of man and woman hours investigating conspiracy theories and alleged cases of voter fraud. what did they come up with? they came up with what they come up with every couple of, years which is a handful of alleged voter fraud cases. we have got to point a and to that kind of effort to suppress the vote. we have to change this into a guinness that protects voters, protects the right to vote, and move pretext or election officials. our secretary of state, ali, believes in the estimates lead toward a third of the top counsel elections officials in arizona have now resigned over the last year. because of death threats and an intimidation environment. and my job is going to be to protect them going into 2024.

>> attorney general, we are always grateful in the show to talk to you and people from arizona. because it is real early right now in arizona. thank you for having the conversation. with us we appreciate. it chris mays is the new attorney general of. arizona we have a interview with the senator, bernie sanders, of vermont. it starts right now. and good. morning it is sunday, you are the. 14th not name in the east and 6 am and they. west are malleability. demonstrations around the country continue yesterday after the memphis police department released footage on friday night of the brutal beating of tyre nichols by five members of its own police force. yesterday, memphis pd also announced that it has permanently deactivated its scorpion units. the departments and the violence group that had been under scrutiny in life nichols death. all five of the police officers who were fired were arrested and charged with second degree murder of nichols. they were members of the

scorpion unit. more on this development in just a moment, going live to nbc's antonia hylton in memphis. these stories of police brutality, especially at the expense of young black man's lives, has become a familiar narrative in america. the death of tyre nichols three days of various, punched begin with a, baton taste and pepper sprayed by five nypd officers is only the latest example of injustice committed by police officers. it is something we have heard before. and crucially, we have been seeing similarities of abuse more often as cameras, police body worn cameras and security cameras in phone cameras become ubiquitous. among the footage of the memphis police department released on friday night was a video from the police officers body worn cameras. we are not going to show it to you again this morning. it is brutal. but it is a startling in close a perspective of the violence as it happened, showing glimpses of nichols face just inches away pressed to the ground calling for his mother. having these videos makes it

much harder to deny the cruelty of what happened. they are also important pieces of evidence in cases of police brutality, now. just a decade ago, body cameras were not a common piece of equipment worn by police officers. it was not until the plea from the family of a victim of a lease turning the body cameras became more central focus in the discussion of police reform. on august, ninth 20, 14 michael brown was fatally shot by police officer darren wilson. we stopped, brown initially, for jaywalking. the conflicting accounts of his death and lack of clear for the edge to corroborate exactly what happened during their encounter led two days of unrest in, ferguson missouri. there were nationwide protesters were demonstrators chanted the now familiar refrain of hands up, don't shoot. a few months, later at the grand jury announced it would not press charges against a police officer who shot michael brown. in response to that, decision brands family issued a statement. saying, quote, we need to work together to fix the system and allow this to. happen joined with us in the our campaign to ensure that

every police officer working the streets in this country wears a body camera. and quote. days, later than president obama announced that he supported the plea. and they lost two years of his presidency, the obama administration dedicated $43 million to more funding for police departments to obtain body worn cameras. it was incremental change with body camera footage playing a crucial role in the years says and helping to push the conversation regarding police reform forward. it falls far short of to comprehensive police reform that would address all the problems. police got renewed serious conversations of there was even managed to pass the george floyd policing act in early 2021 largely along party lines. and never made it to the floor of the senate. that bill will develop police techniques like chokeholds, carotid, rolls and other forms of deadly force. and sought to improve police training including just training against

discriminatory. profiling it would ban so called no knock warrants. encourage more widespread use of body cameras. and qualified immunity which protects police officers from being sued by the. public in light of tyre nichols death, there have been calls for reviving the george floyd justice and policing act, including from president biden himself. >> i spoke to tyreek's mother and express my condolences and told her that i was going to be making the case to the congress to pass the george floyd act. we should get this under control. i can only do so much in the executive order of the federal level. >> joining me now from memphis, tennessee, antonia hylton. antonia, good morning to. you you've been following the story very closely. even i talked last hour. you reminded us that you have been on this because, sadly, for a long time. you covered police violence and police brutality for years and now. and we have, not an almost surprise man for the night when

we saw this a video, that has video occurring in 2023 with police known they were body worn cameras. where they know there are security cameras. when they know the truth will actually come out, and again and again across these countries does things happen. >> well, finally, i think one of the challenges as a reporter is that what you see in, his people talk about reforms. they have a lot of hopes around what things like body cameras will do. and, then we ultimately see that a lot of the patterns in policing on these high-profile incidences, there is a question as to whether or not body worn cameras have made the changes the people who push for them really hope that they was. certainly, people are grateful here on the ground p they've seen the video. people push for the most transparency for the full hour, plus to be released to. folks at the same time, the community raises questions, right? in the conversation with. people when you hear an audio of what the officers are saying,

you can tell in a way that they are aware they are being recorded. there is a discrepancy in many points between what you are hearing the officers described or demand, that tyre, do and what you are seeing. the fear that that is strike in the hearts of residence, not just in memphis but across the country, is that officers have in some ways adjusted. they know they are being recorded. and so they have found ways to communicate or to express their fears, or to construct their narrative as they're being reported. and that has mitigated but what some people hope this technology has provided. i think this is such a stark. case people have been so disturbed by, for example, points in the video where you hear the demand, from your, hands from your hands. but they're holding his arms. it is impossible for tyre to show them his hands. for many people here, but it's such a gross and disturbing example of the narratives that

isn't audio. and the obvious visual evidence that makes it impossible for tyreek to comply. but it is also made them worry. what are officers being trained to do? how might they be circumventing some of the technology that they that would mitigate all of this? and it has left people feeling like some of the reforms that have been successful in implementing across this country just are not enough. they're not doing enough to actually prevent these crises from happening. take a listen to the conversation had with one father here in the city of memphis. >> it's been a difficult time. before they release the video, i am 20 others were calling for peace. but it was very difficult because this is not something that -- is new to. memphis i think right now people are fed up to the point where we need to take action and use all the resources available to make sure this doesn't happen again. and by doing so that means being cognizant of what causes and goes into this. municipal incompetence.

it's linked to institutional racism. even though there were five back police officers. economic impoverishment. so many things lead to situations like this, but it's time for us to bands together to end it. >> almost every women i have spoken to reflects a lot of what you hear there. there is a culture, something deeper here. they want to uproot. and that is why there is so much attention, right now, for, example on the unit that these officers are. in the desire to understand what their mandate. was they standards that may or may not have been applied to them because they were in this elite and specialist task force. i think the other element here, especially in my conversations with black residents, is that you hear people saying, these were five black officers. so it must mess up your narrative about what police violence looks like. what people are saying is we were never marching in the streets and asking for reforms because we did not like white police officers.

it was really never about. that it was about the culture of policing in the nature of policing and what that is doing to black people. bachmann and women. let's not forget stories like breonna taylor's. let's go to some folks in the way it is almost helpful that these officers are black. because it allows them to zero in on when people join these police departments, what are they being trained to do? what mindset do they take long? i do view people from different neighborhoods and communities in the areas in which they serve. and ultimately, they're hoping that what comes out of this is a focus on the reforms that would actually work. let's have a conversation that is somewhat into black versus. why and something that is more deeply about what policing has become in this country, ali. >> a lot of the question came up when the officers were arrested. black police. what is this story? about police brutality and

police culture. antonia, thank you for your great reporting on. this antonio hilton is live for us in memphis. villages, they hear from shelby county district attorney stephen mulroy. his office brought the charges against the police officers in tyrese case. today at noon here on msnbc with my colleague ali alex with. coming, up it's been well over a decade since there's been a federal minimum wage increase. if you have a calculator, that is $7.25 an hour. multiply that before the hours a week. and figure out what's that. is even with a major jump in, inflation and an increase in the cost of living, still 7:25 an hour. bernie sanders, independent senator of vermont. plus, what is behind the anti-democratic anti--- agenda of the gop. we'll talk about that next on velshi. velshi u about the greatest roster ever assembled. the monster, the outlaw... and you can't forget about the boss. sometimes- you just want to eat your heroes. the subway series.

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this is among the last words are shared by tyre nichols on january 7th. the fact that a traffic stop could lead to the beaten to death by hands of police. here we are as a nation, grappling with yet another senseless police killing. something to which we have become tragically habituated. black americans in particular are shot and killed by police that are grossly disproportionate rate. more than twice the rate of white americans. tyre nichols leaves behind a four-year-old son. those who knew the 20 nine-year-old described him as a creative spirit who loved photography and skateboarding. and facts, when his killer stopped him on that night, his family says he had just returned from photographing to tennessee sunset at a nearby park. on his photography website, tyre wrote my vision is to bring my viewers deep into what i am seen. through my, and through my lens. people have a story to tell. i hope to --

tyre was alone the night he was brutally beaten. we've all bear wood nick to his death at the hands of police, with the release of the body cam footage. with police fist bumping each other while he was probably against a squad car nearby. in just the past months, 101,110 people have been shot and killed by police. according to a tracker, since 2015, what they began collecting data, 8166 civilians have lost their lives to police violence. the shocking numbers show a police force at war with their fellow citizens. let's remember some of the many lives lost in recent years against police. and february 2nd, 2022, a mere lock was shot and killed in his home after minneapolis police -- had a no-knock search warrant. they were looking for locks cousin. shortly before he was killed,

amir had filed papers to start a music business. he was moving to dallas to start a career as a pop artist. on may 25th, 2020, george floyd died after police officers knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes. before passing, and he begged police to release him, saying i can't breathe. he was known as a gentle giants, he works several jobs to support six-year-old daughter. breonna taylor was shot and killed in her own apartment after police barged and looking for her ex boyfriend. she had just finished working for overnight shifts at the hospital where she worked as a new york technician, she hoped to eventually become. nurse fort worth police shot and killed 28-year-old touch diana jefferson and her own home, and front of her nephew who she was babysitting. officers have arrived, aroma concerned neighbor requested a wellness check, when he noticed her front door was open. jefferson love playing video games with her nephew.

she was a premed major, who aspire to one day be a medicine. not august 24th, 2019, elijah mcclain was walking home from a convenience store where he was confronted by three police officers and aurora, colorado, after somebody called 9-1-1. i after a brief exchange, they play him in a chokehold. wallen handcuffs, he was subjected with ketamine, causing him to suffer a heart attack. he was was a massage therapist, he taught himself to play the violin. his colleagues remembered a time when someone and the office tried to kill a fly, and he saved it. elijah cup the fly and a cop, and released it outside. he told his colleagues, every life matters. matters there's the philly, the monster, the boss. if i hadn't seen it in person,

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year since we had our inaugural meeting of the velshi banned book club. the book club was born out of a reaction, shock, in response to the removal of so many books. a year later, it's something much more. reading these books, understanding the literature, -- the license they have become a form of resistance unto itself, our very first meeting was with award-winning author, nicole hannah zone, who embodied reading and writing as resistance. nicole is the author of the 16 19 project, a crucial book that refrains the way our nation views slavery, and as a result, our country's very history. needless to say, it has been targeted for a relentless ban. i asked nicole, why we should read books that challenge us and that scare us. listen to what she told me. >> the role of an education, the role of beaten member of a multi racial society is to expand our understanding of our world. not to simply have an education

that affirms what we already know, that affirms our worldview, but one that's challenging. when i think about this idea that we should never -- things and make them uncomfortable, the books that have been most transformative for me are the books that have been deeply unsettling. >> unsurprisingly, i agree with nicole. i'm sure most members of the velshi banned book club do as well. the bucks out of shape to a message analysts, as a friend, as a person, have been the hard rates. the bucks to take a few weeks to swallow little by little, including books and authors that we've covered on the velshi banned book club. tony morrison, william shakespeare, modern classics and palms. nikole hannah-jones, joins me again next saturday at 8 am eastern to mark the first anniversary of the velshi banned book club. coming up next, senator bernie sanders of vermont, a new chairman of the health education and pension committee. we'll talk about raising the fan -- and social security. al security.

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federal minimum wage had in this country was increase. since 2009, the minimum wage in america has been $7.25 an hour. many calls to increase the federal minimum wage has gone unanswered, but some are

stepping up. the latest is walmart. starting in early march, walmart is raising its minimum wage for store employees to $14 an hour, up from 12. that's a roughly 17% jump in wages. the company's decision will push hourly wages to over $17.50. that means over 300,000 employees will get a raise representing 21% of walmart's 1.6 million employees in the united states. remember, walmart is the largest private employer in the country. in his no published on the company website, the ceo, john volker, said that he is focused on investing and employees through higher wages, and new opportunities to prove their careers. this comes as the u.s. job market remains tight, with an unemployment rate of 3.5% in december. joining me now is the senator, bernie sanders, a vermont. the new chairman of the senate health and education labor, and pensions committee. he's a major proponent, always has been, of raising the phantom wage. he's the author of a new book,

it's okay to be angry about capitalism, which comes out next. speak good to see you again, things we with us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> you've been making the argument, as have many people, for a legislative fix. for the federal minimum wage to actually be higher than it is. for better or for wars, the tight labor market has caused this to happen among some of the country's major employees. are you okay with the markets have been addressed some of the things that you are hoping to address legislation? >> the reason that walmart is raising the minimum wage, is you can't find labor in many parts of this country for ten or 12 months in our, of wages the day. so they have done, and their own self interest, hey, we need workers. let's raise this to $14 an hour. that is not enough. a couple years ago, we fought to raise the minimum wage to $15, as a result of inflation, the real dollars, that should be at least $17 right now. here's the bottom line.

you have a 60% for the people in this country living paycheck to paycheck. tens of millions are working pain and starvation wages. it is not too much to ask the wealthiest country on earth, what we have massive and wealth inequality. people who are or -- if you're working 40 hours a week, you're not living in poverty. 14 bucks an hour is nothing to do with. that we've got to raise the minimum wage to a higher level than that. i'll do my best to make sure that happens. another point i want to make, and everyone should notice, and terms of walmart, walmart is owned by the walton family. the wealthiest family in america. you've got a lot of their workers, who are earning wages so low they have to go on food stamps, they have to go on medicaid. so in other words, you have the taxpayers of this country subsidizing the wealthiest family in america, instead of pain a living wage. >> let me ask, you because i want to put wages on the screen for a second. the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, if you work full-time, would net you

$15,080 a year. your proposal, your basic minimum proposal here, $15 an hour, still get you 31,200 a year. so for people who are offended by the idea of doubling the minimum wage, people are not running away with a whole lot of money at that point. you're still only earning $30,000 a, year if you earn 50 bucks an hour. >> ali, the price of housing has soared in recent years. the average worker, my god, your pain 1500 dollars a month to put a roof over your head. the price of food got, up you have health care expenses, and so forth. the bottom line, is this is not complicated. you have an economy right now that is doing great. fantastic. for the 1%. how about creating an economy that works for ordinary americans? that means you raise the minimum wage to a living wage. what that is, i don't know. at least 17 bucks an hour. it's going to be a struggle, that's the fight i want to

wage. >> let me ask you about social security. there are concerns amongst members of the new majority in the house that social security trust fund will not be fully funded by 2033. they've cause that, they've caused people to think that means, if you think that you are retiring at that, point you won't get your full payout. that is inaccurate. however, there is an issue with funding and replenishing the trust. when you have a different solution to that in the republicans. >> these guys over in the house, some of them, not all, you think that the solution is -- there are so many seniors, we don't talk about the stuff, you have people who are trying to make it on social security, 15, $18,000 a year. you can't. so the solution is not what some republicans want, to cut social security. the solution is to lift the cap on taxable income coming into the trust fund. right now, you have an insane, really absurd situation. person x makes $10 million a year. person, winemaker the hundred

and 60,000 a year. both contribute this same amount of money into the social security trust funds. if you lift that cap, as our legislation -- at $250, 000, you will have social security sole vents for the next 75 years. that solves the problem entirely, and raises benefits for low income seniors. that's the -- that were waging. and we're going to introduce that legislation this week. >> tell me what that looks like in this house. i know you're not in the house, but we have seen a house where most of the priorities right now, from kevin mccarthy's crew, our investigations. except for the social security matter, which would possibly lead to not raising the debt ceiling, which will lead to possibly a government shutdown, increase borrowing costs. no one's actually working on a fix for this right now. when you say you're going to propose, and how might that actually work, and become -- >> we are working on effects,

absolutely. look, it is true that we should be concerned about the solvency of social security. our legislation says that the wealthiest people in this country are no longer going to get a massive tax price in terms of social security tax fund. we pay our fair square. by the, why there is a lot of support amongst the american people, and in the senate as well. i think that, to answer your question, i think our job in the senate is to poke concrete ideas on the table so the american people say, yeah, we should raise the minimum wage. yeah, we should increase benefits for low income seniors, and improve the solvency of social security. yes we should take on the greed of the pharmaceutical industry, and lower prescription drug costs in this country. he has we should deal with the crisis and childcare. i think if we do our job, people will see the contrast between serious legislating,

and what goes on in the house. >> that contrast, how does it manifest? in other words, does that mean for the next election in 2024? there is a long distance between bernie sanders putting out an idea, and a republican house passing a piece of legislation. you still talk, as you and i often have, for medicare for all. some sort of universal health care. there's a lot of americans who actually supported. there is no road to legislation right. now is a civil building a platform for 2024? >> i'm not so sure. i'm not so sure. i saw a poll, not so long ago, among republicans. just pulled republicans. you know what the major issue that republicans were concerned about? the outrageously high cost of prescription drugs. my republican colleagues understand that. the question is, do they have the guts to take on the power of the pharmaceutical industry, and lower prices in this country the way that they -- >> we saw the answer to that within insulin. for whatever reason, they republican party decided to

take the wrong position on subsidizing insulin for the millions of people who need it. >> yeah, and they did terribly. they did not do as well as expected in the last election. that is what our job is. if you have the overwhelming majority of republicans say, and let's see, pharmaceutical industry makes tens of millions of dollars in profits, and yet we pay, in some cases, ten times more thandrug. that doesn't make sense. we take the case of the american people. i think we put therepublicans on the defensive. by the, way you may have, in terms of social security -- or old friend, donald trump, you recall what he said? a week or two ago, he said republican colleagues, don't touch social security and medicaid. our job is to creates pressure around the -- working class and the middle class. be aggressive. pass that bill in the senate. show the contrast. >> senator, great to see what a sunday morning, i appreciate. i'm used to seeing you it's provence in the background, a candidate that just a background.

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conversation with bernie sanders, we talk a lot about policy on the show, or continuity about it. what donald trump was running for reelection in 2020, his republican party famously did not even bother to write a policy platform. they actually said that trump was the platform. now, after defeating the presidential election, insurrectionists, i can, impeachment in the bears estate in midterm losses, republicans are showing signs of kind, a

sort, a trying to move on from donald trump in election denial. the failed former presidents, who is launching is 2024 presidential bid, isn't it with the gop. he appears to be taking a bid from the book of the key official who tried to replace him. that's how he has come to replace an education plan. however, it's really more of an anti-education plants, barring ideas from rhonda santa's critical race theory hysteria, and picking up his war on the most marginalized populations, gay and trans children. he drops video showed politico, he pledges to cut federal funding for any school or program that includes, quote, critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate's racial, sexual, or political content on our children. and quote. he wants the demand to fire radical educators from their buildings, and cut --

despite educators leaving the profession and drugs. we have a teacher shortage in this country. after emphasizing the importance of not forcing police on children, trump says that there will be a new credential in system to certify teachers who would brace patriotic values, support our way of life, and understand that their job is not to a doctrinal children, but very simply, to educate them. and give kids, quote, the pro america education they deserve. and quote. this comes after governor desantis, of potential 2024 competitor, passed a stop woke act. dubbed by criticize the don't say gay bill, to stop will conduct a nation in schools. he also stopped high schools from having an ap african american studies class. a focus of black history, art, science, and culture. according to desantis, it significantly lacks educational value. this is not a drill.

this is the new republican party. whether trump clings to party over the gop, around desantis picks up the mantle of its fascist leading fever dreams, we have long since learned not to discount the potential of these figures to gain power in this country, and the damage they can inflict if they do gain power in this country. joining me, now erica haines, msnbc contributor and editor of large. celebrating its third birthday. the managing host of roland martin unfiltered, the author of -- how the browning of america's making white people lose their. my these are to migrate friends. glad to have you here. let me start with you, there was some hope of banks's embolden of republicans, fiscal conservatives who like small governments and low minimum wages who maybe once everyone gets over donald trump, the over to the meeting. they'll go back to the sort of conservatism that was fiscal conservatism. that's not where the republican party is going. it's either going to be trump, or this. >> ali, i have to say, the

culture wars, particularly around education are not new run to sanchez. they're not new to former president trump. we've seen after reconstruction, and attempt to kind of re-frame the history of this country by the daughters of the confederacy. to really reframe how the south had a role in slavery, and in, or didn't have a role in slavery. this is nothing new for our country. when you have people who are feeling aggrieved, and want to kind of cast themselves, and cast a different narrative, that puts them in a position of picked applied, they are focused on candidates, but the culture wars are not about logic. they're about tapping into conservatives, some conservative voters baseless fears around race, gender, and around the idea that they are going to lose in a changing america. >> roland, what's your take on it? >> look, i've been saying for about 14 years, there are snow

should've white fear. it is white. the republican party is appealing to white conservative voters. period. that's what this is all about. so they have been driving this idea, and i've been saying since 09, we are living in the age of what i call white minority resistance. even though they pick up the majority of this country to aaron's point, they feel aggrieved. oh my goodness. our values have been taken away. you pull that trump -- that quote up again, what does he say? are america, these pro american values, understand what they're saying. the problem is, too many people in mainstream media don't actually wants to confront the white part of this. i've literally, ali, had black talk show host, national shows, say hey, i can't have you on my show because my white producers

scared of your book title. what's happening, more coming up with other phrases, other terms. what was it in 2016? economic-ing zaidi. no it wasn't. we have to confront exactly what they're saying. they're saying we hate diversity, equity, inclusion. we don't like affirmative action. we don't like anything dealing with race because it is driven by fear. fear actually works. what did he do when he came on the escalator? push the button of fear. it works. that is what desantis knows. he wants to ride that into the white house. >> i think, you landed on something that's really important, erin, this is about our values. when talking to, i got nikole hannah-jones coming back, she was how we kicked off our banned book club last year, that was the fear. nicole had jones told the story, to 19 project told a story about a date in a time that many americans didn't know about. it was just adding to the body of history, the corpus of our history. everybody went nuts.

everyone is -- >> be specific. who went nuts? >> yes, so the hour, erin, is not ours. it is somebody's. >> oh yes, absolutely. you saw conservatives, many white lawmakers who felt threatened by the 16 19 project, which by the way, if that is something that folks are not getting access to that history in the classroom, it's currently on hulu. in documentary form, for six episodes. people will continue to get this knowledge, if they're seeking. at this is somewhat ironic given that there was an attempt to ban the 1619 project of the book, as a piece of pulitzer prize-winning journalism by lawmakers of the state, and even federal level. president trump 1776 project, -- biden issued an executive order shutting down his first week, if not his first day in office.

listen, the reality that the are two racial reckoning's that have been happening parallel to each other in this country, and a racial reckoning among conservatives continues to unfold, especially in what we're seeing around education. it's clear that republicans how are already working to create the climate that they want for 2024, regardless of who their candidate is. you, know much like roland, i've written a version of the same story for several cycles. they go to a racial, sometimes racist playbook, because it works to galvanize a certain second republican voters. you know, who's going to bring the conversation around things like parents rights? what is the medias role in challenging candidates, and what that means. >> that's a good question for us answer on the other side of the break. gotta pay some bills, hold on to both. you erin hayes, bill and martin. what we are back. at we are back

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erin haines, and editor at large of the 19th. as well as roland martin, who we've never had this conversation. no one's ever sandro put roland martin on the show because he says provocative. things is kind of what he does. there's a lot more that you do, because you are -- >> some tv execs of. you haven't. >> more of you for us. that's fine. let's talk about this, let's

say we're right about this. there are republicans out. there they speak to john huntsman's of the, world the mitt romney's of the world. the last cycle, glenn youngkin ran for governor of virginia, right, this was a guy who was a wall street kind of republican, a fiscal conservative. even he leaned into this book benin thing. everyone who wants to win a sub republican now has to decide, this is the world -- i mean, donald trump has pivoted to be more like ron desantis, because this is how it seems to going to win. forget about the consequences for kids, part of the consequences for politics in america, but the republican party is starting to look at redeemable. >> no, they're not. because it's power. they have a 63 majority on supreme court right now, look at the number of federal judges that donald trump appointed as well. in the car what happened in the last election, when they've taken over numerous school boards. in south carolina, they have

taken over ten of the 14 largest school boards, they have inspiring superintendents left and right. there is a very clear strategy that is in play, they are executing. democrats are asleep at the wheel. we also have to understand, this is not just appealing to a white conservative evangelicals. it is appealing to white democrats as well. this notion of whiteness is not only limited to republicans. there are democrats who hear the exact same thing. you have independent voters. the whole vote, they throw this at everything. the stock woke up. it is designed to stir the dissension anchor among people, and draw them to the polls. democrats have to then figure out, how do i create a coalition that is going to bring people to the polls. you have to recognize who your opponent is, and how they're trying to duets. in many cases, democrats are asleep at the wheel, encounter in this. >> erin, when you look at this last midterm election, what you

see is that in many places, the trump election denial stuff didn't work. we saw that in almost every battleground state where election deniers last major statewide office. it did work, for all the talk that we have that the republicans to do that well, they did win the house. they're there. so what happens, what does that last election tell you about that conversation? how does this go forward over the next two years? >> ali, not only do you have some election deniers winning elected office, you also have even in situations where they did not when, you have very close elections. much like the 2020 election, you still have 70 million americans who did vote for former president trump. what that tells you is that this still a very divided, and very polarized political climate, and race and gender in particular remain really powerful, and potent issues in

our politics right now. there is power in the ballot box, there is power and who gets to shape our history. that's why you see efforts to curtail both in this moment, has a means to maintaining and controlling power. >> one thing. you mentioned the nashville elections. i'll keep saying this, democrats wipe the hell out, and the changes that you're seeing, why can ron desantis do what he does? because republicans have the legislature. they are focused on school boards, county races, city races, state races. democrats keep focusing on national. you have to look at all about. >>, i was talking about focus in a michael. brian i remember, you and i talking about this back. then you said, nothing works, and people don't go to the polls locally. in america, a lot of people don't go to the polls locally. you have been sounded that alarm for many years. i appreciate both of you so much, thanks for being with us. erin haines is the editor at large of the 19th, an important publication that you should read.

she's also an msnbc contributor. poland -- is the author of white fear, how the -- has called seen white americans to lose their. might a provocative title, but no one that's ever gonna stop us from bringing you on the shell, old friend. thanks to both of you. that does it for me, thanks for watching velshi. catch me next saturday and sunday morning from eight to 10 am eastern. don't forget, finishes available as a podcast. you can listen to the entire show on the go, anytime. subscribe in the senate for free whenever you get your podcasts, or if you want to see where that. best stay right where you, are the jonathan capehart show starts right now. >> demanding change, more protests over the fatal police beating of tyre nichols as the officers unit is permanently disbanded. so much to discuss. first, with the reverend al sharpton, and later, los angeles mayor, alan bass, the key advocate for police reform. republican revenge. new