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death and what actually happened. plus, new polls out show what the american public really think of the house gop majority, spoiler alert, it's not pretty, and american tanks are headed to ukraine and more are on the way from germany. how will this impact this next phase of the war. i will speak to lieutenant colonel -- i am ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ 24 hours ago, officials in meant this released the brutal footage of police beating 29 year old tyre nichols. it's really sparked protests in several cities with thousands coming together to remember the father, photographer and have its key border as well as condemned the actions of police officers involved. those five now former officers have been charged with several crimes, including second degree murder.

lawyers for two of the officers have already indicated they planned to plead not guilty. video of the assault stands in stark contrast to what police originally called a routine traffic stop gone wrong. it's graphic and upsetting, so i will give you a moment to turn away, if you prefer. on january 8th, just one day after the incident occurred and two days before nichols died, the memphis police department released a statement, claiming officers, quote, attempted to make a traffic stop for reckless driving, when a confrontation occurred. but the video tells a much different story, again, i want to warn you, that what you're about to see is graphic. in this newly-released footage, we see no evidence of that reported, reckless driving. the memphis police have also said that they have not been able to substantiate a claim.

as for that confrontation, here, you can see the officers approach nichols car and pulled him from his seat. despite cooperating and getting on the ground as the officers asked, they threatened to tase nichols. but i want to draw to your attention here, to the use of that word and the statement, confrontation. the statement makes repeated reference to the, quote, confrontations. let's see what the video actually shows. here is video captured from a security camera mounted on a poll showing a second interaction with nichols and the police. you can see a couple of officers, five in total, assaulting nichols for several minutes. they kicked him, they punch him, one officer even wields what appears to be a baton. according to records, at least after his death, nichols only weight around 140 pounds. this was not by any measure a confrontation.

this was a violent, brutal assault. the statement goes on to say that after nichols was ultimately apprehended, he complained of having shortness of breath, at which time an ambulance was called to the scene. with that statement fails to mention and what the video shows is that it took over 20 minutes for an ambulance to arrive. during that time, nichols was slumped over on the ground as officers could be heard laughing and recounting the chase. i know these videos are incredibly difficult to watch, that's what this will be the only time over the next two hours of the show that we will show you that footage. as bernice king reminds us today, it should not require yet another video of a black human being being the humanize for anyone to understand that police in this country are accustomed to brutality and that this is an urgent devastating issue in america, but what this footage does show us, something we have seen time and time again when it comes to instances of police violence. glaring differences between law enforcement version of events and the reality that ultimately was released to the public. we saw it with breonna taylor,

we saw it with george floyd, with countless other victims of police violence and now we are seeing it again with tyre nichols. joining me now to discuss this is david henderson, a civil rights attorney and cnbc contributor. it's great to see you again. i hate that it is under the circumstances but nonetheless, we appreciate you making time for us and trying to help us analyze what we find ourselves in yet again. i want to get your reaction to what i just walked through here, what is this glaring in stark differences between what police set initially happened and what emerged in that video that we saw. >> first, ayman, it's great to join you too. i hate that it is always under the circumstances. there are a number of things in that video that i just saw, not the least which is this is some of the most intentional, wrongful conduct that we have seen police officers engage in. not only do they lie, which is customary for these aggressive

units. if you watch docuseries like we own the city, part of what they're trying to do is document the report in a way that justifies their behavior. let's be frank, if this was not on video, all we would go by is their reports, their account would probably be accepted. part of what you see in this instance that makes it different from some of the other agree just cases that we've seen is that even after tyre's salute, no threat whatsoever, the officer still intentionally hurt him. there are times in that video when you actually see them holding him up so they continue punching him, battering him, and then they leave room for 20 minutes, when he really needs immediate medical care. >> i want to go back to that statement you said which is that if we did not have this video, the accounts of these police officers would most likely be accepted, because that scares me to my core to think of how many times we are told from the police something

happen and we had to accept and most likely will accept it. how in the world do we change that culture? how do we change the culture that when a police department says this is what happened that led to a cause of death of someone in their custody in what was supposed to be a routine traffic stop, that our point of departure is not acceptance but skepticism? >> ayman, that's not going to change until we have police reform that forces officers to be held accountable. part of the reason i say this is because as horrific as this event is, it's not the only time we have seen this conduct in recent years. -- in louisiana, five police officers be into death, it took years before we saw any action at all, and none of those cases have actually made their way to trial yet. people being killed in police custody is not uncommon. part of the reason that police do it is because they are very few consequences for them doing it. everyone has been commenting on how swift the reaction is here,

and how strong the reaction is here. it's notable when we're thankful that police officers are actually prosecuting other individuals who commit murder, even when the police officers. but until you get rid of qualified -- and you have a stronger culture to hold these officers accountable from the civil system and criminal system, it will continue because there's no reason for them to stop. >> speaking of holding them accountable, i want to talk about these charges for a moment. they include second degree murder, aggravated assault, acting in concert, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct, official oppression. based on what you've seen on the video, we've learned about this, how did those charges line up with that footage? >> those charges lineup exactly how you see in the video. the one that everyone should

focus on is that second degree murder charge. here's the reason why, we've seen, and you and i have discussed most global instances of officers wrongfully killing black people, most of the time, they get 20 years or less. that second degree murder charge means that these officers are convicted, they're looking at a minimum of 15 years, which is consistent with what we see officers get in other contexts and other case. if they get to the top and of this and seeing rain, 60 years, which they could based on what i see on this video, that's the highest sentence i am aware of for a case that similar to this, which means it sets the benchmark. the only question you had to ask is, why don't we see this happen in other cases, and there's no good answer to the question. >> i wanted to get your reaction to this other moment

in the incident from the newly-released footage, and it shows the officers discussing the incident, watch. >> then he went for my gun to. [inaudible] >> it's important to note here, the footage reviewed by nbc news the national any indication that nichols had reach for any of the officers weapons, and authorities also could not confirmed that claim that was made in that footage. what do you make of that, and could that tell us about a possible either defense from these officers or potential that they knew that they were being recorded and were already planting that as a defense, if you will, on the record? >> there's a lot to unpack there, ayman, and i think the easiest way for me to say is to begin by saying, yes to all of the above. this goes back to a topic we discussed earlier, folks need to keep in mind that every major city has a so-called elite unit. i think the league is too

polite of a term. part of what goes on is the aggressive style of policing that they engage in is knowing how to dr. the reports the cover themselves on the back and. keep in mind, i worked in the da office for more than a decade, prompted lots of police officers more than one contacts. any time to do something wrong to you, they will claim that you were doing something wrong to justify their action. anytime to become violent with you, they will claim that you are reaching for their weapon, even when there's no evidence that. i have seen situations where individuals tripped and fell in proximity of police officers, and police officers claim, no, they were going for my gun, when the evidence shows that something is clear to the contrary. to your question about whether or not this is a potential defense, yes, it may be something they claim, down the road at a trial, that does not mean that it's a good defense. that is not a legitimate defense, and it would be damning the even claimed that in the court of law because it's so contrary to the video evidence. keep in mind, when they were saying it, they weren't clear and what the video evidence was at the time. >> not to mention, there was video evidence of him being detained, where he was still being punched, which would undermine the claim that he's reaching for a gun, that kind of reaction. david henderson, it's good to

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the officers who are also black were quickly fired, arrested and charged with second degree murder. but for whatever small progress that may signal, there are still ongoing systemic issues with policing in this country, as we all know, and as the atlantic notes, nichols was still brutally beaten even though officers must have known they were being recorded. efforts to pass police reform at the federal levels, such as the george floyd justice policing act, has solved in congress. it puts the onus not just on state and local officials but on local police departments themselves. but how can the american public count on the? joining me now to discuss this is van turner, attorney and vice president of the ncaa cp not this branch. thank you so much for joining us. i know we've seen this tragedy happen time and time again. i want to start off by asking how you and the community down there are doing, and what you are hearing from your community members? >> they're still outraged, have protests, were upset and disappointed, and it's a gut punch through the city, as i've been saying, the last time

we've had nationwide protests as a result of something tragic, this happened in memphis, was when dr. king was assassinated in 1968 year, so here we are again at the national spotlight, it does not feel good, but we have to work through it and we have to make sure that we are pursuing policies that will and this kind of culture which makes these officers, to think that what they did is policing and correct, because it's not. >> walk us through how the accountability for police in this case differed from the cases we've seen in the past. you think we would have seen the same swiftness in action had the officers been white? >> you know, that's a good question, and i think that still out there.

i would like to think that the leadership in place now would have acted just the same. obviously, these five black officers and the victim was black, so the question is out there, what is the question -- officers were white? i would like to hope that we would have received the same result, swift termination, swift indictment and almost immediate release of the video footage. these are three things which i think have temper down any thought of a violent protests. i would like to think that the same reaction would have happened, had the officers been right. obviously, that's not the case here, but the law should be

applied blindly. it should not respect your color, respect your ethnicity or religion, your gender. the law should be applied blindly, and i would like to think that would've been the case, had officers been white. >> what does this tell us about policing culture in general, how much it upholds already existing systems of oppression, regardless of who the actual police officers are? you mentioned there, black police officers in this case, black police officers also implicated in the killing of freddy gray in baltimore. so it's more about the system, but how does the racism seep into the system and lead to a system of oppression, broadly speaking? >> obviously, there is black lives matter.

black and brown lives matter, and so as attorney crump stated when he was here for one or two press conferences, they determined the facts there is not the race of who's behind the shield, that's blue, the color is blue when we talk about this. what's important is and what is determinative is the race of the victim. here, we see when you're black or brown, you're more likely than not to be treated poorly and unfairly and unjustly under the law, and i think that's what we have to keep in mind, and that's how racism seeps in. that's what we're dealing with. >> sorry, i wanted to squeeze in one more question because i wanted to get your thoughts on the politics of police reform because in the wake of this tragedy you've got president biden calling on congress to bring the george floyd justice and policing act to his desk, and we had a genuine window for meaningful reform when democrats control both the house and senate. that window is probably gone because of a starkly divided congress, and yet you look back at senators joe manchin, kristen sinema, opposing

lifting the filibuster, that would have enabled the george floyd justice and policing act to pass. what do you make of that? where can we realistically go from here on that front? >> we have to keep fighting, as i've stated before, we may not realize the end result of all of our labor, but we must do it. had those folks marching, those freedom fighters watching on the bridge in salma, given up, we would not have the 1965 voting rights act. we had to keep fighting. i know it's a divided congress now, but we still need to demand. power receives nothing without a demand, that was tragic to us. don't we may not realize the change now, our children and grandchildren will realize the change, and they will realize our fight and our struggle that we're having today, so we got to keep fighting, as bleak -- it may not go anywhere for four or five years, but we must keep fighting because we're fighting

for the lives of our children and our grandchildren. guess what, so is this nation, so we must keep fighting, and we must keep pushing for reform. >> amen to that, from your lips to god's ears, and hopefully it will be better for our children and grandchildren. van turner, thank you so much, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll have more from memphis throughout the night, but first, what americans really think about the new house gop majority, that's coming up next. breathe right instantly relieves nighttime nasal congestion. daytime, too. helping you breathe easier for up to 12 hours. breathe right. strip on. ew. gotta get rid of this.

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now instead of putting forward any real policy, mccarthy seems more focused on payback, denying committee seats to several high-profile democratic lawmakers. who would have thought that be so unpopular with the american people? let's turn now to -- msnbc contributor and executive editor for the new yorker. com and molly jong-fast, the house that the fast politics podcast. good to have both of you with us. molly, a start with you. that pulled up voted and -- it has only taken three weeks for the gop led house to run that support into the ground. i can't think of a faster plummeting of a poll for a party just brought it to power. >> it was not a red wave. it was a red dribble. it was about remember they won, four, five seat majority, so it's not a huge mandate, although people are treating it that way. i would say if you look at these midterms, you would see in these swing states, this maga robe did not perform. swing states, kari lake, these kind of candidates did not win. now, kevin mccarthy somehow

thinks, if you look at these committees, 40% of them, he put freedom caucus guys, and the freedom caucus is only 20% of the house, so i do think he's really, letting these freedom caucus guys run wild, and it seems like voters don't like it and will continue to not like it. >> david, on tuesday, mccarthy tonight seats on the house intelligence committee to democratic representatives. eric swalwell and adam schiff, both claimed that they are unfit to serve a panel. it's worth mentioning that bill played key roles in the impeachment of donald trump. -- like george santos, is seems like at least to me, that the house is in complete disarray under mccarthy's leadership. what does it say to you about the way he's running things? >> i just think it shows he is beholden to the heart rate. this is not what interest americans, and in terms of shift and swalwell, it's simply paper, payback to help donald trump or is coming from the wing of the party. as he said, they were both very

involved and the trump investigations, hated by the former president and his supporters, so this is payback. i think it just say losing xiaojie. i think the outcome of the midterms was for moderation, that all these extreme candidates did not fare well. i think there is a lot of fatigue among republicans, with donald trump, but kevin mccarthy, indian, this is about his ambition. kevin mccarthy wanted to become speaker. no way to get there was two apiece to the far-right, and that's what he's done. >> now, molly, you have mccarthy pledging to move

forward on a vote to kick congresswoman ilhan omar off the foreign affairs committee, citing past comments on israel. democrats have now rallied around the congresswoman. a republicans actually making democrats stronger, more united with this move? >> i think republicans are making each other very unhappy, and if you see the rnc meeting that happened this weekend, they were bullying each other. a lot of these rnc donors were getting harassed. so i do think that this republican on republican violence does only help democrats. >> david, what do you think of this partnership, aligns that submerged between marjorie taylor greene and kevin mccarthy. i believe the new york times described it as, quote,

ironclad bond? >> so it's an alliance of convenience, and aligns of ambition. it is extraordinary what margie taylor greene has done. she came in in the past running for office, a qanon supporter, mccarthy dreaded her arrival, great piece of the time to talk about this in detail. overtime, she saw her way to power was setting up this relationship with mccarthy, and overtime, he saw her as this great policy advisor. i want to repeat that, marjorie taylor greene as a key policy adviser to the speaker of the house about what should be the public policy issues, that the republicans address, and it's

both with them about a route to power. we'll see, maybe they're wrong, and this is politics but i just don't think this brand, this extremism, this level of brawling is going to appeal to americans. as the polls show, the republicans who control the house are not addressing what people think are the biggest problems of the country. the economy, inflation, a variety of things. they're talking about the whole debt ceiling and a potential crisis that could create more economic difficulties. i don't see how this works in the long term. >> molly, sources tell nbc news that greene has been angling to beat donald trump's running mate in 2024, to david's point about her jockeying there for power. inside his claim her goal is to rebrand herself as a politician who can really -- establish wing, if there is an establishment wing. i personally don't see an establishment wing anymore in the republican party. is green the united figure that

the right has been waiting for between the extreme right and the heart rate? >> yeah, i mean the jewish space lasers woman is the vp that all democrats long for. the research of this woman from a quick google search is mind-blowing. if trump wants her as vp, i say, go for it, great work, buddy. but trump is already marjorie taylor greene. the idea of having more marjorie taylor greene seems like an understatement. >> i don't think the country has the bandwidth. i greatly appreciate your time and insights, as always. next, a wave of russian missile strikes hit ukraine just days at the u.s. and your pledged to send dozens of tanks. i will speak to lieutenant colonel alexander vin and more. stay tuned. unlock new insights and efficiency-right now. allow monitoring of productivity at remote job sites, with next-generation bandwidth. enable ai cameras that spot factory issues in real time, using next-generation speed. and deliver ultra-capacity 5g coverage that's years ahead of the competition. t-mobile for business has 5g that's ready right now. your heart is the beat of life.

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it is the latest escalation by the kremlin after the u.s. announced plans to send 31 abrams tanks to ukraine this week. the decision marks a major reversal by the white house at the defense secretary argued that it did not make sense to send those thanks. the tanks are complicated to operate and maintain. they're likely not even going to get to ukraine or the battlefield for up to a year, so what changed. three u.s. officials say the decision was made to create political cover for germany and other european nations, opening the door for germany and those countries to send at least 14 of its own tanks to the war zone. germany basically told the u. s. that if you want, you go, i go agreeing to send tanks only if the u.s. commits to tanks as well. the question is, what will this mean for the war that has been raging on for 339 days? joining me now is retired lieutenant general, alexander -- he's the former european director of the national security council. it's good to have you with us. let me get your thoughts on the president's decision here to

send these 31 abrams tanks to ukraine. will it actually make a difference in the war by the time it becomes operational on the battlefield? >> that would be a shame it first to talking about this were a year from now. that would be a another misstep by an administration that, frankly, has a mixed record. a lot of winds but frankly a lot of shortfalls in terms of supporting ukraine to win this war and defeat russia and its efforts to achieve political aims through military force. i think all these things should have been flown in a long time ago. training should have been occurring months ago on the systems, on planes, on everything that ukrainian military needs to liberate its territory's. this is all foreseeable. in fact, i had this exact

conversation with the white house in the days before and after the war they would have to do things that they would think unbelievable, press all sorts of red lines and provide ukraine support. it's taken about a year to get there, but i'm glad that the germans are sending their tanks, and the other european capitals that have leopard two tanks are sending them in much more quickly. that will be a very important ability for ukraine to win. the counter the russian offensive in the coming months and then counterattack. >> let's talk about that for a moment. certainly, you know better than i do, but understand that the u.s. was hesitant to send these tanks because they were essentially afraid that they would see it as an escalation of sorts, given the firepower involved. how concerned are you of that now that the u.s. in germany and other european countries maybe committing thanks to this fight? could the russians pursue this to be an escalation and destruction --

>> i'm not the least bit concerned about sending tanks. i'm not concerned about any capability of the u.s. office. the reason is that the bar for escalation and a confrontation between russia and nato is so impossibly high that putin would not even consider it. he's very bogged down in this war, having a enormous challenges fighting ukraine, really not holding back any capability except weapons of mass destruction. therefore, has no capability to fight a war with nato. providing tanks or any other capability is not going to create an escalatory spiral that gets us into either conversation. what i am concerned about is a long war the stretches out for the course of a year, with putin becoming increasingly fragile, recognizing that he cannot achieve his aims. he will get there but over a longer period of time, in that long period of time, kind of inching and chipping away at the turns, doing what we call incremental escalation. probing, prodding, and that's the kind of spiral that's

really damaging. it's the long war, not a short, sharp ward that we could have realized sometime ago. i think the fact that we are probably heading towards some sort of dangerous point towards the end of this year's turn in crimea and ukraine is starting to attack basically crimea, that's keeping it dangerous, because is stretched out over the course of two years or more. >> help me understand the logic behind efforts for a second. these things could potentially give ukraine much needed momentum. they've also asked for f-16 fighter jets, not clear if they will get that. that will give ukraine much stronger offensive capabilities, not that they will go into russian territory, but even reclaiming occupied territory crimea could be perceived by russia, which is annexed crimea illegally, that it's been under attack in an offensive way, not just in a defensive way in ukraine territory. >> so what are the options for -- i think the fact that ukraine

liberating the majority of its territory, excluding crimea, i think putin has to fight the bullet and the, understanding that the consequences of weapons of mass destruction not only make him completely isolated but potentially trigger a nato response. this is the rhetoric that the administration uses, that would be a game-changer for russia moving in that direction. i think that the prospects of putin taken any actions, anything outside of crimea are very low. crimean self, it would be his credibility on the line, but again, when faced with the decision peter energy are frankly go back to russia, go back to the kremlin and say, what can we do, we are facing all of nato, it was our territory, we'll get it back. he will choose to survive and fight another day. he'll go back, he can survive

this because he has not even started to represses proposition. he still enjoys quite a bit of popularity. i did the fact is, he can go back and establish gulag and put russia -- making sure he preserves his regime. that's essential. engagement with nato is really concrete. >> lieutenant colonel, thank you so much, i greatly appreciate. it does not love ike this war will end anytime soon, i had to say it, as we approach the one year mark, but hopefully, for those innocent lives lost, it will. thank you, sir. next, trump is back on the campaign trail today for the first time since his 2024 come back and it's meant. we'll break down that next. not so smart. (cecily) nah, you're still a genius. but, there is a smarter way to save. (einstein) oh?! (cecily) switch to verizon! for a limited time, get welcome unlimited for just $25/line. (einstein) $25?! (cecily) and it's guaranteed for 3 years! (einstein) brilliant!

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incited an insurrection at the end of his presidency is trying to get himself back in the white house. kicking off his 2024 bid with stops in new hampshire and south carolina. trump did not bring up tyre nichols's death at all. but he

had plenty to say about his usual culture will grievances. we are in south carolina with more. >> eamonn, it was today, more than two and a half months now after announcing his 2024 presidential bid that donald trump went on a campaign trail, making a stop in new hampshire and finishing up this evening here in south carolina inside of the state house here in columbia, alongside the likes of what he's calling his leadership team, which includes governor henry mcmaster as well as senator lindsey graham. of course, there are two other potential republican presidential candidates. the likes of senator tim scott and former governor nikki haley, who both hill from the state here. but donald trump is trying to lay a foundation here for a bid that runs directly through south carolina. one of their early voting states here. but donald trump was making the case to his smaller crowd that was only here on a myriad of issues. i want to let you hear

about just one of them in which he proposed that it should be parents who directly elect the school principal of their particular school. take a listen. >> if any principle is not getting the job done, the parents should have the right and be able to vote or fire them and select someone else that will do the job properly. >> you heard the former president hit a myriad of other issues from foreign policy to domestic energy policy here. but you did not hear the name tyre nichols mentioned. you did not hear what we have all watched coming out of memphis here over the last 48 hours now. this is a presidential campaign that is now about one year away from the iowa caucuses from taking place here. and there are no questions as to what kind of support is around donald trump and whether anyone else has a shot to get into this race. the likes of kevin mccarthy when the speakership is an ally of donald trump and ronna mcdaniel. our reelection chair has a foundation now as a matter of one of the republicans are going to be in this race ahead. >> all right, thanks for that report. we will turn to florida where governor ron desantis is launching a war on african

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african american history, excuse, me desantis administration is facing backlash after blocking a new advanced placement course on african american studies from being taught in florida high school. florida's department of education is saying that the course violates states law as historically inaccurate and, quote, lacks educational value. and now desantis and co are taking in at higher education. lieutenant governor janet nunes said the florida will be looking to quote, corrupt diversity, equity, and inclusion efforts at state colleges and universities. nunez had no problem leaning into the fearmongering calling so-called will culture one of the biggest threats infiltrating universities. none of this should be surprising after all, desantis and the far-right have made it clear that this is the america they want. one that whitewash is the country's history of systemic racism instead of, you know, actually teaching it and reconciling with it. let's break this down, more with my panel, carla hernandez, president of the united teachers update, the largest

teachers union, former florida congressman and msnbc contributor, david jolly. it is could have both of you with us. i will start with you, because the red always accuses democrats of wanting to erase history when it comes to removing confederate statues from public parks. but how is this not an example of a racing history when they don't want to teach african american studies in the classroom? >> this is something that is very frustrating to educators and students alike because what we are seeing is that parents and students only have choice if the choice is what desantis wants. this is very characteristic of authoritarian type of regimes. we know that in 1933, germany began to burn books and we are seeing that he is just on an all-out culture war trying to, you know, reject african american studies. he is trying to ban books. he is censoring teachers. these are all things that, you know, scare us. because we know that

he is trying to run for president. and this is not representative of what i believe the majority of americans believe. the majority of americans want teachers to be truth tellers. to speak with integrity and honesty. and to teach true history, which means that it has to be accurate. and you know, we see this as an attack, anytime that he says woke, it is anti black, anti african american. anytime he says crt, it is anti-african-american. and anytime they say the ei, it is also anti-african american. >> the thing is, congressman, ap classes are electives. even if you don't like the course, it is an elective. it is not required for every student. it is people who are interested in

the subject matter. and just removing that option for students is troublesome. i mean, did you ever imagine that your former party would descend into blocking an elective african american studies class for being taught in public schools? >> this is a party now that says the quiet part out loud. but this is the most critical thing, eamonn. i'm glad you said it. this is an elective. he is also in the midst of reshaping one of the liberal arts colleges, board of directors, and replacing this pretty diverse liberal arts college with hillsdale college leadership. that is another example of it is a college that florida students can choose. they don't have to go to. and that is a critical thing here. because when ron desantis says that crt, or african american history courses that are electives represent indoctrination, he is lying. he is misleading people. and then you get to the harder questions

of race, a governor who eliminated majority, minority districts. who hired an election police force to arrest ex felons who voted 15 of the 20 he arrested were black. he banned crtc, and he is now banning african american studies. hard questions for the florida governor on race. deserving questions that he will indeed have to answer on the national stage. >> let me play for you the way that right-wing media has been praising desantis's move. listen to fox host, jesse waters, give his take on this debate. >> you get to about 1960 in here. and it is all activism. it is all ideology. it is no history. >> 1960 happened to be in some ways some of the most critical civil rights years of activism in our country. we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the voting rights act, and many other notable civil rights struggles in the 1960s. he got that part right. and he's saying, to david's point, the allowed part, the quiet part out loud, he's upset with that being taught in history. this cannot understand how history works?

>> there are a lot of things that baffled me. when he was on the campaign trail and he gubernatorial debate he actually said that this land was not stolen from native and indigenous people. so i think that he only wants to read certain parts of the history book. obviously, we know how important the 60s was. how important it was to civil rights movement. and how activism helped to shape the rights that were afforded to people that have been neglected for so many years. so for him to say that these are not important parts, and we do not want to teach that, this is not accurate. we have to teach accurate, and the whole history. that means that we have to talk about movements as well, and how those movements helped to shape where we are, what we are doing, and how we become better. because at the

end of the day that is what we want to teach. we want to teach our kids what we have done in the past, how that has shaped the country, and how we move to make it better. so, it is a shame that a leader of a state would try to erase peoples history and would try to diminish things that were hard fought for. you know, again, that he is weaponizing the florida department of education, weaponizing teachers, criminalizing teachers, and teachers are now covering their libraries. their classroom libraries because they are scared of what is going to happen. that is not the america that we know and that is not what we should see in the state of florida. >> all right, congressman david jolly and carla hernandez, thank you so much, i am sure we are going to be having this conversation in the weeks and months to come, as it does not seem like it is going away anytime soon. just a quick programming note for you, be sure to mark your calendars, we are officially six months out from the start of the fifa women's world cup. this july, the u. s. women's national team will head to australia and new zealand is looking to defend their status as well as champions for the first time in a row. we will be watching that. the world cup begins july 20th on peacock. coming up on the second hour of ayman, we are going to have an update from memphis with the latest on tyre nichols protests, plus i will ask congresswoman maxine waters what happens and the prospects for a police reform