tv Chris Jansing Reports MSNBC January 27, 2023 10:00am-11:00am PST
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else to say right now. i have said so many things in the last few days. really i want to say i have never seen the video, but what i have heard is very horrific, very horrific. and any of you who have children, please don't let them see it. i just want to ask for prayer for my family, for this whole community and i want to say to the five police officers that murdered my son, you also
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disgraced your own families when you did this. but you know what? i'm going to pray for you ask your families because at the end of the day, this shouldn't have happened. this just shouldn't have happened. we the justice for my son. justice for my son. >> justice for tyre. >> justice for tyre. >> justice for tyre. >> justice for tyre. >> justice for tyre. >> i just want to thank everybody, again, for coming. i have a lot of words that you want to say, but they are just not coming out right. i still haven't had time to grieve yet. i'm still dealing with the death of my son.
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this was not supposed to happen. my son was supposed to be with me today. i'll auls know i'll always be with him because he has a tattoo of my name on his arm. my son loved me to death and i love him to death. so this is very difficult for me. i'm sorry if i'm not articulating myself a little bit better. >> you're doing fine. [ applause ] >> no matter mother, no mother, no mother should go through what i'm going through right now. no mother, to lose their child to the violent way that i lost my child. thank you. [ applause ]
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for him, do you know how i feel right now? because i wasn't there for my son. i was telling someone that i had this really bad pain this my stomach earlier, not knowing what had happened. once i found out what happened, that was my son's pain that i was feeling. i didn't even know. for me to find out that my son was calling my name, and i was only feet and did not even hear him, you have to clue how i feel right now. no clue. >> thank you. >> we're going to try to limit the questions for ms. wells. we'll try to take all of them.
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you asked why hasn't it changed? we have been dealing with racism and discrimination in america. racism across the world for hundreds of years. and it's going to have to be intentional being automobile to disseminate, deconstruct racism and bias. and as i said, it is the institution of police culture it's not just the police culture. it's the justice system. we have bias in every aspect of society. and so you don't see officers doing this to white citizens because our court system has said that they value white life more than any other life.
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so we finally have to speak truth to power on these issues to say the reason why we keep seeing it happen to black and brown people is because it is the culture in this society that we can marginalize brown and black people, that we can trample on the rights of black and brown people, and that's why we have to continue to say, no, it's not equal justice for some. it's equal justice for all. >> yes, they have a right as any american citizen to have a reasonable bail, because they are presumed innocent until proven guilty. we don't want to change any of the standards because they are black police officers. whatever have been done for other officers who were not
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black who committed these crimes on video, it should be equal justice. everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty in america. i'm going to ask my co-counsellor to speak on that. >> your question was how do we clean this up? you have to start with swift activity. the swift activity is the callout to stop and disband this unit. and then from there, going in and restoring trust.
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how do you restore trust? how about real community policing as opposed to suppression and racist police ing. that's what you have to start. let me tell you how your question matches the gentleman's question in the front row. why do we see this continuing to happen? i'll give you two reasons. it's a two-way street. the other side doesn't want it. the unions don't want it. this is like a carnival. you see the strong man trying to hit the target and make and ring the bell and it's a rigged game. we try to ring the bell, but we can't because it's rigged. until we start reform with municipaliies in the union contracts where real reform is, that's when you'll see real changes. number two, call out the
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>> this particular incident happened on the weekend. tyre and his dad, they work for fedex. they both work second shift. they come home for lunch every day at 7:00. i'll have dinner cooked. they would eat, hang out and go back to work. well, now my husband is coming home every day, but not my son. it was a saturday. he was coming from shelby farms about the time of the incident. he liked to go and watch the sunset and take pictures. that was his thing.
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my son loved the sunsets. that was his passion. he loved photography. he loved skateboarding. he was just his own person. he didn't follow what everybody else was doing. tried to buy him a pair of jordans one time and he said i don't want those. i'm just telling you guys, my son was a beautiful soul. he was a good boy. to one is perfect. but he was damn near. he was close to the home. he was scared for his life. i didn't see the video, but everyone asked me what i thought happened. and i told them.
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now you prove me wrong. >> she said that before she knew about the video. just the photograph they took said him in the hospital the next day with his head swelled up. they said beyond recognition. >> thank you. i think briefly we'll try to respond to the first part of your question. the police chief should disband the scorpion unit immediately. i am sad to even think that what you said is true that they would use african-american officers to
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go because they thought it would get less attention. we know that other citizens have colt forward saying saying their constitutional rights were violated by this scorpion unit, and they they tried to report them. nothing happened. so we cannot give anybody a pass on our constitutional rights on our dignity, on our humanity. it doesn't matter if it's a black or white police officer. that's what hurts so bad. you want them to see the humanity in us. you keep thinking to yourself, these officers got to understand that that could have been your brother, your little brother, tyre could have been your little brother. would you want anybody to do
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what you were doing to tyre to your little brother? and that's how you have to think about it. what if this was my family member. hopefully every police officer this america is going to start thinking, what if this was my brother or my sister or my child. that's what we want. we want compassion and respect, the same way you deescalate with white citizens, deescalate with black citizen toos. we all want to get home to our families. we want you to get home to your family. ask we want to get home to our families. we'll take a few more. >> what do you say to the activists?
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the activists are out there drawing attention to the family's situation. and myself personally in this field have been pushed off by legal teams knowing that i'm staying and even talking to other activists to stay for these families and being the voice out there. what do you tell them when they are out there fighting for family and to be pushed off and not heard. >> the first things i always try to do, a the lot of people who are activists end up working for my law firm because when you have a commitment to justice, that's what we want to be about. and always want to thank the activists, every press conference, the first thing i do is thank the activists. because without you all, we
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wouldn't be at this point. nobody was talking about justice for tyre like you all. there's something going on with this attorney crump. and i want to applaud you all because without you all, we wouldn't have gotten justice for tyre, for george floyd, ahmaud arbery, breonna taylor without the activists. there's no way we can get justice. so we thank all the activists in the community. >> i'll say this.
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i think that the da had the benefit of being able to slow down the tape and dissect the video and look at blow by blow, kick by kick, strike by strike with the police in every aspect of it. i want to believe that they try ed to show respect to the family and charge them with the most they felt they could get a conviction on. and headache no mistake about it. the video, you all tried to think to yourself what are the correct charges. we don't need anybody to interpret it for us. you look at that video for yourself and see where the act is intentional.
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you actually stutter for a minute and make sure that you get intentional. you can imagine the thought. >> there has been some. and i'm allowed to give the quote. she said that these injuries are consistent with the severe beating. that's the quote. when you understand what we have seen and what the charges are,
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those are hax mum charges. murder requires a little more something. and i agree. the states attorney looked at the charges and did whatever they could. there's consistency. >> thank you. on the video, there's audio. so you hear audio. that's very compelling because it kind of tells the intent. i'm worried what you can do. we go forward together.
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all of the injustices up and try to speak to all of those. we invite those families to stand with ms. wells and mr. wells because none of these tragedies are anymore important than any of the others. all of our children matter. and we have to continue to say that. each and every one of our children have a right to live on this earth to breathe in another breath. so we have to continue to do that. i would hope that the city leadership, if the department of justice deems it appropriate to have a pattern and prctice investigation of the memphis police department that they will
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welcome t ask they won't try to fight or object to it. hopefully that the city council members will say that we want to have an internal audit of ourself. let's just don't look outward and try to get resentful and start saying there's a problem. the best way to solve police code is be transparent. accept accountability and build trust. you can deal with this culture. they may attack us and try to say they continue to attack
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police. we have often said we're not antipolice. we're antibad police who killed tyre. who killed george floyd, who killed breonna taylor, all these people who jalen. we are against those officers who skirt the rules to justify these unjustifiable killings of our children. that's who we're against. if you want to help us, if you want to take this argument away from us, then help us fix the police culture where we can go
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another month, two months, three months, four months, five months without the media rushing to the next city to report on the latest hashtag that becomes part of american society. we don't have to explain them to you. that's how bad it is when we say michael brown. when we say tamir rice. what we say eric gardner, stephon clark, laquan mcdonald, daunte wright, i mean, is that not a systemic problem with the culture when you have these many unarmed black people dying?
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we have goods coming at the police because we look at the data. these are great lawyers. we look at when the police helped to use force with white citizens. it's normally where a citizen has a deadly weapon. i mean, how many times do we have to hear another black man was shot in the back while he was running away from the police and the. that doesn't happen often with white citizens. that's why we're saying it's a culture matter within the police
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department. and unless we are willing to be honest and say there's an issue, these black people aren't crazy. they are using excessive force against us. but they don't want to say that. they want to attack us and say they are race baiters. just because we had the audacity to take a stand for our children. i mean, it's like malcolm x said that they call you racist for racism. so we have an opportunity here to really speak to this institutionalized police culture that show that it's not just about our black officers or hispanic officers. it's about police officers
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having this biassed belief that you can do a away with certain things to black citizens and brown citizens in america. that you cannot get away with them. >> you have been listening to the civil rights attorney ben crump there alongside the family of tyre nichols. this news conference taking place in memphis today as we hear from the family members, attorneys, community leaders, as they speak about the situation there. still developing today. tyre nichols' mother speaking about feeling knowing her son was calling her name and she could not be there to help him as well. we heard from ben crump crediting the authorities in memphis for, in his words, creating a blueprint for how to act swiftly for justice. all five police officers involved in that episode were very soon after it took place fired. we do want to catch you up on where things stand as we have been listening.
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just a few hours from now, memphis police are scheduled to release video of that awful beet bating of tyre nichols, the man hospitalized this critical condition. he died three days after being viciously beaten in a traffic stop by those memphis officer ps. his official cause of death has yet been released. all five officers, as we said, have been charged with second-degree murder, two counts of official misconduct, two counts of aggravated kidnapping, one count of official oppression and one count of aggravated assault. attorneys for two of the officers say their clients plan to plead not guilty. the nichols family was offered a private viewing of the video on monday. their attorney described it as, quote, unadulterated, unabashed nonstop beating for three minutes. now the community of memphis is preparing for what it will see and what the world will see when
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the video is released to the public today. >> we are going to have a visceral reaction to this video. it is going to highlight and bring up something that's already there. trauma that's already there, pain that's already there, anticipated ways that we are all black mamas, all black sons. >> antonia hylton is on the ground in memphis for us. also with us is former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst charles coleman. isaiah mckinnon, the former chief of the detroit police department. stay with us for a moment. this was a really powerful series of statements, including those by tyre nichols own mom who demonstrated remarkable grace saying despite the fact, this was her message to the officers, they have disgraced themselves and their families that she would pray for them. but as you have been noting, this is a remarkably tense time there in memphis.
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it's been this way for the last several weeks since this took place on january 7. what are people telling you about what they anticipate and what we should anticipate after the video's release tonight? >> reporter: peter, i think the resident who you heard from a moment ago represents so matchup of the conversations i have had here. people are incredibly, deeply sad. this taps into a deep trauma in the black community here in memphis. i think part of the trau a ma and the conversations i have had with folks is that they are preparing themselves to watch an incredibly violent and horrific video in which they are thot just going to see themselves or their sons or nephews or dads reflected this the image of tyre nichols, but also in the perpetrators, the police who beat him to that point.
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they are grateful for this investigation and the seriousness of the charges. they want to know more about possible reform. they have questions. serious questions about how does a traffic violation, a driving infraction lead to violence like this. so i think as you see people likely coming out to support the family tonight, potentially to protest downtown close to where i am now, people are going to be asking those questions and they are going to have them for the authorities, and all the way up to the federal government that's doing a civil rights investigation. they are going to be asking them to get back to them on these issues. to them, violence of this level, what we're expecting to see tonight, must represent
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something more than just a fluke incident that happened to tyre nichols. i know people who have been listening to this emotional presser, but i think we should play again some of what his own mother stated in her own words. take a listen. >> for a horror mother to know that their child was calling them in their need and i wasn't there for him, do you know how i feel right now? because i wasn't there for my son. i was telling someone that i had this really bad pain in my stomach earlier, not knowing what had happened. but once i found out what happened, that was my son's pain that i was feeling. and i didn't even know. >> reporter: i also had a really interesting conversation just moments ago with the shelby county mayor. and we talked about how a lot of people, including the president of the united states, have been
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calling for peace. there are clearly some nerves, some anxiety around the potential for riots or protests tonight. and what the mayor said to me is that he had faith in the people of this city, of this county. he trusted them and that he acknowledged their grief. to some extent, can't control how people are going to process. it's a hurt that's not just represented this the minutes, the hour that we're going to see of this footage, but really in decades of history in a city as historic as memphis is, ask that he has complete trust in people. that they are going to have these conversations and use the first amendment rights and protest in a respectful way. i thought that that was interesting because his remarks were some of a different tone than other people we heard from who are worried about all this. i found it interesting he wanted to express his respect for the grief of the family, for the graef of everybody who loved or knew tyre nichols.
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an expectation that people were going to handle themselves the way that has made him so proud to be a part of this city in the first place. that was an important conversation ask point that i wanted to share with people. >> thank you for sharing your experiences there on the ground. we hope an evening of peaceful protest. charles, to hear the family attorney there, ben crump, who has now seen this footsage. he compares it to the rodney king video 37 the rodney king beating lasted 1 minute and 19 seconds. this beating lasts much longer that that. your reaction in anticipation of a video that's going to be provided publicly, an hour's worth of video of different angles and body cams and the like that america is going to see for the first time this evening. >> my reaction is that we're dealing with a plethora of misplaced concern. what i mean by that is there's been an overwhelming sense of the need for calm, the need for
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peace, the need for protest that does not violence. while that's understandable, what they went about the entire conversation is that the attention to detail that's necessary around policing in america only comes after these sorts of tragedies have taken place. if we had just a fraction of the same vigor and intention and concern about community, about policing a community and about truly addressing police violence both at the community, administrative and the policy level, we would not be here and perhaps tyre nichols would be alive today. so it's only after a tragedy that like has occurred that we have these calls for peace. that we have these calls for protest that is nonviolent. when you're not understanding that the community in memphis is responding to more than just tyre nichols. they are responding to a lot more than just this one video. they are responding to a history
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of violence against black people in community by law enforcement. until we understand that and get that message clear, we are untrntly going to continue to have these things happen. >> charlts, we appreciate those comments as we witness this administration try to pass the george floyd justice and policing act, but it met enough resistance that it didn't happen. and i'll put it in place what the memphis police chief said about this case and her officers to my colleague tom llamas. >> completely next level. completely outside of humanity. i'm not even going to say training. mean humanity. the mind set and the reason why i think there is an analogy to rodney king here is that there was this sort of element of
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group think in this instance. no one stepped outside to say, stop, or we can him handcuffed a different kind of way. it was as if this was sort of one mind set. >> as we heard from ben crump a short time ago, we are not anti-police. we are anti-bad police. how do we stop this stunning and cruel cycle of police violence, particularly against black men? >> peter, this is something that has been going on for a long time. let me go back to history. when i was 14 years old, i was a little boy in detroit. i was severely beaten up by four detroit police officers. my assumption was this was something that was happening to me. so i said a decision to join the police department and try to
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make a difference as a black man who would change things on the police department. the more i worked to try to do that and the more i spoke with other men of color, whether they are black or hispanic, they all had similar stories. then there were white people who said the same thing. so when someone said this was a police culture in police departments, police culture in america, when we continue to see these things over and over and over again, i was at the white house a number of years ago when i was police chief in detroit. and i brought up the fact that this is what happened to me. and we as police chief, we as executives on police departments, these are things that we must do to make a difference. no one said anything. the more we see these things happen over and over and over again and to one does anything. when you speak out against this,
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they are going to say that you are a snitch or doing something against law enforcement. but the law enforcement code of ethics says as a law enforcement officer, my fundamental duty is to serve the community, to save lives around me, protect the weak, and respect the constitutional rights of all to liberty and equality and justice. it we start thinking that way, we can eliminate the bad act torts who continue to do this over and over and over again. since 1957. >> chief mckinnon, we appreciate all of you. we're following another major headline we want to tell you about. this one broke while watching that news conference with tyre nichols. it's disturbing video that shows
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the moment that paul pelosi was attacked with a hammer in his home in san francisco. we want to warn you that the footage we're going to show you is quite graphic. it maybe difficult to watch. we're going to play it once for you this hour but not again this hour. it starts with police arriving at pelosi's home in san francisco on october 28th of last year. here it is. >> definitely don't want all of you here. >> how you doing? >> what's going on?
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moments as officers entered the pelosi family home in october of last year. along with the body cam video, a judge released footage from surveillance cameras in the area. the interview with police, he's the suspect, the man who is clearly attacking paul pelosi as well as the 911 call that pelosi himself made after he broke in. there was a lot to get to. i want to bring in josh letterman and ali vitali, who is joining us from capitol hill. we have just heard from nancy pelosi. and charles coleman is with us. josh, i know we just got these materials within the last hour. it was after media outlets asked a judge in san francisco that the video be made public and the order was made it would happen. we just saw this within the last hour or so. what more can you tell us about what has been released today? >> reporter: this is giving us the clearest insight to date
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into the dramatic sequence of events a that led up to that moment captured in the body cam footage. he strikes pelosi with that hammer. it starts with the surveillance video from u.s. capitol police cameras at the pelosi residence that has also been released today. you can see it right there on the screen in this video, it's about six or so minutes you see the suspect show up at the residence. he looks through the glass door. he then leaves briefly and comes back with a bag, takes two bags and a hammer out of one of them and later in the video, you can see him breaking into the home, breaking that glass. it appears using force to enter the home. that is when he then woke up paul pelosi, who was sleeping in his bedroom. we're also hearing some of that 911 tape in which it's very clear that paul pelosi is making this 911 call while the intruder, who is now in his home
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s right there in front of him and can hear everything he's talking about with the police. he's trying to walk this really fine line of trying not to an tag news or force this intruder to do anything violent, but at the same time, try to signal to the 911 dispatcher that something is really wrong here and they need to send help. he says things this goi says everything is fine, but i have a problem. he's telling me to hang up the phone. and police seemed to pick up on the fact there maybe something going on there, which is why they then send those officers to the home that we see in that body cam footage. thousand we're also, a as you mentioned, getting that interview that the suspect gave to investigators shortly after this incident in which he goes through a whole bunch of conspiracy theories about nancy pelosi that he says led him to do what he came there to do. but he says that eventually he decided to strike paul pelosi in
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that moment because he was going to get to nancy pelosi one way or another and he was going to go through paul pelosi, if he had to. so clearly, a disturbing chain of events that we are seeing in these pieces of evidence released today, despite concerns both from the defense and the prosecutors, but news organizations, including us here at nbc news, made the case that since a lot of this had been played in an open court hearing that the public is should be able to see it too. now everyone can see exactly what happened there. >> josh, thank you so much. the hope is that that video, where you clearly see the suspect using a hammer to break his way into the pelosi home, will destroy and erase the conspiracy theories that some suggested he was invited to the home or thinking of that kind. we want the to play for you the audio right now. this is the 911 call audio made by paul pelosi, during these only imagine tense and stressful
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moments was able to negotiate with the suspect and go to the restroom there where he got his phone and made the call. take a listen. >> is the capitol police around? >> no. >> they usually are here at the house protecting my wife. >> the san francisco police. >> i understand. >> he says everything is good. i have a problem, but he thinks everything is good. >> call us back if you change your mind. >> no, this gentleman just came into the house. he wants to wait here for my wife to come home. >> do you know who the person is? >> no, i don't know who he is.
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he told me not to do anything. >> so that is the conversation between paul pelosi, the 82-year-old husband of nancy pelosi, then the speaker of the house effectively speaking in code trying to tell the dispatcher he has a problem without revealing the urgency of this moment. to you, charles, the dispatcher was able to recognize that something was wrong and get officers out there as soon as they could. >> right, i think that it is the cred to paul lowest for keeping his cool, but ultimately that may have been the thing that kept him alive in this situation. and the dispatcher was able to read between the lines and understand there was something else. you hear the ask on the tape, do you know him and i think that is one of the moments where, in addition to of course paul pelosi asking about capitol police, mentioning his wife, when those things didn't seem to click for the dispatcher, when the dispatcher asked whether he was known to the actual caller,
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and paul pelosi indicated that he was not, i think that was likely the thing that made dispatch decide, listen, we need to send someone out about whatever is going on at that residence. >> it's dramatic video that we're seeing here and i'm happy to say that only a few days ago, just last week when the golden state warriors were at the white house, i saw paul pelosi in person, he was there alongside nancy pelosi, he was wearing a hat but he did appear to be in good condition, in good spirits and ali, i know you have had a chance, we are hearing from nancy pelosi for the first time since the release, is she addressing it, and what is she saying? >> not addressing it yet, peter and it is unclear whether or not she has actually watched this video herself. yesterday, when reporters asked her about it, when it became clear that the video would be released today, she said that it would be very difficult to watch what she called an assault on her husband's life. and so it is unclear if she's seen it at this point. but here is what she told us outside her office. >> can you give us reaction to
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the video being released to the public today? >> i'm not going to say anything yet but i may shortly. >> you see the former speaker there, peter, looking very somber, talking about this issue, saying that she has nothing to say right now, but we could hear from her later. of course, we'll continue to allow her both the space to digest this video, which we've now seen and is very distressing, but also the space to respond if she chooses to, in this moment, where it's the video that puts to rest many of the conspiracy theories that popped up in the aftermath of this attack. >> just a lot for us all to digest today. ali vitali, charles coleman, josh lederman as well, thank you. a key sentencing hearing is under way for two men who pleaded guilty to assaulting officer brian sicknick on january 6th 20i 21. why a large group of u.s. capitol police officers marched there in support of their fallen
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(soft music) within the last hour, another powerful scene, as a large group of u.s. capitol police officers entered a dc courthouse in support of a fallen colleague. brian sicknick who died in the aftermath of the january 6th attack on the capitol. today prosecutors inside that courthouse want julian khater, the man who pleaded guilty spraying sicknick with mace to be sentenced to seven and a half years in prison. in a compelling impact statement, sicknick's own mother gladys addressed the suspect saying, foot soldiers, you call yourself, soldiers don't erect gallows and call for the vice president to be hanged. soldiers don't attack the seat of their own government brandishing pipes and clubs and bats. they don't plant pipe bombs. nbc's julia jester is covering
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this story for us. for so long, we've heard the powerful experiences of so many of these officers, but sadly, brian sicknick is not here to tell his own. >> yes, and peter, the sentencing hearing for the defendants is officially under way. according to my colleague inside the courtroom, it is packed with u.s. capitol police officers, including harry dunn, showing their support, of their fallen colleague, and his family. and we're expected to hear six victim impact statements from his family, all striking a similar tone to the passage you just read from his mother, who spoke before the judge just moments ago. she directly asked khater, quote, how does it feel to be headed to jail because of a bold-faced lie? his mother asked for the maximum sentence who is facing one of the longest possible sentences of any january 6th defendant, for two counts of assaulting law enforcement officers. now, it's important to note that neither defendant is being charged with causing sicknick's
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death. the officer's family members say khater's actions, assaulting him with chemical spray, played a direct role. his brother craig said, quote, i wish i were not in the same room as you, as you make me physically sick. your actions that day led to the death of my kid brother who is by any measure more of a man than you will ever hope to be. so truly a heart-breaking day in the courtroom for officer sicknick's family, who hopes to receive justice and hopefully some peace. peter? >> thank so much. again, we will keep you posted when we learn more about the sentence for the man convicted of attacking brian sicknick on january 6th. that's going to do it for this hour of news. we appreciate you joining us. "katy tur reports" is here next. s "katy tur reports" is here next.
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