>> as always, thank you for watching the katie phang show. i will be back tomorrow morning. chelsea is next -- velshi is next. >> good morning, i'm ali velshi. it saturday, january the 28. another morning in america reporting of video footage of a brutal attack at the hands, the fists, the feet, the batons of police officers, leading to unnecessary death of a black man. whatever's alleged crime, and there's no clarity around that issue at all, tyre nichols died after a brutal beating by police. there was no trial, no conviction by a jury of his peers, there was no sentence

imposed by a judge. just a beating and death. last night, the memphis police department released for videos from january 7th, the night that the 20 nine-year-old tyre nichols was stopped by police in beaten by five officers. nichols was hospitalized in critical condition. he died three days later. the five officers involved were arrested on thursday. they were charged with second degree murder. one count of aggravated coal. two counts of aggravated kidnapping. two counts of official misconduct, and one count of official oppression. i want to be clear, what led to those charges and what you're about to see is a lynching caught on camera in america in 2023. and i do need to win, you this video is graphic and it is upsetting. the first part of camera footage shows tyre nichols first encounter with police. he stopped at an intersection, and then officer seen opening nichols car door and pulling him out violently in urgently. you can hear nickel say, i didn't do anything. >> get out of the car.

>> i didn't do anything. >> turn your [bleep] around. >> all right, all right. on the ground, on the ground. >> you don't do that, okay? >> get on the [bleep] ground. i will tease york [bleep]. >> turn around. but >> on the ground. get on the ground. >> all right. >> look at the bottom left of your screen. a taser comes out, and now things are about to go horribly wrong. >> i will break your [bleep]. churned the [bleep] around. put your hands behind your back. >> you guys are really doing a lot right now? stop. i'm just trying to go home. >> i'm on the ground. >> but your hands on your stomach. >> stop, i'm not doing

anything. [bleep] >> freeze. >> oh [bleep]. >> tyre nichols runs away. and what's striking about that first video that the officer began encounter hot, using force immediately, in the beginning, nichols'himself seems to be the one trying to keep the situation calm, the next videos pick up at a second location where another group of police officers stop tyre nichols again. this stops on a security camera mounted on the pole. it shows a group of officers assaulting tyre nichols, willing to pursue the autonomy, and at 1.5 police officers against one. remember tyre nichols, wait about 140 pounds. this third video is arguably the most disturbing.

it shows the assault from one of the officers body worn cameras, again, after one, you this is incredibly graphic and difficult to watch and hear. >> give me your [crowd chanting] -- [bleep] hands. >> watch out. give us your hands. give us your hands. [inaudible] >> give me your [bleep] hands. >> [bleep]. >> this next piece of video, you don't actually have to watch. you just have to listen. if you're a mother or parent, this audio is going to sting. but those officers were beating tyre nichols, beating he would die from, you just about 100 yards away from his own home. he was so close they called out to his mother. >> spray it again.

>> mom! mom! mom! mom! [screaming] >> initially, before this money was made public, the memphis police department claimed that tyree nichols was stopped because police expected him of driving recklessly, but the memphis police chief cj davis said early on friday morning that investigation and review of the footage found quote no proof of reckless driving. e she told nbc news that they can't find evidence as to why nichols was pulled over in the first place. nbc correspondent antonio hilton made the point last night with chris hayes, while doing her best to hold back tears after watching this brutal video with the rest of the nation. >> either at points officers in the video say, show me your hands, show me your hands, but

they are holding tyre nichols's arms and they are kicking him. it is impossible to show us hands. the minutes along as i was watching it. sorry. i have been covering this all day and i thought i could get through the whole day without getting emotional about it, but it felt like forever. before anyone seem to realize the gravity of what had happened to this guy. >> let's talk for a moment about tyre nichols. he loved to watch the sunset. he loved taking pictures of the sunset. you love to skateboard, he had been devoted to the sport since he was a young boy. he started teaching his four-year-old son. his mother, rove on wells, express with great pride how inherently good their son was. >> my son, my son, i know everybody said their mother

said they had a good song, everybody some is good, but my son, he actually was a good boy. my son was a beautiful sal, and he touched everybody. >> tyre nichols and his stepfather rodney wells were very close. mr. while said himself, i was tyrese stepfather, but you can take a step out of it, because that was my son. they were together at fedex on the same shift. they followed a daily routine, created a tradition of sorts, not just for tyreek stepfather, but's mother to. as attorney ben crump explained, torino stop father to camille break at the same time every day. his mother, a home where they all lived, would prepare a meal and with become. now, every day at the same time, she will be waiting. waiting for her son to walk through the door. but only one of them will appear. rowvaughn wells has not pontiff to watch the video yet, that is according to mr. crump. his father ron explain what it was like hearing his son's final words. >> he was calling for his

mother, which made me breakdown. because as i said, it was a block away from the house, and for him to be that close and not make it, and then this perfect thing happened, it was very difficult. >> joining me now from memphis is nbc news correspondent antonia hylton. antonia, we played that clipped a view from last night, these stories are tough. and so thank you for your coverage of it. in the morning after these videos were released, what is the city of memphis looking and feeling like? >> it is somber. i can tell you what i saw into the late evening last night. it was a city that was in shell shock. people who were protesting, were very peaceful and really trying not just to honor tyre nichols and his family, but support each other. there are small groups of people at times watching the video together, asking each other questions, saying, are

you essentially saying what i'm seeing? and it seemed like it was way heavily on people, a lot of folks were at a loss for words. the protests and many points we're very quiet, which i thought was a reflection of just the immense grief, and of course the history here. a city as historic as memphis, the pain at the black community here feels, but they have been here before, and all of that was in the air last night. i think as people come out of that fog, and they get a better look at or understanding of what we see in about an hour of the footage, there will be a lot of questions about the timeline, and about the nature of this unit that these five officers were on, the scorpion unit. when i say timeline, you brought up yourself, we see no evidence of a crime committed by tyre nichols. we snow evidence of reckless driving, at least with what we have been presented with so far. and then, you didn't show it,

but people have the stomach to watch, and warn folks at home, you might not want to, towards the end, there is a long gap before anyone winners him aid. you see additional people arrive on the scene and stand around and he has slumped up on a car, very clearly and physical and emotional anguish, very much in need of first aid assistance, and a very slow, about 20 or so minutes goes by before he is given aid. and that was really one of the most, that is ultimately what had me feeling so emotional last night. it was not being able to wrap my mind around that piece, it opens up questions about who else was on the scene. we now know from the county sheriff's department that two deputies involved have been relieved of their duties pending investigation. and i think you're going to hear community members today push for more of that. they want to know more about how it was possible that people would wait this long, how a traffic stop becomes an

execution, and they will want to know more about the ex -- nature of these police officers trainings, their histories in this department, and i think that is sort of the next route where we are going to see all of the scope. certainly, the calls for reform here are going to continue. even after what we saw last night was peaceful, it was calm, there is a lot of hurt and anger here. >> in that video that you referenced, no one rendering any aid, you see two cups artifice popping each other. that was particularly hard to watch. let me ask you about the idea of the memphis police chief, very much like minnesota, after the killing of george floyd, the police are not behind these officers, which is a change behind these things happening. it makes it easier to have a trial, it makes it easier to get a conviction when the police monthly chief an expert on the police were able to say, this is not how we train our police. this is not what they were supposed to be doing. >> that's right.

it's almost range for me having covered a bunch of these stories in my career, it is odd to have these folks so available to me and to our teams on the ground here as a reporter. the transparency that, the willingness to answer tough questions, stay longer, answer questions when you're walking out the door, this is not what this usually feels like. you see the committee begging for answers, people wait times often four months of information, that's of course not what we have seen happen here over the last couple weeks. and while there is gratefulness around that, offered community members in particular shouted sheaf davis at npd, there is also this frustration and anger at the fact that what that tells them is that it could've happened this way in the past. this could have been listed all alone. why now? and so that is part of the question of course to. and so you are right, there's

been this sort of unprecedented level of access for reporters. and answering questions for the community, and i think that's part of why people were able to process the video last night, they felt like they were respected to some degree by the fact that these five officers are already in custody, they facing second degree murder charges, that is charges. everyone community said they wanted them to face. they are grateful, but they are confused by this hasn't been the standard in recent months in recent years. >> antonia, thank you so much for your excellent reporting on this. nbc's antonia hylton is live in memphis for us. we will stay very close to her and the story. joining me now is sonia pruitt, retired captain of the montgomery county police department and maryland. she's a founder of the black police experience, she joined me last night. captain pruitt, good morning to you again, thank you for being with us. last night not coverage, karen bass, the new mayor of los angeles, former member of congress, was on with my colleague joy reid, and they're talking about the brutality that we saw in the video last night.

i want to play for you how karen bass describe it. >> there is the guardian mentality that is traditional, protect and serve, that is often not done with our communities, and then there is the worst style of policing, where what we saw was the way your style of policing, but to me, and less there are very specific consequences and the leadership, i don't care how much you train people, officers have to know that there will be consequences. >> you made a similar point to me last night, in which he said, training is only as good as what people will actually do. these cops looked and felt acted like warriors, not protectors and defenders. >> yes, an office said the policy is only as good as an officer being held accountable to that policy. and then the police culture squashes both of those things, because if you are deeply entrenched enough into police culture, then the policy in the

training really does not matter. >> you made that point to me, and i guess to antonia, her comment, the lawyer ben crump what happened here after the tragedy is the gold standard for how we need to do it. charge the police, believe them of their duties, investigate and charge. but, how do you change that first part. this will be accountability, and it will never be justice because tyre nichols is dead, how do we change that first part. they get training all over this country, i think we're talking about it last night, everybody trains there police now differently, why did these young police officers, all of whom were recruited between 2017 and 2020, why did they display behavior that we associate with very old school policing. with very old school policing >> because they are mentored and taught, and maybe for some of the draw to policing is this sense that you will have power. and, you know, i was doing some reading last night and i was reminded of something called

distributive justice. distributive justice is different from legal justice, distributive justice puts the impact on distributing their idea of what justice is. there is no idea of due process because the wheels of the process turn to slowly. triggering that is the fact that a citizen might not comply, they might not follow your orders. but you cannot control them. then, all of a sudden, you are like well i can now. and rationally by the police culture and loyalty and how we have always done it. i can now distribute my own justice. and, it does not even matter if you have charges, as you can see no one knows why tyre nichols was stopped, there is a part in the video and the dispatcher says, as they are pursuing him, one of the charges? and, no one answers. because they're probably were not any charges. >> let me ask you very quickly

about the idea that five police officers charged are black and the victim's black, you and i have been talking for three years about police violence and brutality but it has been white police and black victims, what do you glean from what we know about this story? >> that is so sad, in our community way talk about internalized racism, meaning black people who hate their blackness. i am not sure if that is the case here or if they were just overwhelmed with the power that they had been given as police officers. but, what we do know is that clearly, clearly from when you talk to anyone from the black community that the fact that these five officers were not the vanguard that they were supposed to be for our community, that they were actually destroyers of young, black, to all accounts a very kind young man.

i can't, it is hard to find the words. this is been sitting on my heart, i have two sons. they are young, they are slightly built, they are very kind. everyone loves them, and to think that these black man were not seen tyre nichols, or my son, or someone else's son or nephew, as a member of their own family is just incredibly, incredibly hurtful. >> this is been a very hurtful story all around, thank you as always, sonia is a retired police captain and the founder of the black police experience. my friend and colleague reverend al sharpton is set to deliver the eulogy at tyre nichols funeral on wednesday, he joins me to top of the hour to discuss this case. plus, officials in california have released a body camera footage and the 9-1-1 call from the home invasion and attack on nancy pelosi's husband, paul pelosi. we will have the latest in that investigation. but, next, more on memphis. i am joined by someone who's worked on race and criminal

justice has made him one of the most frequently consulted experts on race and policing. the former prosecutor paul butler joins me next. joins me next

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nationwide outbreak between officers -- joining me is paul butler, his work on race and criminal justice has made him one of the most frequently consulted scholars on criminal law and the issues of race and policing, he wrote the book chokehold, placing black man. thank you for being with us, paul. let me ask you about this issue of a black man dying at the hands of police but the police all being black, the conversation we just haven't was sonia brew it. it becomes about the power relationship, which exists in racist policing, what is this? is this part of racism in policing or is this a power

dynamic that comes from toxic policing? >> all of the above, one of the ironies of this video is if these officers were in uniform and badges the same thing that happened to mr. nichols could have happened to them, that does not mean that they are not as biased as any other officer to statistically black men and women suffer the same kind of threat from black and latinx officers as they do from white officers. so, it is important that police departments look like the communities they are supposed to protect and serve, that is a necessary condition but it is not a sufficient condition of equal justice policing. >> every time, you and i have spent a lot of time over the past three years watching videos and what people subsequently die, they are all a little bit different in south carolina, walter scott was running away from police and we watched him get shot, also contrary to what the police officer said. in minneapolis we we saw george

floyd's life being snuffed out, this was unusual in terms of the active violence and the energy that the police had. that the victim did not actually seem to be mirroring. i mean, he was obviously very scared with what was going on, but, he actually seemed to be the calmest voice in the cloud. what do you think was going, on their? >> but the video shows is an american citizen who apparently has done nothing wrong being tortured and executed by armed agents of the state. and, afte on steroids. if you asked these cops what they were doing they would say their jobs. they would say that they wanted to demonstrate the fear of the biggest, toughest, that is cruel on the street. and, mr. nichols sealed his fate when he ran and for eight minutes those officers had to chase him. they are going to make him learn a day, one of the officers said that they should kiss -- they should stop his -- and that is exactly what those officers dead. >> there are a lot of people

who do not fear interactions of police. you would say why would you run if you did nothing wrong? now, let's just point out the fact that he ran after he had spent several minutes on the ground saying that he is complying with what they are asking for, it seemed inconsistent. they are saying get on the ground he is on the ground, the video shows he is on the ground, but they wanted him on the ground in a different way than he was on the ground. they were holding his arms if they want to fly on the ground. so, he, at some point makes the decision to run away. let's just talk a little bit about why he would have had a fear that would have caused him, 140-pound man to run away from five armed police. >> so, what happens is that he stopped for apparently no reason, he says i did not do anything wrong. they are trying to yank him out of the car, they tase him, the pepper spray him, they are cursing and screaming at him, he does what i would have done if i was attacked by five armed thugs, i would have run, especially if my mother's house was 100 yards away, and again, they are going to try to make

him pay for that, this is, you know, it is, as a black man it is really hard to think that this could happen in this country. but, the reality is that it happens all the time. especially with the squads. people have pointed out that mr. nichols was 145 pounds and suffered from crohn's disease. when you get arrested in tennessee they take your measurements, all five of the officers who were arrested were over 200 pounds, two of them were college football players, that is part of their qualification for the kind of police work that they do. >> we were talking to the attorney general from minnesota last night about the prosecution of george floyd, you will remember that because you and i covered a lot together. it was not a slam dunk. it looked like, it people who saw videos that this is going to be obvious but it is never obvious because when they were selecting a jury they asked members of the jury do you believe in black lives matter? have you ever experienced racism yourself? with the idea that that kind of

thing could be disqualifying. they are going to bring up all sorts of things, last night there was reference on the video to the fact that he may have tried to grab the police officer's gun, there was some reference to him being on something. on a different network, they are talking about toxicology reports. they try to do that with george floyd, tried to come into the george floyd died of something else. this is not. as obvious as watching that video makes it it is not that obvious. >> the defense is always to blame the victim answer the police acted reasonably. i think based on this video it is very hard to accept that and it should be hard for a juror. but, as you say, every case is different, these are five different officers who were charged. they are going to try to point the finger at each other. as you say, they are going to say well, we did not kill mr. nichols. he died of some other cause. and then, all the prosecution needs is one juror to go with them. jurors are often sympathetic to police. but, we have to give the movement for black lives credit because, it is responsible for these officers being fired so quickly.

it is responsible for the fact they are criminal prosecutions, it is responsible for the fact there were not violent protests last night, because what the violence usually about is getting officers charged. and, because of the success of the movement these officers were charged. >> one thing keith ellison said last night is because of the success of the movement everyone sees these videos now. which, in jury selection can be seen as prejudicial. >> it may be seen as prejudicial but you would not want a juror who did not respond to this video with human empathy, that does not mean that they can't put aside their emotion and judge the case fairly. >> thank you for your help and analyzing this we always appreciate it, sorry it is always about things like this, professor george town school of law paul is in nbc news legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. he is also an officer of chokehold, placing black man. we have more members coming up in just a bit but up ahead we are going head overseas where russia continues its brutal barrage on ukrainian civilians. we will have the latest on the war in ukraine after this. his. with the subway series menu.

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that if you buy these tanks you can't pass them to someone else without germany's explicit permission. germany has given that information, united states is sending 31 of the advanced abrams m1 tanks, at the same time the important russian state media says that russia has acquired 30 t 34 tanks from laos, which is soviet union produced in 1934. which last reportedly received as a gift for vietnam in the 19 80s. both the leopard and the abrams tanks will make a major impact. although they will not be put into battle by several months. just a logistics matter of getting them there and getting ukrainians trained in them. following the tank announcements russia launched another major barrage of missile and self destructing drone strikes in areas including kyiv, appalachia, and odessa, ukrainian officials say at least 11 people have died and the strikes are a continuation of russia's strategy of targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure very far from the front, trying to terrorize the ukrainian

citizenry into submission. it is a strong today continues not to work. joining me now is the admiral james -- the former ally of nbc news chief international security. he is the author of several important books including to risk at all, nine conflicts and the crucible of decision. admiral, thank you for being here, you are uniquely qualified for the discussion that has taken place on the last three weeks. there was a real push by the ukrainians to say something that i paraphrase as you can prosecute this for six weeks at a time. nato has to make a decision about what it is prepared to do. and then do it now to let the ukrainians get ahead of this thing because russia is a country of almost 150 million people. they keep sending people to the front, they might be conscripts, they might be who knows what. but, they have people, tell me what you think has changed in the last couple of weeks. >> well, first of all, good analysis. we need you in the pentagon. we need to get a head of this thing and i will give you a

perfect example of it. adding the tax is going to be just in time for, in other words i think we will get those leopards, certainly, and i think the abrams will come very quickly behind the british challengers. that is going to be just in time supply chain, if you will, is a will make a big difference because they can be masked, they can crunch through the russian lines, they can defend against a potential spring offensive from vladimir putin, but, that is just in time scheduling. we need to get ahead of the power curve and here is where we can do it. it would be getting combat aircraft to the ukrainians. that is the next big need on the battlefield. the 20 nines are fueled by the polls, those be very good in this role. we could train them to fly the u.s. f-16's, the ukrainians could learn to fly that. i think very quickly that would

be an example, your point, i'm getting ahead, because those tanks are going to be terrific or they are going to need air cover. and, as we saw from the attacks just over the last couple of days, putin begin continues to control the skies over ukraine, your point is well taken, i thought let's shine a light on combat aircraft, that is the next conversation. >> the hasn't instill that, we have talked u.n.i. before because at one point early in the world almost a year ago poland said what your plans on the tarmac we can come and get them and the u.s. said not so fast on this. part of the issue, and it is the issue that germany brought up when they said, if we send our tanks and it will be proof to vladimir putin that this is a western war, this is a nato supported war, it was not a war on ukrainian side but they were invaded. but, it is that idea, that if we escalate russia will escalate and vladimir putin does drop this whole nuclear weaponry thing everyone now and again. >> yeah, and, we should not

overreact to his nuclear, in my view it is bluster, he is not going to launch a strategic nuclear attack, he knows that will lead to the destruction of his nation, i despise milligram putin. but i will give him this, he loves his country, he is not going to reach for that leverage the apocalypse in a way that is going to cause a nuclear exchange and destroy russia, could he use a tactical nuclear weapon? ali, maybe. but, it seems highly unlikely, the international reaction to that would be massive and negative, it would move many of those swing votes india, pakistan, nigeria, brazil, it would move them away from russia. so, let's partner to the piece of this, i do not think it is realistic, i think that distinction with fighter aircraft is simply their range, could they launch an attack targets in russia? for example? that would be highly escalatory, i think we could restrain our

ukrainian partners, they would certainly be willing to say we will use those inside our borders, i think that is the next argument and for me the idea that giving them tanks is escalatory, giving them planes escalator, we have kind of past the point of that discussion. and, closely on this, putin owns this problem, he is the one who invaded, the problem is not nato expansion. that is the magical thinking. the problem is vladimir putin aircraft can help the ukrainians. >> -- of estonia was on with me last week and he said why are we worried about whether russia is going to be part of this country. the swing votes you talk about, the india, the south africa, that may move if voter putin did something with the weaponry

of people who buy russian oil, that is their source of foreign currency. admiral, thank you as always for your analysis. >> ali, just one final point, we all our cause and wish our master to moscow well. talking about someone who is serving the country in a vital and important job. and, by the way, she follows in the footsteps of former ambassador bill burns to russia. who is now the head of the cia. critical job. very proud of her. well don, tough shot ahead. >> we have to remember you are also our chief diplomacy analyst, and, even in war diplomacy is one of the most important things, it is often how wars and, thank you sir, admiral james is the former allied commander at nato and chief international security and diplomacy analyst. he is the author of to risk it, all nine conflicts and the crucible of decision. officials in california have released body cam footage and 9-1-1 call from the october attack on then speaker nancy pelosi's husband paul, we will have the latest on that investigation coming up next.

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have released video evidence from the night a man broke into the home of former speaker nancy pelosi and attacked her husband with a hammer, the pelosi family, prosecutors, and defense attorneys asked for the video not to be released but a judge overruled their request, nbc's ronny schwartz has details. but, we have to warn you that some of the video you're about to see is disturbing. >> drop the hammer. >> it was a sudden attack captured on police body cam, video showing the moment paul pelosi, has been a former speaker nancy pelosi was knocked unconscious, struck in the head with a hammer inside his home, according to newly released case evidence the chain of events started around two a.m.'s october 28th, security video shows than 32 year old break into the pelosi home. minutes later populace-y calls 9-1-1 with the path in earshot, cryptically trying to communicate the intruder was looking for his wife, the speaker of the house without antagonizing him. >> i have a problem.

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a video showing the beating of tyre nichols which prosecutors allege led to his death, now i say that because he was beaten on january 7th, he died on a couple days later and hospital. five police officers who have been charged, five police officers have been charged in his, death charged with second degree murder. tyre by the way is 29 years, sold about 145 pounds which becomes relevant when looking at the video of what happened with cops that were all larger than he, was and heavily armed.

he's a guy who likes skateboarding, he like taking pre-show stand, that he loved sunsets and took pictures of a lot. he had a four-year-old son. he worked with his stepfather at fedex, they would take their lunches together every day, and go home. and, his mom would cook him lunch every single day. joining me now live in memphis, nbc news correspondent sam brock, we have just spoken with a member of the memphis city council who has -- he has gotten, idea of a postulation about the body cameras. >> yeah, it is definitely more than an idea, ali, good morning. one of the questions and all this many of us have, watching this, video what transpired prior to this first confrontation. as he explained to, meet the body cameras have to be activated once officers approach the, scene if they realize something is going to happen, and it has no audio on it so that is why we do not hear anything on that video for the first minute. then, they approach tyree nichols car, and so as that is all going, on you will notice,

part of this coming from a body camera, but in the second confrontation, with only two different vantage point to body cameras, there is the five responding officers and so the question becomes where are these other vantage points that were supposed to be provided? as was explained by the council member, there was a meeting last night with four council members and a lead attorney for the city. their discussion, having known that they disclosed all of any witness, there's only two possibilities here, ali, one is that three of those officers just did not activate their body cameras, and the other is that the video was lost. it is certainly relevant in the sense the body camera footage policy in memphis came about from a 2018 situation, with a gentleman named -- who was shot by police and body cameras on those officers were not activated the entire time, and led to a new policy here. so just not turning on your body cam aisle is a violation of policy according to mr. carlile. so one of the reasons potentially that these officers were fired in the first place.

but it is just trying to grapple with, and understand the sequencing of events. what video was available, and when? but the sheer brutality of what we witnessed. we know one of the eternities for -- talked about the fact, this is one of the officers fired, described him as a gentle respectful farther, what kind of father looks at someone else's son being beaten like this, right? we saw -- kicking on the ground as he is lying down, and these are more of the questions to be wrestled within the coming weeks. we will get more information on what exactly transpired with these body cameras. >> there's a question about -- which we saw a massive failure of in minneapolis, and again, we seem to be witnessing on this video. i have a copy of the memphis police department policy procedures dated july 5th 1921, so this is an updated version of the policy you were just talking about. the refer to body worn cameras, it does officer shot activate their body worn cameras when

responding -- prior to making the scene of a dispatched call in the event that recording was not started prior to the scene of a dispatch car, an officer will activate the device as soon as reasonably possible. the next point is that officers shell required all law enforcement encounters and activities. so as a matter of policy, if they all had body worn cameras on, and they were in an active situation as they, were because they were involved with dispatch, they were calling it in, they pulled over for what they the police officers argued was reckless driving on both police chief says there is no evidence of that. they say, -- the >> the reality is, you are looking at two different body cameras, it is that -- that provides the greatest context of, all since we see the group of