responding -- prior to making the scene of a dispatched call in the event that recording was not started prior to the scene of a dispatch car, an officer will activate the device as soon as reasonably possible. the next point is that officers shell required all law enforcement encounters and activities. so as a matter of policy, if they all had body worn cameras on, and they were in an active situation as they, were because they were involved with dispatch, they were calling it in, they pulled over for what they the police officers argued was reckless driving on both police chief says there is no evidence of that. they say, -- the >> the reality is, you are looking at two different body cameras, it is that -- that provides the greatest context of, all since we see the group of five officers surrounding tyre nichols, and

delivering those body blows. we only had two different body camera perspectives. so yes, the question about the third. the other point that needs to be made, here there was a sixth responding officer part of the scorpion unit, this officer is, white and we do see his body camera as well. he is heard on that body camera, he stays behind with the abandoned vehicle, pretty portman policy, and his system into the effective, i hope they stop him. this is audible on his camera. it just speaks again to the narrative of what the mentality of this unit, was or was not as they approached what is allegedly a basic traffic infraction, and ultimately led to the death sentence for this man. >> if you have a basic traffic infraction, but then you have the car, the drive is no longer in control of that, car and he is gone, the proximate threat for which you engaged is not gone. you have the car, you will know who it is, there are a lot of municipalities across the country including philadelphia where i spend a lot of time, where they decided they are not engaging in a routine traffic

things, because this happens. they become this, they escalate in like this, even cops in the city say, let's not do this. let's do real policing, let's not do this. the danger of what we watched him on physical wrong is too great. >> it is just not worth it. then, again it necessitates a question about why whether yanking him out of this car right away in the words of the memphis police chief who came in out of ten of ten and we don't have the backup, we don't have those conversations that occurred prior to this initial confrontation. but, they come up with guns drawn, that it stands out right away in that first, video and they pull him out of the car and tyre nichols is on the ground within seconds after that, saying what did i, do i'm just trying to go home. it is a level of violence and aggression that was displayed. i have not heard an explanation for this yet. what could have potentially precipitated -- we all know, that's scorpion unit, a specialist union right now is even active for the time

being, according to memphis's mayor. >> this is important, reporting i thank you for bringing it to us as quickly as you could, nbc's sam brock is in memphis, there were other police, there but we don't have video from the body worn cameras, we are trying to figure out why that, is because i thought the policy right here for the memphis police department, and it, says body cameras have to be worn and on when they engage in a stop. i want to bring in my friend reverend al sharpton who's a -- host of politicsnation here on msnbc, is going to give the eulogy at tyre nichols funeral services next week as he always does, and, i know i appreciate it, because he's alone his for, you i appreciate you taking time to talk to our audience hear about it, you have heard this new news, this seems to be a great deal of instances -- every one of these police killings is different, but this one was violent, this one had an energy to, it is cops came in hot, and it is just not, clear the memphis police department says what they say

they stopped him for, that doesn't seem to be any evidence, of the reckless driving, but even if true, they stopped the, got they have, him it is done, it is over, why they're beating, why the, chasing why they're haymakers, why the kick in the face? >> and, what was troubling as i watched the film last night, and i spoke about an hour ago with his parents and authentic crump is that they seem to fairbury give a narrative that pushed the opposite of what they were doing. they kept saying give us your hands, when they had his arms. it was almost like the were narrow reading a cover up while they were doing what became a crime. and, that was troubling because, first of all, you after someone who's not committed a crime, and at worst it would've been a traffic situation, and now even the police chief is saying,

there is no evidence of that. but if you thought he had run a light, or was speeding, once you stop and grab him out of the car, -- >> he can do anything after that. you have taken that threat away. so why chase him? when they said -- i hope they get him, why, you have a scar, you know who he, is it is 2020, three you can find him. you can arrest him into what you want later. it's so many municipalities, thanks to the work you have, done have decided as he just said, it is not worth it to possibly end up with someone dead over a traffic infraction. >> and, over something we don't even know was a traffic infraction, if it was something worse, you do not be demanded death. five men on 120 men then young men unarmed, five men. you or i could have probably handcuffed him, so what is this power trip? what is this venom that we allow police to put on private

citizens and then talking to the camera, there is some kind of threat, i have seen many things over the years, this is if not the worst i have seen. i remember 32 years ago i led marches around rodney king, this is worse than rodney king. the fact that they were black makes it even more agree just to, me we fought to get blacks on the police force, and for them to behave this way is inexcusable, which is what we are going to stay with us family and demand justice, and policy and legal change. >> professor jelani cobb of the columbia journalist and who was with me last, night he is obviously studied this a great deal, he said studies indicate when you integrate police forces, which is something you have been calling, for others have been calling for for decades, and has been done in some cases, it only marginally reduces the likelihood of violence against black people. he said that was some surprise, why is it only marginal, why is it that black police do not see

black people who they treat as somebody sort of who's like them and worthy of empathy, but -- from maryland told me the same thing this morning often that is not how it is regarded. >> they become too -- far the police culture, and the next day they become the law to themselves, and secondly there is no legislation that makes them feel that they have anything, which is why i have said that we must intensify passing the george floyd justice and policing act, qualified immunity makes the policeman less -- which is a very rare, unless there is some criminal charges, i'm not at, risk my house, my car won't be taken my family will be fine we must make federal law where we make it

clear that you have skin in the game when you do the kinds of things that you have done in this case of kyrie nichols. >> and to be, fair qualified immunity music and be sued by the family, cannot be sued by the work they do in the course of their policing, even if determined that that policing was bad policing, and that is part of the problem we have, non one hand that is true on the other hand attorney crump we spoke to this morning and the nicholson family, terry nichols family has said they wanted first degree murder charges, but they are not dissatisfied with the idea that the second degree murder charges, however, as you know charles alone are complicated and even things that look like slammed ox are not when it comes to police. >> i warn people and i will be doing this in the usual eulogy that this will be a long road, and they will try to separate these trials, try to prolong them so that the media is gone, one of the reasons why families engage with groups like national action network, is we are here for the long run i

spent time last night talking to people who i thought would 30 is to go to bring in the memphis, because they understand the pain of this family there is -- you know that as well as i do they are going to have to deal with this and that is what we need to stand by them and with them, and we need to make sure that tyree does not die in vain, let's have a federal law named after him and george floyd, let's change the legal options these policemen have, we cannot stand -- but we can certainly change how they operate their hands. >> we came really close to getting that done after george floyd's death and that was a video that ricocheted around the world. does this get us closer? does tyre nichols not dying in vain mean that maybe a few extra people will say that is all we needed in washington, just a few extra people to vote in favor of this in the senate, and passed a fairly reasonable law that would create greater

accountability for police. >> i think this could bring us closer, we have only a need for a few more, and we have people looking at 2024 politics, making sure i do not know very well if we are going to make every effort we can, you know it, is interesting to me when i study the generation ahead of me, civil rights activists, they did not know what particular incident would trigger them getting a civil rights act of 64 to -- 65, just kept going until -- and that is what we are going to do. either one, it may not be the, one but it won't be the cause that we didn't press with all we had. >> reverend, thank you for being with, us reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network tuning into politics nation on msnbc today, at 5 pm, the rough will be sitting out with the family's attorney benjamin crump as well as with tyree nichols's mother and stepfather

-- rodney wells. we will continue to cover the story, of course rev will be eulogizing tyre nichols at his funeral this week. we will be heading back to memphis later this hour, we continue to follow the story of the investigation and the fallout of the release of the police body cam footage, and by the way, whether there is now missing body cam footage, because there is some speculation that we do not have everything that we should have had, this is the story of the beating of tyre nichols which led to his death. this is a bombas performance sock.

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the west bank where the latest round of violence threatens to plunge the region into a bloody conflict, a 13-year-old palestinian opened fire in history is lynn today winning at least two people. listen and day after another gunman killed seven people outside a synagogue in jerusalem, fridays gunman was killed in a shootout with police shortly after the shooting, israeli police say today's shooter was shot and

apprehended. the washington post is reporting that israeli forces arrested 42 people in east jerusalem as israeli security forces -- israeli forces are operating under the highest alert level, and deployed additional -- to the west bank today. friday, shooting comes just one day after israel's single deadliest shooting a person in the west bank in two decades. and, many palestinians were killed with the israeli military refugee camp in the west bank city of jenin. israel says the raid was aimed at -- another springsteen told one number of palestinians killed in less than a month to 30 according to the new york times. demonstrations erupted across the west bank following thursday's deadly rain, and -- later in the day during a

protest north of jerusalem. with the palestinian authority announced it was immediately suspending -- that is aimed a containing militants, that is a move that threatens to -- following the recent ultranationalist government, the most right-wing government in the country's history. meanwhile, gaza militants fired rockets and airstrikes friday morning, tensions in the region continue to soar, this latest flare-up comes just days ahead of secretary of state anthony blinken's planned trip to the weekend this weekend. he will meet separately with israeli and palestinian leadership. a lot has been going on there. we are on the rapidly escalating situation, joined by -- who has been covering the story for a very long time, but, it is just one of those things, and we're happens all the time, and not others level of velocity and intention. >> yeah, hallie, it feels

different, it feels like there is a mass worse, collisions only secretary of state blinken chip heroes in the region tomorrow, could not becoming a more important time. unison he will meet with israeli officials, palestinian officials, now, ali, we both my lot of time, there and it is the place of the israeli radar pin on thursday, just give our viewers a bit of context, mid -- usually at night this was a rare daytime raid which is why a shootout ensued which is why that death toll we understand nine people were killed including an elderly woman including seven militants was so high. that sparked rage, now it is so interesting, we are talking to our storm team on the town, -- one of our producers they are talking about what we are -- gunman from yesterday's

shooting men to hamas or the islamic jihad. when we saw that rocket fire coming, and it was not coming from the islamic jihad, or hamas. so, as we're watching next 24 hours, and minute women, hour-by-hour, we are going to watch if either the islamic jihad, or if hamas kind of says anything. if they take any real action. if they escalate this. now what is interesting, the are seeing protests, we are seeing clashes happen in some of those eastern neighborhoods reacting to what has been happening the last 24 hours with israeli security at such a high alert, is they are at their highest alert ever with benjamin netanyahu's right wing government, obviously threatening to escalate this. we could see the situation republicans in the next 24 hours, ali. >> molly, this is an interesting point you, make

benjamin netanyahu's back, i think there are some people who mr. stadia that he is back. nor to create this coalition and made him prime minister, again these really politics have moved further further right over the year. they are now studying a battalion into the west bank, so the situation is, real not just rhetorical, often you hear policy as the, something here is something, but palestinians are curtailing this cutie operation which is quite functional, and why a lot of young palestinians are mad. and eliminating our who says he's taking real action, he is thicker or troops to the west bank. >> and, he says that is not all that is going to be, denis says he's going to be having full plan to react to the events, to the deadly few days. now benjamin netanyahu to form this government, as you, mentioned factors government full of ultranationalist who are pushing for a very hard line against palestinians. it was a busy year and international news in 2022, we did not focus as much i think we have in the past on this area. it was the deadliest year for

palestinians that we have seen in nearly two decades, ali. there were flare-ups. we certainly don't see a full are, conflict we has been grinding, reaching the runway when we look at the start of the year as you mention. that number, at least 30 palestinians have been killed just this month, now they see most of those are militants, but we do know that civilians get caught in those raids like we saw on thursday in geneva, 61-year-old woman it was not a, militant was killed, the israelis say they are looking into that. but, we do know as a battalion for example into the west bank as they enforce those, troops near will be civilians who are caught in this, in addition to the militants we saw for example take up arms in janine, ali. additional context on janine, or are the only places in the occupied west bank you will see palestinian militants with guns. that is why there was actually shoe, that that is where they were able to return fire, that is why that the thought was

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everything ukraine swore we don't do, we will do, and more. in the last three weeks, you and i have spoke about, this we discussed not prosecuting -- and nato just deciding what it is capable of doing, and doing, and a lot of that has happened. these battle tanks, the armaments announced last week, it is a lot of stuff. >> this past week, i may have -- confident that we will ultimately transfer planes, everything else that is on the list from ukraine that we still haven't delivered because we have yet to fully support ukraine, a year into this -- the fact that everything they said was a red line, we blown, past and even now there is still reluctance to provide -- kind of toward these tanks much

more quickly, long winter fires amongst other capabilities, gels that we don't often talk, about we will get there, this administration that is so deeply reluctant for multiple reasons, one of which is ukraine winning too much, russia losing to badly, and what that means for russian stability. we still have not gotten past some of these major obstacles, kind of locks and then administration. >> tell me about what that, means russia and ukraine when it too much of russia, losing to badly, because i think for people who don't study, war they would, say going back to was before the war, or before the invasion of crimea steams -- ukraine getting a slant, back russia getting ready to -- everybody living peacefully, ukraine will then become a nato country overtime, and this will happen again. what does we need to, much and losing to other mean, and why is that a problem? >> well it is mainly a problem not because it is an issue for

ukrainians and -- it is the fact that russia has a nuclear power, and there are misplaced fears that in the final phase of this war, in crimea is threatened, putin could lash out and that is a -- i think that is the most dangerous part of this war. it is likely to be late summer, the fall, deep into this year, and if it had to be the, slate things -- putin could have come to the recognition that he did not have an alternate means to achieve the claims early on before he really had the chance to ruminate on a or bans or take incremental steps to using nuclear weapons. that is a big issue in most of the cute face towards the end of this year is whether russia uses nukes. the other one, and are not going to, do it it is if they start their foot on that one, putin is not going to manifest the one thing his most concerned about, which is ending his regime in the use of nuclear weapons, there is a real risk of that.

where as taking tail into -- he could live to fight another, day he is not threatened. he could still suppresses population, he still acts -- the other aspect of this, is what happens to you russia internally? what happens if russia is on the outs and, he gets replaced by another mad man like prigozhin that sometimes gets talked about. i don't think he's likely contender for replacement, but these are more radical candidates, what happens if there is internal civil war in russia, and north carcasses break, of what happens if there is a -- new scenario. this is something i've been writing about for quite some time, it is part of my dissertation actually, these are the fears again frankly from folks that do not necessarily understand the topic as well as they should, to be able to make decisions they are making now that drives their decision-making, and roster billet-y to lean in and support ukraine and -- conclusion. >> that is what we have you on, here because you are -- all of these, things and you have been running, and i encourage viewers to read your writing.

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release of body cam footage showing the brutal beating of tyre, nichols demonstrations cropped up across the country. shortly after the footage was -- shut down the i-55 rich which was a major highway. for more action on the, ground we are joined by nbc news national reporter gianna hampton who's reporting from this morning. the on, use it unit together in these things, while i'm reporting the developments from officials and things happening, you are out there talking to people about what they are feeling. and, the feels were very big and memphis last. night the idea that this video was out, there are people or processing, it there were four different videos, what is the mood, and what have you've been hearing? >> i mean, just before the commercial break, there was a car that drove by and said justice for tylee a few minutes ago. i think that is the mood and feeling of a lot of people right now. they want justice.

so there is about 400 people who called to stop traffic on interstate 55 last night in both directions, i think it was most depressing to me is that it was very peaceful protest, i did not see anybody get arrested, i did not see any type of vandalism, and it is good because you do not want those type of things to continue and have been in these situations. i remember in cincinnati when there was george floyd protests there early in the morning, looters and vandals, they broke into a record number of stores in downtown cincinnati. we saw none of that last night. i think that is for several, reasons one, because the city of memphis and police department did a very good job of being transparent with the public about what was going on. even though we had me -- we kind of knew from the quotes of the lawyers about this rodney king beating we saw, the police chief said this was a heinous speeding. so some of that was already to the point we knew it was bad,

we just had not seen the video yet. and, also, because the police department and city officials acted so swiftly, going after the police officers we saw, they were fired, they were accused and later charged with second degree murder charges, so because of that you end up seeing peaceful protests last night, and ended up stopping traffic on interstate 55 for about four hours. >> the, on what is the stance, he said the police have been -- me the one, people used the language that people who are watching this would say, it was heinous, it was remarkably violent, at the same time the family seemed satisfied with the charges that have been laid, but justice for terry means an actual trial, and actual conviction. you and i spoke about this in minneapolis, there is a long way between where we are today and conviction on the series

charges these police face. >> right. this is kind of like the blueprint of, in my opinion, as far as how cities should go after these types of situations. in a lot of different cases, it takes forever to get charges brought, up or takes forever for city officials to respond, war to get results from the investigation. that did not happen in this case. within a week of this becoming national news, there were charges against these officers, which i think going forward, that is what a lot of different departments need to think that -- a lot of times what happens is, is that it is the shock factor. all of a sudden, out of the, blue you see video, nobody really had a chance to brace for what was coming. but everybody had a chance to prepare in anticipation for what was coming last night, and i think that is why they got the positive results from the protests last night. >> jan, thanks again for

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we have together to recreate david levithan book called two boys kissing. this is the banned book club feature. two boys kissing is one of the skillfully written novels. the plot is not indicative of the story being told. novel grapples with freedom, equality, intergenerational community. it is seen through a tender coming of age lands. the reader is not alone one observing the impact of that case. the book employs the use of a literary device, a greek chorus. there is the ghosts of a generation of gay man who died during the a aids epidemic. they function as a narrator. we meet them first before any other character on the first page. we are there spur spirit burn that you carry, like that of your grandparents, or the friends from her childhood. at some point they moved away. we try to make it as lightburn as possible. we were once the ones who were living, and then we were the ones who were dying. and quote.

that is based on true events. two boys case a explores the all too real burden. one of hatred, rejection, homophobia. just as the chorus says, it manages to keep it light. even the face of tragedy. the book is characterized by optimism, compassion. the future is brighter in the world that harry, craig, ryan, avery, neil, and cooper live in. two boys casing has been challenged. topping the american literary association's top ten list three times. 2015, 2016, and 2018. we have covered many books that to explore the experience and coming of age journey. never have we featured a book that is being targeted because of the cover alone. in 2014, the parents of a child in virginia argue that the imagery of the bug violet of the schools against public displays of affection. water schools have rules against public displays of affection in the first place? that is another topic.

she did eventually open the cover of the brooklyn enough to count the profanities. ten uses of a profane word that starts with f and rhymes with doc. the recent graduate identified himself as a member of the lgbtq+ community. he wanted removal. he described the power of two boys kissing another bucks. you wrote a letter to the school board. he wrote in part, quote, the bucks are very poignant to me. my librarians help to broaden my horizons. i did half a sit round and think that i was so alone in this school. i have to reference the imagery of the chorus into boys kissing once again. that boy from that virginia high school, like the boy into boys kissing, he is not alone. even if he has yet to find a community. even if he has felt ostracized, shamed, hated. he has authors and fictional characters. we have seen it again and again. books can save a life. right after the break, i am thrilled to be joined by david levithan. he is the award winning author of numerous novels, that

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david levithan. he is the author of numerous were winning books, including today's band book feature, two boys kissing. david, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me here. >> great book. it is based on a true story. when you get challenged, when somebody wants to ban this book,

have removed from a library, doesn't matter that it is based on a true story or not? >> i mean, i don't think it is. my book hits this list because it is called two boys kissing. it shows two boys kissing on the cover. it contains more than two boys kissing inside. yes, historical record, there is the fact that it is based on intergenerational -- it is a generation of man who died from aids. they are looking down at the current generation. none of those subtleties matter. they just object to two boys kissing. >> i was saying that this is optimistic. it has a lightness to it that you would not expect based on the description of the book that i gave. if you are writing the book today, would you be as optimistic in the way that it was written? >> i think that i would be more optimistic. i think that one of the things that the older generation in the book realizes that the younger generation has their act together. they are going to experience more freedoms than they ever imagined. even though adult are trying to get in the way of what they do, what they read, who they kiss, they will still try.

i believe that with every ounce of my heart. >> we talked about the greek chorus. it is prevalent. you hear from them before you hear from any of the other characters in the book. that starts in the introduction. talk about that as a literary device in why you chose it. >> looking at my boats, i was startled that i had not engaged in the older generation. my uncle lived with aids for over 35 years. i was obviously close to him, his friends. i saw what they went through. i really like the idea of what their generation would see when they saw the generation below mine. that the internet generation. i was honoring them. part of the lightness in the tone is because that is how they live life. it was not all seriousness. it was defiance, humor, as well as struggle. >> the struggle is different. something has morphed. it has become central because of fans. because of so-called culture wars.

the >> as we said on this show the, people can say they are not alone. there are more targeted on school environments. -- >> the conflict as one from internal to externalize. you used to doubt yourself, doubt who you are. now the younger generation does understand who they are. there are bad adults who are resisting it. >> one point in the book, tyreek gives his friend walt whitman. he reads the poem. we two boys are together clinging. is that tied to the title? is that where the title comes from? >> what i love about the intergenerational aspect of the book, it inspired a painting that i saw exhibited in d.c. when i was down there for my best friends wedding. seeing that, okay, we learn from each other. we build on each other. that is what this is all about.

what i do and writing this book, there are already people who read this book when they were a teenager. they are writing novels and creating ardent spired by it. that is how we grow and create change. >> were you surprised a challenge to the book or not? but you write it and design the cover? >> i mean, my first book was called boy meets boy. i knew that there would be resistance. it would be easy to hide away, call the book something else, and half people find it secretly. i love the power of a kid walking in a scene that book on the shelf. they know they are represented. >> you are part of a team of writers where books get challenged. should that team grow? in other words, is it good for the literary world books are written and get challenged? there are viewers in bookstores through new york. you walk by and there is a book section. people just by the book.

hey, why did you banned that? >> yes. support them. when i started, this was published 20 years ago. if you had censorship titles, they were the same six authors on them. now there are so many authors being charged and challenged. 1800 authors and illustrators had their books challenged. 18 hundreds. i see that figure. i am not afraid of the challenges. i am proud of publishing. i am proud we have that many authors writing books that people are afraid of. ranting about that many identities that people want to try and silence. 1800 authors. you are not gonna silence as easily. >> are people last tolerant? are we writing more books that challenge people? >> we are writing more books that challenge people. there is the politicization of it that was not there even five years ago. we are in the eye of that storm. it has become political. these people really care.

they see they can gain power by attacking us. they are just doing it for political. >> you work for a company in addition to being the author. this is one of the fantastic interviews. >> i did, i did. quite proudly. >> alex was speaking for readers who have not heard their voices in at a level of literature before. >> alex is clearing transgender. it is not all of that clear. it is not all that clear how you're gonna find books like that. >> yes. again, our literature evolves very quickly. ten years ago, there were some voices not on the shelf. we have to find those voices. we have to empower voices like alex. they're true to the heart. that is what alex keeps doing. it resonates. >> amazing. you're writing books that get challenge and banned.

you are publishing books. >> yes. >> you are a walking, talking banned book guy. david, thank you. i appreciate the book and i appreciate you coming in here. >> thank you. >> david is the author of two boys kissing. if you can believe it, it has been a year since we started the banned book club. one year of close reads and resisting reading. next week, we are taking it back to the beginning. we are with nikole jones. this book is really framing the way that our nation abusively every. it has been targeted for relentless banning. this is the thing that we start with. we talk to her about this. nikole hannah-jones and her work inspired the velshi banned book club. we need to get her back on the anniversary. do not miss this special meeting of the benbow cloud. saturday, february 4th. 9:40 a.m.. tell us what you want in the bulk of.

my story is velshi.com. we are gonna involve this thing over the next year. that's it for me. thanks for watching. ks for watching. don't forget the velshi is available on a podcast. listen on the go at anytime. i wear that mask when i do the podcast. subscriber list for free wherever you get your podcasts. where you are. lindsey reiser picks up the coverage right now. ight now good morning, welcome. i am lindsey reiser in new york. we are following breaking news overnight of protests happening across america. that is following the release of this -- an encounter with man finish please resolve it in the death of a 29 year old black man. it all began with a police stop. that suspicious of reckless driving. he was not home for dinner during his breakout wo