from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin with the breaking news and new reaction to the heartbreaking and disturbing video released by memphis police. showing the beatings that led to the death of tyre nichols. small groups of protesters taking to the streets overnight and several big cities, as well as in front of the white house. new video shows protests in downtown los angeles turning testy when someone tossed a smoke bomb at an lapd car. and ypg made three arrests during protests in times square, but protests across the country have been overwhelmingly peaceful. this all began when 29-year-old nichols was stopped by memphis police on january 7th. he died three days later. official police account say, he complained of shortness of breath, after two confrontations but his family lawyer says that he suffered extensive bleeding caused by a severe beating. the newly-released video bears that out, and as outrage grows

around this country we have new reaction today from people demanding change. . >> five police officers. it doesn't matter. if not even one of them said no, this is not. right >> there is really no words to describe. it i was sick to my stomach. i had to walk away a few times. it just breaks your. heart >> you have to stand up and be reminded that this isn't just a mentor thing or a sacramento or california thing. this is a national thing. >> unfortunately, he is right. we have reporters and analysts joining us with reactions of what to expect next in this case. we are going to go first to nbc's tom brock, standing by in memphis for us. sam, good day to you. what can you tell us about this scene just after 11 am central time where you are there? the morning after that video was released? >> hey alex. good afternoon to. you good morning here. it is calm right now. it is going to be really interesting to see what some of

the protesters are saying today alex azar's a 3 pm protest local that is scheduled. many of them last night, according to the my colleague priscilla thompson went out protesting before they even seen the video. they were peaceful as you noted, very carefully they got onto a highway on interstate 55. they blocked traffic for a period of time but they had a bullhorn, alex, where they were telling police, the world is watching. be careful, we are just trying to get our voices heard. and that is exactly what happened. there was no engaging with law enforcement, there was no destruction. as for the video itself, that was not peaceful. i'm told, alex, that the body camera video had to be activated by police. it is not just rolling constantly. and a local councilman tells me that he believes there is a very strong likelihood that three out of the five responding officers in that second violent confrontation, did not activate their body cam. we are out to the city to find out a, how many body cameras actually were released, and be, whether or not that is true. but right now, we are just processing and absorbing this video that a shock to the country. we have to warn, you it is very

disturbing to watch. . memphis still reeling after the release of shocking the violent police footage. >> put up your. hands >> showing the brutal beating of 29 year old tyre nichols. at the hands of five former memphis police officers. the alarming escalation, coming as officers yank nichols out of his car, guns drawn. >> i don't do. anything >> we do not see what proceeds the traffic stop. which police initially said was for reckless driving. >> all right, i'm on the ground. >> as a force into the ground, nichols appears to comply with the orders. >> now. >> i didn't do anything. >> get down. >> visibly confused, he eludes a taser and runs. then, roughly eight and eight minute pursue before police body cam rachel nichols chilling it capture. >> in a heart wrenching moment, he calls for his mom who's only three houses away. >> mom. >> screaming for help, as police appear to douse his face and pepper spray, again, and

again. >> nichols mother, rowvaughn, beyond devastated. >> my heart just breaks. for a mother to know that their child was calling them in their need and i wasn't there for you. do you know how i feel right now? because i wasn't there from my son. >> families everywhere force to reckon with this human in humanity. a poll camera with that audio shows the men, all african-american officers, in a specialized unit called scorpion pinning down a now rather nichols. then, squaring up to drop kick him on the ground multiple times. moments later, another officer, wielding a baton lashes of the hundred and 40-pound man. as they stand him up, nichols looking incapacitated. they throw haymakers to his face. from the time we see the group rest nichols against a patrol par, two medical helping

administered, more than 20 minutes of yours two laps. all five officers were fired within days. then charged with second degree murder less than three weeks later. with the attorneys for two officers saying, they plan on pleading not guilty. benjamin crump, calling the swift action a template for other cities. >> we now have the blueprint, america, and we won't accept less going forward in the future. >> with largely peaceful protests unfolding in memphis, new york, d.c., and boston, among other places. >> we want justice for all our people, >> a wounded nation now confronting how a man who loved photography, sunsets, and his mother deeply, could be stolen away from his family. >> and, the network of those facing potential disappointment is just continuing to widen, alex. we learned overnight from the shelby county sheriff the two of his deputies have been relieved of duty pending an investigation. it is not clear what their role was, but it does not to the list now.

you have five police officers has obviously been fired. to fight about personnel, as. well one other point to make, alex, there was a six responding officer initially from the scorpion unit, from memphis police department. we have parts of his body camera. and you actually hear as you say with the abandoned car, him saying something to the effect of, i hope they stop him. and that perhaps is emblematic of this toxic culture we talk about right now, that desperately needs to be reformed. alex? >> i am glad you put that in perspective, sam. i didn't know from which officer that quote came. it did appear that that is exactly, i hope they stop him. now we. no thank you sam, for. that let's go from there to antonia hilton with the latest on community reaction. such troubling times in memphis today, antonia. what is it like? >> that is exactly right. it is troubling, it is tense. here on the days leading up to last night's release, people were imagining that the city was going to burn. they were trying to warn against violence.

and, when i've talked to actual residents, actual leaders here. they had faith in the city of memphis. and they had a lot of respect for the grief that they knew all the other people already going through. and that would absolutely be going through once they had to deal with the images we have now seen. and that is what we saw last night. i saw the protesters on the bridge. they were huddled around each other, supporting each, other talking. often they were incredibly quiet. trying to at times, watch some of the video. they've decided not watch it and face what has happened here. but, a lot of the attention right now this morning is turning towards the calls for accountability potentially for other officers. people who were on the scene, you mentioned that we heard about the laps in time there before anyone rendered aid. there's a lot of discussion about that here on the ground. and then, in the scorpion unit this unit that is supposed to be an elite group of officers who aren't supposed to be doing small time the cops stuff like traffic violations, they are supposed to be focused on major crime reduction strategies

targeting people who are doing it carjackings, niger gang violence. that's the kind of work that's being done in memphis but also similar units around the country. it has become somewhat of a model. and, in recent years there has been tension attention to these groups. a question on whether or not they have become a hotbed for violence themselves. take a listen to the attorney for the family, family benjamin crump, mentioning that two of the other community members have come forward alleging violence from scorpion officers themselves. >> one of the gentlemen said after four or five days before tyre was attacked on january 7th. he was simply going to get pizza, and all the sudden when he was at a stop sign they come up and they grabbed him by that, cursing at him calling him mf's nba tees. and all the stuff they are saying, and then they say, they put a gun to his head. he called twice to the memphis police department internal

affairs trying to make complaints against these officers and nobody ever called the him back. and we believe, had they called him back, maybe just maybe rowvaughn in rodney sun tyre nichols might be living today. s might be living today. >> those are the questions on the minds of many of the residents that i have spoken through even before i knew about what you heard them talk about their. people were wondering, you know, the pace of this investigation and how quickly the officers and up until city charged with a serious felonies, they were grateful for that. they were grateful for the transparency and for the action. but, they were nervous about what that might represent, how terrible the video would be. what else might be behind this unit, the officers involved. there is still a feeling from virtually every resident that i talked to that there is more to the story, more than they want to understand what these officers history in this

department, about the formation of the scorpion unit, and the culture of policing here in memphis, alex? >> 100%, thank you, antonia, for that. i do want you to stay with us as we bring you to this conversation right now with you. we have come in best, retired seattle police chief now at msnbc law enforcement analyst. as well as paul henderson, veteran prosecutor and trial attorney and executive director of the san francisco department of police accountability. welcome to you both, carmen, the scorpion unit. first of all, did you have anything like this in seattle when you are police chief? if so, what was the role? >> yeah, they had what they called the anti-crime team, they roll was basically when there are issues, really high client issues, human trafficking or drugs and that sort of thing to take a practice stance and invest in those issues. or other things like that. >> okay, so, our understanding is that the scorpion unit was

sent to police a high crime area, typically, what we have reportedly is the charge of a reckless driving, this was a traffic incidents, as you look at this video what is your assessment of what you saw there? let's just begin with when they first pulled over tyre nichols and he is dragged out of that car, does anything about that make sense to you? >> absolutely not, not at all, if it is a traffic stop widely yankee maternity like that? i have no idea. it almost makes you wonder if he was targeted for some reason. i have no idea why. that certainly is not perceived our practice. it is the first demonstration of excessive force for them to pull him out of the car in the matter that they did. it does not make sense. >> okay, paul, how about you? i am sure you have watched the several time. give us your assessment of what you have seen. >> yeah, i mean, i saw so much that was wrong here and, again

it all starts with this top that is a traffic stop, i don't understand how a transition from a traffic stop into this terrible assault that looked like a lynching on the street. the real issue is, how did it escalate so quickly? and in the manner that it did, with that use of force. they have policies in place, the real issues that i see when i watch this video are, what are the policies and did the policies from that department apply to this unit? that is a very important question that we have to answer with things like this, because that this is one of the cities that does have use of force policies that have been updated, more than two thirds of all departments in this nation do not have updated use of force policies. that means that memphis had a policy for de-escalation, that means that memphis had a policy to render aid. and we don't see that here at all when we watch this video. and so, it raises the question of, having the reforms connected to accountability. you have to have both. as i watch this video i am

horrified by seeing how these officers define public safety for this individual. i am horrified by the number of people that participated in this act, actively and passively. i am horrified by seeing another unarmed african american man being insulted by law enforcement in the way that he was assaulted. it is all those things i see at the same time, and none of these things are new. memphis is not unique. we have to approach this problem differently and we have to approach it with the definition that we did for both of them. >> there is something, antonia, that you are mentioned while reporting on this last night, and that was that some of the dialogue eardrum belies officers in the video does not appear to match with what you are seeing playing out. kind of as though they were constructing some sort of a narrative in realtime. give us a bit more about your impressions there, how you interpreted this. >> you would have a completely different experience just listening to this incident than

watching it. and, much of what you hear the officers command or describe does not at all match what you watch actually happening to tyre nichols. to give some examples because i know there are many viewers that are likely not going to feel comfortable watching this video i will try to give you a sense we. and many points you hear them say show me your hands, show me your hands very aggressively, but either his hands are already tied behind his back or his arms are actually being held by officers, making it impossible for him to move his arms to show anybody him's hands. but, if you listen to that audio you would imagine that perhaps he is doing something shifty with his hands in his pockets, and they don't have a firm graft on him. but, in fact, he is being thrown around in the moment like a rag doll by the officers who are very much in control of his body. at the very beginning of the video you hear him repeatedly tell him to get on the ground he is already on the ground.

he is telling them he is on the ground. it is obvious everyone there they are standing over him and he is on the ground. but if you are listing anyone i able to watch the video you would think that he must be moving about aggressively, refusing to get out of the car, standing up, maybe physically imposing or frightening these officers. you can tell in the video, he is 140-pound guy who is already on the ground, the idea that he is posing a threat to the officers in that moment is hard as the viewer to believe. i pointed that out because i think it is important for people to understand, here, the narrative that is being constructed by the officers in audio is very different than the visual evidence. and, often, when reporters cover these stories we first hear officers descriptions of what happened and the stops. we've not gets to the video sometimes for months, or ever. and i think for me it is a

reminder that you really need all of these pieces of evidence because we cannot necessarily trust the audio, the commands that are given to be an accurate, and trying to use diplomatic terms here but an accurate description of what is truly happening to the person in question there, alex. i think that is very important people to keep in mind. >> this is incredibly analysis for which i thank, you antonio, but, carmen i'm curious if you think. this is the kind of thing may have led with such speed to the firing of these five officers, we know the memphis police chief davis. she is having none of it, and she has spoken in ways that suggest that she is personally discussed about this, i'm not going to put words in her mouth as she has said things that are pretty damning of what she has seen. what was just described by antonia, does that make sense to you? our police officers now more acutely aware, we may have body cam video, here, we need to

know this. what are your thoughts? >> yeah, well, i absolutely agree and i am sure the chief davis was well aware that the words were not matching the actions. there was a depiction of an aerial view of what was happening and the words of the officers were saying was not matching the actions that we're seeing on the building, absolutely they reviewed every bit of that video. i am sure they made note of all of that, let alone the horrific assault that took place, but the fact that they were saying things that did not match what they were doing. also, it was the fact that they did not see that there was reckless driving, she did not even see the evidence for having made the stop in the first place. so, all of those things combined, certainly they discussed it all, the share responsibility and took immediate action intermittent when it for their acts. >> this is interesting, in pat cases of police brutality in the city of memphis, those

being accused have been able to look at the video and then describe what happened as they either recall it or seeing it and the like, this time not so much, these defendants, potentially, who are being accused of many charges including second-degree murder, these former police officers have not been able to view the video, give me the psychology behind that, what you think is happening and what they are trying to elicit from them, is it just, tell me what you remember without looking at the video and constructing something. >> that is exactly yet, it is after the incident occurred, for best practices especially as a prosecutor you want people to give their statements, you do not want to show them all of the evidence that they have in front of them before they take a statement for them about what they know happened because they were there. and, certainly, this is always an issue when it comes to a trial, when it comes to collecting or reviewing evidence what people are saying

about what their behaviors were, which is really interesting that it is not just the video that they have on their body cameras, and there is issue there of how they turn those on, but that video that shows independently what was going on around the neighborhood, and independently of the verbal cues that we received from the officers that are legal triggers and our cop action triggers for what they were doing, that is a very important difference because we have to talk about the difference and the distinction between noncompliance and aggressive response, and that is all that played out in the video that we have to analyze and unpack, looking at both the body camera and the independent video that we saw that showed the entire scenario, the ultimate scene where he was killed or beaten before he was hospitalized and brought away, even though that was a real problem as well. all of that is relevant and showing that to a witness changes the outcome of things

before we received a testimony to be evaluated independently both by internal and oversights, prosecutors, everyone else as well. all of this is important. >> as has been this conversation to start off our coverage of this, i want to thank all three of you so much. carbon, paul, antonia, thank you so much. later on today reverend al sharpton will sit down with tyre nichols parents as well as the attorney, the family attorney, that will be on politicsnation today at 5 pm eastern here on msnbc. coming up next, something else, buckle up for this the, paul pelosi attack video is disturbing and shocking, you will want to hear the latest reaction to that. plus, this headline, air general predicts war with china in 2025, it is one of the top earnings doria's this hour and i will speak with a member of congress about this next. ut this next

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the attack of paul pelosi. san francisco police released clips of last october vicious assault which left pelosi with injuries he still suffers from today. we have to warn you this video is graphic. nbc squash scottie schwartz has more. >> drop the hammer. >> it was an attack captured on police body camera, showing the video of when paparazzi was knocked unconscious. >> what is going on, man? >> everything is good. >> hi. >> drop the hammer. >> no. >> hey, hey, hey, hey. >> well! >> according to newly released case evidence chain of events started around 2 am october 20th, security video shows that

then 42 year old david depape break into the pelosi home, minutes later populace he calls 9-1-1 with depape in earshot, currently trying to communicate the intruder was looking for his wife, the speaker of the house, without antagonizing depape. >> he thinks everything is good, adler probably thinks everything is good. >> okay, call us back if you change your mind. >> now, no, no. the gentleman just came into the house and he wants to hear for my wife to come home. >> you know the person is? >> now, i don't know he is, he has been telling me, he is telling me not to do anything. he is salami to put the phone down and just do what he says. okay? >> shortly after pelosi tells the dispatcher depape wants him to get the hell off the phone is disconnected. moments later to officers arrived to find depape and pelosi both putting the hammer, pelosi also holding a glass. pelosi rushed to hospital with a skull fracture while the pap

told investigators he ebro came to interrogate nancy pelosi. >> -- so, i guess, what was your intention to go there? to make or change or ways? >> well, i was going to basically hold him hostage and i was going to talk to her. >> holding hostage? >> and doctor, and is still true that letter goes got free. and she lied i was going to break your kneecaps. >> the release comes after a coalition of press organizations including nbc news was granted by a judge after the objections of both prosecution and defense, on capitol hill nancy pelosi reacted to the release. >> i have absolutely no intention of saying the deadly salt on my husband's life. >> as her husband continues to recover from the attack. >> the pap is now facing both federal and state charges including attempted murder, kidnapping, and elder abuse, he has pleaded not guilty and on

his public defender is doubling down on their opposition to the public release of this evidence, saying it could feed unfounded theories in this case. back to you. >> all right, thank you for that, joining me right now is the connecticut congressman, a democratic member of the house intelligence community and a good friend to, us i'm glad to talk with you at about all of this. first, your reaction to that video and the attack of intending and saying that he would hurt nancy pelosi, this bill alone is chilling. but, what goes through your mind when you watch that? >> yeah, alex, for a member of congress are for any elected official that is sort of the sum of all of our fears, but either we are our spouses, our family would be violently attacked. so, it is just a hideous thing to see, particularly hideous coming with the story you just ran about the realization of a man at the hands of the police. there was a braille terror

attack on israel, and a policy maker and i look at all these things and say what is happening to our society? violence has become so normalized, not that it is just committed, going back to work on monday with a couple of senators and a couple of members of the house of representatives who made light of this and suggested conspiracy theories that maybe there was some sort of gay relationship. all of that together, alex, feels to me like a society in which values have just decayed, in a profoundly horrible way. >> yes, i'm going to say a step further and say those horrible analytics things are just disgusting, fully disgusting. >> people that i work, west did love been elected to be a congress and senate of the united states. who, without thought, when a member of the opposite party nancy pelosi had arguably the most horrible thing, the most horrible thing that could happen to you happen chose to pass conspiracy theories to

make light of this brutal attack. this people were all, as people were decent and didn't have a set of values, apparently we are past that. >> it does feel like an awful lot lately that everyone is having to process, you mentioned the police beating of tyre nichols as you know as growing, police reform, here is the question, if the george floyd policing act had been in place couldn't have been presented? >> well, let me say two things, maybe, maybe, we obviously have work to do so around reorient in policing towards declaration, remember summers emporium some are not, we obviously have work to do.

we need today that work, we should have passed more reforms than we actually did, but to me this also, what you saw in that film the beating of that individual, wasn't legislation or regulation problem? i don't think it was. this was a psychotic orgy of violence. these were guys who were consulting the rulebook about de-escalation, it comes back to what i was trying to say, it has more to do with the culture of that particular department. what they thought they could get away with, to me that says that we should think about that culture but we should also think about who gets hired for these roles. again, all we have to see as a couple of minutes of videos, these people you would think would never be near a deadly weapon, or in a position to use lethal lethal force. and, yet there they are. >> yes, absolutely, and what is so awful is that people like that in those positions gave a bad name to the rest, and cast

suspicion on those who do follow the rules. and do want to police appropriately, it is a hell of a conundrum. >> that is exactly right, it bears saying because here in connecticut we have police officers retiring because what we have seen that occurred in this video, that makes it really hard, for the vast majority of good police officers to do their job, that is a tragedy as well. >> for sure, let me ask you about speaker mccarthy who has certainly carried through on his right efforts to block adam schiff. today you have been a firsthand witness to their efforts, to their capabilities, how do you see this and what are your colleagues on the committee saying are any republicans quietly whispering opposition to that move? >> well, i do not know about that. i do want to say one thing. which is, we have had a number of republicans announced that they will not vote to remove --

from their committee. when i last showed it was three of them, that is not exactly a tidal wave of opposition to kicking -- off the committees. but, it is something. this is something that kevin mccarthy. he said this as part of the overall campaign. to appease his most extreme wing, i was very disappointed to see it, i know adam schiff extremely well and i understand why republicans are angry with adam, he, lead in my opinion, in a very capable faction, an investigation the shield with the president of united states did holding up aid to ukraine, that made them angry. and to appease the right-wing they had to throw out russia on the fire, leonard's or national security. for the two of them they had 20 years of intelligence oversight that is gone now. then x is a less safe country. >> can i ask you very quickly? we have confirmed the two republicans say they will not vote, three is all the better, if they do that does that send

the message to mccarthy this tit-for-tat stuff we are not down with, we are not going to support that, do you think? >> i think so, i think so, it also says that truth matters. they were moved to those communities because they made threats of violence, that is what we were just talking about. you may not like them but there were no threats of violence from either one of those two. >> all right, jim, good to see you, thank you so much, appreciate you. he is not just a name, he is not the victim, coming up next, who tyre nichols really was described by those who knew and loved him the most. for an everyday item to become dangerous. tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging. teeth sensitivity is so common. it immediately feels like somebody's poking directly on the nerve. i recommend sensodyne. sensodyne toothpaste goes inside the tooth and calms the nerve down.

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tragedy was a loving father and the youngest of four children, here is how his family and friends are remembering him this weekend. >> he did not have a negative bone in his body at all, energetic, outgoing, lonnie, goofy, always had a smile on his face. could have gave him the name cheeseburger. >> i know everybody says, every mother says they had a good, son everybody son is good, but my son he actually was a good boy. he had my name tattooed on his arm, and that made me proud because most kids don't put their mom's name. [laughter] but he did. my son was a beautiful soul, and he touched everyone. >> he was a great kid, i want

everyone to know there's nothing wrong with being yourself, tyre brought something out of me to make me feel like, hey, you do not have to do it, you can be yourself. you can do skateboarding, ice hockey, you can do whatever you want to do and people will still of you. >> it was the kind of guy where you would come in the door, you could not walk past him without getting a hug, he was going to make sure that if you did get past him you're gonna come back and give him a hug. he is that kind of person. everybody adored him. >> all i know is my son was a great, great kid. he did not deserve what he got. now, what he deserves is justice. [applause] >> that was heartbreaking to listen to, meantime, and outrage president biden spoke with the family and is joining their calls for justice, the president watched the video he called horrific and says he will push congress to pass

police reform, let's go to nbc's allie raffa who is joining us from the white house. ali, welcome. what kind of place reform is the president touting it? >> yeah, alex, president biden has been calling for nationwide police reform since he was a 2020 presidential candidate. he is one of the countless americans renewing that focus and renewing those calls in the wake of the release of this horrific video, he released the statement last night saying in part, quote, we must do everything in our power to ensure criminal justice system lives up to the promise of fair and impartial justice, equal treatment and dignity from all real and lasting change will only come if we take action to prevent tragedies like this from ever happening again. he has pushed for that action, he has pushed for the passing of the george floyd justice and policing act so many times in the three years that have passed since floyd's death. i want you to take a listen to the story from where he renewed calls the passage last night.

>> i spoke and expressed my condolences, told her that i was going to be making a case to pass the george floyd act to get this under control. i can only do so much with the executive order level. >> remember, that framework actually passed the house of representatives back in 2021, it never made it to the senate floor for a vote after months of bipartisan talks between democrats and republicans, it is still unclear whether this will be enough to renew that acts in a break of this video. >> allie raffa, thank you so much, we have another breaking story to tell you about in jerusalem, our correspondent just arrived there we will give you the details next. tails next adt systems now feature google products like the nest cam with floodlight, with intelligent alerts when a person or familiar face is detected. so you can listen in... sam. and even speak up.

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to share from the middle east, a 13-year-old palestinian opened fire east russell am earlier this morning wounding a father and son, it comes a day after a palestinian gunman killed at least seven people at a synagogue in the city. the deadliest attack on jerusalem in 15 years, violence has escalated in the region after an israeli raid and a west bank refugee camp killed nine palestinians. that happened thursday, joining me now is nbc's kelly cobiella who has just arrived in jerusalem. kelly, welcome, tell me what the situation is on the ground there that you have been able

to observe and with reporting you have researched, and how has the white house responded? >> so, alex, israel has upped its alert level to the highest level today, because of these two shootings, the shooting at the synagogue last night and then again this morning, this shooting involving a 13 year old gunman, palestinian gunmen who apparently opened fire on some israelis earlier today, shooting too. and there is video of that that is captured on camera and you can see him with a gun, the boy with a gun and armed civilians starting to stop him. he was shot and that last one was being treated in hospital undergoing surgery. these two shootings coming after that raid in the west bank on thursday night, which killed nine, nine killed in the raid and then another killed in the occupied west bank. israeli officials say that

nearly 13 year old involved in the shooting this morning, nor the 21-year-old who was killed in that synagogue shooting last night were involved in any militant groups, in fact, nbc news spoke to the father of the 21 year old, he said he was not involved with militants and he was just a regular guy going to work, he had no idea why his son opened fire. there has been a building anger for weeks, months, in this country. because in part of what many consider the hardest line. the most far-right government in israel's history. they have allowed to craft down hard on palestinian violence, and, in fact, it has been a very, very violent and deadly period for palestinians in the occupied territories, just since january of this year more than 30 killed in occupied west bank and jerusalem. that includes five children.

today vice president harris did speak to the israeli president, she said she offered her condolences. but also vowed to stand behind israel when it came to its security. alex? >> okay, kelly, thank you for bringing us the latest in jerusalem, meantime, for all of you a gut check on one just unfolded in memphis in the past 24 hours. 24 hrsou with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security. giving you more control of your business. we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on. ♪ what will you do? ♪ what will you change?

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breaking news and the new fallout today as the country reacts to the nearly released video of police officers beating tyre nichols, fine now former police officers have been charged after that meeting ultimately resulted in tyre nichols death, the 29 year old at the center of this storm jay was a loving father, the youngest of four children, and joining me now is former democratic congresswoman katie hill of california as well as tara setmayer, senior adviser for the lincoln project, resident scholar at uva and

form former gop congressional communications director, big welcome to you both, we are going to go into getting your gut reaction for all of this, i am curious, katie, you first, is this a specific problem? is it a cultural issue? i am recalling what jim himes, your former colleague said to me just earlier this hour. which was, when we talk about the policing act. the george floyd policing act and the potential of that having stopped something like this happening. he said, look, that is something where sure there is policy in place but these particular five look to be completely out of control. you have to wonder if that was more of a cultural thing. whatever it was, an indoctrination of sorts that made them think they can get away with that kind of behavior, give me your gut check on all this. >> yes, first of all i come from a law enforcement family, my dad is a retired police officer and i feel like i have

kind of a unique perspective, not unique but a different perspective on this because of it, i do think it is cultural, i think some departments have allowed a treatment of potential suspects or individuals on the street as already criminals. who need to be taken into submission. right? and, i think that is something we really need to have aggressive local action to be able to change the culture of police departments. >> okay, tara, what about you? you reaction to what you have seen, how you've interpreted the actions on officials before they even released this video, what did you know and hear about their actions before yesterday? >> so, i am also part of a law enforcement family. i am the granddaughter of a 40 year police captain and i am married to a federal law enforcement officer who has been on the job for over 22

years. and, it is a different perspective, i meant spent many years analyzing other police cases with police brutality that we're not quite as cut and dry as this one, sometimes these situations can be a little bit more multi layered and complicated than others when it comes to use of force. this case is different, as my husband and i watched this case together my husband's african americans so, as a black law enforcement officer is even more unique perspective, he looked at that and just said where is their professionalism and the training, that is something that is the antithesis of what you are trained to do. where is the de-escalation? where is their sergeant, he was horrified watching that, and you oftentimes hear people say that no one hates a bad cop more than a good cop which is true, but, what we are seeing now in an instant like this that does not have the racial undertones of some of the other ones, it is a problem with culture within certain police

departments, and where they are focusing their training, and where they are focusing their culture, and the lack of supervisors and sergeants where this is a problem with hiring. i applaud the memphis police department for getting this out quickly, this is something that was different than some other cases in the past, they were very open and upfront about what took place, there was a certain amount of transparency, having a black female police chief also not having it and saying that she was able to fire them more quickly than some other police departments. brian had a police departments was set up, how you can fire officers, all of those things i think prepared, where you can't be re-prepared for something like this but it prepared the public and people to understand what we were about to see. and so just as an action on this issue i think is important about the conversations about where we can change and reform police versus defunding.

i hope we do not get into that political discussion again because it is not about funding it is about trading, culture, and where you put those resources for better policing in these communities. >> all of that extremely while said, i want to ask the next question of both of you, how baskin people express their outrage when it comes to protesting? it did not work enough post george floyd to even get the george florida policing far act fast, how might something change, realistically speaking. katie, you first, you know the inner workings of capitol hill, do you think in today's damage the chatter of what is going on in capitol hill, something can get past, and if so, how? >> jimmy perfectly honest i think what they split congress the way that it is around the circus that is going on under mccarthy's leadership or lack thereof on the republican side, i do not see anything happening anytime soon. i do, however, think it is a lot of us to continue that

pressure, i'm a big believer in pushing your local governments are not often those impacts can have greater impact then trying to do things on the federal level, even though we need to continue to push on the federal level as well. it is up to all of us to show up at the polls, it is up to all of us to protest as peacefully but also as loudly as possible. it has to be an ongoing fight, we cannot let up the pressure. >> i think that is extraordinary that tyrese mom has said protest jasper please do so peacefully, we talk about columns amin are in the wake of what she has had to go through. tara, i'm going to give you the last word on this. >> yes, i think there are other police reforms that have been in the works for years, as far as community policing, encouraging people to citizen review boards, one people have an investment in their community policing is a local issue. the feds can only do so much and we already have federal laws about civil rights.

violating the civil rights under the color of law. we have those books, but it is very important for community investments and is also important for making sure that bat officers who fought do not migrate to another. my good friend out in california, former fbi agent and professor out there, he has worked on something called the louis registry, which is a registry, the first of its kind of a national registry of police misconduct. so that other agencies can talk to each other and look into this registry and find out, was this a form of conduct they had on their record? >> these are incremental changes along with training, another quick example out tonight and new haven, they would send recruits to community police during the academy, so, they would become familiar with before they were

on the job. that is decreased police brutality and conduct cases dramatically and been used as a template for other economies so there is more investment already between the police officer and their community before they are even on the beach. i think this is all local changes that is happening in law enforcement and it is unfortunate this type of tragedy has to shine a spotlight on the bad. but, there is also some proper good as well. >> i am really glad you tell us about that, lots of hope that many very effective in the future. katie, tara, thank you very great conversation with you both. meantime, peaceful protest is unfolding, live pictures of demonstrations of the death of tyre nichols. nichols (phil) fifteen years ago, subaru created the share the love event as a way to help those who need it most. (kathryn) now, after this year's event, subaru and our retailers are proud to have donated over two hundred and fifty million dollars to charity. (brent) just tremendously satisfying to know that we're doing something

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