been conditioned to compartmentalize. we somehow digest the bad news and we move on throughout the day. but for anyone who's set foot on the grounds of the auschwitz death camp here, there's really no compartmentalizing of emotions. there's no moving on throughout your day. there's no grasping the unparalleled evil that happened right here culminating in the systemic slaughter of 6 million jews. how, after all, does one comprehend how a country, an army, a single person perform such daily, depraved acts on other human beings? and how the scale of these evil actions led ultimately to 6

million deaths. we simply cannot. but history does provide an understanding of how such horrors began. it began with a lie. then more lies. and then the big lie. this tragic case, the lie was that the jews lost the first world war for germany. lies spread too easily among german, and it led to jewish homes and businessing being vand liszed, to jews being singled out in those businesses and in schools. it led to a permissive attitude toward creeping anti-semitism, until the lies and the stigmatism of jews led step by step by step to deportations, executions, and ultimately extermination. the first chapter of the holocaust against the jewish people is why we are here, to

remind ourselves again that anti-semitism can never be allowed to find safe harbor in polite society, whether on elite college campuses, on social media platforms, or in country clubs with former presidents. passive acceptance invites violence. holocaust survivor and nazi hunter simon wiesenthal warned that violence is like a weed -- it does not die even in the greatest drought. and he warned president carter and the white house in 1980 that hitler and stalin are alive today, and they're waiting for us to forget, because in forgetting, we make possible the resurrection of these monsters. so it is that these grounds, this gathering here today, this

holocaust museum every day bears witness to what happened here and across europe not so long ago. mr. wiesenthal wrote that his entire life of hunting down nazis had been driven by a singular focus -- to send a warning to the murderers of tomorrow -- you will never rest. and neither should we ever rest or ever forget. i spoke about this important day with second gentleman douglas imhoff just moments ago here in poland. that conversation is straight ahead. mika? >> all right, joe. thank you very much. again, live from auschwitz. we look forward to that conversation with doug emhoff. thank you very much. also ahead on "morning joe," breaking economic news from the commerce department. u.s. households cut spending in december, adding to signs of a slowdown. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will join us to break down the new

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6:22 in the morning as the sun begins to creep up in los angeles. 9:22 on the east coast. a federal judge is blocking enforcement of a california law that allows regulators to punish doctors who spread false information about covid-19 vaccines and treatments. a judge on wednesday ruled the definitions of misinformation the law's enforcement are, quote, unconstitutionally vague. this is one of two legal challenges gen the law. in december, a judge denied an injunction in the other case, raising the likelihood it will head to the u.s. court of appeals. the fbi worked with officials in europe to shut down a major ransomware operation. a group called hives is accused of extorting $1 million from organizations around the world.

attorney general merrick garland says the group hacked computer systems at hospitals, school districts, and financial firms, stealing data and sometimes publishing it. southwest airlines reported a $220 million loss in the fourth quarter following the company's holiday meltdown. the airline canceled more than 15,000 flights, you'll remember, from december 21st through 31st. southwest says the mass cancellations cost the airline $800 million, expected to impact revenue through march by as much as $350 million. still, the airline reported a record fourth quarter revenue of $6 billion. and just moments ago, the commerce department reported consumer spending fell 0.2% in december. underlying inflation cooled to its slowest pace since october 2021. let's bring in the co-anchor of cnbc's "squawk box," our friend andrew ross sorkin. good morning. explain that number, 0.2% on

consumer spending. how do we read that number? >> bottom line, we're getting battered by lots of different data. we talked about yesterday how consumer spending kept the economy afloat. it has, but we're now seeing that actually people are saving a little bit more. this is actually happening as incomes are rising. you're still seeing people pull back a little bit. that has people worried that a recession could be coming, and, in fact, people may be pulling back because they think a recession is coming. to make it more complicated, though, you have to set that aside and start to think about what does the federal reserve do. that's been the big question mark in all of this. it may actually ease concerns that they will continue to hike and raise interest rates. they're likely to do that next week, but it's not what they do next week or next month but later in the year. and i just want to point out something i said to you yesterday, willie, the most

important point about consumer spending. when you talk to the ceos of the biggest banks in america who can literally look for better or worse through checking accounts and they can see how much money people have, what they're worried about is how much money people will have not this month or next month, but they say come june, july, and august of this coming year, things are going to get very, very tight. some of those stim luck checks and the like and everything else, that's when it's really going to roll off. that's what i think people are really focused on. >> we're starting to see a little of that with consumer spending dipping in december. andrew, another day, another massive eye-popping profit for an oil company. chevron announced yesterday its largest annual profit in the history of the company and then buying back $75 billion worth of its own stock. boy, these oil companies have had a heck of a year. >> so, this to me is the big policy debate. and, look, the white house has

already come out, denounced these buybacks and dividends and says, you know, why aren't you giving us lower oil prices? look at these huge profits. at the same time, of course, the conundrum is if you want an oil company in this day and age and the transition hopefully to clean energy and the like is upon us, you have to think what should i do with this money, when is which is to say should i keep drilling, which we want them to do in the short term, but maybe they don't want to do and we don't want to do for our climate in the long term, so what do they do with that money? they buy it back and think it's more productive to do that an keep drilling. we have an insensitive problem in this country and some questions about what should happen next. >> of course president biden has been highly critical of oil companies for having these big profits at the time when gas prices have been up. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin thanks so much. see you soon. >> have a good weekend. joe, i understand you just wrapped up your exclusive

conversation with second gentleman doug emhoff. tell us what we'll be seeing coming you have after the break here. >> i did. willie, you saw the pictures earlier, the second gentleman was at a memorial service here. he also took a tour of the camp with ambassador brzezinski and others. it was a deeply emotional time for him. his family has a family home not far from here. and i spoke with him at the last existing synagogue in this area, and we talked about this morning, talked about how emotional it was for him and also, well, the challenges that we face in america, that the very moving emotional interview with him coming up right after the break. next on behind the series... let me tell you about the greatest roster ever assembled.

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welcome back to "morning joe." we're live from the auschwitz concentration camp.

shots of auschwitz and the barbed wire fence. the guard houses. i asked how much is original and what was created. it's original. what you're seeing here is what was here when 1 million jews were brought to this camp, killed, an extermination of over a million human beings in auschwitz. one person who attended the memorial ceremonies this morning was douglas emhoff. he is the just a second gentleman of the united states and the first jewish spouse of an american president or vice president. when i spoke to doug just a few moments ago -- doug, it's great to see you. >> thank you. >> we've already shown pictures of you walking around the camp. you went to a memorial service. can you even put into words what this day means? >> you know, i'm really sill

processing it. we just left and came right here, and it really is hard to talk about it right now. it's very emotional. we were there a long time. and, you know, it's, like, what did i see? and you see where people were murdered, a million people were murdered there in cold blood. >> right. >> because of anti-semitism. and it's the little things, though. >> right. >> they have displays of children's shoes. they have the glasses that they took off of the bodies. they have women's hair. they have all these things that make it so real. and for those folks who would deny that this happened -- >> right. >> -- you know, see what we just saw. it just -- it's as real as it gets. >> it's so massive, the tragedy is so massive that i've always

found it hard to get my arms around it, that this could ever happen. and it's so overwhelming, but it's those little thing, isn't it. >> yeah. >> those little things. i think of spielberg's movie where there's a little girl in the red coat. it's the shoes like you're talking about. >> and you'll see within the shoes there are bits of collar, and that's exactly what you're thinking about. and, again, these were people -- there's one display where they're showing almost the before and after where you see these beautiful scenes of people, jewish people, but what are they doing? they're just living their everyday lives. >> right. >> and then they show this horrific anti-semitism, and you hear it, you actually hear the voices, and then the third thing you see is death. >> by the way, jewish people, many of them, did not leave because even they at that time

couldn't imagine. anti-semitism has been with us for thousands of year, but this was so different. i want to ask you, one of the reasons we're here on an anniversary that doesn't end in a zero or a five, is what's going on in america. >> right. >> talk about, sadly, the anti-semitism rising in america. >> it's the -- they're not just saying it now, they're screaming it. >> right. >> and it's almost becoming too every day, and we can't normalize it, joe, and that's one of the reasons the administration has been so strong on this. >> right. >> i think the president said in his statement, but he's said this many times, he ran for president because of those tiki torches. you will not replace us. >> right. >> and he told me a story before the trip. he took me to the oval office, and he's just so passionate about this. he told me the story about his

own father who had talked to then young president biden about the holocaust and how outraged his own father was, and how he has been to dachau, his children, his grandchildren. >> his father said he took his children to dachau. >> he did. and we spent a good 20 minutes in the oval office before this trim because he just wanted me to know how important this issue is to him and this administration. >> we talked about how important it is to you. talk about your family. you're going to be going to an ancestral home. >> it's emotional. i learned just last year that one of the things as second gentleman, naturalization ceremonies. so we went to ellis island, and i got to see the ship ledger from where my father's grandfather and his family came from poland. >> right. >> about 120 years ago.

so we are part of this visit and we began to talk about anti-semitism and work with our european allies on this and also kind of see where i came from. >> right. >> and it's right here. and it's going to be intense, but i'm looking forward to doing that. >> it's also, while we talked about where you came from, talked about poland, you look at what this town has done in the shadow of auschwitz, what this building is doing. we're now moving into a synagogue that, of course, is empty because at the start of 1933, there were millions of jews in poland, by the end of the war, tens of thousands, now very little. but this entire place is actually amuseum. it talks about the importance of tolerance, the importance of accepting others. lessons learned. >> it's so important to do that

and so important to do it on an interfaith basis. >> right. >> i know you're so passionate about this issue. a lot of the people that we met today, the executive director, the tour guide are not jewish. a lot of the people that have come up to me to thank me for speaking out and doing this work, supporting the administration's work on pushing back on anti-semitism are not jewish. and they want to work with me and the administration on pushing back because, again, we see what happens. we saw the history 75, 80 years ago, and we're seeing what's happening today and we have to push back on it. >> this town around us was predominantly jewish, and this was a synagogue. we're walking into the main synagogue here. and, again, it's used now only for those who come from auschwitz and want a place to

come and worship. one thing when you're in this town is unfortunately what president biden talked about. it was ordinary people who carried out unspeakable barbarism. it was ordinary people who were slaughtered. and it was ordinary people who were complicit by just standing by. talk about that, and, again, the warning that that sends to americans today after everything that you've seen in auschwitz. >> yeah. this is why we do this work. this is why we have to educate people on what the holocaust is, what it meant, what anti-semitism is, what it meant, and what it can mean. and it is the banality of evil that they talk about. and we have to push back on it. that's why i always say we can't

normalize it. anytime we hear it, we have to call it out. and there has to be consequence to it as well. we need leaders, and you talk about this all the time, you've got so-called leader who is see this stuff, hear this stuff, and they know better. >> right. >> and they don't say a word. they don't say a word because some lack courage. we cannot have that. this is not a both-sides issue, there are not two sides to the holocaust, there's not two sides to anti-semitism. we all must speak up and speak out so we can avoid what we're seeing, what i just walked out of and what we're seeing here today. we cannot have it. >> we're here in poland again in the shadow of this place where unspeakable horrors were committed. is there anything, any final words you'd like to say to the "morning joe" family from poland about what you've seen, what they need to be aware of?

>> let's just make sure that this doesn't become just a once-in-a-year story or only when we hear these horrible instances of anti-semitism that we're seeing. this needs to be all the time. you know, i am here for the marking of the international holocaust remembrance day, but we need to remember it every day. i'd ask your viewers, there's so much going on all the time, we get caught up in all these things, that's one of the reasons i'm so passionate about doing this work on behalf of the administration. yes, there's lots going on, but this has to be front and center, because if we let this hay trade, this epidemic of hate just keep spreading, it's going to affect all of you out there. it's not just about jewish people. it's about all of us. >> all right. second gentleman douglas emhoff, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> a great conversation there, joe. and i'm just interested in your impressions being there.

in some ways the holocaust, the numbers, they're so overwhelming, they're so vast, in some ways they become abstract. 6 million jews were killed. we know that. it horrifies us. but when you go to a place like auschwitz or the holocaust memorial museum back here at home in washington, it becomes very real. it's not abstract anymore. it is about the shoes and the people and the families and human lives one by one that were taken. >> it is so massive. it's hard to believe as you turn around and look at this camp over 1 million jews were slaughtered here, were exterminated, something that the human mind just can't grasp. and many of us thought that coming here -- i know doug felt this way, the second gentleman -- that coming here, there might be a better

understanding of the totality of this horror. but in the end, it's just what he said. you look at a pair of one child's shoes, one of the 1 million-plus slaughtered here, executed here, and it drives it home. it makes it all that much more personal, that much more resonant and tragic all of these years later. we're here in january of 2023 and, you know, willie, it's kind of, like, you know, when we started going to d-day anniversaries in normandy, there were more vets that walked those grounds, but there are still holocaust survivors alive, still coming here to commemorate this

tragic day, and it makes it all the more shocking that this happened in our lifetime and that many politicians in america could still be so calloused about anti-semitism. >> again, holocaust remembrance day marks january 27th, 1945, when the red army, soviet forces, liberated the camp, began to liberate the camp where joe is standing today. i'm so glad you were there on behalf of our audience to remind us of this story, to bring this story to us, and to connect it to what we're seeing today. so, safe travels home, and thanks for all your reporting this morning. >> thank you so much, willie pop. >> we'll be right back with more "morning joe." next on behind the series... the boss upended the whole roster. here's this young sub from jersey, brimming with confidence.

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6:49 a.m. in san francisco. that's the golden gate bridge, but the bay area's eyes this weekend will be about 3,000 miles east -- philadelphia. the 49ers/eagles this weekend. starting sunday, kicking off a double-header of football. we talked earlier in the show about the matchups, and i got to say, brock purdy, remarkable story, mr. irrelevant, the last pick in the draft, undefeated. he's only played two road games in that stretch, both against pretty suspect defenses, seattle and las vegas. he goes on the road again this time against a fierce eagles defense that has the best pass rush in the league. i think that's going to be the difference many the in the gam. >> it's a tough -- how about that environment going into philadelphia. that place is dwoing to be bananas. good for all those long suffering fans in philadelphia. but like the brock purdy story. he was mr. irrelevant.

that means you were the last person selected in the draft. he was last year out of iowa state and has been on this incredible run since jimmy g. went down. they have been on fire. i wouldn't -- sometimes a young quarterback just doesn't know any better and he's cool and calm and goes in and plays great the way he has for these last couple months. i think i agree with you. the eagles, jalen hurts looks like he's dialled back. the defense is good. they are healthy again. they just smacked my giants last week. it wasn't even close. that game was over about five minutes in. you have to pick the eagles at home. but i think brock purdy is going to have a good day. the other marquee matchup is the ben gals at arrowhead.

he had eight days to recover so he's maybe going to be okay. then just pure swagger out of joe burrow and the favorite on the road in kansas city. a slight favorite. chiefs playing the home dog. the bengals are playing with a ton of confidence. >> high ankle sprain usually sidelines a player for about four weeks. not only is he playing, but he's not even limpling around. no walking boot. it seems like he's going to be maybe not 100%, but close enough. he gutted out last week and helped the chiefs by the jags. and it's a rematch. let's remember the bengals did go into arrowhead and win. this year's team is better than last year's team. they also have a chip on their shoulder. there's a neutral site had it be chiefs and bills.

heard last week saying get your refunds. that was their answer and their swagger and motivating cry. this one is going to be great. i'm going bengals and ooeg eagles, which would give us a terrific super bowl. >> i'm going to take the chiefs at home. i think mahomes want thes to get back there, especially after losing last year to the bengals. i think most people agree at this point we have the four best teams and four exciting teams and four really good quarterbacks and good defenses. so it should be a fun sunday coming up. we have an update on a story. we expressed skepticism yesterday ands it was well found. the viral moment that everybody has been talking about, you probably saw involving a food delivery guy who wondered on to the court during a college basketball at ducane has prompted the university to review its safety protocols and tighten security measures after it was revealed it was a frank. this a statement the school said

this was a prank planned in advance done for internet exposure. we determined the individual is wearing a mic while someone walked on to the court during active play. while the incident may have seemed funny at the time and no harm was done, incidents like this can put players and officials at risk. so the story was, oh, this doordash guy got an order. he wandered out looking for the guy to deliver to and found himself on the court. you and i immediately wondered that we had some practical questions about how he got through the gate and how he got into the game, why he didn't notice there was an active basketball game being played and it turns out it was a prank. >> further evidence that our instincts are spot on. we saw right through this one here it was too good to be true. it was a pretty obvious prank but i will say mugs accomplished ask that's why we're texting yesterday afternoon. i was thinking about mcdonald's

all day. i didn't do it. i'm on a new yore's diet, but to plant the idea in someone's head a big mac sounded good. >> it did. we have to keep people off the court. it one of those players stepped on the dpie's foot, don't do that. but we're in the age of tiktok performtive living. everything is for an audience. just go to the game and enjoy it. thank you very much. we'll see you back on monday. that does it for us this morning we'll see you back here on "morning joe" on monday morning. and this sunday over on nbc, my guest will be ana de armas was nominated for an academy award for her performance as marilyn monroe in the film "blond." the movie is a little divisive, but her mans performance is undenial. she was rewarded with an oscar

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7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. right now in memphis, officials are bracing for potential protests ahead of the release of video that shows the traffic stop and confrontation between police officers and tyre nichols, who died three days after the encounter. the officers are charged with second-degree murder. we'll bring you the latest from memphis. more heavy weapons are headed to the ukrainian battlefield as the country recovers from another brutal round of deadly missile attacks. we'll ask adam smut what kind of aid ukraine is going to need going forward. also this hour, a new government report reveals consumer spending fell last month. we'll break down what this means for our economy. and the southern border, the number of migrant deaths has reached new highs. we'll look at what one group working to identify people to make sure no one is forgotten.