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at this place shutdown so-called scorpion unit whose members included arbiters charged in the death of tyre nichols. is this a move in the right direction? plus -- donald trump hits the campaign trail for the first time since announcing his 2024 presidential bid. he says he is more committed than ever. will republican voters be just as committed to him? later, backlash continues to grow against ron desantis for his decision to block courts on african american studies. some students are ready to take it to the courts. all of that and more is coming up. a good sunday morning to you. i'm katie thing. thanks for starting your day with us. there's new fallout in some major changes at the memphis police department after friday nights like the videos showed

five former officers beating, kicking, tasing and pepper spraying tyre nichols, who died just a few days ago. the department has permanently deactivated what it called its scorpion unit. that included all of those officers we saw on video that were involved and tyre nichols murder. ex officers now face several criminal charges. officers on friday -- were people took to the streets, protesting the brutality they saw on the graphic videos. those protests were [inaudible] we will begin today show with msnbc correspondent, she is live in memphis. antonio, good morning. what has been the communities reaction to the police permanently deactivating that scorpion unit? >> good morning. as that news came down yesterday, protesters would gather ridden downtown, right in front of the shelby county administration building. this is the win for them. this is part of what they've

been demanding. when i spoke to people individually, they said it's not gonna be enough. they want to see this unit expanded, unit to be investigated. they want to understand the nature about what the officers involved in the scorpion unit were expected to do for the city. also, they want to know more about what is going to happen to the department, these officers. they want convictions. frankly, they want to see an overhaul of reform of the policing culture here in memphis. many protesters, [inaudible] take a listen to some of what terry's mother shared on politics yesterday. >> they just brought disgrace to themselves. you know, i'm not an evil person. my son is not an evil person. forget these people. pray for their families. their families didn't deserve any of this either. they just brought disgrace to

everyone. >> and that hurt, that anger, has been channeled into priests full protests and people meeting and greeting together. i'm in front of the church where terry nichols service this on wednesday this coming week. people here expected to come to church this morning. the pastor here is preparing a sermon that is going to be about accountability, about reform. that is the families message. the message peaceful protesters are trying to push forward. the scorpion unit, the real nature that unit, is going to be a major part of what this looks like for people on the ground. kitty? >> antonia hilton, i want to thank you for continuing coverage on this. you are in the midst of that community. i know it's pretty overwhelming to be part of it. i thank you for sharing all this information for us this morning. one aspect of the story i

cannot stop thinking about? what about those other officers? the ones that later responded to the scene and did absolutely nothing to help tyre nichols. what can happen to add real accountability into police culture? coming up, i will put that question to tennessee lawmaker that says she is on a mission to do just that. now, we're gonna ship to the 2024 presidential race. donald trump's attempts to kick his campaign into gear. former president making stops in new hampshire and south carolina. speaking to smaller crowds as compared to his usual caucus rallies. it comes at a time when a series of recent polls show trump losing support of to florida governor ron desantis, who has yet to even announce he is going for president. from our analysts, we turn to nbc news correspondent vaughn pillar, who is live in columbia, south carolina. vaughn, my friend, give us the latest. >> good morning, kitty. we're gonna have a timeline

here, if i may. this is over the rnc meeting where they were talking about the republican presidential primary debates. we are six or seven months away from when that will be held. for donald trump, it's kicking its up on the republican side. first campaign stop since he announced his bid. he was first in new hampshire. stopping at the gop's annual meeting there. before coming up here to south carolina where he was outside the south carolina state house alongside his leadership team. it included, notably, the likes of the governor of south carolina and their senior senator, lindsey graham. all of this is, of course, while other potential republicans weight on the sidelines. including the likes of the other senator from here, tim sky and the former nikki haley. you saw the folks here, pretty republican activists. donald trump is a very real contender. we're looking a year away from the iowa caucuses. take a listen to what trump

said yesterday. >> we are going to defeat joe biden, defeat joe biden and the radical democrats. under biden, our nation is being destroyed by a selfish radical and poet crept political establishment. they said, he's not doing rallies. he's not campaigning! maybe he has lost that step. we are more angry now and more committed now than i ever was. joe biden has put america on the fast-track to ruin and destruction. we will ensure that he does not receive four more years. ur more years. >> katie, we do not hear the former president talking about tyre nichols or the situation playing. out for donald trump, this is a republican party that he looks to continue to dominate here. as lindsey graham said, he said there are multiple good republican options for the future. in his words, there is only one donald trump. he is making the case here that

voters should go with him again. again, all of this is going to be playing out in the next months ahead. katie? >> vaughn, you continue to not surprise me by telling me that lindsey graham is trying to play both sides on this one. thank, you van hillyard for the latest. i'm not in a speech that we heard from donald trump. i appreciate having. coming up, my panel is here. to talk about trump's lackluster energy. you saw him yourself with that campaign. the republican firebrand who apparently is angling to be his running mate. two more mass shootings in america on saturday. including yet another one in the state of california. in los angeles, at least three people were killed and four others were hurt in a shooting at a party. police say they have no information on a shooter. the home where the shooting occurred was a short term rental. this was the fifth -- the fifth mass shooting in california in just this month. and across the country --

in baltimore, four people were shot, including a child. one of the victims was driving when she was hit, crushed her car. it left another child hurt. one man who was shot died. the remainder are in hospitals. according to the gun violence archive, these two incidents bring united states to 44 mass shootings this lone. last year, the country averaged 54 mass shootings every month. now, the man seen and recently released body cam video on the attack on paul pelosi is speaking out publicly for the first time. the suspect called california tv station from jail. nbc news correspondent david griffin has the latest. but first, i'm going to warn you, some of the video you are about to see is graphic and disturbing. >> in a stunning twist -- >> drop the hammer. >> no. >> david, the man in this body

cam video showing the violent october tacked on paul pelosi, former speaker's husband, speaking up for the first time publicly since his arrest. >> are you doing? >> the call happened just hours after releasing this video. nbc news has not been able to independently verify. >> now that you all have seen the body cam footage, even a port message for everyone in america. you're welcome. >> according to ttu, their reporter who had reached out to him months ago from san francisco county jail. at one point, the alleged attacker apologizing or not inflicting more pain. investigators previously said he had other high profile targets. in a police interview police are pretty, depape told investigators he wanted to take former speaker hostage and talk to her. >> if you told the truth, i let her go scot-free. if she lied, i breaker kneecaps. >> since nassib lucy wasn't home, depape sure why he struck

paul instead. >> if you stop me from going after evil, you will take the punishment instead. >> the pep has pleaded not guilty to murder and other charges. >> there's no question that perhaps attorney is reeling from this phone call. candidly, it happens more often than you think. that the client sinks their own case with a phone call from jail. >> on friday, congresswoman pelosi said she will have to watch the video of the attack. >> i won't be making any more statements about this case. as it proceeds. except to, again, thank people for and inform them of paul's progress. >> our thanks to dana griffin for that latest. coming up, from outrage to action. we will talk to tennessee state senator london miller about how she wants to change police culture in her state in the wake of tyre nichols death. plus, backlash is growing after rhonda sanchez blocks an

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major change in memphis in the wake of the death of tyre nichols. the police department has permanently deactivated the scorpion unit. the former officers were a part of. many are calling for even more changes. saturday in memphis state lawmakers gathered to announce they would be pushing for more police reform bills. those bills would address implicit bias training, limit on officers who faced discipline and then transferred to another jurisdiction, and their evaluation of the need to make arrests during traffic stops. >> nervous at a traffic stop, causing you to put on a wooden overcoat, often at some point. never should've happened, okay? we need to look at this very

seriously. to see exactly what we are gonna try to do, policy wise, to maybe change some of that. >> the new york times looked into the history of policing in the city of memphis, specifically looking at the reasons the city have been able to stay out of the national spotlight, up until now. they found several reasons, including less reliance on stop and frisk tourette -- or traffic stops. the city has a long history of black belief cheese. because the city has a high homicide rate, the police have usually had strong support from the public. what changed? where does memphis, and frankly, the united states, go from here? i am honored to welcome to the show this morning a leading voice in this conversation, tennessee state senator london lamar, a state senator and caucus leader. thank you for joining us this morning we need a couch lure of accountability and police accountability that starts with

the officers themselves. officers who are ready to hold their colleagues accountable. you and i both know that blue wall of silence has been around for a long time. it is almost impenetrable. what is the plan to actually make this change happen? >> that is a very, very, good question. first before we began i want to again get my heartfelt condolences to the nichols family. and the family of those officers who were thrown into such a national spotlight under such negative circumstances. but we need to do is hold them accountable. breaking down a culture of police brutality. yes there is that blue wall. so many times we have put rules in place like passing laws in 2019 which requires officers to intervene when they see another officer using excessive force. too many times while we put rules in parameters in place, people still break them. they have not been caught. the problem is, you are right, we do have high trust for our police officers here because we have so many challenges when it comes to crime. regardless of all the progress

we have made in the justice system around putting rules around officers, unfortunately five of them still broke those rules. but i have been suggesting what we tried to do a couple years ago was to suggest all it can wait suggestions around police brutality and how we can hold officers accountable. tennessee implemented two of them. we require the escalation in the duties to intervene as i just mentioned. there are other ways we can break down this culture of police brutality by focusing on introducing the rest of those six pieces of suggestions such as banning chokeholds in strangling. exhausting all alternatives before shooting. make sure you don't shoot moving vehicles. banning the use of force continuum and requiring comprehensive training around police brutality. while we have made progress, i will say that our justice system is still a blueprint to

the nation. these officers were held accountable very swiftly. not at one point did they condone anything that happen. they messed up from the very beginning when they pulled over mr. nichols. but i will tell you is because something is working don't mean it can't be improved. i'm not the only african american woman, one of the few people from memphis on the senate judiciary committee, i have a great opportunity to have a voice for my colleagues, a voice in the governor's office, and a voice in the rest of the states in how we can come together push more the suggestions and take a deep dive into police policy. we can figure out how to get things done. what i will say is, while my faith in the police have been bruised because of the situation, it is not of gone. i still want to come together at the community, he'll, and rebuild our trust in the police. again, memphis has a lot of challenges. we truly need the police to

help us. to join us in our mission to create safer neighborhoods and communities for our citizens here. >> senator, to your point about safer neighborhoods and communities, the scorpion unit was created in 2021 to combat a rise in homicides that were occurring in the city in memphis. what do you say to the residents of that city, your constituents, and how do you bounce this? he want to combat crime. you need people, in terms of law enforcement, on the streets to ensure that these crimes are happening. but we don't need the death of a citizen for and ledge traffic stop to happen. >> absolutely! we do need special initiatives and opportunities to combat crime. memphis has one of the highest homicide rates in the country because of decades of victim based disinvestment from the state, from the federal level. we have had resources strip from our city that has caused an increasing crime.

people are hungry, people need resources. our education has so many challenges. when we create specialize units like this we need higher oversight and making sure we are requiring better comprehensive reporting, as i just suggested. we are not against the police department implementing initiatives to keep our community safe. what we do believe is they need more oversight and they need to be watched very carefully. it is very easy for individuals with a badge to start taking the law into their own hands when they feel like they have a higher level of power. it is a heavy bounds of both. we, the community, need to be more vigilant and watching in engaging with the police department. the police department needs to be more involved in the oversight of these units. and then i think we can start refocusing on keeping our community safe. attacking actual violent crime here in the city of memphis. >> senator, ben crump who's,

one of the family attorneys for the nichols family said race may have played a role in the swiftness and the speed by which the arrest happened in these particular officers. the five accused officers, those we know, thus far, who have been accused, are black. we want to proclaim that this is the blueprint going forward. this being the speed of the arrest. we want to proclaim that this is a blueprint going forward for anytime any officer, black or white, to be held accountable. senator, do you think in any way that the race of the officers that were involved in the death of tyre nichols played a factor in terms of the speed by which the investigation was done by tbi? >> absolutely. first and foremost, justice has no color whether your black or why. breaking the law, taking someone's life into your own hands is wrong. the reason they were held accountable so swiftly is because our system is actually working. because of the policies and the loss that we have in place. they were able to hold them

accountable quickly from the very moment in that video that you saw where they pulled mr. nichols over. they didn't let him know what he was being pulled over for. they used excessive force we have a policy where you're not supposed to chase anyone for a traffic stop. rules in place to keep people safe and hold officers accountable were broken from the very beginning. when they investigating this case the officer had the g.o.a.t. from the very beginning. i will say that looking at the video that there was a white officer involved in the initial stop of tyre nichols. he needs to be investigated, as well. what i will say is we know those five officers were involved in the actual killing of mr. nichols. because they clearly violated police and state policy, they are going to be held accountable immediately. yes other states around the country need to talk to memphis police, look at the policies that we implemented and imitate them so when police brutality goes on in their cities and

their states, they can hold officers accountable more swiftly, as well. it's also contributing to why protesting has been peaceful. our system is working. this is an opportunity for us to keep pressure on the police, on our elected officials, so the thing that we are watching from the crowd. and also what more can we do? we can challenge other states in other cities who are watching us to get on the trend with us and do better. hold your officers accountable. make sure that what happened tyre nichols happens to no one ever again. >> tennessee state senator lamar, all you are looking forward to the work you are able to get done. i thank you for joining us this morning. >> coming up, trump is back on the trail for the first time since his 2024 comeback announcement. can he revive his campaign after a slow start? plus, vp bid for marjorie taylor greene? whether that frightening

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do you guys remember low energy jab? that was the moniker donald trump branded on the former florida governor, jeb bush while they compete with others for the republican nomination in 2016. well, now it seems like we have a low energy donald. here was donald trump yesterday when he tried to kick his third white house run into high gear. >> so, we're here. we start, we begin. i want to thank new hampshire for the warm welcome outside their. we are so far ahead in the polls, both in new hampshire -- one came out this morning. very nice poll, we are way ahead. we had a tremendous period of time. we had a tremendous thing happening just two and a half years ago.

>> king of the monotone. despite trump saying he is leading in the polls the reality is so far he is the only republican who has even announced a run for president. trump's fourth lethargic campaign stops of the 24 race come as sources are telling nbc news that marjorie taylor greene is angling to be his vice president. the maga conspiracy theorists slash insurrectionist, slash election denier, reportedly sees herself as someone who can bridge the divide between the parties far-right hard-liners and it's, quote, establishment wing. joining me now is our sunday morning power political panel. cristobal alex a former political by the biden campaign. brendan buck is a former comms adviser to republican speaker, paul ryan. both are msnbc political analyst. gentlemen, thank you for joining me this morning. brandon, i would like to start with you. what is your opinion on the marjorie taylor greene, and her

angling to be trump's vp, personally, for me, my opinion it only sounds like a match made in hell. let's be frank, both her and donald trump really favor well with grassroots supporters. you and i both know that that often carry somebody past the finish line. >> sure. i think it is notable that marjorie taylor greene's voting herself for vp, it is not donald trump. let's take it with a grain of salt. look, when you are picking a vp, the first thing you're supposed to do is say, is this person ready to be president if something were to happen to me? i think we all agree that that is a scary notion. perhaps on the trump isn't thinking about those things. perhaps he is thinking about it from a purely political lens. i have to think that even donald trump would recognize that marjorie taylor greene is not adding a whole lot to ticket. as you said, she fires up the exact same people that donald trump fires up. the other thing you want to make sure you do with a vp pick is, do no harm. i totally thinks this is a situation where she could do a whole heck of a lot of harm. donald trump has been struggling so much in places

like the suburbs. the suburbs of georgia, for example, not far from where marjorie taylor greene is extremely unpopular. this would be a bit of a disastrous pick to do it. i think donald trump is monitoring lies that she is bad news. i don't think that this is the real threat. but, at this point, i don't know that we can really say anything is impossible in donald trump's republican party. >> i was gonna say, in a post trump administration world anything, i think, is scarily possible. cristobal, in your experience how important is it to voters who the opposition vp pick is, especially if we have an incumbent like president biden deciding to run again? we saw a big push when biden picked kamala harris for that coveted spot. >> great to be with you as always. i think it is incredibly important to you choose to be running mate. as brenda said it's a signal to the country on whether you are ready to govern. and in case something happens, for the vice presidents step into your shoes. incredibly important.

also, on the campaign trail it's very important. you need to reach your base, if possible bring over the swing voters. and t.j., just a few years ago, was viewed as a pariah on both sides of the aisle. now she is one of the most powerful republicans in the country. the house decided to strip her of her -- for inciting violence. even mccarthy condemn terror. to put that into context, george santos is now prior than she is. fast forward she was critical to getting mccarthy his speakership. her party is real. she is also cookie, right? an election denier. she is as maga as maga gets. she is an extremist. she is potentially perfect for a trump to get. >> brandon, is there a magic moment in this run up to a presidential race when we might expect other republicans like ron desantis, mike pompeo, or

others, but those are just a few examples. is there a magic moment when they potentially jump into the field? >> typically it's around springs that we are far from it. donald trump announced very early november last year was extremely early. there could've been a couple things going on there. one potentially trying to stave off some investigations. that clearly did not work. the other was to try to freeze the field a little bit maybe that has worked a bit. you certainly could see some other competitor circling. trump's poll numbers are slipping a little bit. he is still, i think, the favorite. who i chose as the most likely republican nominee is i think it still donald trump and then people tried to write them off a little bit and it's a little too early for that. i will say that it is no small thing to run for president. certainly no small thing to run for president against donald trump. you know he's gonna come after you, come swinging. we had 16 people up against him

in 2016 and he took them all down. a lot of people have to be thinking is now the moment? is it worth? it can actually beat him? i think he certainly beatable but it's not so easy to pull that trigger and jump in unless you think you can actually pull it off? >> brandon i would push back for a second though. 2016 donald trump is not a 2023 donald trump, right? you have indictments maybe. he will do it from jail. you never know. cristobal, another political news navigator research a liberal polling form conducted three focus groups with independent voters. independent voters this month in virginia texas and with johnson. those they talked to were deeply displeased with biden's performance so far but we're also very skeptical of republican priorities specifically the gop plans to investigate hunter biden, for example. how important is it that both parties speak to the independent voters to win in 2024? or does it always just boil down to the base?

>> both so as any presidential candidate runs they need to do two things. they need to make sure that their base is solid. gotta speak to them, connect with them, they have got to get into those communities. they have to make sure they're pushing policies that reflect those communities. also when you are looking at a presidential campaign there are only a few states where the margins the differences is made. that is where you have to reach these independent voters, or swing voters. one thing you can truly count on with these republican's overreach. as other committee chairmen the oversight gop chairman how exciting the oversight committee would be bowling over the cost and others. to me that is a very scary situation. that is really gonna be the least credible committee but there sure will be fireworks. what it does is distracts in some ways from the republicans own problems. they're crazy idea around a

minimum sales tax among other things. instead of doing what the voters want which is finding ways to lower prices, strengthen our economy, lower health care, things of that nature. unfortunately we won't see that out of the house this year. >> i want to thank cristobal, alex, and brandon buck our sunday morning political power. our both you gentlemen, thank you for sharing your analysis. coming up, never before heard recordings emerging from a murder mystery case that gripped the country. we have new details from the trial of south carolina attorney, alex murdoch. that is next. >> hey, man. nice pace! clearly, you're a safe driver. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance... ...so you only pay for what you need!

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trial of alex murdoch get back underway in south carolina. it is a case that has mystified americans for years now. last weekend at the jury saw a video of murdoch just after he reported that his wife and son have been killed. here is katie back. soon after investigators arrive at the crime scene, alex murdoch answers questions inside of a patrol call. murdoch tells police he tells wife and son lying face down and immediately search for signs of live. i think i tried to turn them all over, i. >> did you touch them at all?

>> yeah i did. i touch them both. i tried -- and tried to do as-limited as possible to try to take their pulse, on both of them. >> information now critical to prosecutors. questioning witnesses about the state of murdaugh voting when he arrived. >> how would you describe his hands? >> clean. >> how would you describe his arms? >> clean. >> how would you describe teacher? >> clean. >> if victims were touched, how is there no sign of blood on murdoch? inferring that he may have changed to close. >> those clothes appeared to be fresh? >> they did. >> like they had just come out of the laundrie. >> could be. >> objection, your honor. >> objection noted. >> in the car interview, murdoch is asked about any relation problems in the family. >> any arguments or anything. >> no. >> what was their relationship like? >> wonderful. >> how about yours and maggie's? >> wonderful. >> the happy family dynamic

defense contradict any motive to kill. they say so do murdochs clean clothes at the scene that night. >> he looked like someone had just blown his son head off batter going everywhere? >> again, i can't say that for sure. >> jury members also getting aerial visuals of the 1700 acre property. the separate dog kennel where the bodies were discovered in where murdoch was questioned. >> june 7th, june 8th, alex murdoch a suspect? >> that night everybody was a suspect. >> as soon as next week we expect to hear from murdochs arriving son buster who will take the stand for the defense. >> that was nbc news correspondent, katie back. coming up, classroom culture wars. backlash against iran desantis is bubbling up after his government blocked a new ap african american history course. let's just say, florida students are not taking it lying down. we will dig into that when we

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heating up in florida. on wednesday, the college board is set to release new framework for its advanced placement course and african american history. this comes as rhonda scientist faces mounting backlash for banning the class. his department of education claims it violates a new state education law meant to ensure lessons on race are, quote, not ease to indoctrinate or persuade students to a particular point of view. the topics of alleged concern, pardus antis, including lessons on intersectionality and activism. feminist literary theory and

black queer studies, just to name a few. if florida education department says it welcomes revisions to the course which is still in the pilot stage, although it is unclear if they will ultimately approve them come wednesday. civil rights attorney, ben crump, accused desantis of breaking both the federal and state constitutions by banning the course. he has three students lined up ready to see who. here is one of them, elijah edwards, speaking at a press conference last week. >> i can't believe that this is 2023, america is talking about censoring education. this is america! not a communist nation. i thought here, in this country, we believed in the free exchange of ideas, not the suppression of them. >> joining me on set this morning, carla hernandez, president of the united teachers of dade -- this kid we just heard from, i'm excited for his future, but i am scared. he talks very eloquently about

the fact that this is a free country. it does not stand for the suppression of ideas. what are the teachers thinking when they're faced with the type of stuff that desantis is doing foreign ap african america course? >> that is the factor that everybody is looking at now, you know? teachers want to teach with autonomy and authenticity. they want to be able to teach real and true factual history. we are seeing that they are criminalizing teachers as well. they are doing book bans. teachers can be obtained alive by books that they have in their classrooms. these are really scary moments in the state of florida. you know? we know that there is a massive teacher shortage. over 5000 vacancies in the state. this is only going to exacerbate that. no one wants to go into a profession where they are not supported. we are 48 in the nation in teacher pay. we are seeing how the florida department of education is being weaponized. how teachers are being attacked. this is something that is not

going to be good for the state, good for the state of education in the state of florida. we certainly know that there are parents, students, and teachers alike that are really upset about how this is being whitewashed. how they are taking away content. this is an ap course. it means that kids are at a higher level. they have met the standards. they're trying to get a college credit. i'm excited to see what the ap college board will do on wednesday by the way, this is only a pilot. the teacher who teaching you here at miami-dade public school says that queer theory was not even in the pilot course that she had. i'm not really sure what version they are looking at. i do believe that the college board is going to do what is right. to make sure that this is robust. that this is accurate history. that this is going to give students credit and the opportunity to expand their education. >> excuse me, i wanted to point this out though because i'm glad you brought it up. people who are turning into the

show need understand that the calls boarded a national board. even though this is happening in florida, per rhonda sanchez and the florida board of education, if the college board actually exceeds to what desantis is pressuring them to do, which is to eliminate these components of this ap african american studies, this would actually have a nationwide implication. what is your message to the teachers that aren't in florida? what are you telling them about this? >> if i had a crystal ball i would say that rhonda santas has gotten so much backlash out of this that he's going to try to figure out how to turn this into a victory. like you said, the college board is nationwide. they are going to do what is best. they are not going to allow politics to be infiltrating what the core study is. these are academics. these are people who take their work, their research, to the highest level. they want to ensure that students are getting a proper education. i think it is going to be a robust course. i don't think that they will allow him to persuade them.

it will be interesting. if i had to bet he would try to make it seem like it's something he did. the reality is the college board in these professors have been working on this curriculum and document for many years now. so, whatever version they are going to show everybody or, whatever promotion the talk about it i believe in the smithsonian museum on the first. when they push it out, it is going to be something that has been vetted. that one week of discussion has changed or turned anything else. i believe the college board is going to do what is right. >> you know, carla, in the public school system -- actually edited the private school system. it is not just republicans or democrats independents who have children there. it is a fine line when you have to consider that looking at the curriculum? not just the ap curriculum, but in general, there really shouldn't be politics

interjected into the education of our kids. we just want what is best for them. to your point, you can't whitewash history. you can't pretend that japanese americans aren't in intermix amps. you cannot ignore what has happened to the african-american community. how do you figure out the fine line between making sure that education is achieved and almost having to be forced by desantis to be sensitive to the politics of it? >> we are truthful or. we want to teach with authenticity. we want to teach accurately. we don't want to persuade children in any way. we want them to be critical thinkers. we know that the testing, the standardized testing which has been focused -- not just in the state of florida, but many states, has really limited that critical thinking component. we know that these types of courses where you give students opportunity to not to take honors courses but ap courses, it helps them to think holistically. to delve deep into issues that

are really important. where you have to analyze systems. where you really have to unpack things. teachers are not trying to politicize what is happening. when you see a governor that has endorsed and is focusing on school boards and he is inserting his politics, extremist right-wing politics, that is wrong. teachers have never done that. teachers have always been the experts. we are not even allowed to have books on our library shelves because they are deemed as either unnecessary, or that we are doing something wrong. that is just not the way we have been in the united states. >> a man. carla hernandez president of the united teachers of dade. thank you for being here. we will be right back. ill be right back.

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