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watching simone. we are following breaking developments on the tyre nichols story. reaction and condemnation are pouring in. just last night's release of the disturbing and dramatic video showing the brutal beating of police officers who led to his death. in memphis and in cities across the country, there were gatherings honoring tyre nichols. he was a 29 year old son, a brother, a father. and those gatherings are protesting his killing which should have never happened. we are unpacking the painful truth in this video. we are going to answer questions about the officers charged with murder. and how to answer the culture in america so that we stop repeating this tragedy over and over again. i am someone and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪

by now you may have seen the video of memphis police officers beating tyre nichols. an assault that started with a traffic stop and ultimately caused his death. you may still be processing the brutality, the inhumanity, the reality of what you saw in that video. i know i am. and there is still a lot to unpack here. the city of memphis and people in every corner of america are in grief. they are in shock over the video that was released last night of five former memphis police officers viciously and senselessly beating a 29 year old tyre nichols. people all over the country have taken to the streets to exercise their right to protest after seeing body cam video showing him being beaten, kicked, and pepper sprayed. i did not want to show you the video again because of the trauma that i feel like it triggers. but after thought, after speaking to my husband, i decided that these heinous acts need to be shown. because it is very important

for people to see the egregious behavior of those who are sworn to protect and serve and did everything but. but first i would like to play what happened when kyrie was pulled over. now officer said that it was for reckless driving. the memphis police chief says that they found no evidence to support that claim. in the video you are going to see officers dragging a very confused tyre nichols out of his car. i want to warn you that what we are showing you will be graphic, it will be violent, it is the most disturbing. here is a body cam video of the first encounter. >> get on the floor. get on the floor. >> i didn't do anything. >> all right, all right, all right. >> don't do that, okay? >> get on the [bleep] ground. i will tase you [bleep]. >> i'm on the ground -- i'm on the ground.

>> lay down, lay down. >> i will [bleep] taser. get on the ground, right now. >> okay, all right, okay. okay, dude! >> put your hands behind your back. i will not hear [bleep] the [bleep] out. >> i'm just trying to go home! >> in case you missed it he said i am just trying to go home. after police tased, used a taser on tyre nichols, he gets up and tyre runs away. the police chiefs chase and eventually they catch him. i will show you what happens when the officer catch him. but first i want to tell you about the person at the center of all of this. i want to talk about tyre nichols. he was a father, here he is with his child when the boy was a newborn. he was a son, a son who still lives with his mom and stepdad where the family gathered.

he had his mom's name tattooed on his arm. he was also a california native who loves sunsets and writing his skateboard. a friend to, many last night his mom described her grief after seeing the video. >> i loved him to death. and so this is very difficult for me. this should not have happened. this just shouldn't have happened. and we want justice for my son. justice for my son. no mother, no mother, no mother should go through what i am going through right now. >> i am not going to show you what happened when kyrie was caught after running away. this video is from a security camera that was perched above the scene. there is no sound on it but you will see what this group of five men did two tyre. this is just a few yards from his home. once again, a warning that this

is a graphic and disturbing video. as for the officers that you just saw who carried out that heinous attack, that brutal beating, all five of those officers were fired on january 20th. they were taken into custody on thursday and all of them were released on friday after posting bill.

the officers face charges of second degree murder, assault, kidnapping, misconduct, and oppression. two additional deputies were suspended after the sheriff saw their behavior on the tape. the sheriff's office is investigating. i am joined now by nbc news correspondent antonia hylton covering the story from memphis. civil rights attorney, charles coleman, a former prosecutor, and msnbc legal analyst. also the host of the charles coleman podcast. and my good friend, reverend al sharpton. the host of msnbc's politicsnation who speaking to us today as the founder and president of the national action network. he will be giving the eulogy for tyre in his memorial service this upcoming week. antonia, i will start with you because you have been in memphis for a couple of days. i have been watching you. you have had some very harrowing conversations with folks all throughout this week. what are you hearing from people on the streets today. this is almost 24 hours after the release of the video. >> people are actually just

starting to gather not far from where i am right now. activists, clergy members, local community who are coming out and showing their support, many of whom attended protests here in memphis last night. but i can tell you what i have seen is that this is a community that is in shell shock. and grief. and they are angry, but they are not angry in the way that i think a lot of people imagined or even stereotyped this city to be in the days leading up to the release of this video. we did not see any violence, no destruction, and the community was really focused last night, and throughout the morning today on tyre's life. on honoring his family. and i think that while people are grateful that the investigation moved so quickly, that the chief of police has been accessible to the community, accessible to the media, they have been out front answering questions, to the extent that they can. that has also raised a whole host of questions for this

community about why things have not been manage this way in the past. and of this is going to be a new standard that they can expect going forward, or eventually things will slide back to the way that residents feel like they have been for a very long time. so the emotions here are really complicated. and, you know, i think that people are trying in these early days leading up to his funeral to stay focused on him and make sure that people know all of the details you just shared about the light and the love that kyrie tried to bring to the world. but that anger, at the fact that his life was cut short is going to bubble over, i think, into sustained calls for reform. and really close examination of what this police department is about to do, and what these five officers maybe represent. and most of the conversations that i have had, frankly, a sense that people don't think that this kind of behavior is likely limited to just those five. they want to know more, and they think that there are other people who need to be held accountable, simone. >> i am wondering if you can

respond to something that antonio noted in there about how the protests were largely peaceful, and that there was no violence, and that folks are really asking questions about the police department and what this means. you've been in contact with kyrie's family. you will be speaking with them in the next hour. the idea that there would be violence. the community, first of all, never said that there would be violence. but the violence was on the videos that we just played. >> absolutely. i think that what antonia said was correc violence, well, there was violence or we would not be having a funeral next violence came from law enforcement, as you just played part of that tape, simone, you are watching a young man, 39 years old, 140 pounds, being beaten, picked up off the ground, and hit again several times by law enforcement against a crime that the police chief said that they cannot even find on any of the

videotapes. and we are talking about will there be violence? the question is what are we going to do about the violence that he was subjected to that led to his death. and when i think of how we went through situations from eric garner, to michael brown in ferguson, and to george floyd, and i did all of those eulogies, and helped organize a lot of those. a lot of people are saying here we go again. what i am saying is we never answered legislatively to change the laws on policing. we had the opportunity. we came very close to passing the george floyd justice and policing act which would have dealt with qualified immunity, which may have been something that these officers had to consider before they went through such a brutal, and murderous escapade on this innocent young man. >> charles, you are a former prosecutor. and i am wondering when you saw

the video initially, what was your reaction, and if we could also just address the police report here. because what the memphis police department said happened, and the police report that they wrote down that they pulled them over, there was a confrontation, and then tyre nichols ran, and they caught him, there was another confrontation, and then as they were arresting him they complained about not being able to breathe. that is what they posted on their twitter account. that is what the report said. the video that we saw, it debunks and the first two minutes what was in that police report. >> simone, the discrepancy that you just highlighted is exactly what i noticed when i watched the video. i talked last night on the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle about the fact that when i watch the video, the thing that came out to me the most was the idea that as the video went on and things began to die down after they had literally beaten tyre nichols to a pulp, you begin to hear the officers say things like he reached for my gun, you

begin to hear the officers articulate things, questioning whether he was somehow on some substance at the time. i firmly believe that much of what was being done was to create a record, and establish some sort of line between their actions and reasonable doubt. because they began to realize what they had done, and they needed a way out. so that is why you saw those things articulated on the video. especially the ones with audio. where he says for example, he reached for my gun. everyone knows that when you are talking about a police officer's use of force, those things are the golden ticket. those are the golden words that people will use to try to justify it lethal force or extensive force being taken against a suspect. so -- >> i want to play that sound that you just talked about, because there were folks who might not have seen or heard this. i want to warn folks again of the video that you are about to see, it is graphic and disturbing. >> i see, i see --

>> my leg -- [laughter] >> he is high. he is high as -- sit down, bro. so, down. >> the physical manifestation of what you just described, charles. >> absolutely. i also think that one of the things that is telling us to why we have the charges on the document that we have already in terms of this indictment. if you listen to the officers, you would think that they just finished a football game. you would think that they just finished some sort of personal wrestling match in terms of how they got out of this but for the use of language around he reached for my gun, my leg, i think that the fact that these officers were in this space, they acted the way that they

did, and that they failed to administer first aid to tyre nichols after exacting the level of brutality on him is exactly why you see the charges on the indictment that we have seen so far. and simone, i fully expect that you may see additional upgraded charges. >> charles, you, antonio, and rev, i will ask you all to stick around because we still have more to talk about. there are more questions. we will come back to you all on the other side. coming up next, we have seen efforts of police reform that reverend sharpton talked about since george floyd's death in 2020. but we are still seeing disturbing trends in police violence. tyre nichols was killed, post george floyd. we will dig into that ahead. but first, my colleague richard louis is here with the other top stories. good to see you, my friend. >> good to see you, as well. some of the other stories we are watching during this hour, in jerusalem, israeli police today reported that two people were hurt when a gunman opened fire in east jerusalem. that shooting comes one day

after the deadliest attack in the city since 2008. that killed seven people near a synagogue. and ukraine, russian attacks have intensified after western allies promised to provide ukraine with tanks. you are looking at the aftermath of one of those new attacks here on your screen as ukraine continues to battle troops in the east and northeast and new rounds of artillery bombardments. this afternoon, former president trump wrapped up his first of two campaigns, today and early voting state, the former president gave a keynote address in new hampshire before making his way to south carolina where he's holding an event with senator lindsey graham, and governor henry mcmaster later this hour. more simone, right after this break. break. ♪ this feels so right... ♪ adt systems now feature google products like the nest cam with floodlight, with intelligent alerts when a person or familiar face is detected. sam. sophie's not here tonight. so you have a home with no worries. brought to you by adt.

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on the very disturbing video released by the memphis police department showing these five former police officers beating 29 year old tyre nichols during a traffic stop. they have no all been charged with second degree murder. i have shown you the video ones and frankly i do not think that there is a need to show those graphic scenes again. my guests are back with me. the reverend al sharpton, and civil rights attorney charles coleman. so, we were talking about the memphis police department, and the majority of the memphis police department is black. about 58%, the chief is also black. -- who tracks police violence and police involved shootings, who started the project when he was

with the washington post, he tweeted me this. he said while i get that it seems narrative leasing the thickened that the officers are black statistically, it isn't surprising and tracking police violence. we never found that race of the officer mean much different. reverend sharpton, can you just expand on the point that he's making their. does that track with your experience and all of these years doing this work? >> absolutely. i can remember cases from new york to california where black officers were involved. sean bell comes to mind in new york. the real question is, if you look at the data, and wes lowery has done a good job as he collected that, black officers and white officers shoot blacks more than they shoot whites. i would argue that i would suspect these five black officers probably would not have behaved the same way if there had been eight white, because they would have assumed that there would be some accountability there. i think the fact that black officers behave in this way is

even more agree just when you think of how we had to fight to get blacks on the force and we thought putting them on the force, they would acclimate the force towards fairness and justice, not pick up the brutal behavior that some, not, all but some demonstrate on the force. when you see, or when you raise a point about what they said after the beating, and trying to set a premise for their defense, while they were beating him they were constructing that, saying put your hands behind your back. when they got his arms up, they were in control of his hands. they were, as they were doing this, building their defense, which means it was premeditated. >> antonia, these officers we know nowhere part of what is called the scorpion unit in the memphis police department. these former police officers. can you just briefly explain what that unit is and its connection to the broader police department? >> yeah, it is an important part of this story, simone.

they were members of the scorpion unit which is supposed to be an elite squad, essentially a task force of officers, and this is a model that is used in many cities. i covered one in baltimore for a long time in my career. and what you see is departments handpicked officers who are supposed to have stellar records and they are selected to do major crime fighting efforts. they are supposed to be going after the big guys. they are going after gangs, trying to remove guns off of the street, struggles, drug trafficking's. these are not officers who are supposed to be responsible for what is considered small time stuff like traffic stops. which is why you hear so many people in the community raising questions about why these five officers in this specialized unit would be involved in this with tyre nichols in the first place. >> and unmarked vehicles. i have about 30 seconds, but -- >> in your mind, what can be done to change police culture.

>> well, culture change occurs at the top of the leadership and is maintained for accountability. reverend sharpton talked about the fact that on a level of policy he came very close to passing the george floyd and police act that passed in the house and in the senate. tim scott and others were content to let that legislation die. that is the type of accountability, the removal of qualified immunity for officers like this who participated in bad acts and do not face consequences. those are all of the things that we need to have a culture shift in police in america. not only that, but also a move to a public safety model, rather than a crime prevention model. because the crime prevention model simply is broken, and it is not working. >> we are going to talk more about the culture of policing throughout the show. charles coleman, thank you. reverend sharpton, thank you. thank you all so much. and you all are going to want to watch politics nation today.

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nichols, some members of congress are now calling for new legislation on police reform. but let's just look at where we are. 25 days until the congress, and house republicans have came to the most extremist members of their party. they have appointed them to prominent committees, they have allowed them to bring their legislation to the floor. and defending even their most unhinged. so how exactly are democrats going to cut through the noise when they are in the minority? joining me now to answer, that critical question is democratic congressman robert garcia of california. welcome to you, sir. i want to start where i ended with the panel. the memphis police chief compared the video of officers beating tyre nichols to the 1991 beating of rodney king. that beating of rodney king occurred not too far from your

district. what is your response? >> of course i think that is right. i think that anyone who has seen the video, it is just terrific, and i understand those who do not want to watch it. it is something that is hard to see but also some of us, particularly those who are policy makers, i think it is important to see. there is no question that what happened, it is shameful. we should all be appalled, we should understand that this is an act of anti-blackness. we should understand that they should not be happening in this country. it happens over and over again. and certainly as a member of congress it is not lost on me that we had an opportunity to actually address, we have an opportunity to actually address these horrific actions by passing the george floyd policing act. so we have done nothing. and it is heartbreaking for the nichols family. my heart goes out to the nichols family. but we shouldn't just feel this sadness, we should also feel anger, we should be upset that this continues to happen. particularly to black men in

this country. >> congressman, what is congress going to do then. i think the george floyd justice and policing act absolutely is a potential answer to this question. but do you see a path forward in this congress for that bill? >> i wish i could say that i did but we know that republicans, particularly kevin mccarthy have no interest and actually doing anything that moves this country forward. the police has been blocked by republicans, particularly if you look at the senate and what is happening there. it is shameful, and this is a bill that should be brought to the floor immediately. it is not going to solve every issue in this country but it is going to do a lot to move this issue forward, it is going to do a lot of tie federal funding to reforms. so the policing act is an incredibly important first step. but we know that is not enough. we have to recognize, and continue to talk about the fact that we have senate races that are in our institution. it is embedded not just in our policing institution, it is embedded in our education systems. it is embedded of health care

and we have to publicly talk about it more. we know that republicans are going to use this congress to actually attack people, to move civil rights back. we know that kevin mccarthy's stripping away, even basic committees and basic conversations around basic civil rights protection in this country. so -- >> let's talk about this congress and some of the -- in the 117th congress, we saw gun reform, right? a piece of gun reform as many activists noted, a first step when you think of california, your home state, there has been a wave of mass shootings recently. we have covered them here on this program. are there any additional gun safety measures that could have a viable path forward in the house understanding that there are still more work to be done, and then you invoked the oversight committee and we are going to get to that momentarily? >> i wish there was. the truth is that we have, now speaker kevin mccarthy who has zero interest. he's given the keys to the

congress to folks like marjorie taylor greene, and lauren boebert, and matt gates. for extreme radicals of this country. so -- >> congressman garcia, i don't mean to interrupt, you but i have a question because if that is -- everything you are saying is absolutely true. but democrats are still serving the minority. what is your tragedy to get something done on this. are you pushing? is there going to be a press conference, are you going to try to force something on to the floor? because i do think that people across the country would like to see congress move in some, way, shape, or form. whether it is on gun reform or criminal justice reform. >> i think you are actually going to see both, i think you are going to see democratic bills, and the majority of conversations happening this weekend around additional gun reform measures, and civil rights measures, around additional police reform measures, including uplifting the george floyd policing act. you are also going to see additional actions by the administration. president biden i think has the ability to still do additional

executive actions. these are all things that democrats are going to have to do and we are going to have to fight every single time these horrible bills come in front of the congress, we are going to have to fight those bills as much as we can whether it is on the oversight committee, whether it is on a variety of committees or on the floor to push as much as possible. but we have to also stay focused. we are not going to be able to actually pass it until we win back the majority in two years. that's actually an important part of the conversation. >> congressman garcia, you sound like a fighter to me, and this is probably why you are one of the democrats that was appointed to the oversight committee. congressman robert garcia, glad to have you back to talk about that first hearing that is coming up from oversight on covid. we appreciate your time. >> absolutely, thank you. >> thank you. next, we invoked it with a congressman, we are going to talk about police reform. there are changes that still need to happen. we are going to talk about the potential obstacles to that change. and we will be breaking it down with my political panel right after this break. after this break l tax refund of up to $26,000 per employee. all it takes is eight minutes to get started.

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news. we discussed the scorpion union at the top of the show that the five police officers, or former officers who are charged with murder after beating tyre nichols after a traffic stop, the memphis police department just announced that they are the activating the scorpion unit and that the officers will be reassigned. they say that the decision came after listening to tyre nichols family and the community. calls to reform america's policing system at large, they have exploded in recent years. memphis itself, where tyre nichols died, was killed, past reforms in the wake of george floyd's murder in the summer of 2020. but even as a cities band chokeholds, and even as a implemented biden, and discourage shooting, you might expect the number of officer involved deaths to drop. but in the reality, the number of deaths at the national level have stayed more or less the

same. that is according to the nonprofit research group, mapping police violence. they don't like that that was just on your screen is leading some members of congress to call for a reimagining of what the word reform means. that new york congresswoman, alexandria castle cortez, tweeted billions of trainings, body cams, and reforms have not stopped it. it has gotten worse. we must roll out of the cycle together. florida congressman, maxwell fox tweeted the change required to build an equitable system will require more than training and body cameras. they bludgeoned him to death while the cameras were on. a political panel joins me now. kadia, a political reporter, and a former deputy assistant to president biden. and an msnbc contributor and editor at large for the bulwark. first i want to hear from each of you. did you watch the video, and if so, what was your reaction to it? >> sure, well there's no

question that it is very challenging to watch that video. as a mother myself, you know, i think that it is important to talk about him and the context of what he was. he was a beloved son, he was an employee at a company, he had a bright future ahead of him. so i think for all of those reasons it is important to build some context around the young man that we are talking about. when we talk about the reforms that we need to see happening, i think that this is a federal state solution. we have the city of memphis suspends 40% of its budget on police saying. and it is right that the people are asking what is this money being spent on? and so, i think that in the context of all of this, we have to ask ourselves, yes, congress needs the will to act, and certainly that is going to be a challenge moving forward. but it also has to be part of the federal state solution as

well. >> if you could also weigh in on the congressional piece of this, you were on the hill every day. i can absolutely expect that this will be one of the main topics of conversation when the house is back in session this week. >> i think it is going to be interesting how a republican -led house addresses, or if they address any of these issues. i mean, let's talk about george floyd, where it passed the house last, year but didn't get to the senate. there is going to be a lot of conversation about, as you, heard the former member of congress that there were talks this weekend about, you know, a new version of this. well, they just lost one of their biggest champions, karen bass who is now mayor in california. i do not see where this actually can be an option. we saw a very, you know, melted down version of george floyd's,

the george floyd bill that passed congress. and that is some of the criticisms that you hear. they are mainly saying that this was something for, you know, training for police officers, and that is not going to work. >> all right. i am interested, when did you watch the video, and we all, we have always had these conversations. unfortunately, we continue to see these videos. but this is the first viral video post george floyd. and in watching what was 54 minutes of footage in total, this to me, what i saw on that video was gut-wrenching, and i think worse than what i saw on the george floyd video. it was terrible. but if the video of george floyd's death impacted the world in the way that it did, one could argue, with this video be the same? i'm talking about for democrats, republicans, independents, just people. >> you would hope so, you use

the phrase that i was going to use. it was gonna retching to watch this. this young man calling for his mother while he is being savagely beaten and murdered by five memphis police officers. this shocked the conscience of the entire country. this ought to make people angry. people ought to be outraged about this. i do think that it is time to move past the vague rhetoric that we often hear. congress is not going to do anything about it. so it will be up to the local police department, state legislators, and the justice department, because clearly you have a cultural problem in american police departments. and it is a culture that nurtures and perhaps tolerates brutality. it creates that environment where these men just felt that they had the right, and the green light to savagely beat this young man. so obviously you have a problem with recruitment, a problem with training, but the real problem is with accountability. and the cameras have not solved the problem. so we need to change the laws

about the police officers liability in these cases. the justice department i think can be very aggressive in protecting civil rights, and going to federal court to go back to getting consent decrees for the running of this police department. but this is one where i do not think that you can wait for the next election. i don't think that we ought to put all of our eggs in the basket of congressional action, because that is not going to happen in the next two years. but it is an urgent problem and i think that we have an intelligent discussion across the political spectrum because when you watch that, there is no defense. there is no rationalization. this is one that offends us at the deepest level of humanity. so this ought to transcend politics. whether it will? i don't know because as you point out we have been here before, we have done this, and we see how the polarization about this issue tends to dominate all discussions. >> i want to put on the screen republican senator tim scott of

south carolina. he put out a statement to the point about how it should be universal. it says we have been here too many times before. we cannot continue down this path. this was a man beaten by the power of the state. we must unite against this blatant disregard for human life, especially for those that we trust, and with immense power and responsibility. you know, you are a deputy assistant to the president, you are also the domestic policy adviser to vice president harris, you served as a former prosecutor. we were both at the white house together when these negotiations were going on for the george floyd justice act. tim scott was right there in the middle of those investigations. so i frankly find the statement laughable. but to charlie's point about bigger than congress, what law enforcement, what should happen in terms of what enforcement policies, talk to us a little bit about that. because there is something that can be done outside of legislation. >> yes, there is no question

that there was definitely areas where certainly, as charlie pointed up with the department of justice, there's also state laws that can, state legislators can come together, you know, one of the key things that george floyd act was considering was implicit bias training. which is important just because we may have biases against different types of people that we don't realize. there was many key parts of the legislation, including excessive use of force and areas around qualified immunity, which is really the standard for whether a police officer should be considered the same as people in other occupations when they essentially have a version of immunity around them right now, and making sure that we question whether that is the right approach in these cases of excessive use of force. so, there is a number of things

that really do need to be hammered out. it is, as you pointed out, spending this amount of time not just in the white house but as you know, on the campaign trail, years before that, there are many conversations as people pointed out with many democratic members of congress looking to find a way forward. and it will be hard to see how that happens, how we get to 218 votes in the house, and 60 votes in the senate. >> i believe kadia when she says that she is the expert on congress right here on the panel. she doesn't see it, i will know that we beat up a lot on merrick garland's justice department, particularly with the special counsels. but the justice department should be commended for the work that they have done on pattern and practice investigations, and holding police departments accountable across the country. we are going to have to leave it there, folks. thank you all very much for your time and your insights, i appreciate you. after the break, how lasting change happens. we are going to get into the

social activism here, and important it is, and that is all when we come back. e come back.

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pictures of a protest in memphis, tennessee. this protest comes almost 24 hours after the release of video showing police beating tyre nichols. this is the second protest since the video came out last night. you know, police violence against black americans is not some intermittent phenomenon. it has actually been a constant in our history, and it is the activist, folks who saw in that video who scoop of the embers of momentary aberration work to harness them into infernos that can create lasting change. joining me now is one of those activists, he is cofounder of the campaign zero, and host of the save the people podcast.

i am very glad that you were able to join us today. let's talk police budgets and police policies, because the important thing is that they are largely set in local jurisdictions, so the whole conversation that i had with the political panel about what congress can do, we have to understand that there is a limit to congress's ability to create change here locally. so what does a coordinated effort to secure reforms look like at the local level? >> yeah, you are absolutely right, we have 18,000 police departments, the federal government can do two main things. the first is that the government funds almost all the major police departments in the country. so they can condition funding on changes. and that is essentially what the george floyd act would do in substantive ways. they cannot make the states and cities do anything, really. the second thing the federal government can do is it can remodel things and the big agencies at the federal level. so almost of the police departments are local, border patrol is --

the biden administration did tighten up the no knock trade rules. and that could be a model that states and cities can implement. but most of what is going to matter is actually the local level. tennessee attempted to weaken the police, or rain in the power of the police in 2021, and they rode it lukewarm veil. we -- what they did do is require when officers see excessive force they need to intervene. that law is one of the things that helped the memphis police department fire these five officers as quick as they did. but it is not enough. there are a lot more things that can be done. and they need to be done in moments like this. >> according to memphis government website, the policies that are outlined in the it can't wait police reform initiative that you helped create, they are all actually a part of this current policy. is that true? because that is what the website says. >> it is not true because if you go to the website, you can see the analysis of their policy. and we actually map all of the

killings by police, and mapping police violence dot org. but when you look at it it is like they have not banned chokehold -- what they did was banned chokehold but there is another kind of restrain called a stranglehold, and memphis will not banned that. in terms of requiring de-escalation, the required training on the escalation, they don't actually require the escalation. they don't require warning before deadly forces are being used. they don't require, the police have to report every time they point they're gonna people. they do not ban shooting moving vehicles. >> it seems like there is a lot more that they could have done. >> yes, i look at the website and i am like why are you telling people that you did all of these things? you didn't do that. in the state of tennessee, they should actually just, if we think about this as harvard accession, not transformational change, this is to save peoples lives in the moment. but you know, 40% of the budget, we should reallocate those funds to community services. we can do a lot more to shift the resources away. remember, only 5% of calls are

actually for violent crimes. most of what people call the police were or not violent. >> you had to come back, because this is something that we are going to stay on. i appreciate you injecting the data into this conversation because it is critical. thank you for being here. and that wraps up this edition of simone. this was difficult. this was emotional. check on everybody. check on your loved ones, a lot of people are not okay. there are folks that may need someone to talk to right now, and i saw that video, i saw my husband, i saw my brother, i saw my uncles. i saw him in a fuse. that is problematic. i'm simone sanders thompson and i will be back here on msnbc at 4 pm eastern tomorrow. politics nation with the great reverend al sharpton picks up things right after this with what i am just positive will be a powerful conversation with the mother and stepfather of tyre nichols and with attorney

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