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we are coming on the air following several big developing stories. a city on edge. new reaction to a disturbing video. and an interesting visitor on the hill. let's talk first about memphis. bracing for protests. the release of body cam footage of tyre nichols hours away. we heard the nichols family calling for peaceful demonstrations, with the five police officers charged with his death out on bond. our team is on the grounds standing by. also this hour, the first reaction from former house speaker nancy pelosi, you saw it live here, since the release of the police video showing the attack on her husband paul. you will see more of that and the former speaker's news statements in a moment. and back here in washington, what is up with elon musk on capitol hill today? what is he up to? why is he meeting with top republicans? we will have more on that.
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i want to bring in antonia hylton live for us in memphis, our senior legal correspondent laura jarrett is us with, along with nbc law enforcement analyst and retired seattle police chief carmen best and former national bar association president. antonia, we will start you with, four hours away from the release of the video, the ty's police chief is telling one of our colleagues tom llamas that this is very intentional, it is happening on purpose, so people can get home, kids can be safe, and let me play more of that conversation. >> there were times when he was laying, there were times when he was sat up, there were times when he was mumbling and saying words, and, but it was obvious that he was not in control of his physical self. >> and there was no sense of urgency to get this man help. >> in my mind, there was not. there was not. >> memphis schools have canceled after school activities today. community college classes are all virtual. tell us more about what we're
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learning here. >> reporter: there's a heaviness in the air here in memphis as people brace for something that they expect to not just be incredibly violent and horrible as they've been warned, but you know, to really be sort of the next level of shock and to send sort of waves to this community and throughout the rest of the country as people process what we're going to see come up 6:00 p.m. local, 7:00 p.m. tonight. you know, the pace of the investigation here is something that people are grateful for. they were grateful to see the officers immediately fired. grateful they're now in custody. that they are facing numerous charges, including second-degree murder charges, which was so important to every single resident that i spoke to here, they wanted to see that level of murder charge go against these officers. but at the same time, this pace is really unusual, particularly for majority black communities. they're almost freaked out by it. they're not accustomed to
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feeling like their asks are quickly answered, that they're given transparency from city or county officials, and so they're worried that this video is even more horrible than they can possibly imagine, because of how fast all of this has moved. i got to sit down with the shelby county mayor, who is a black man, who himself is steeling himself to have to watch this tonight and himself has had encounters with police, that all of this has forced him to reflect on. take a listen to some of our conversations. >> we've got to go to this next piece of how do we make sure there is not the next video, the next group, the next tyre nichols and the next family of tyre nichols that has to go through this kind of tragedy. >> there's a lot of talk right now about how people are going to respond tonight.
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i've heard fears that there is going to be riots or protests, but you know, the mayor told me that he really has faith in people here, that he respects the grief that they're going through right now, and thinks that tonight we will see people process that grief publicly but in a way that is appropriate, given what they are experiencing, and what they're about to see. i also think we're very likely going to hear people talk much more about this unit, have a lot more questions about the nature, the culture of policing, particularly on that scorpion unit. he will want to know more about how the traffic stop, a traffic violation, which right now, we don't even have any evidence of what that might have looked like or what tyre nichols really did that precipitated all of this, but even if he committed a traffic violation, what i keep hearing is people don't understand how that becomes grounds for an execution. what kind of team operates that way? how is that behavior that a group could possibly partake in while on the job together, and so there's going to be of course a lot of questions, in the coming days, about this unit
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that they're going to want, these officials that have now been transparency, they have come out and spoken to me and talking to the community, there's going to be an expectation that that kind of transparency now continues, hallie. >> let me pick up on that, antonia, chief best, i'll go to you, because tyre nichols' mother was talking about this idea of police reform on this topic. let me play some of that. >> no mother, no mother should go through what i'm going through right now. no mother. to lose their child to the violent way that i lost my child. >> there will be a review, according to the police chief of that so-called scorpion unit here, as well as other ubes in the memphis -- units in the memphis police department here. if you were running that review, chief, what would it look like? what questions would you be asking? what would you want to know? >> well, there's going to be a whole host of things that the department is looking at. you know, i want to start by saying that i think chief davis did the right thing, she saw the
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obvious law violations and she terminated the appointment of the officers, and then moved the case along so that charges could be filed, it was the right thing to do. i know the attorney, ben crump, said that this should be a blueprint for things going forward. but i would say, any time it is so obvious and so egregious, as we all understand this video will be, that though action should be swift, absolutely swift, and accountability should be moved forward very quickly. and hopefully, moving forward, that will happen. when it comes to reforms, a lot of reforms are out there, these units, these stand alone units that are there to be in some times in plain colleagues and to help alie any additional crime, there has to be scrutiny. what's the unit. how many complaints. what is the use of force. what is the training that we're doing. what is the supervision. how much supervision. what kind of review of any incidents that are occurring. because personally, i feel like
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there's a place for some plain clothes enforcement at times, but it has to be heavily monitored, and the fact of the matter is, you can have all of the policies in the world in place, but you have to address the cultural issues, because we all know the culture eats policy for breakfast. so we have to address those as leaders in our profession. >> let me go to, this we have heard from the defense attorneys retained by the officers who were detained and held on second-degree murder among other charges and the officers say that they did not intend for tyre nichols to i don't and called his death shocking to them and is that a legally sound argument as it relates to the charges these officers face? >> the linchpin here, if you think about intent in the way that you and i and folks at home think about it, whether they set out that day to actually kill him, that's not the legal standard. the legal standard is something lower than that, from the second-degree murder, all they have to show is that the
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officers were aware that their conduct was reasonably certain to kill him, that they should have basically known better, is the idea there, and so they don't have to have a lot of planning, or premeditation in the way you might see in a first-degree murder case. that is not the case. it will be important, though, for this jury, to look at all of the attendant circumstances, what led up to the stop, how long did the officers wait on the scene before they got him help and rend ared him aid, all of those are going to go into sort of the, all of the different circumstances that will lead the jury to decide to whether or not acquit or convict in this case but i think it is important to see the case in the large ever context of what we know about police killings which is these convictions are not easy, these are not slam dunk cases. even when you do have a video, and the killing is on camera, you heard ben crump, the attorney for the family say, tick through all of the haunting names, eric gardner, philando ka
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steel, tamir rice, they were caught on video and no convictions in those cases. i think it is important to realize, that even if the video is appalling and shocks the conscious, it doesn't necessarily mean there will be a legal conviction. >> there are also, in addition to the local d.a. investigation, this investigation here happening, the investigates at the state and federal levels, too, can we read anything into what the state, what the feds might come away with, based on what we know at the local level here? >> first of all, my heart goes out to the family of mr. nichols, but we certainly can read into the fact that there are state and federal investigations. and mistake, it's without a question, there should be those types of investigations in place, and this, this particular murder was so heinous, so over-reaching, so awful, and so, such a disaster, we will see in the videos that there could only be further investigations on the federal level and the state level. so i think we need to read a lot
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into it. we have to applaud the police chief for being decisive for taking action, for speeding the process along, and by the way, there is a type of accountability that should happen when we have these types of excessive use of force cases, which happen all too often. we need to have action, and there needs to be statewide, federal, and local investigations handled simultaneously. that's the only way to get real accountability. and we need the passage of the george floyd justice in policing act, or some type of act that has teeth that will minimize the likelihood of this happening over and over and over again. we're weary. the communities in memphis, this happened around dr. king's birthday, to add insult to injury. so i think these investigations will reap certain benefits and the family will be able to see a modicum of closure.
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>> and you talked about the need to have things move promptly and swiftly and that is something that we have heard echoed by ben crump, who is the attorney representing the tyre nichols family. let me play a little bit about that. >> we want to proclaim that this is the blueprint going forward for any time, any officer, whether they be black, or white, will be held accountable. no longer can you tell us we got to wait six months to a year, and to know we have a video. >> and to the point that mr. crump is making here, things moved fast, right? the officers were fired almost right away. these charges came probably more quickly than people expected it. but that is also, i imagine, and you've alluded to the idea that people in memphis are really bracing for, this it has added to the idea that whatever is in this video must be so horrific and so shocking, that this is the speed by which they had to move here. i wonder what you're hearing from community members on that.
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>> yes, hallie, that is exactly the sort of difficulty of this conversation on the ground right now, because there is this combination of gratefulness, appreciation, particularly people shout out the chief of police davis, but then there's also the fear of what they're going to see, and then there is also this sense from residents that i've spoken to, from, if it could happen so quickly this time, what does it say about all of the other times that we have begged for answers, we've waited for months, we've begged for meetings, with officials, and now they're out front, they're talking to reporters, like me, and tom, they're on the ground, they're answering emails, they are very available, the family has been able to have conversations, they got to watch the video ahead of everyone else. you know, it's a new standard, as benjamin crump said, but once you set that new standard, it means everyone else needs to
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live up to that because you have proved that this work can be done at that point. so i think in a sense, not just the police departments here in the memphis area, but also you know, departments around the country are going to have to answer questions about why these have taken so long in the past. and communities are going to want to see this be the new standard that is applied going forward. and i think you know, there is also just all of the hurt here, i think from the black community, because they have to watch this tonight, and not just see themselves in the eyes of the victim, but also of the officers who do this beating, and so there's this kind of difficult conversation happening within the community about how hard that's going to be, and what that means, and how you zero in on the culture of policing, the reforms that need to happen in policing, so that something like this never happens again, whether it is in memphis or elsewhere, and their hope is that the kind of transparency that we've been able to see is part of what is going to usher in, like an honest conversation, although of
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course, you know, black communities have held their breath, they have waited for these things before, and they have not ended up seeing the results that they wanted. but i think that's really what people are holding out for now, is this new set of expectations, and demands they're going to have going forward. >> antonia hilton, laura jarrett, khalif best, thanks to all of you for your reporting and analysis on. this much more to get to here on msnbc reports, including why elon musk was back on the hill today meeting with some high profile lawmakers on the gop side. plus, former speaker nancy pelosi just in the last couple of minutes, you saw it here live, on msnbc, reactioning to that disturbing footage of of her husband's attack. the fda looking to stop gay and bisexual men from donating blood. when we get back in 60 seconds. blood. when we t geback in 60 seconds
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former house speaker nancy pelosi just in the last few minutes here responding to that newly-released evidence related to the attack on her husband paul. watch. >> i have not heard of the 911 call. i have not heard the confession. i have not seen the break-in. and i have absolutely no intention of seeing the deadly assault on my husband's life. i won't be making any more statements about this case. >> the footage, released today, this is part of it, shows officers arriving on the scene, and also shows the moment that the suspect actually assaulted paul pelosi with a hammer. we're going to play it once, we have to warn you that some of what you're about to see is disturbing. >> hi, how are you doing? >> how are you? >> what's going on, man? >> everything's good. >> hi. >> drop the hammer. >> nope.
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>> hey, hey, hey. >> what's going on? >> whoa. >> it is extremely tough to watch. nbc news correspondent josh lederman is joining us now. this is one piece of evidence that is being released. there are several other pieces as well. >> reporter: that's right, hallie, there is really filling in the missing pieces for us in the bizarre and dramatic sequence of events that led up to that moment, when david depape is accused of striking paul pelosi with the hammer. in addition to that body cam footage, we are also getting audio of the 911 call that paul pelosi made, just before the police arrived, and you can really get a sense of how intense it must have been for paul pelosi, as he's on the phone with 911, the intruder, david depape, is right there, overhearing his conversation, so he is trying to tip off the operator, about just how dire the situation is, that he needs help, without sending the
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intruder into a rage, or doing anything that might lead him to attack paul pelosi. and at one point during the call, paul blessy tells the operator -- paul pelosi tells the operator, who needs help, this man is in his house, and he refers to him over and over as a gentleman and he says everything is fine, but i've got a problem and then the 911 dispatcher says well, maybe you should give us a call back if you need any help, take a listen to what paul pelosi says right after that. >> no, no, no, this gentleman just came into the house, and he wants to wait here for my wife to come home. and so -- anyway -- >> do you know who this person is? >> no, i don't know who he is. he's telling me not to do anything. he's telling me not to do anything. >> and hallie, just in the last few minutes, we are getting a statement in from the public defender who is representing david depape, in this case,
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calling it a terrible mistake, to release this video, publicly, and the attorney saying it is disrespectful to mr. pelosi and serves no purpose except to feed the public desire for spectacle and violence and the attorney says it is inflammatory and could raise unfounded theories about the case, and they are raising the question of whether david depape is still going to be able to receive a fair trial given the cat is out of the bag and everyone has been able to see the evidence and the body cam footage, and the 911 call cape and surveillance footage of david depape apparently breaking into the home as well as an interview that police did with him just after the incident, hallie. >> josh lederman, live for us in california. thank you very much. after years of pressure from medical groups, from lbgtq + groups, the f fda is out with a new proposal to make it easy for men who have sex with men to give blood, and under current rules, it restricts donations in
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the past three months, and now the agency wants anybody to donate blood regardless of gender and sexual orientation as long as they don't have certain relationships in the last three months. and joining us now from the white house, is the director of the cdc division, and thank you for being with us this afternoon. it is a significant and news worthy change that is being proposed here by the fda. is it because of the new medical landscape here, what some say is a blood shortage? is it because of evolving social norms, or is it a little bit of both? >> the answer is it's really about advocacy and science that came together, to really get to a place where blood donation policy can be dictated by science as opposed to antiquated strategies that were discriminatory. so the answer in short is, it is a little bit of both. >> can you help us understand
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why it seems, and help us understand this, why do gay men have to be abc nent for three months or in a monogamous situation to donate blood but not for heterosexual people? >> that is the crux of the problem. looking at this historically, early on during the beginning, the dawn of hiv aids in the united states, there was concern about the safety of the blood supply. and really technology hadn't come to the point where blood was screened in a way that would really ensure safety. so as we've moved forward, with more technology, and also, great ability to forecast how we can predict risk based on behavior rather than identity, we are here today with proposed guidance that really changes the game in terms of who can donate blood. >> as part of this policy, the fda days anybody who is on medication that prevents or treats hiv, they're not eligible to give blood. and you know what people on prep have to do and is it better to
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not give blood and be on prep or not be on prep and be eligible. >> i think it is best for their health and that is independent of the altruistic moment of donating blood. people who need to be on prep or want to be on prep should maintain, that rather than change that plan, based on the desire to donate blood. i'll start with that. i think ultimately, the signal from the fda here is that they're really looking at the science an engaging with advocates in the community in a way that tells us that as the science changes, this is not a policy that is static. there is interest in making sure that it is modernized and reflects the cutting edge science we have. >> you talk about the evolution, and you talk about this being sort of a living, breathing decision-making process here, i wonder what you would say to critics who might argue that this is actually discriminatory against gay men, frankly, because of some of those requirements that are in place? >> so i'll start by saying it is a really important milestone that this is moving forward. it's really syncing with plane
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other countries that have moved in the same direction, specifically to remove the element of what is discriminatory. so asking the question, are you a gay man, and then saying you can't donate blood or you have special discriminatory factors why you can't. that is potentially taken away with this draft guidance. i think it is really important that people know that open comment is open for 60 days, and i think there is a track record here of the fda listening to what that public comment looks like. but ultimately, there is a move that is so in sync with so many other nations, specifically to address the issue of, this is not about who you are, it's about what you have done in the last three months, and if that is associated potentially with some risks for hiv infections. so it is a step in the direction to really address the discrimination, and i think it is really in line with what is happening internationally. >> you call it a step forward. do you think the fda could do even more to ease these regulations, and is that something that needs support? >> i think it is really important that there is
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commitment to follow the science. so i think as the science dictates, i think that the fda, i can't speak for them directly, are keen on making sure that they connect with the community, and connect with the science, so the cutting edge is where we are in terms of blood donation policy. i'll just echo again, this is in line with the u.k., with canada, and with other countries, that have gone through this process, of looking at what is the best strategy to address the discrimination, that needs to end, while also maintaining a safe blood supply. so again, i think that always remembering that it is always an interaction between advocates, the community, and science, and in terms of how these policies look, i think that as the science changes, as we learn more, the fda has been a willing participant in those discussions. >> doctor, thank you very much. it's good to see you back on the show. still ahead, the national archives wants every former president and former vp to take a deep dive into their closets, their offices, their basements, et cetera, what they're doing to get ahead of any new discoveries
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apparatus in a secret ballot. she was ain able to fend off a challenge from harmeet dhillon with a last-minute smooi-endorsement from florida governor ron desantis and potential presidential candidate. mike lindell was going for the job and by our count got four votes. we have more from vaughn hillyard and john allen is here with us as well. a handy victory for ronna mcdaniel, 111 out of the 167 casting ballots. talk to us about how that plays into the future of the party in the next cycle. >> right. that's going to be the fourth term and one of ronna mcdaniel's greatest pitches is they were able to raise and spend nearly $400 million in the last two years alone, of course, a great deal of the criticism was the fact that all it got them was a narrow majority in the u.s. house of representatives here. but what she was able to do is effectively push back against
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what was the insurgency around harmeet dhillon, and we're talking about the candidates who were involved in this race, each of them allies of donald trump. but when you're talking about harmeet dhillon, the challenger, who was able to cobble together about one-third of the vote, this is where some of the grass roots here, in this republican party, that is even to the right, you could say, of where maga is at, where they go from here, you know, there is a radio personality who is standing next to me, or right before, a conservative radio personality right before the announcement was made, and said if ronna wins, fundraising is going to dry up. and there is a great deal of frustration in the fact that $400 million was not able to pick up a greater margin of victory. but what you heard from the likes of charlie kirk who is a headliner, kari lake, here in california as a surrogate for harmeet dhillon is, not the fact that the messaging was the issue, but it was a matter of how the resources were spent here. and so the question here is, does the republican party under ron that mcdaniel over the next
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year or two years, are they able to stick together here? or is there going to be some of these outside factions that look to galvanize wings of the republican party, and try to boost them? that is why ron desantis yesterday, separating himself, by essentially endorsing harmeet dhillon, because it is notable, he is trying to effectively, potentially appeal to a certain wing of the republican party, which has shown a willingness to go out in primaries, which is why you saw over the course of 2022, in those key primaries around the country, the further to the right candidates pull off general election, and you know, all that plays out coming into the november election but in the primaries that is where the republican base is so key, and now the question is, do they stick and do they have ronna mcdaniels and rnc back going forward. >> vaughn, thank you. jon, i want to hear from you on this idea. and the reporting here, even after the vote is over here, it is not over. it will take some time to do some rebuilding.
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>> yes, i think the rebuilding phase is absolutely being undertaken, and we've seen that the rnc is commissioned under mcdaniel, including some of her critics on that commission, to do the audit, i mean this is their moment to try to figure it out again. and they've decided overwhelming to keep the same leader in ronna mcdaniel. if you look at this vote, you know, given what happened in the midterm elections, you have to say it is an overwhelming endorsement of her. you would think that there would be a greater upheaval, a greater desire to get rid of her. but what she's been very good at doing is keeping good relationships up with the members, the 168 members of the rnc, and those are the people who vote, and they vote in secret ballot, so i think, you know, she satisfied most of them, harmeet dhillon came in as really the only major alternative to her, and got less than half of the votes that ron
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that mcdaniel did, even with, even with the endorsement, or semi-endorsement of ron desantis. and of course, mike lindell got enough votes that i could count them on one hand, or with each of my limbs. >> jon allen, thank you. vaughn hillyard, appreciate it as well. thank you both. next up with, we've got more developing news, what former president mike pence is saying in the last couple of minutes about the classified documents found in his home. his first on camera reaction here, you will see it live as soon as this break is over. give us a second. on as this brer give us a second the pepperoni on panera's new toasted baguette. is sliced a little thicker. to hold more flavor. so when fresh mozzarella melts over it... that detail... will be big. try the new toasted baguettes from panera.
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we're just getting in new details from capitol hill about elon musk's meetings with republicans again today, met with the chairs of the powerful oversight and house judiciary committees. congressman comer and jim jordan and pushing with tech companies what some see as anti-conservative bias, and a day after he met separately with kevin mccarthy and hakeem jeffries. right before we came on the air, our team got new comments from the speaker about why musk was even there in the first place. ali vitali has been all over this story on capitol hill. what is up? what's musk up to? what is the end game? >> that was our question yesterday when we first saw elon musk was here, and again this morning when our sources started tellings that you he was back on capitol hill, continuing to have these meetings. and the people he's meeting with
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are key voices within the republican conference, of course, he was in speaker kevin mccarthy's office, that was true yesterday, certainly true this morning and he brought together, the head of the oversight and judiciary, as you mentioned, and the head of the energy and commerce committee, cathy mcmorris rogers and steve scalise. and here is what kevin mccarthy said the points of the meeting was, listen. >> we talked about creating, making sure twitter is fair on all sides, he wants to have a level playing field for everyone to have a voice and really defending the first amendment and we had a really good discussion. >> musk is someone who has since taken control of twitter and has been very good to conservatives, speaking positively about republicans in some of his tweets and now coming here to meet with top republicans. we should also note though, hallie, that yesterday, hakeem jeffries, the top democrat, was
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in the mccarthy's office, mccarthy's birthday we're told and wishing him a happy birthday but while jeffries was in there, plusk came in and mccarthy introduced them and by proxy he met with hakeem jeffries and it earned jeffries a follow from musk on twitter, so one of the outgrowths of the meeting there in a digital space. we will see as congress goes on, what is happening on twitter is front of mind for democrats and republicans alike and we will see as the push on capitol hill, especially from the senate side, can break up big tech, and we'll see if that manifests at all with twitter but certainly notable that musk was on the hill meeting with republicans. >> thank you. for the first time on camera publicly, we are hearing from former vice president mike pence talking about the classified documents found at his home in indiana. and we have a take and we want to play it back what he said, the whole thing. watch. >> those classified documents should not have been in my personal residence. mistakes were made.
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and i take full responsibility. and i've directed my counsel to work with the national archives, with the department of justice, and with the congress, to fully cooperate in any investigation. >> nbc's kara lee is outside the white house with the latest and this is significant from the former vice president, that he has said is owning it, owning having classified materials in his residence. talk us through that, and how this plays into the bigger picture here. >> to your point, hallie, he is owning it. and that's a different tone than we've heard from certainly former president trump, who said essentially that these are his documents and that he had a right to have them. and then if you look at what president biden has said about classified documents being in his possession, from his time as vice president, he said he was surprised that that happened, and he said that there is no "there" there. but we have not heard that tone that we heard from former vice president mike pence, which is
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an apology, own can it, saying it was a mistake, and that he has directed his staff to get to the bottom of it. now, the president biden's lawyers have said that they were ineventually place -- ineventually placed in boxes that went with limb when he left the vice presidency and that was a mistake and we haven't heard that directly from president biden himself. so that is an interesting note in terms of the former vice president's comments. now in terms of where things are with the national archives, we have this letter that went out to former presidents and vice presidents yesterday, where they're saying hey, look, go through everything you have, and make sure that there is nothing that is classified, or unclassified, hallie, so they're saying, you know, if you have classified documents, obviously they are government property, they need to be returned, but take a second look at some of the things that are in your possession, to make sure that they are not also government records even if they're unclassified. and we're also told, our team has been told that there is expected to be a conference call with members, aides to the former vice presidents, and
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presidents, this afternoon, with the national archives torque kind of walk through what exactly this means and what it might look like, and so far, we haven't heard from all of them, but we have heard from some of them that they intend to walk through this. >> thank you vauch for that. appreciate it. a federal judge in dc today is expected to hand down one of the longest prison sentences related to the january 6th riot so far. julian khater, facing up to seven and a half years in prison for spraying pepper spray to brian sicknick. and our correspondent is joining us with more. julia, talk us through it. >> that courtroom right now is packed with capitol police officers, alongside officer sicknick's family, eagerly awaiting the sentences. the defense is still making its final case before the judge, as we speak. sicknick's story is of course one of the most well-known from the january 6th insurrection.
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and his colleague, officer caroline edwards, was also injured by chemical spray that day. testifying public before the january 6th committee, and today gave her own powerful impact statement in court. she said she still feels survivors guilt, telling the judge, quote, i felt like the absolute worst kind of officer, someone who didn't help their friend, couldn't help their friend, and sicknick's family members told the judge that while khater wasn't charge with causing brian sicknick's death, they hold him responsible and brian's mother told khater in court, you attacked my son like he was an animal. you are the age. powerful statements from his loved ones. and earlier today, the government said that the defendant created a cowardly and pre-meditated assault on police during the riot saying that he didn't get his way, he chose violence, and he chose to assault our democracy. julian khater akked with malice and hatred in his heart that
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day. meanwhile, the case is continuing before the judge and stressing that the mechlgz ruled sicknick died of natural causes and downplaying the impact of the assault and they argued that khater did not intentionally come to dc to attack the capitol or its officers but he lost control of his emotions, in a climate of hysteria, fueled by misinformation about the election, and the defense had asked for time served, which is about two years, and supervised release, with mental health treatment. as you mentioned earlier, the d.o.j. is of course asking for seven and a half years behind bars, so hopefully after the sicknick family and the capitol police can get a bit of closure with this sentence that should be happening at any moment now, hallie. >> julia jester, thank you very much. an israeli software company helping people who survived the holocaust track down their long-lost photos l.a. that means for survivors who thought they would never see their family's faces again. ver see their famils faces again. some people have minor joint pain plus stomach problems. they may not be able to take just anything for pain. that's why doctors recommend tylenol®.
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kelly, a significant moment here. >> reporter: these are important opportunities where a president can connect with a family and certainly for president biden we know that empathy is one of the things that he calls upon in moments like this. he has experienced personal loss, the deaths of close family members, and he reached out today, the white house said, as you indicated, this was a call to the parents of tyre nichols, and where the president was able to express his own condolences, those of the first lady, and noted the courage and strength shown by the nichols family in recent days, and separately from the podium today, during a white house briefing, we heard from the press secretary, and we asked quite a number of questions related to these events about the president's views on this, how he's likely to respond, and the message from the white house has been that the president is joining with the family to call for a peaceful response to the video
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that is scheduled to be released later today and to honor the life of tyre nichols by listening to the family, and at the same time, from a policy perspective, to continue to work on the appropriate reforms for law enforcement while also acknowledging that the vast majority of law enforcement conducts itself in an honorable fashion. so the white house trying to thread this very carefully. at the same time, we have been told that the president and his top advisers have reached out to the appropriate state and local officials to make certain they have the resources they need and that kind of thing, as they monitor this situation, and of course the president is scheduled to leave the white house and go to camp david early this evening, even before the tape becomes public, and we're told he will continue to get briefings and updates as developments continue. but his personal connection that the president chooses to use at times when a family or an
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individual is thrust into the national spotlight because events have really compelled that, the president did that today, and the white house confirming that, and the video tape giving an inside look as well. >> kelly o'donnell on the north lawn with the story that's developing. thank you. to mark international holocaust remembrance day. sending gentleman doug emhoff is. and new technology powered by ai, to help holocaust survivors and their families track down photos they never knew existed. >> reporter: every face has a story. in these photos, three people are identified. to most of the world, these images are a vault. but blanch fixler has the keys,
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remembering what her 10-year-old self is saying at this french children's home and how she wound up there. >> what do you think about when you look at that little girl? >> that little girl went through hell. >> reporter: and she made it through. >> she made it through. with the help of god. only with the help of god. >> reporter: blanch fixler survived the holocaust with memories of terror as the nazis hunted her jewish family along with millions more people. until last year she had no idea these photos even existed. they show blanch soon after the war, a connection made thanks to numbers from names, an organization which says it uses artificial intelligence to identify people. the ai takes photos people upload online and compares them to established digital connections including from the united states holocaust memorial museum, and israel's museum. this found young blanch through a facial recognition program, a
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pair of images appearing to show the same little girl but in these photos, she's nameless. then blanch took a look. >> i recognized myself right away. >> reporter: immediately? >> yeah. >> suddenly a photo with one name listed online has a longer caption, a deeper history. >> and here is rabbi minz, and here is my aunt and my cousin ruth. >> reporter: what was that like to realize he had found you? >> well, it was very emotional, but you know what, i never got over the fact of not having a mother. never, never, until this day. until this day. yeah. >> reporter: can't replace that. >> it was not the same. >> reporter: blanch says her
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mother, brother and sister were all murdered by the nazis, her father fled their native poland and headed east. blanch watched over her, hiding the roughly 6-year-old in a bed, moving her to an orphanage, helping her leave the country. this has unlocked the darkest of times for josh gad and his family too. he has a photo of his great grandmother who was killed in the holocaust, someone whose face he had never seen. >> you've heard of sarah rosenberg, but to see her, what does that do? >> it was elation, sadness, a feeling, an overwhelming feeling of closure. >> reporter: gad says another track down images a clearer version showing his grandmother. >> having this big yellow star on her that you could see with such, again, clarity. that was equally painful. that was equally emotional. >> reporter: gad is sharing his
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family story in interviews and across social media at a time when he says holocaust education is so important. with anti-semitism festering. we tested the technology ourselves using my own family photo of my grandfather, jack kirsch, a jewish american prisoner of war held by the nazis. these were the ten most likely suggestions from the ai. unfortunately none of them a match. >> it wouldn't make sense for my grandfather to have been in these settings. >> reporter: from numbers to names expects there may be millions more photos out there still unanalyzed. the innovation is opening up more memories that are emotional, but hard evidence that holocaust deniers cannot brush aside. >> a picture is a real thing: it's not a drawing by an artist, you know, it's not out of the figment of the imagination. it's a real thing. and if something is real, you cannot deny it. >> reporter: jesse kirsch, nbc
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news. >> incredible reporting and story from jesse and his team, and thanks for watching this hour of msnbc. you can find us on twitter@hallieonmsnbc for highlights and new reporting. you can find me on nbc news now or nbc news streaming channel tonight and every weeknight at 5:00 eastern for show number two. i'll see you there. have a great night. in the meantime, "deadline white house." it's 4:00 in new york at the end of a tumultuous week in our country on multiple fronts a. court in san francisco released several critical pieces of evidence in that shocking case that was a flash point in our ongoing problem, growing problem of political violence. the attack on paul pelosi, the husband of former speaker nancy pelosi. that includes the 911 call that paul pelosi made from inside his bathroom as well as v
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